Which one do you prefer?
Live action
>>123429421
Middle.
As if it's a hard choice. Middle forever.
original anime > live action > musicals >>>>> manga > shit >>>> Crystal
Middle
Middle
>>123429612
Why does this make me laugh so much?
>>123429421
Middle, but we have to admit that without the upper one we wouldn't have the middle one.
>>123429968
So much energy and life.
>>123429612
kyoani does it again
Top: Typical shoujo shit
Middle: A more acceptable design
Bottom: What the fuck is that shit?
>>123429544
I like the first style the most. I'd fund Sailor V in something closer to that by myself if I could and Venus is my 5th or 6th favorite.
It's a shame fans post and use overstated shots like that in the middle. The Japanese dvds with noise flying everywhere are more watchable than that.
Waiting to re-watch the third. "I waited 2 weeks for this" really kills things doubly. The music is close to the second's to me but that's about it. I'm basically watching the OP and ED hoping something decent happens in between.
>>123429421
>Using early manga and anime art as examples to compare with Crystal
Stop that.
>>123431857
>I'd fund Sailor V in something closer to that by myself if I could
I would too.
>>123429421
Crystal was/is trash. Middle.
Crystal easily. Only oldfag hipsters like the old anime, but it's extremely outdated, has a shittonne of filler and the characters have manfaces.
Never read the manga, but heard it wasn't as good as the old series, which can't be good.
Crystal has the cleanest art style by far, and the story is told far better than it was 20 years ago.
>>123434234
>Crystal has the cleanest art style by far
>>123429421
middle, with some extra filling
>>123429544The musicals specifically, right?
>>123429968
I'd agree, but with the musicals and toku swapped around.
>>123430370
Because it's better than what we actually got with Crystal.
>>123434234
First line is too lazy. Oldfag is obvious and outdated is outdated. Maybe add some random shots homosexuals, Mamoru, Hotaru, the music, etc.
>>123430370
Probably the forehead.
>>123429421
Elysion Represent, bitches.
>>123436068
>there will never be an anime with the manga's plot combined with the anime's character building
>>123430410
No, we actually don't. Most of the anime was done because the guys at Toei wanted to do it; Naoko was basically roped in to making the manga version of an offshoot of her Sailor V series. Without her, something resembling the SM anime might still have been produced, but without Toei she would have just continued on with Codename:SV and nobody here would be talking about it because it would have remained just a manga that only Japanese girls cared about.
>>123436269
Dude, that's what pretty much everyone was hoping for. We will never get the aprox 26 eps per arc anime adaptation (Dark Kingdom should still get more episodes than the rest of them as it has way more stuff to set up anyway) that combines the best features of all the versions that we almost universally agree would be the ideal.
>>123436269
>there will never be a Sailor V anime
>>123429612
GET OUT.
Nah, just kidding,probably still would've been better than Crystal.
>>123429421
Middle > Top > SHAFT's art > Reboot.
>>123439234
The original anime did that same joke much better.
>>123437290
>they make one
>its Crystal quality
>>123439390
Saint Seiya
>>123429421I haven't seen any of them, but based on the art style I'll saymiddle
>>123439876
>I haven't seen any of them
Underage
>>123439892
No, I just live in a country that hasn't broadcasted any of them.
>>123439933
It's been broadcasted in over 50 different languages.
What kind of shithole country do you live in?
>>123440911
Finland. Actually my previous statement wasn't completely true, we did get it. Too bad it was already year 2002 and the fucking thing was dubbed in Swedish.
The language aside, I was too old to give a fuck about a series made for little girls.
>>123429612
Improved.
>>123429421
Each one has their charm, but I personally prefer the top. I do love the middle because it has the most heart and charm taken from the manga, while deviating from the source material enough to make it unique. The bottom is an attempt to make a call back to that time and honestly does it poorly, but perhaps that was the intention. The director did say it was aimed at the same fanbase who watched the original but have now grown older. It's reaching for nostalgia while presenting itself in a more romantic, yet blander way.
The manga captures what both the original anime and the remake tried to achieve perfectly and is therefore the best for me.
I really hope nobody prefers crystal
>>123442590
When did he become the slender man?
>>123441159
>Not being a little girl at heart
>>123434234
>Crystal has the cleanest art style by far
On the contrary, I think the sterile nature of Crystal is the biggest thing working against it. That and how the character designs are so stiff and uncompromising.
>the story is told far better than it was 20 years ago.
The story maybe, but the supporting senshi have been reduced to archetypes with no real development or unique personality. No one ever watched SM for the story. The endless and varied character interactions were the heart and soul of the franchise.
>>123444891
People who talk about "clean" animation are either worthless plebs or trolls. It seems going off model >>123429968 is now undesirable because it's not graceful or whatever. The irony of this with Crystal is hilarious.
>>123442590
Did TOEI hire some artists from Clamp? That could explain all the QUALITY in Crystal.
>>123444891
>No one ever watched SM for the story.
Ehh. There's really no series with a better plot out there. The characters are an important part of this, but Sailor Moon is basically a cycle of Greek style tragedies, blown up to a large scale. No other anime series does this as well or succeeds at being as epic.
>>123445533
>No other anime series does this as well or succeeds at being as epic.
You need to watch more anime.
The main staying power Sailor Moon has is the characterization and watching for character interactions, that it has to stick to the usual episodic formulae is what makes it nigh unbearable.
>>123445595
I have watched 'more anime'. The episodic formula would almost kill it, but what makes it work is that instead of relying on suspense and "oh no, what if this thing happened *shock*", it is actually enhanced by having dramatic things be set up in ways that you will see coming from miles away.
It is precisely because it gets away from the reliance on the viewer not being able to predict what happens next and instead embraces the gleeful sense of things playing out inevitably, along with its thematic strengths and great direction, that it looses no steam on repeat viewings and is most tragic in the classical sense of the term.
>>123445976
>that it looses no steam on repeat viewings
I'm sorry you really need to watch more anime, I cannot imagine anybody watching Sailor Moon more than once. It has not aged well at all, the overly episodic format weighs on too heavily. And it's not tragic at all.
>>123446047
I'm sorry that you don't even understand Sailor Moon. Explain to me what you do consider to be tragic.
>>123446131
To compare directly with another Mahou Shoujo, Nanoha:Fate's mother in S1 realizing what she had too late.
Explain to me how Sailor Moon is tragic.
And then qualify your powerlevel too when you've done that.
>>123446047
I kind of forget it has a plot at all. I just find the anime extremely funny, which makes it possible to rewatch.
>>123446198
Not that Anon but the example you used is hardly tragic for a MS. If anything, Precia got what she deserved.
>>123447631
>If anything, Precia got what she deserved.
Whether she deserved it or not is unrelated to it being tragic, even for Fate's sake it's just sad that she realized it only at the very end. It would have been a lot less tragic for instance if shediedwithout that realization.
>>123429421
Middle. Always Middle.
>>123447755
It's not unrelated. Tragic would imply that the event is either shocking or unfair. Which her death was neither.
>>123448587
You need to get a better grasp of tragedy, it's not done solely on some scale of what's "right and wrong", losing what you don't realize you have is probably one of the most poignant and well used implement of tragedy.
>>123429612
still better than crystal
>>123429612
Before Crystal aired I used to fear it would turn out like that, but now I think it would actually be an improvement.
>>123434234
>>123451183
Please tell me they at least fix these things in the Blu-ray release.
>>123451183
>this is the fate of digimon tri
>>123444891
>The story maybe, but the supporting senshi have been reduced to archetypes with no real development or unique personality
like in the manga?
Who else is (re)watching this?
>>123445533
Sailor Moon's plot is abysmal. The best thing it ever does in the original anime is be irrelevant and get out of the way of hijinks and character antics.
Crystal is pretty much just the manga faithfully (if poorly) animated, and it's shit.
>>123429421
The second.
All the characters in the new Sailor Moon look like lifeless dolls that barely show any emotion
![[SMC] Sailor Moon R - 051 (R2 DVD 480p H264 AAC)[CE37783F].mkv_snapshot_15.19_[2015.01.25_11.46.07].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vxYDaqv.jpg "[SMC] Sailor Moon R - 051 (R2 DVD 480p H264 AAC)[CE37783F].mkv_snapshot_15.19_[2015.01.25_11.46.07].jpg")
Is there any part of the manga that's actually good? I got up to volume 3 and just couldn't take it anymore. I loved all of the anime.
>>123429421
Middle so good.
>>123453199
Only if you count Sailor V.
>>123453199
I felt more sympathy for Saphir than the main characters.
that should not have happened.
Old anime ver.
>>123448587
>Tragic would imply that the event is either shocking or unfair.
In general an event needs to be either shocking or unfair to be tragic, but even that's not necessarily sufficient.
>>123447755
>Whether she deserved it or not is unrelated to it being tragic
That's not the case. Different tragedies have different degrees to which their characters are 'guilty' of their actions and choices, but characters cannot be completely innocent and responsible for nothing, nor can they be completely at fault in an utterly unsympathetic and unforgivable way. What IS important, and far more crucial to the tragic response, is that you should NOT feel sad for the events of characters. You may very much care for them in terms of feeling compassion towards their character, but the effect should be to induce joy and satisfaction instead of sadness. It is precisely by twisting events.I haven't actually watched Nanoha beyond the first few episodes and I don't care about seinen magical girl shows in general. They all feel completely off character wise compared to actual mahou shoujos and i don't enjoy watching them.
Manga story line without a doubt, but I would've wanted them to keep the original anime's writing/art style and monster of the week formula to stretch it out, and flesh out the supporting sailor scouts.
>>123439892
I'm not underaged and I didn't watch Sailor Moon until recently.
It was annoying to get all 5 seasons but it was worth it.
BDs when? You would think a series this popular would have BDs. Every show is getting them nowadays.
>>123429421
Middle. The original anime series, I love it to be bits and I only recently got into Sailor Moon last year.
Why the fuck does Crystal look so god damn bad? Not even talking about the art style, which yeah, whatever, but the animation is fucking ass.
>>123445533
>Sailor Moon is basically a cycle of Greek style tragedies
Well that would be why the story is shit.
>>123452778
>>123453199
Why are you watching that pink SMC release?
>>123451492
They did.
>>123458773
It's better than the washed out ADV and Pioneer DVDs and the brown Viz remaster.Somebody just slap the subs and the dub track onto the bunny hat raws already.
>>123461172
Wasn't there someone doing that?
>>123429421
Fucking Middle OP. Top is OK, but Middle is where it's at.
>>123451133
That skull is pretty moe.But seriously, complaining about incorrect anatomy in anime is stupid. The problem is that it LOOKS retarded not that it's anatomically wrong
>>123442587
>>123429612
kyoani finds a way
>>123429544
>>123455982
Possibly later this year. I think I remember hearing an announcement that they were planning to reair the original TV series in Japan in April.
>>123467427
I heard that Crystal would air on TV too.
>>123429421I STILL HAVE NOT WATCHED PAST EPISODE ONE!!
>>123465039
>Sailor Marisa
Would watch, fund it, shut up and take my money, ect.
>>123434234
>Only oldfag hipsters like the old anime, but it's extremely outdated, has a shittonne of filler and the characters have manfaces.
I'll bite
You've probably never watched older series when you got old enough to judge it properly, otherwise you would know that "filler" episodes in Sailor Moon are neatly done and don't feel like a filler, art became very good season 3 onwards, and there are no manfaces whatsoever.
>>123454872
>You may very much care for them in terms of feeling compassion towards their character, but the effect should be to induce joy and satisfaction instead of sadness.
I don't even. Are you trying to say that we shouldn't feel sad for her because she might have been slightly deserving of what happened?
>I haven't actually watched Nanoha beyond the first few episodes
Maybe you should then before arguing this, she realized that she had something truly precious only at the very end.
>>123469544
>Are you trying to say that we shouldn't feel sad for her because she might have been slightly deserving of what happened?
In general, or in reference to the specific example I believe you've given? No. I'm certainly not saying you should suspend your sympathetic response in order to instead be satisfied with the idea that someone 'really just deserved it', even for forgivable actions, quite the opposite really. It's just that, specifically, to fully appreciate tragic drama you need to be aware of the various ways a character may be both justified and unjustified in their actions and to see them both as deserving genuine sympathy and, simultaneously, blame, though it's up to the observer as to specifically how they ultimately view and judge the actions.
The whole point of this is to embrace a deep sense of joy and energy, not at the idea that a character got their just desserts, but because a feeling of mutual, unconditional compassion and simultaneous horror at the inherent terror of their decisions, in realizing how morally twisted the events are. In a tragedy (which your example may or may not be), these feelings should overwhelm and overcome any feelings of sadness that might occur otherwise. There need not even be any 'bad' ending as long as these feelings are inspired.
>>123470664
>The whole point of this is to embrace a deep sense of joy and energy
For tragedy? What the fuck are you even trying to say.
>>123429421
It's a tie between the manga and the original anime for me, mostly because there are different aspects to each style I enjoy. On some level, I hoped Crystal would be a better mix of older versions - follow the manga more closely but still putting in a bit of padding to better develop the characters.
Somehow they sucked the humor out of both the manga and the first anime. Bums me out.
>>123469136
>piss yellow subs
How was this ever considered a good idea? I used to watch stuff with yellow subtitles too, but they make my eyes bleed now.
>>123470851
Yes. I'm pointing out what dramatists and philosophers have generally agreed is the goal of tragic drama for the past few millenia of western civilization. The modern English idea of tragedy as a really sad event is the new and strange one.
![[SMC] Sailor Moon S 94(R2 DVD.H264.AAC)[55A261A7].mkv_snapshot_12.54_[2014.05.21_18.48.18].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8SINmiK.jpg "[SMC] Sailor Moon S 94(R2 DVD.H264.AAC)[55A261A7].mkv_snapshot_12.54_[2014.05.21_18.48.18].jpg")
Is there any implied yuri in Crystal?
>>123472283
>tragedy
>a deep sense of joy and energy
I really don't get where you get this from.
>>123451133
>>123464734
I really hate it when people draw these things for anime characters.
how can anyone choose anything but the original anime.
It was the first anime I've ever seen back in 1995.
I was a huge fan of it, in love with Usagi (as a 6yearold) and rewatched it all in 2010. Maybe I have to do it again.
Greatest MS ever.
>>123473192
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Birth_of_Tragedy
http://archive.org/stream/thebirthoftraged00nietuoft/thebirthoftraged00nietuoft_djvu.txt
"There is a misconception of tragedy with which I have been struck in review after review, and in many conversations with writers and readers alike. It is the idea that tragedy is of necessity allied to pessimism. Even the dictionary says nothing more about the word than that it means a story with a sad or unhappy ending. This impression is so firmly fixed that I almost hesitate to claim that in truth tragedy implies more optimism in its author than does comedy, and that its final result ought to be the reinforcement of the onlooker's brightest opinions of the human animal." - ARTHUR MILLER
>>123475161
Words change over time, you realize?
>>123475302
Yes, which is exactly my point. That does nothing to change to purpose of the dramatic form the word was originally conceived to refer to.
>>123476487
Why are you even bringing up an ancient, archaic, and outdated usage of the term that only historians would even discuss?
The original meaning is different, words change over time and the usage in this thread isn't the same as what you think. I have no idea why you would even think this.
>>123470664
>>123472283
Which non-Hotaru outer is the best?
>>123477237
Pluto.
