If you had to choose between immortality and return by death, which would you choose?
>>143226898
Return by death seems much more useful
>>143226898
that's kinda hard
I guess with return by death I could live out my whole life and die then relive it again a different way. it'd be boring to live through the same time period so many times though.
However with immortality I could live from the beginning to the end and see all that the universe has to offer. But when it ends I'd be left alone in the void of nothingness and would have nothing but the confines of my mind to entertain me.unless it's really true that the universe resets itself or civilization gets to the point where it can time travel
Immortality seem cool
Depends how active I am trying to be.
With my current lifestyle? Immortality, but only if eternal youth as well.
If I was a fictional character then rbd by all means.
If I can choose how much of my memories I retain and what time I can be born into yeah sure return by death ez
>>143226898
Do you have some kind of fix point to return to? Or will you always start at birth? That would be really shit
>>143227195
if you start at birth, school will be easy as shit
>>143227269
I doon#t want to go through all that shit over and over again though
>>143226898
Return by death seems cool because if something goes wrong and somebody you care about dies, you can die and start over to try and fix things. Of course, the catch is >>143227195
Being immortal, you'd be watching everybody else die around you at some point.
>>143226898
Was it rape?
>>143227302
you wouldn't need to,it's like the manga where the NEET was reborn a Shota.
You just use your past life knowledge to make it seem like you're a genius then you'll be allowed to skip grades and stuff.
>>143227302
Then dont. Run away in a lifetime. Go to jail in another. Accuse your parents of bad touch and find a new family. You can vary your life a lot.
>>143226898
i would choose immorality
>>143227195
>>143227302
>harem anime where the MC time loops and romances each heroine individually, one at a time
>>143227269
>in one loop you start talking full sentences as an infant to speed up things even more
>parents go crazy and think you are possesed
Man, this could be so much fun.
>>143227302
After several runs in life you could easily amass so much knowledge that you'd be a triple phd by 10, and have some few billions by 20
Could easily become the next Hitler and do things right for once and gas the kikes race war now for real.
>>143226898
Just let me die and sleep forever. Thank you.
>>143227391
>then the timelines close in upon each other and we see the results
>>143226898
return by death of course: in our world there are countless means of offing oneself painlessly, so it the ability could prove fairly useful if you wish to fix big mistakes.
If you don't have a horde of maniacs after you, living out your days peacefully should be easy enough.
But how is return by death savepoint determined? If I live until I die of old age and return 5 days its pretty useless desu.
>>143226898
immortality
only the weak require the mortal plane
>>143227694
i think its determined by a sense of accomplishment or maybe a future to save, so if you die without anything to live for you die for good.
>>143227851
This is not a lich thread. Abomination be gone
>>143227437
I cant imagine what constant rebirth would do to one's sanity, might just become a living god after amassing so much knowledge and experience
Return by death forces you to live the same general life over and over. It's literally just a worse version of immortality.
Immortality, on the other hand, lets you live through the entirety of time. Considering the laws of reality, time travel has, does, and will exist. Thus, even if the heat death of the universe results in eternal nothingness (worst case, it's more likely that the universe will implode and repeat), you can just time travel back to whenever and keep enjoying life.
Immortality is the objective correct choice.
>>143228017
You act like your brain will allow you to contain all that knowledge.
>>143228360
The brain is material, the mind is not. Memories and Knowledge is eternal.
>>143227949
>tfw you will never have enough power to fully banish me
>>143228495
>Memories and Knowledge is eternal.
t. Neuroscience pro
>>143226898
I just want to **** Ram
>>143227079
There are a few theories, mind you I have no Physics degree and am not working towards once, it's just a hobby of mine to sometimes read up on space stuff.
One is that we live in a multiverse. What this means is that outside our cosmic horizon (the "edge of the universe" where nothing can escape, similar to an event horizon), there is another universe with another cosmic horizon, and so on. Basically, multiple big bangs that created sections of existence that cannot interact with each other.
If this is true then we can assume that big bangs happen all the time in voids, so even after the universe ends there would eventually be another one. Mind you, you'll still have to wait a long time for intelligent life to pop up, and even longer for one you can communicate with (even if you have to learn the language from scratch). Although you may be able to cheat this by giving life the gift of language every time they pop up.
>>143228495
If memories are eternal, where do the images on the hard drive go when you delete them?
>>143228360
The brain has theoretically infinite capacity. Assuming not though, you would just forget all the retarded stuff that doesn't matter like what you ate for dinner 300 years ago, or who that girl's name was 30,000 years ago that you liked at the time.
>>143228668
Even if it is deleted into zeros and ones on a machine, it will always be deep within your subconciousness.
>>143228663
>Although you may be able to cheat this by giving life the gift of language every time they pop up.
Pic related.
>>143228802
And how are memories stored in the subconscious? Life hack:Neurons, their accompanying shapes and varying connections store memories
>>143228775
>The brain has theoretically infinite capacity.
lolno
learn basic information theory, idiot
>>143228949
>theoretical
Name me one person in the history of forever that reached a limit to how much they could remember.
>>143226898
Immortality so I can research alchemy in that fantasy world eventually turning myself into a little girl following Cagliostro's footsteps
If you're immortal you can still be imprisoned or even tortured for eternity.
With the respawn, assuming nobody knows your secret, you could kill yourself as an out to any situation.
>>143228909
It's easier to say than do, literally learn to use the power of the imagination until you can see it very vividly instead of it being cloudy in your mind. Next you want to build a "wonderland", for example a library based on your memories.
>>143228993
theoretical is exactly where we know that it does not have infinite capacity
you literally cannot memorize the structure of your own brain plus extra information
you cannot contain X+N information in X space where X and N are both positive
>>143229071
>You can be imprisoned or tortured for eternity
Anything that could do that would eventually die or collapse.
>>143228909
>>143229173
You have 100 billion neurons. You're telling me that
100,000,000,000! isn't going to give you enough neural connective possibilities for eternity? Again, you can forget useless stuff or stuff that happened a billion years ago that you don't care about anymore.
>>143228993
>absence of proofs is proof of absence!
We have little data about that because we have little data about how information is stored to begin with, yet I'm sure someone tested stuff on people with mental deficits.
>>143226898
Immortality, imagine being reborn and you've already watched all the animes
>>143229194
>You're telling me that 100,000,000,000! isn't going to give you enough neural connective possibilities for eternity?
Yes, I am. For example, you can't memorize your own brain structure inside your own brain, plus any other information. You're an idiot.
>>143229117
I try to do that, but it keeps showing up in the news so it's not funny to do anymore.
Yes, the human visual cortex takes up a huge portion of real estate. It receives the most data and does the most work, after all. Yes, you can even put it to work using memory techniques. It's still brain meat doing brain meat stuff in the end.
>>143226898
Immortality with no hesitation.
>>143226898
Return by death, cause then you could fix any minor mistake you make by just killing yourself.
>>143229256
Why the FUCK would you need to?
AGAIN
FOR THE LAST TIME
SINCE YOU APPARENTLY LACK THE INTELLIGENCE TO GET THIS THROUGH YOUR THICK FUCKING SKULL:
YOU CAN FORGET THINGS.
ONCE YOU GET CLOSE TO YOUR "LIMIT" YOU CAN FORGET USELESS KNOWLEDGE OR OUTDATED INFORMATION OR OBSOLETE INFORMATION.
YOU WILL NEVER FUCKING RUN OUT OF SPACE YOU MORON. FUCK. THIS ISN'T EVEN GETTING INTO EVOLUTION AND ADAPTATION THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY HAPPEN SINCE YOU ARE FUCKING IMMORTAL.
>>143229258
All you materialists piss me off, what the fuck did i just fucking say?
>>143228495
>>143226898
I would rather have return by death, because immortality absolutely blows in the end.
>>143229339
>Why the FUCK would you need to?
You said infinite. It's not infinite.
It's that simple. You don't have to get so pissed off when you say something wrong. What the fuck is wrong with your personality?
>>143229339
You can't choose what to forget you dingus. You'll eventually just start overwriting your own neural pathways with new memories/experiences/skills. You could end up forgetting important shit by accident.
>the brain would go into a kernel panic instead of choosing to forget things it doesn't need anymore
lol
fucking engineering majors think they know psychology.
>>143229359
>materialists
ohboyherewegoagain
Even if the brain is literally infinite in capacity, you can only access information that you can count. The brain is only capable of accessing a countably infinite amount of information.
There are an uncountable number of irrational numbers. Therefore you can't access all irrational numbers, even if you can place them inside your memory through uncountable means.
Even if you wrongly assume that the brain can store infinite information, infinite is not enough. You need to be able to access uncountably infinite pieces of information to know All Knowledge.
>>143229437
>psychology
It's neurology you fucking idiot. Psychology just deals with how human behavior works, has nothing to do with how your brain works.
Is this shit good? It being a LN tells me fuck no but it gets a lot of hype which most often in unwarranted. The idea of the mc dying constantly is funny but from the 1 ep I watched he was being whiny af
>>143229366
So does return by death. Both suck if there's no break condition.
>>143229408
If people can forget their keys on accident, what's to say they can't choose to?
>>143229524
Yeah but at least I couldn't be eternally in pain on a pike.
>>143229533
>what's to say they can't choose to?
the unconscious part of your thought processes?
>>143229592
Eh after a few years on a pike you'd probably zone it out.
>>143229533
Jesus fucking Christ, forgetting your keys isn't actually forgetting. You're brain is just too distracted with other processes that it stops working on other things. Your memories are neural pathways that are etched into your brain, the more you do something or memorize something the stronger the memory becomes. It's like walking through a grassy field, if you walk the same path enough times, the grass will stop growing in those places and create a path.
>>143229482
There is a reason why there are two states of the mind, conciousness and unconciousness/subconciousness. You are trying to completely avoid the subconcious as if you cant access the subconcious which you absolutely can, it just requires alot of time and effort to achieve. Though your instant gratification monkey can't possibly understand that.
>>143229307
That also applies to normal life.
>>143229731
Well I was more referring to fixing the mistakes for yourself, not for others.
I would say immortality.
As long as theirs interesting things in this world, I think i could keep going
>>143229339
>>143229533
Are you for real? Have you never learned a single thing about how the brain functions?
>immortal
>captured and tortured by magical NEGRO forever.
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Is the immortality the kind where you're invincible to everything and you no longer need to eat or drink with eternal youth thrown in?
Because yes if so.
>>143229592
>>143229646
>Not hanging on for years
>Not beating the pain
>Not using the pike to pike your enemies as you search for the man who piked you
>>143226898
Immortality.
What happens when you die of old age using Return by Death? You live an infinite loop of the last day of your life?
>>143226898
My preferred type of immortality is being reborn into a new body after death, but retaining your memories from previous lives.
>>143229820
Yeah but what if you were buried alive?
It would get pretty boring.
>>143226898
is there a manga/anime/ln where a character has this power to be reborn with his previous life memories? Im pretty out of the loop with current airing stuff.
>>143230101
with enough time you could dig yourself out probably.
>>143230169
There is no probably anon, the world is gradually building on top of itself.
It's only a matter of time before you start feeling the pressure from everything above.
>>143230053
*wink*
>>143230114
theres this manga where a fat anime weeb otaku wishes his life was better, gets run over by a truck and gets reborn into your typical fantasy life
>>143230169
This. If you're only six feet under and don't need to breathe you'll get out eventually. Now, being encased in concrete would be something different
>>143226898
Return by death. Immortality isn't much good if you're trapped under concrete for the next 100 years, see what happened to the baddie in Ninja Scroll.
>>143230101
>>143230353
What if you were painfully killed at 00:00AM and you had Return By death?
You'd be caught in a time loop of your own painful death with no way to escape.
>>143230202
I'm pretty sure you could dig yourself out faster than geological strata can pile up.
I mean in the end it depends what kind of immortality you have. But I'm sure you could devise countermeasures for the worst case scenario in any case.
>>143229786
This, I would have school girls from the present and future (assuming I keep my youth)
Immortality is a curse. Besides, what good is eternal life if you don't have eternal youth? Have fun shitting yourself at 1,000 years old because you're unable to move and all you want to do is finally die
>>143230230
Not gonna lie, thats pretty fuking lame; in that case what a great unexplored concept, weird its not being used as the main plot of a series, could even be great as the backstory of the main antagonist of an epic.
>>143230414
>Immortality is a curse.
That's just mortal sour grapes.
Who says you don't have eternal youth? You can come up with monkeys paw shit for either ability.
>>143230414
>>143229813
let us clear up what immortality is.
Users possess an infinite life span, and can shrug off virtually any kind of physical damage. Some users are the defensive type, simply preventing such damage from appearing (invulnerability/protection), while others are the regenerative type, surviving and quickly recovering from anything you throw at them.
So by default, if you are immortal you ALREADY HAVE ETERNAL YOUTH. invicibility or regen abilities may apply
>Immortality
Does it come with eternal youth and a get out of fucked situation card? I don't want to spend years drowning at the bottom of the sea under a rock or something. I think people saying its a curse are more likely right, as if you look at anyone over age 70 and tell me they are still having fun I think you're mad. There's the issue of the mind losing potency but lets just set that the fuck aside.
>Return by Death
Its a shit version of savestates from emulators. You don't choose the save points so its shit.
If you could, you could just save the instant you get it then just reload when you fuck up too hard.
I'm not sure how dying multiple times is going to keep you sane though. More than likely, I think you'll just get so afraid of dying that you'll just not use the ability at all.
>>143230563
>Antagonist is an evil old guy who thinks by gaining immortality he can rule the world from the shadows and form it in his old image
>just ends up aging infinitely and suffering more with each passing year
>>143230624
Thats pretty imbalanced though compared to Return by Death then. Because you are getting basically a body that cannot age or take damage versus a body that can take any amount of damage but you rewind time to a certain point.
Return by Death lets you go back in time INFINITELY, while Immortality lets you go forward infinitely.
Either way you can't get off the train. Thats kind of terrifying.
>>143230656
Look up Tithonius.
>>143230757
That depends. Baccano has the perfect immortality pretty much. You are immortal until you decide you've had enough and have someone else eat you, and they take all of your experience and knowledge.
Of course barring an insane old man eating your friends, but as long as you keep the club small you'd probably be alright.
Both have an exit though, in a way. Eventually your brain would fill up and you'd become an unthinking vegetable.
>>143230656
Immortality has being done to boredom m8, im talking about being reincarnated into another human body while retaining all his memories, creating an effectually inmortal villan who can only been contained in a cell until he dies, and the you have to search around the entire globe to jail it again, but you have no idea how de fuck hes going to look like.
>>143231076
if the setting allows for it trap him in a single point in time, or maybe some singularity like a black hole.
>>143230624
Then I'll take immortality.
>>143231076
That has been done, and they have been killed.
>>143229509
>What the parts of the brain do
what is biological psychology
>How things like memory and learning work in regards to the structure of the brain
what is cognitive psychology
I'll take The Brain for $500, Alex.
>>143229509
You're an idiot.
So, what about choosing return by death and eventually surviving until your natural death?
You die of natural causes but the last save point was just a few days ago and you can't do anything about the causes that led to your death. Rinse and repeat. Lie for a few days in a bed in some old retirement home, die and repeat.
>>143231296
No example no argument.
>>143231142
He need to be hunted down by some sort of order which only purpose is to keep him in check, the story could easy become something like JoJo with a lot of generations passing down the torch, could be cool to see, the viillan could sudoku himself at the last possible moment to screw them over.
>>143232735
>No example no argument.
The picture, doofus. It's literally the plot of Tsukihime.
>>143226898
Return by death. And your previous life is gone.
Immortality is shit.
>>143233192
Enjoy getting caught in an endless loop of passing away at the end of your natural life.
Return by death would have to be way more convenient. Like if you fuck up you just shoot yourself and tadaa I can do it again.
>>143227391
>>143227490
>turns out it was all because of the childhood friend and everybody die
>the end
>>143233192
Is the pain worth it?
>>143233253
You think an eternity of sensory deprivation is living?
Enjoy the end of the earth and then spending the rest of all eternity occasionally being crushed in black-holes and caught up on supernovas.
>>143233624
That's only IF we don't figure out one form or another of interstellar travel before the apocalypse. I have time and a future.
You don't.
> All these RbD patricians
You guys are all right. Don't go to isekai tomorrow.
>>143226898
Where would you return to after each death? A day before? Honestly return by death could assure you keep your loved ones and relationships, but what happens when you're dying of old age and it just puts you back a day each time they pull your life support plug. I dunno.
I'd maybe pick immortality.
>>143228663
This is actually a very interesting situation to consider. Anime with this premise when?
>>143226898
Return by death depending on how the save points work
I'd rather not outlive literally everyone I meet or fall down a chasm and get trapped for a few thousand years
>>143226898
Immortality is the only right choice.
Can I set my own checkpoint, if yes Return by Death wins by a landslide.
>>143229408
Not true, your brain will prioritize the important information. By the time you have to start forgetting those memories, they're so old that they're obsolete and therefore no longer important.
>>143226898
With immortality, the government will eventually catch onto you and make you a test subject or something. With return by death, assuming you remember your previous loops, you can pretty much do whatever the fuck you want.
>>143235364
Not unless you become a hermit and stay low.
Assuming it's absolute immortality, if you pick it, you're retarded. 99.9...% of your time is going to be spent floating in space with absolutely nothing to do. You'll definitely go insane. Return by death will be almost the same thing, except you will be able to inflict self-harm and manipulate your body. You'll also be on earth, where there are an almost infinite amount of outcomes and possibilities. After millions or billions of lives you will have amassed enough knowledge of the universe and human brain that you'll easily be able to build machines or make drugs that'll keep you happy with your current situation every time you die of old age. Both are horrible situations nobody deserves to find themselves in.
>all these people thinking short term
Immortality is a fate I wouldn't wish upon my greatest enemy. Being trapped for all of time is true suffering.
>>143226898
Depends entirely on if I get to control Return by Death. If I can mess around with the save point, probably that. Immortality without some other super powers could suck, as you could end up trapped somewhere and stuck for a long ass time. Plus, the whole eventual death of the universe.
If I can mess with the save point and start my life completely over once I die, then immortality. It would really suck to loop the same 80-90 years after several iterations.
>>143235364
With return by death if you get old enough and die a natural death you will keep doing it and repeat it for eternity.
>>143235587
At least you can keep it fresh. Id rather die than spend 3000 years trapped somewhere, which is highly likely since you are living for all of eternity.
>>143235548
>>143235420
my niggas
It's like people don't realize what an eternity really is. Spending a centillion years drifting through space is kind of a big deal.
>>143226898
Basically you pick return by death and slowly work your way into becoming immortality. And every time you go back, you make things progress even faster than before.
>>143234370
What if you fall down a chasm, end up immobile or unconscious for 24 hours, and wake up just as you get mauled and eaten by a cave bear?
You return, but your save point is during your period of inactivity and so, are powerless to change the outcome. Over and over and over again. For all eternity.
>>143235682
>keep it fresh
Eventually you'll run out of things to do.
Then it's madness.
>>143236736
That depends entirely on how the save point works
In Re:Zero it appears to change as he fulfills his goals and avoids sticking him in an infinite loop
For the purpose of the question i'm assuming you can either choose the save point or it's an unchanging fixed point
>>143236870
>you can either choose the save point
When I was younger, I was playing the first Diablo game. I entered a level and found myself surrounded by a couple dozen death knights. Victory was impossible, so I decided to reload.
I quicksaved.
I had to face the terror of being stuck in an endless loop of certain death, trying each time but unable to change the outcome.
Trust me, time loops are just as dangerous as immortality.
>>143226898
they both suck dick 2bh....either way you're going to live forever or keep reliving the same shit over and over again.
but if i had to choose, probably return by death. imagine being the only one left on a barren earth.... fuck that shit.
>>143226898
I'd choose return by death, because if I chose immortality someone could just capture me and place me in their rape dungeon, were they drill a hole in my stomach and stomach fuck me everyday while my immortality heals the hole making it even more tighter and pleasurable. I'd probably be passed down like some kind of sextoy family heirloom that you poke holes in random places to stick your dick into.
>>143227391
>>143227490
>>143233404
>>143236940
Anyone with any sense would save the moment they get the power and never again
Of course the possibility remains that they've going to die in the next moment, but it's slim enough compared to the certainty of eternal loneliness brought by immortality
>>143237049
As opposed to the certain hell of eternal death at the end of your natural life?
>>143228261
Immortality does not have the functionality of redo. I imagine it would also be fun exploring all the possible outcomes of your life by doing things a little bit differently every time you spawn.
>>143237043
wish I hadn't been spoiled on her since I plan on playing through muv luv soon, that series is fucked
>>143236995
Gee, that's confident of you. I'd think even a chickenshit like you could be pretty dangerous once they got over being afraid of much of anything.
That, or desperate. Yeah, it would hurt if you got punished or failed to escape, but it hurts anyways.
It's hard to keep someone who's bugfuck crazy and wants out. You make one mistake and they murderfuck everyone and leave.
>>143236995
But the same could be done to you if you pick reborn. They just have to make sure you're inescapably immobilized for at least 24 hours before they finally let you die.
>>143227079
Wait. So you would rather take the chance that the universe does reset or that time travel is possible instead of taking the safe choice of living in a world you are already familiar with.
I don't know man. Seems unnecessarily risky to choose immortality. I mean if you get lucky and all those things are possible then yeah immortality pays off. But that's a pretty big gamble that if I lose I'll end up floating around in space until the heat death of the universe ends me.
>>143228949
>brain has infinite capacity
>being this done
Your literal existence proves that the brain has infinite capacity since otherwise you wouldnt be this infinitely retarded. Kill yourself.
>>143237148
What do you think would run out first, all the possible outcomes you could manage in your at most 100-ish years of life, or an eternity of new experiences?
>>143237216
>instead of taking the safe choice of living in a world you are already familiar with.
And what do you do when you've experienced this familiar world millions, billions of times?
How do you stave off brain-boiling insanity?
>>143237216
yes because if I'm banking on the fact that at some point I'd be able to reach god status somehow or find a way to time travel or I could just enter a black hole and see what that does.
>>143237254
>eternity of new experiences
after the earth is desolate you will be the only thing walking the land for millions or billions of years.
if we manage to figure out good space technology/FTL space travel before we're wiped out you might be able to have some fun. that is until you run out fuel and you're stuck in a spaceship in the middle of the galaxy lol
sorry, but immortality sucks if you were to look at it realistically. no matter what you do, you will always end up alone
>>143237390
If you wanna end it all, a black hole's a good solution. Enjoy the end of time.
>>143226898
Return by death
Immortality would be a fucking hell
>>143237322
Wouldn't the same issue happen with immortality?
What would you do once you have tried everything the world has to offer and going on with the same life feels meaningless?
>>143226898
Return by death has limits, as you age, you'll get older and older.
As immortal, you might get fucked by some organization as you become more known.
>>143237425
>after the earth is desolate you will be the only thing walking the land for millions or billions of years.
You're assuming humanity will go extinct before we spread out. I doubt that highly.
>sorry, but immortality sucks if you were to look at it realistically
Immortality at least has the possibility of a good future. Being stuck in a time loop means a certainty of a hellish end.
>>143237460
Travel space, slut
>>143228261
Remember, when the universe ends, when the humanity ends, when earth explodes, you'll be the only one thats left. Being conscious for all eternity would suck.
You'll get to experience heat death and such, but at the same time, live to surpass it for eternity.
>>143237460
I'm banking on leaving this rock before humanity dies out.
What are you banking on? You only have a cosmically small timeframe you can possibly experience or change.
>>143237460
horizons are constantly expanding,I must spread my shitposting to the ends of the universe and all others
Return by death is cooler because it allows you to render the consequences of your actions moot, which allows for a lot of experimentation.
If you an immortal, you might do something that pisses someone off and spend a few decades holed up inside a cave till everyone forgets you existed or in the worst case you spend those decades being tortured in someone's basement.
With return by death you can basically go full psychorapist, experience the most fucked up shit possible and then die and start all over again free of any sort of punishment for your actions.
>>143237506
Then just hop in a black hole. You'll reach the end of time and stop.
>>143237537
Free of punishment, yes, but forever trapped in a slim window of a human life and always risking getting caught in a death loop. And statistically speaking, with enough tries, it's a certainty.
>>143237507
I'm baking in eventually finding a way to become immortal, maybe even develop a way to kill myself if I want to.
Best of both worlds.
>>143236995
doujin when?
>>143226898
>80 years vs 1 million+
Hmm, I may finally finish my backlog.
>>143226898
What sort of immortality are we talking about? "Living forever" immortality or Baccano's immortality?
>>143226898
Eh too many variables.
Immortality: Do I age? Still feel pain? Could I legit become a vegetable that just technically won't ever "die?"
Return by death: Do I get to select my respawn points?
I dunno man, immortality is kinda terrifying if you think about what could go wrong. Imagine getting trapped in a landslide. You're now buried alive, and depending on where you end up more and more earth could just keep piling up on top of you and you could potentially end up trapped until the sun eventually goes supernova. Then what? You're now hurtling through the void of space and will likely continue to do so for millions of years until you eventually collide with some celestial object, and in all likelihood that object is going to be something you don't want to be stuck on/in, like a gas giant or a star. You're now trapped again for who knows how long, and could end up repeating the process over and over.
Fuck that noise.
>>143230353
>>143235548
>>143236082
These guys get it.
Return by Death, as I'm banking on them inventing stuff to seriously slow down aging within the next 100 years/
You could keep resetting until you've got the status to get that stuff as soon as it's out, and potentially live for a long time after that. It's not eternity, but you could end up with some few hundred years or more of possibilities. Plenty to not get bored.
>>143237662
>You're now buried alive, and depending on where you end up more and more earth could just keep piling up on top of you and you could potentially end up trapped until the sun eventually goes supernova.
Imagine falling down a ravine, and falling unconscious for enough time that when you wake up, your "save point" is after you fell down the ravine.
Imagine being stuck in a loop of pain and death, unable to change a thing for all eternity.
>>143237579
Yeah, but with immortality you risk doing something that pisses the wrong people and turns your life into hell for a looong time, even if you eventually will outlive anyone who hates you. Also, every choise you make is permanent, meaning you can't fix things if you seriously fuck up.
Meanwhile, Return by death locks you into a pretty small timeframe, but allows you to explore the posibilities of said timeframe infinitely. You can experience infinites lives, each one different in a certain way, instead of a single, albeit endless, life.
>>143237537
someone talked about the fact that this could happen so conditions to keep you safe would need to automatically come with immortality so that you're on equal footing with return by death
>>143237738
I think in this case we are talking about a Return by Death that has your birth as its fixed save point, just like anons are talking of immortality as the kind in which you regenerate your injuries and shit.
Can I be an eternal loli?
>>143237798
Risk what? Are you fucking with the mafia?
At best you get a 10 year prison sentence for downloading some movie.
>>143237932
Who knows? A lot of people end into pretty fucked up shit without doing anything to deserve it.
What makes you think you won't run into some sort of trouble at some point in your endless life?
If multiverse exists or universe resets eventually, then immortality.
Otherwise I'll take my chances with Return by Death, but only if I get a jealous witch who can intelligently plan my saveslots so that I never get stuck in an infinite loop.
Otherwise fuck both of them and just live this life to its fullest.
After reading all these arguments, would that make reincarnation with memories intact the best outcome? You get to live through different bodies, time periods, circumstances, etc. so it'd be more interesting. You get to keep your knowledge and wisdom, so you're guaranteed to be a God at anything you choose to do. Besides, wouldn't you want to be cute little girls for all of eternity?
>>143237828
If you can't regenerate your injuries, you're not immortal. It's kind of a basic requirement. I mean I suppose you could make it so your cells don't die no matter the state they're in, but that's pointless and you could just destroy your brain to lose consciousness for good.
And even a fixed birth loop sounds hellish. Sure, fun the first few times, but imagine the torment of going through your childhood several million times?
>>143238013
Return by Death doesn't work like that. You are stuck in a single lifetime.
You are talking about something more akin to Roa's reincarnation bullshit, which is pretty much rebirth + immortality.
>>143237427
I'm unsure how a black hole would affect someone who is immortal in the sense that their body is impervious to damage(Such as being compressed to a thin coating on a super dense sphere). What would the impact of a less dense mass existing inside the black hole?
>>143238013
Yes, being able to reincarnate with all your knowledge/memories would be best case scenario. Return by death and Immortality have HUGE flaws
Reincarnation only has the same drawbacks as a regular life but the succeeding lives will keep getting better and better
There are seriously people who wouldn't want eternal life?
>Outlive all of your bullies
>Can carry out all of your loved one's dying wishes
>When you no longer care for interpersonal relations, you can isolate yourself and become an urban legend.
>No one can prove you're immortal so long as you're not retarded and advertise the shit because it's so unbelievable.
Immortality, although hopefully it comes with some sort of data extender for the brain so you could remember stuff from a millennia ago
>>143238184
People's main fear regarding immortality is that you might eventually run out of things to do or enjoy and your life will become empty as shit without you being capable of doing anything to end it.
>>143238244
As long as we can shitpost on the internet, watch anime and play video games I don't see how that could possibly cross your mind.
>>143237427
But i thought we were assuming that an immortal being can't die AT ALL. So you'll be stuck inside a black hole forever...?(we don't know what happens after an object goes through a black hole so idk)
>>143238321
We know time loses all meaning in a black hole. Even if you don't die, you won't experience shit.
>>143238264
when the earth blows up there won't be any electricity anon.
unless you can somehow make a homemade power source when you're drifting through space in your floating hut.
>>143238264
How long do you think those things will be possible?
Immortality means you'll still be around 400 quintillion years from now.
Yeah, humanity will probably develop space travel way before that, but even then eventually there won't be no new things to discover and enjoy, and even if there are there will come a point when they'll all seem the same to you.
After that, the only thing left is to patiently wait for the end of the universe and hope it either kills your or leads into a new and completely different universe being created, because otherwise you are really really fucked.
>>143238315
Or do this I guess, though I don't really know what would happen if an immortal being was swallowed by a black hole.
>>143238244
And you don't think you will run out of things to do in Return from Death? Unable to end it without staring over?
>>143238414
Do you think the universe will run out of new things to show you before you exhaust every possibility in your 80-100 years of human life?
>>143238464
If I get bored I can always do a "rape everyone" run, those never get boring.
I would choose immortality and then focus on developing a way of sending my sould to the past, no matter how long it takes.
>>143238264
I was next for a few months.
You WILL eventually lose the urge to even turn your computer on. I wouldn't have thought it possible, either, but it is.
>>143238398
Don't see how that can be too hard, if you're literally unkillable and you can't even be assed to figure out basic shit you deserve to be bored.
>Shit, I had 3 million years to prepare for the end of the earth
>I didn't pick up any back up generators, batteries, extra PC parts.
>Wow why do bad things always happen to meeeeeee.
>>143238570
Being immortal doesn't make you a NEET so I have no clue what you're even trying to imply.
You're still going to need to make money if you plan to have anything no matter how long you live.
>>143238588
>Anon is such a faggot that he procrastinated till all life on Earth was destroyed.
Not for nothing, but I don't think any of you fags would do anything constructive with immortality given how half of you don't know how you managed to get past high school.
>>143238588
How would those survive the Earth blowing up?
Immortality has the potential to end really horribly. I think return by death is the safer bet, but it all comes down to how the checkpoints get chosen.
>>143238680
>Earth blowing up
Yes, because planets randomly explode without warning.
No one knew about the massive heat spikes or that asteroid, no one could prepare.
So you are a procrastinator?
>>143238666
I would spend centuries shitposting and once humanity dies out I would travel to other planets and introduce imageboards to their culture (if they don't have them already) and then shitpost there.
Also, I'd go around saying that if you haven't been in the website for at least 540 years then you are a fucking newfag and should fuck off.
I'd choose return by death and commit suicide at five years old each time.
>>143238464
If humans never the Solar System, you're spending billions of years in a neutron star. Then you survive heat death. I'd rather not gamble that entropy can be reversed and technology takes us somewhere useful.
>>143238666
I guess being stuck in hell for eternity must really suck for you then, isn't that right Satan?
I'm the kind of guy who prefers replaying a game a bunch of times and trying different possibilities rather than going on and completing it, so I will go with Return by Death.
>>143227302
You can easily skip a few grades or just fuck around since you don't need to pay attention early on as long as you pass tests.
>rape lolis
>kill myself
>see another
>rape her
>repeat
Return by death seems good to me.
Viewing immortality as Baccano immortality but without the out, and RbD as it is in Re;Zero (no control over where checkpoint is set), I'd say immortality. Either way it's going to wind up being endless suffering, either drifting for eternity through a void of heat death, or getting stuck in a loop of your dying moments. But at least with immortality you ultimately have a more varied environment and can utilize amassed information to benefit yourself without having to constantly relive the same experiences.
If you could find a way to induce yourself/be induced into dreamless sleep despite external conditions then you could probably be okay.
>>143233253
if you have that much time you can probably set up your final loop in such a way that gives you the most options to live out your immortality, cause that's basically what it is if that's how you think of it
>>143229173
Data compression.
>>143236796
>eventually
why?
>>143226898
If I can actually choose to die with Return by dead then so be it but if not then immortality I guess
>>143229798
The practical takeaway of all this shit is that the mind is going to fail of an unforeseen fault before the brain ends up full.
It's an evolved structure that only very recently started performing past the century mark; I'm not keen to find out which parts end up with a biological equivalent to "Off by One" at 3 centuries.
>>143236796
still better than immortality
>>143238731
Theoretically, a relativistic asteroid would strike with so much energy, you wouldn't have the time to sense it before you were annihilated.
We live in a world of mystery, and we hope some of these mysteries are never solved, because we will have nano-seconds to acknowledge the ramifications of our misunderstanding of our world.
>>143234346
its called futurama
>>143243832
>relativistic asteroid
Would be destroyed shortly after acceleration. Space might not have a whole lot in it, but at those speeds every single atom counts against you
>>143227269
>being fully aware
>sucking on your mom's tits
Urgh, no. Nononononononono.
>>143244195
But think about it, your mom would be in her twenties
>>143244249
She's still my mom.
>>143244174
This assumes an understanding of the behaviors of relativistic objects beyond current empirical data. While it's very likely it behaves conventionally, we cannot be sure it will appropriately disintegrate, especially when we're positing a natural (or unnatural) phenomenon that is already imparting force sufficient to give a velocity >.1 C on an object.
The purpose of the statement was that it's not a given that we have absolute knowledge of all possible cataclysms. Hell, universal expansion could put some constant of our existence just slightly out of wack and we might just all fall dead, the electricity in our brains no longer behaving properly, the chemistry of our bodies simply stalling.
>>143244280
Would it be better if you were reincarnated into an isekai world?
>Return by Death
>Get a gun for easy exit
>Okay, shit hit the fan again, time for reset
>Shoot self
>Actually don't die
>End up crippled for life
>Can't move or communicate, but remain fully aware
>Finally die 40 years later of some shitty complications
>Last checkpoint was actually in the middle of the hospital years
>Trapped forever
And people think immortality is scary?
>>143244529
>having a checkpoint when crippled and without accomplishing anything
If you want to be fucked here's a better scenario
>Return by Death
>about to get run over by a japanese truck
>Okay, shit hit the fan again, time for reset
>die
>reset
>last checkpoint was the instant before your grille combined with the grille of the japanese truck
>you also had the japanese cold at the time
I've thought of this for a while after reading this thread and have come to the conclusion that they both have something I would only choose depending on the situation
>>Immortality
>I get to see the whole world in its entirety and how the future is like
>Will there be better anime?
>Will my shit finally get translated?
>Will I get a better life in the future?
>Will I get endless amounts of new entertainment or eventually get bored of it?
>Will the whole world end only after a few decades of living?
>Will I live in a shithole after said chaos is finished?
Honestly, immortality seems somewhat scary but also tempting to me
>>Return by Death
>Can reset to death for endless amounts of time
>Can know what will happen next
>Can know how to fix and prevent events from happening
>Can rape anyone and fix it later on
>Can be in an eroge situation and live a healthy peaceful vanilla life with endless amounts of waifu routes
>Can fuck around the world for the sole purpose of fucking around
>Get endless amount of knowledge of the world and make your life the best
>Will maybe get bored of it
>Won't get new entertainment unless you fuck around something in the past
>Will want to die because of boredom and unknown meaning to life but can't because time resets
>Does the world reset or does it crate an infinite amount of multiverses?
>What determines your checkpoint?
>Do you start from when you were first born?
>Can you control your checkpoints?
>Can you reset your checkpoints in order to start all over again or does it saty the same once you've place it?
Honestly, it is even more tempting than Immortality but can also have its defects towards it and be even scarier than immortality
But in the end I guess i'll pick return by Death just for the sole purpose of fucking around with the world
>>143227349
>"there is no degree in your resume anon"
>"I learned everything in a past life"
>"fuck off anon"
>>143229339
That is not what infinite means.
That is "a lot" it is not infinite. Stop misusing words and getting mad at people for telling you you're wrong when you are.
>>143226898
>actually choosing to stick yourself in a time loop
Immortality all the way
>>143226898
Return by death because I can change things with knowlage I would have no other way of having. Also I could easily break the bank with it.
>>143226898
Immortality
>>143238027
Well, I'd say that immortal until killed is still immortal so I wouldn't call regeneration as basic requirement.
>>143238358
Do we really "know" that or just think it be like that?
>>143246458
>"there is no degree in your resume anon"
>"yeah but remember when I helped you with that thing, you owe me"
>"okay bro you're in"
Nepotism.
>>143229482
I can fully comprehend all irrational numbers by storing a generating function for all irational numbers, which is compression.
I'd take return by death on three conditions. #1 my brain can store more info than it should be able to, I mean whats the point of having that much time if you can't remember it. #2 saves work just like they do in Skyrim, so I can set or reset whenever. If I need to die to access a reset that is ok. #3 i get a big fat quit button if I ever am truly done.
I know the point of OPs question was that both options have downsides but the above is what I would want. I'd probably just refuse if I were given OPs choices without any changes.
>>143246458
>"there is no degree in your resume anon"
>"Does it matter? I literally founded this field of science."
>"Oh, right. Sorry sir."
If you have knowledge of the future and decades (if not centuries) of expertise but you're only idea to make money is working for someone else you're a fucking moron.
>>143226898
The latter with the contingency that I have a complete memory reset upon death. Otherwise they're both terrifyingly maddening prospects.
>>143226898
Immortality, easy
Return by death would give me the same shitty environment every time. At least with immortality I could see humanity evolve and experience new inventions.
And shitpost about them on 3d holographic image boards.
>>143254701
Granted, I would expect something as "from this point onward, you're immortal" like pic related. Or at least you'd be born from something at some point of time.
>>143244195
My mom said I hate sucking on her teets when i was a baby and was fed formula instead.
>>143231039
The problem with Baccano's immortality is that one day a single immortal will remain and he won't be able to die.
>>143226898
Immortality if respawning will respawn me if I die from old age.
>>143226898
Neither.
>>143229380
not even the guy youre arguing with byt youre kind of a shit head
>>143226898
What's "Return by death" do?
>immortality
>get captured and kept in a lab by the government
>return by death
>keep watching animu until you die then repeat
Return by Death. Especially if you control the checkpoints. Science is bound advance a lot during my lifetime. When I manage to watch all anime ever released and play every video game, I could steal technology from 50 years in the future and introduce it today. Then steal new technology from that future's 50 years in the future and keep doing it until I manage to cure ageing and find a reliable way to take over the world. It would take a lot of effort but after that it's God Emperor of the Stars time.
>>143226898
Return by Death depends. If it was in Subaru's place, I'd say no. I don't think it's a good thing to be desensitized by death, even if it's badass to be treated on the same level as vets. I don't think you're still the same after dying several times.
If return by death but not in Subaru's perspective or it's not a given that people are out to kill me, I'd be fine. There's a greater chance of me not getting killed horribly. Plus, I can live my life till old age, die, repeat, try another route, die, repeat. I won't go insane with boredom, I have a near infinite number of different combinations.
I'll only choose immortality if return by death isn't what I'm okay with. I can watch as the humans develop technology, and hopefully a path to new worlds and wish fulfillment shit.
>>143226898
I want just to die
>>143262004
It's literally your stock standard video game super power calledload from last autosave
>>143263820
>>keep watching animu until you die then repeat
Repeat what? You're gonna end up watching all the anime eventually, and you'll never see any new anime made past your natural death.
Just hide your immortality or always live somewhere you can easily throw yourself off a cliff if the police comes.
>>143267333
you could make your own anime, or fund it by becoming rich.
Imagine the keitai adaption
immortally becomes boring and watching 100 wives who you loved die over your billon years is so painful. so now I just let death take me, but satin keeps telling me the 7th side is full of violent offenders and hence he has no room for me. then I end up back here.
>>143256350
He just needs to make the panacea again and create another immortal
Immortality also means that you have to live outside society to hide yourself, always buying fake passports off the black market if want to travel from one country to the next and hoping you don't get caught.
>>143269187
Not really just dye your hair white and disappear after you are 60. Then get the fake identify dye your hair back to normal and come back to live another 60 years as a brand new person.
>>143269481
This is gonna get much harder after just a few generations, nothing will be on paper and doctoring an identity will be a lot harder
>choosing immortality
Enjoy being harvested for organs and energy. After all immortality defies thermodynamics so enjoy being eternal source of energy for humans. With your body humans can survive through entropy so thanks for that.
>>143269552
Who knows? Physical shit is always a must even in this age.
Can he die of old age?
