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>>17705781
>>17704013
What needs to be focused on
>Proofing of transcoded alphanumeric versions of the cipher
>Logical (reproducable) arrangement, orientation and spacing of the transcoded cipher or fragments thereof
>Backwards extrapolation from partially successful decryptions to test for significance
It doesn't seem like there is much of a message in the pages, what like maybe 3-5 words per page. Unless each chunk of gold links is a word. Then the first page would have 13 words maybe, page 2 has 25?, page 3 has 27?, page 4 has 29? hard to see exactly, 35 words on the last page, not counting the opposite side of the pages, which probably aren't part of the text but ifd they are then that would make a pretty complicated code.
Also, how do you know what cover is the front? If you turned the book upside down and flipped it over, the back would be the front and each page would have a whoile new set of words or letters.
Or are you thinking each page has only letters?
I'm thinking that pic you have up there in this topic with the 5 brass links could symbolize the word "book" for all we know. Or it could be the letter "K".
Can't believe people are bumping this shit.
>>17711050
even if its a fake, he put more effort in it than these faggots with their "cryptic" Youtube vids
>>17711050
>>17711065
Who cares if it's fake, it's a neat cipher thats very original in both execution and asthetic. I like it and genuinely want to know how it reads.
OP here. Thanks for all the work guys. I never expected this big of a reaction.
>>17709529
Nah, no idea what any of that means.
>>17709777
Grandma died years ago. My whole family is German pretty much, patriarchs came here in the 1800s.
>>17709972
The gold rings are solid brass or bronze, not painted. You can see a cross-section of the metal at the cut ends.
>>17710063
It wouldn't weigh 5 lbs at 6"x8"x3" if it was aluminum. Also the pages are magnetic.
>>17711200
Was your grandpa religious?
>>17711034
It will be approximately two sentences
dont mind me im just checkin postin in each of these threads i wanna see how this all plays out
Since no one seems to have actually counted the total number of 5-ring graphemes vs 3-ring graphemes and only how many unique there are here are the stats on this:
Out of 114 Characters 69 consist of 3 rings, while 45 consist of 5 Rings.
If the upper/lower case scenario was true the likelyhood of the message being German increases.
>>17711076
>this i wanna know how it works so i can use it.
Someone give me a tl;dr please
>>17711330
Guy claims he found a 6 page chain mail book in his grandpas attic after he died, provided a timestamp. It has a "code" of gold colored links, /x/ has been working on figuring it out, but mostly arguing over a 3x3 or 3x2 (it's 3x3) configuration, and fending off dreamfags.
>>17711419
>it's 3x3
It doesn't matter
>>17711419
tl;dr it's gone absolutely nowhere and it probably never will unless OP comes back and makes more shit up
>>17711200
Do you know if you grandfather grew up anywhere near Oer-Erkenschwick?
Getting seriously interested, my mothers tongue is german and i have studied informatics, but have never gone really deep into cryptography.
Since everyone is too lazy to do the "pea counting", I started:
0 = ) black
1 = ) gold
x = ( black
y = ( gold
Page1, starting with the first row containing a gold ring:
00101010010001000100000
xxxxxxxyxxyyxxyyxxyyxx
00111001001101100101000
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
00000000000000000000000
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
00001000100010001010000
xxxxxyyxxxyxxyyxxyxxxx
00000110010010101010000
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
00000000000000000000000
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
00000000000000000000000
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
00000000000000000000000
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
00000000000000000000000
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
00000110011001100110000
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxyxxx
0000100000100100101000 ring missing?
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
00000000000000000000000
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
00000000000000000000000
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
00000000000000000000000
Page1 stripped (no surrounding non-information, the black rings seperating the "columns" (if they are indeed columns) are kept:
1010100100010001000
xxxxxyxxyyxxyyxxyyx
1110010011011001010
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
0000000000000000000
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
0010001000100010100
xxxyyxxxyxxyyxxyxxx
0001100100101010100
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
0000000000000000000
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
0000000000000000000
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
0000000000000000000
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
0000000000000000000
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
0001100110011001100
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxyxx
0010000010010010100
This is something that can actually be fed into whatever program we come up with, be it self-written or an existing cypher cracker.
Would be grateful for anons to do some pea (ring) counting for the remaining pages and share them, and others to double-check.
Going to sleep now.
P.S.: To read or edit, use an editor with a console font so every char has the same pixel width. Windows notepad will do.
>>17711614
I'm cracking it by hand, and thought I hit a dead end when I got the word 'OER', but after googling it I found they were a German Nobel family
>>17711639
what do you have so far? OP, is that name of any significance?
>>17711652
It's difficult. I think it's possible that it's written in something akin to nadsat, in the way that it could be half German half English, to throw off anyone trying to decode it.
>>17711652
I'll put some likely hoods next to the letters I've decoded. This is all based on the fact that it's written in at least partly English.
Q=T 90%
R=H 90%
F=E 90%
U=R 80%
S=O 60% or S=A 30%
T=V 40%
Obviously it's still all guesswork, but yeah.
inb4 stud standard
>>17710407
I still dont get why you post the pics with a white background ...
>>17711823
scanners usually leave a white background for a perfect picture
>>17711259
>>17704127
>Not sure about his religion. My mom (his daughter) raised me Lutheran but from what I understand that mainly came from her mother.
>>17711614
It never occurred to me but I actually don't know where my family lived in Germany before moving here. They haven't lived there since the 1800s though so Grandpa certainly didn't live there personally.
>>17711823
I put the book on a piece of posterboard I had lying around. It makes objects look nice with minimal effort.
>>17711823
I'm not the original-original OP that has the book I'm just a guy who's done some decryption of antique ephemera in the past who's been trying to keep this project sort of on course but it's honestly pretty discouraging that there are so many more discrete symbols than there are letters in the alphabet. I'm not going to give up but if someone doesn't come up with a plausible meaning for it like possibly something related to the 3-ring vs 5-ring dichotomy I may have to go to the effort of pirating some more powerful decryption software that might have some ideas of its own. At any rate, this is currently what IMHO is the most important bit of data
ABCDE
CFEG
HIJK
LDMNO
FPBE
QRF
STFU
DVS
CSGFJ
QRF
WBAF
XYFZ1
2YQ
EFUFZ
3YP4F
GFAQ
S2DYQ
LBVF
MSE
5FU
PFS6
QR7A
WSZ1
XYSLO
CA84D
3DNFJ
TLS19
This is a transcoded data set that can at least be partially machine analysed by quipquip, a free decryption tool online. I have been manipulating it in various ways and plugging bits of it in with some limited encouraging results but still nothing groundbreaking.
BUSTLED IMAGE OXEN UP O COVERAGE WIFE
BUTCHER OXIDE ANEW UP A LAKESIDE MOVE
COUGHED TRIKE AMEN OF A WAVELIKE STYE
One thing I've been meaning to do is to presume that the double-spaces indicate the end of a sentence and test inputting the data that way. I didn't do it last night because the double-spaces aren't readily apparent from the straight-text version.
>>17712097
Thanks, I just spent a bit of time basically doing the same, but have come up just about as empty handed as you. I think people presume this effort is dead, but really it's just hard to know where to go when you have 35 symbols and only 26 letters.
It also seems to me that most online solvers ignore numbers and symbols, making the analysis worthless. I'm open to any ideas, but as of right now it's starting to look like a dead end to me.
>>17712139
It should be noted that a reasonable guess is that the QRF string is "THE". I'm basing this guess on the fact that F appears in the book about 14% of the time, consistent with what Wikipedia's Letter_frequency page says an "E" would be...
Again, totally a guess, but it's literally all that I can come up with
>>17712139
>>17712161
I've been focusing on the part before it became necessary to add numerals but one thing that we could do to get larger chunks of online-decryptable data is to reassign the numerals to the least common characters, or restart the ABC...XYZ123 sequence from a different point.
>>17712197
That seemed like a good idea, so I went ahead and did it.
There's 9 characters that only appear once, and now I've made those 9 unique characters digits. Coincidentally (or maybe not?!) I think that leaves us with 26 non-unique symbols, and 9 unique symbols. Also perhaps coincidentally, these 9 unique characters only appear on the first page, 4th page, and 5th page. They're not used at all on the 2nd and 3rd page.
Anyways, the new list, with unique characters being represented as digits:
## Page 1
ABCDE
CFEG
12J3
## Page 2
LDMNO
FP BE
QRF
STFU
DV S
CSGFJ
## Page 3
QRF
WBAF
XYFZH
IYQ
EFUFZ
KYPNF
## Page 4
GFAQ
SIDYQ
LBVF
MSE
9FU
PFS7
## Page 5
QR6A
WSZH
XYSLO
CA4ND
KD5FJ
TLSH8
Is is possible the 3-ring letters and the 5-ring letters are just two different versions of the alphabet? Like if the symbol for A in 5-ring is:
).)
(.
)).
In 3-ring it might be the "inverse" of that:
.).
.(
..)
I mean, it seems like there should be some significance to the fact that 3+5=8 (sorry, the symbols all look 3-2-3 to me). So maybe letters are randomly or with some pattern "inverted" just to screw with decoders. Or there's just two alphabets in use and there's not necessarily a relation between the 3-ring and 5-ring symbols used for a given letter.
This still leaves at least 20 (I think?) letters, though.
>>17712243
Page 1
>12J3
Page 2
>CSGFJ
'J' can't be right here if it's unique to page 1.
>>17712341
The numbers are the unique symbols, it's the letters that all appear more than once.
I figured it out. Only took me about 20 mins.
>>17712380
do tell.
>>17712097
Op grandma was a whore cow
Grampy murdered here and dumped her in the lake
Grampy made a shit mistake, go to the lake and avenge her spirit
>>17712395
she will give you a sword if you are deemed worthy
>>17712083
Try to find a Bible in the house. The only thing I can think of that uses letters and all the numbers in such short frame are verses from a Bible. Like "John 15:9-17" Maybe there is a modified Bible and these verses put a message together.
>>17710407
Not even a real chainmail
>what needs to be focused on
The fact that it's a garbage tier attempt at being spooky when it doesn't even have a patina on it.
>>17711076
>implying it's a cipher at all and isn't just a bunch of gibberish
Modern day Voynich manuscript, faggots.
>>17713304
Nobody is attempting to make it spooky other than RPfags who are being told to gtfo
>>17713310
It's a lot simpler than the Voynich manuscript, but it's also unlikely that the Voynich manuscript is just gibberish unless it was written by an insane person. It's simply not sane to put so much effort into making something that has no meaning, unless it's part of a scam which neither this book or that manuscript seem to be.
It's fucking pathetic how many people on /x/ would rather be lazy than think about a real mystery.
>>17713304
>hasn't read any of the threads
>>17713350
>It's fucking pathetic how many people on /x/ would rather be lazy than think about a real mystery.
Agreed. Seems like every time something interesting comes up it's all:
> autism
> nice RP
> obvious fake is obvious
The Idiot Anti-joy Brigade is seriously cancerous lately.
>>17713354
>>17713383
I intentionally didn't repost any of the purty pictures from the previous threads to discourage the RPfags but I may prefer them to the killjoys
>>17713383
>>17713413
Seriously. There's nothing remotely paranormal or spooky about any of this, it's just a cool piece of artwork with a genuine mystery. If OP is trolling, /x/ needs way, way more trolling of this caliber.
>>17712254
I am gonna check for that and see how many unique graphemes we'd have after that.
It certainly would eliminate a few and bring down the number to something more hopeful.
>>17712254
What if 5 link characters represent the start of a new word? Spaces are all over the place, this could be more reliable.
>>17713556
Then there'd be hell of a lot of one letter words on page 1.
I have been thinking.
There are only very few characters that don't start with the top left ring golden and 4 of them bild the last line on the first page.
I kind of think they might represent numbers and that the last line on page 1 might be a year.
>>17713571
What if each symbol represents one word?
>>17713577
Then we'd have a giant leap in complexity before us. We will come to that if it's the easiest assumption to make that has not been proven wrong yet.
>>17713583
What if each symbol is a poorly done asian or runic character?
>>17712254
I changed up my table and fed quipqiup that:
RECAN CON3CANE HAVY BODEN TWOIP OF A MILI3ON T WOKE ROUS OB12STN OF OB3S D4O3ORT I2 AS THE MOVIN5 OF DO I6T WORK I B1USIHBCRE4A3 AY ON PHI19
RECAN CON3CANE HAVGBODEN TWOIP OF A MILI3ON T WOKE ROUS OB12STN OF OB3S D4O3ORT I2 AS THE MOVIN5 OF DO I6T WORK I B1USIHBCRE4A3 AGON PHI19
RED AND ON3 DANE FAUL TO MEN SPOIGO WAY IXI3ONSPOKE ROCH OT12H SNOW OT3H M4O3ORSI2AHSFE YOU I N5OW MOI6S PORKIT1CHIFT DRE4A3 ALONG FI19
RED AND ON3 DANE FAUL TO MEN SPOIGO WAY IJI3ONSPOKE ROCH OT12H SNOW OT3H M4O3ORSI2AHSFE YOU I N5OW MOI6S PORKIT1CHIFT DRE4A3 ALONG FI19
RED AND ON3 DANE FAUL TO MEN SPOIGO BAYIJI3ONSPOKE ROCH OT12H S NOBOT3H M4O3ORSI2AHSFE YOU I N5OBMOI6S PORKIT1CHIFT DRE4A3 ALONG FI19
RED AND ON3 DANE FAUL TO MEN SPOIGO BAY I VI3ONSPOKE ROCH OT12H S NOBOT3H M4O3ORSI2AHSFE YOU I N5OBMOI6S PORKIT1CHIFT DRE4A3 ALONG FI19
REY ANYON3YA NEFAUL TO MEN SPOIGOB A DIVI3ONSPOKE ROCH OT12H S NOBOT3H M4O3ORSI2AH S FEDOUI N5OBMOI6S PORKIT1CHIFTY RE4A3 ALONG FI19
RECAN CON3CANE MAULT OPENS VOID OF A BIGI3ONS VOYER O WHO T12H SNOF OT3H P4O3ORSI2AH S ME BOUIN5 OF POI6S VORY IT1 WHIM T CRE4A3 ALOND MI19
RECAN CON3CANE MAULT OPENS VOID OF A YIGI3ONS VO BE ROW HOT12H SNOF OT3H P4O3ORSI2AH S ME YOU IN5 OF POI6S VORBIT1 WHIM T CRE4A3 ALOND MI19
REGAN GON3G A NETAB WHO PEN SCO I DO FAMILI3ONSCOVER OXYOH12Y SNOFOH3YP4O3ORS I2 AY STE MOBIN5 OF POI6S CORVIH1XYITH GRE4A3 A WOND TI19
XED AND ON3 DANE FAULQOZENS BOIGORAY ITI3ONS BOW EXOVMOQ12MSNOROQ3MZ4O3OXSI2 AM S FE YOU IN5 ORZOI6S BOXWIQ1VMIFQDXE4A3 ALONG FI19
RECAN CON3CANE TAUGH OPENS VOID OF A MILI3ONS VOWER OBYOH12Y SNOFOH3YP4O3ORSI2AYS TEM OU IN5 OF POI6S VOR WIH1BYITH CRE4A3 AGOND TI19
RECAN CON3CANE TAUGH OPENS VOID OF A MILI3ONS VOBER OWYOH12Y SNOFOH3YP4O3ORSI2AYS TEM OU IN5 OF POI6S VORBIH1WYITH CRE4A3 AGOND TI19
>>17713596
Same shit.
What if it's actually a completely phonetic writing? Or a made up language? Those cases are only really consideerable once we have seen that the more simpler approaches haven't gotten us anywhere.
While the most simple one seems to not get us much
see >>17713605
I personally think the next simplest approach would be to look into a way to reduce the amount of unique characters to something more akin of ~20-25. That's why a lot of us are thinking about the 5-3 dichotomy currently.
>>17713574
Hmmmmm.... Four consecutive similar, infrequent characters may very well represent a year especially found on the "title" page. This is a good observation.
>>17713605
Oh wait, quipqiup only works with the given characters. Using this we only have 27 unique characters:
RICONCEND CONILOXZSEMIN T HEAVEY OF A CADEN THE WIRE QUES1 BUT N EYES DUMPEDERT ABOUT LIFEXANJEY MEAK THER WAS1 QUAL SCRIPODOZEN VLA1G
RICONCEND CONILOJZSEMIN T HEAVEY OF A CADEN THE WIRE QUES1 BUT N EYES DUMPEDERT ABOUT LIFE JANXEY MEAK THER WAS1 QUAL SCRIPODOZEN VLA1G
RICONCEND CONILOJZSEMIN T HEAVEY OF A CADEN THE WIRE QUES1 BUT N EYES DUMPEDERT ABOUT LIFE JANGEY MEAK THER WAS1 QUAL SCRIPODOZEN VLA1X
RICONCEND CONIYOJZSEMIN T HEAVEL OF A CADEN THE WIRE QUES1 BUT NELES DUMPEDERT ABOUT YIFE JANGEL MEAK THER WAS1 QUAYS CRIPODOZENVYA1X
RICONCEND CONIYOJXSEMIN T HEAVEL OF A CADEN THE WIRE QUES1 BUT NELES DUMPEDERT ABOUT YIFE JANGEL MEAK THER WAS1 QUAYS CRIPODOXENVYA1Z
RICONCEND CONILOMXSEV IN THE APE YO FACADEN THE WIRE QUES1 BUT N EYES DUVZEDERT ABOUT LIFE MAN JEYVEAK THER WAS1 QUAL SCRIZODOXEN PLA1G
RICONCEND CONILOMXSEPIN T HEAVEY OF A CADEN THE WIRE QUES1 BUT N EYES DUPZEDERT ABOUT LIFE MAN JEY PEAK THER WAS1 QUAL SCRIZODOXEN VLA1G
RIDON DENC DO NILOMXSEPIN T HEAVEY OF ADA CENT HE WIRE QUES1 BUT N EYES CUPZE CERT ABOUT LIFE MAN JEY PEAK THER WAS1 QUALS DRIZOCOXEN VLA1G
what if it is braille?
>>17713676
>>17713643
>>17713605
You're for sure doing the right process now but obviously there's still something not quite right about the data you're inputting. Try using fragments, especially ones with no numerals. Also, maybe try reversing either the entire order or the line order and/or tinker with spacing.
We could also use someone to find an even better decryption program that quipquip, maybe something that knows punctuation and/or numeric characters.
>>17713643
>>17713605
spooky
> FAUL TO MEN
>CON3CANE TAUGH OPENS VOID OF A MILI3ONS
Hi guys, I'm not solving the puzzle, but i wanted to put this out there...
There are people who's job it is to waste the time of people who might otherwise become invested in radical ideas.
By spending time here on /x/, you're already avoiding a lot of the major distractions that work on the majority of people.
Professional distractors, whoever they are, have to work a little harder to get you guys to waste your time, but they still find ways.
This board is for paranormal discussion and pictures, so let's not get distracted :)
>>17713830
everything is going fine in this thread though....
>>17713830
> Stop wasting time you could be spending talking about tulpas and succubuses
If anyones interested, I finished up the ring-by-ring pictures.
I will derive my own characters from them and compare frequencies with
>>17706670
>>17713940
>>17713940
page 2
>>17713940
Page 3
>>17713940
Page 4
>>17713940
Page 5
Oh this is awesome! I'm really glad to see people are really working on cracking this.
What bothers me, and maybe this has been straightened out in previous threads, but - the language. Why assume it's English? Why not German, or even Latin?
By the way, OP, can you find a way to date that book? Cause it doesn't look that old and if your ancestors left Germany in the 1800', then it probably wouldn't be in German. Also, in the meantime, I would research your grandpa as extensively as possible, just to try and get some context.
Bumping for encouragement.
>>17714285
If a crack is attempted and it resolves to anything that looks like words then we'll know its been done. Google translating it isn't hard.
>>17714300
Quipquip only does English though that's why we could use people finding more robust decryption programs
>>17713830
>g-guys come to my thread and check out all the evidence I found to support flat earth theory, don't get distracted by this nonsense...p-please
>>17713830
This board was originally for creepy pasta and creepy images. It just accumulates a scary number of crazy people who actually believe in those creepy pastas.
>>17714486
>a scary number of crazy people
Quit being such a faggot, it's better than some of the other shit on here.
>>17713350
didnt someone translate the script years ago?
Anyone try the braille route?
>>17714709
braille is vastly different. firstly it's in a 2x3 matrix instead of a 3-2-3 one and in braille a character can be compromised out of anything between 1 or all 6 dots.
Here we have characters clearly only made out of 3 or 5 dots/rings.
This certainly is not braille in any way.
Interesting note:
Page 5 which has with only 2 empty spaces by far the most character, contains the most frequent character in the whole book only once.
weird
>>17714285
I'm leaning towards it being in Latin.
If I went through the trouble of making this book, I would not use boring English as the language.
>>17714773
What if one of the characters code a space, and space actually codes a letter?
>>17714826
possibility noted and will be incorporated into a zip I am currently compiling with a lot of observations and all the pics/compilations made so far.
Possible?
Hey all.
I'm the anon who was working on proofing and creating an easily written alphabet for the ring code the other night. (See pic here that I'm reposting)
I've looked through the progress made and unless I'm missing something, it doesn't seem like a proof has been completed or accepted as correct by everyone yet.
I have the rest of the night to continue my work if it's needed, if not, I'll work with whatever set is accepted, that is, if that exists yet.
Let me know everyone. I'm ready to get back to cracking this!
>>17714989
I think we should let the reddit fags solve this
>>17715013
I think you should go back to your skinwalker thread
>>17715013
I'm surprised they haven't tried yet. Nevertheless, I'm going to keep at it.
Sorry just started lurking, have you guys tried translating it using morse code?
>>17715038
It was established a few nights ago that Morse would not work here.
>>17715038
The problem is more a way to transcode the characters into Morse. Give it an attempt, Anon.
>>17714989
There is desperate need for proofing.
I am currently in the process myself and just a quick check with the frequency table I clearly get different amounts.
Though I think that might be, because 3-2-3 anon messed up a few symbols due to not correctly looking at the spacing between characters, which I incorporated into my system.
I am currently counting things and will write a reference for every unique character exactly WHERE in the book it appears, though the more seperate counts we have the better proofed things actually are.
>>17712243
Going on the assumption that the last line on page one is a date than we can fairly certainly say that the letter 1 is indeed 1, the letter 2 is 9 because the book doesnt look older than 20th century, also if it was from the 2000s then it would use the same symbol at least twice. So what im guessing is that the letter J signifies a number from 5-6-7-8. I guess OP's granpa to be born around late 40s early 50s at max, we can say that he had to be at least a teenager to make a book like this.
Also if the 5 tiles symbols mean capital letters, the first page can be the initials of OP's grandpa, so we need op tp gove us the initials and see if they fit the scheme or not
>>17714805
This, or a basic club/fraternity/cult code. I feel like the book could be an initiation gift, with the creed/oath/pledge written in it. It's a sign of the significance, but still a secret, which otherwise makes no damn sense. I think you guys (like>>17714921)
are waay over thinking it.
So I have been doing stuff.
>>17715541
The naming scheme might be a little convoluted, but no one needs to use it and it's mostly for myself.
Though with it you can see how a character would look like from the name only.
Here I have listed for every letter where in the book it appears:
http://pastebin.com/9U38gkPC
>>17715548
To note is that I have only 36 unique characters with a 19/17 split.
I believe that the previous anon made a mistake in categorizing P2:II-4 as it's own letter.
>>17715558
Hm currently checking, he did not, but I believe he still miscategorized it.
Will check both charts against each other further
I finished crosschecking both charts.
Original had one redundant char as it turns out, while counting one wrong because not accounting for the spacing between letters on page 2 line 2.
All the while I had a different mistake in my transcription on Page 2 as well I could spot while comparing.
corrected chart
>>17715696
That's some good proofing bro - and that shit matters. Especially if we find a piece of decryption software that can also parse numerals and has expanded characters in its database.
And corrected page collection.
With this anons work has been proofed by one other person.
>>17715696
Hoooly shit, thank you!!
Now I'm gonna look for some software. I don't imagine the kind of thing we need would just be hanging around online for free, so this might take time or not work at all.
Since I don't quite get how that software decryption thing works I will now look for some more patterns in the book beside the already known ones.
Already realized that both occurences of <3-Ia> are alwas at the start of a line
>>17715778
btw, if anyone wants to think for a better/easier naming scheme, go for it.
I think it might become important for us to be able to talk about specific letters/characters and that everyone quickly understands which one is meant.
>>17715781
Just call them by the letter they represent.
>>17715795
lol yeah that would be great right
Well so far it's just a mountain of PDF encryption, DVD decoding, Intel IPP, and just a whole lot of file and data encryption/decription. So it's going great.
Does anyone know a specific piece of software that would be useful?
>>17715795
Not sure if stupid or troll
Observation:
<3-bc> is the only character that clearly stands alone, though P2:V-4 is the only occurrence.
This coupled with the high frequency of that character leads me to believe it might be the letter "a".
That assumes the language is englisch of course.
I don't really know of one letter words in german.
>>17715836
http://zodiackillerciphers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Software_Tools
Cool, thanks. I've just downloaded it, I don't know how to use it yet and I don't know if it's gonna do the job. I'm good at pirating stuff, don't know anything about deciphering. I'll tinker with it tomorrow, I need sleep. If another anon wants to give it a try - awesome, go for it. The program was uploaded in 2008 but seems to work fine on Win 8.1.
>>17715937
That was for
>>17715877
Checked. I'm dead tired and suddenly super interested in the zodiac killer, so thanks for that as well :D
>>17715958
what if OP's grandfather was the zodiac killer?
>>17715962
Then the book had coordinates to some of his trophies
>>17715962
Then his grandfather's last name would be Cruz and not Ore
Sadly there are not too many repeating patterns, but with such a short text that is to be expected.
Noteworthy is really only, that there is one 3-letter pattern that exist twice (and both times those are the only characters in the line), and two 2-letter patterns that exist three times.
If the 3-letter pattern is actually 'the' then the first thrice occuring 2-letter pattern would be 'th' and the second one would 'e'+another letter.
The three letters with the highest probability to follow e in the english language are 'r', 'n' and 'd'.
Keep up the goodwork folks
Looking further into the 3-5 dichotomy.
I am relatively sure that they do NOT correlate to upper/lower case. For that the distribution is too strange and way too often in the middle or end of a word.
I am also wondering, if linebreaks don't mean the word ends, how come we don't have any lines beginning with a space? It might be coincidence, but I'd take that as a hint that linebreaks actually might seperate words.
Maybe there is a special character that only occurs at the end of a line and denotes a continuation?
>>17716397
There ar two character that only ever appear in slot 5 in a line.
<5-(B)Vbc> and <3-Ba>
Though <3-Ba> does so once on the end of Page 2.
>>17716397
Forgot picture.
Made the 3-rings green and the 5-rings blue.
Letters without a top left golden ring are marked red. I still think they denote something special.
I am most certainly positive those on P1 are numerals, though I am not sure about the two not on Page1.
Interestingly one of those two >>17716410
is a red marked one.
<5-(B)Vbc>
What if the symbols arent meant as letter but as numbers? Like on a 3x3matrix each chain can be a number from 1-9 and you have to add or multiply them or something and then the numbers can signify letters or coordinates or something?
I created updated strings based on the proofread charts:
With linebreak = wordend.
Page 1:
WBUST UETY
Page 2:
JSGQ6 EF BT PCE INEO SD I UIYEK
Page 3:
PCE 1BWE M3ELZ H3P TEOEL A3FRE
Page 4:
YEWP IHS3P JBDE GIT 2EO FEIV
Page 5:
PC5W 1ILZ M3IJ6 UWXRS ASQEK NJIZ4
Without Line/Pagebreaks:
WBUST UETY JSGQ6EF BTPCE INEO SD I UIYEK PCE1BWE M3ELZH3P TEOELA3FREYEWP IHS3PJBDE GIT 2EO FEIV PC5W 1ILZ M3IJ6UWXRSASQEKNJIZ4
With '6' actually denoting a continuation instead of a character:
Page 1:
WBUST UETY
Page 2:
JSGQEF BT PCE INEO SD I UIYEK
Page 3:
PCE 1BWE M3ELZ H3P TEOEL A3FRE
Page 4:
YEWP IHS3P JBDE GIT 2EO FEIV
Page 5:
PC5W 1ILZ M3IJUWXRS ASQEK NJIZ4
>>17716575
Oh right, I left out the last line on Page 1.
That is a 4 letter 'word' that entirely comprises of characters with a frequency of 1. Even if they are not numbers, we have next to no chance anyway of finding out what that word would mean since they only apper there.
>>17716091
Sounds like "too" "to" and "of" to me.... Ugh but then the last two characters would repeat (unless there's multiple characters for the same letter). "and", "an" and "no"? It's not "one" "on" and "no" or you'd have noticed one two-glyph was the reverse of the other... I guess there are lots of other to_ words,"top" "ton" "toy" etc.
ink in no
ate at to
god go on
now no of
son so of
>>17715958
I'd tell you not to get distracted but it's not like I'm paying you.
>>17716397
There are double spaces at the end of some lines though what do you think that might indicate? I think possibly the pages like that might be a list.
>>17716512
There are 36 different characters.
>>17716590
Maybe through process of elimination
>>17716575
I think we're going to have to use some better software like maybe from that Zodiac wiki.
Lol guys I think the interest this project generated spawned a copycat
>>17717003
> No creation dates earlier than yesterday
> Ciphers hidden within spectrograms of the audio of YouTube videos
> Being discovered and solved in minutes (sure sign that the original coder is going if not outright solving them for Anon)
> Spoopy references to unsolved murders
> 100% easy peasy cell phone video/dump in dump out digital source material (nothing physical and finely crafted like the chain mail)
>>17717955
Kind of sad, isn't it?
Well shit, my attemt at using software to decipher this has so far been a total bust. Reporting results:
Page 1
WBUST UETY > ISTENTONA
Page 2
JSGQ6 EF BT PCE INEO SD I UIYEK > UAINTERECOMETHEWASTATLED (Word List: aint, come, comet, inter, stat, thew, wast)
Page 2 with 6 as continuation
JSGQEF BT PCE INEO SD I UIYEK > UNDWERECOMETHEINSTATTEL (Word list: come, comet, sat, were)
Page 3
PCE 1BWE M3ELZ H3P TEOEL A3FRE > ECAUSEATHANOTHERALANDHIMA (Word List: another, ause, cause, land, other, seat, than)
Page 4
YEWP IHS3P JBDE GIT 2EO FEIV > METOTHECOULDESTINEARETW (Word List: could, destine, near, tine)
Page 5
PC5W 1ILZ M3IJ6 UWXRS ASQEK NJIZ4 > UECOMETOILEDANOTHEREWASIDEOF (Word List: another, aside, come, comet, here, oiled, other, side, there, toil)
Page 5 with 6 as continuation
PC5W 1ILZ M3IJUWXRS ASQEK NJIZ4 > FECOMESAINEDTOTHEREWOULDEAA (Word List: come, here, mesa, other, there, would)
Everything together without page breaks:
WBUST UETY JSGQ6EF BTPCE INEO SD I UIYEK PCE1BWE M3ELZH3P TEOELA3FREYEWP IHS3PJBDE GIT 2EO FEIV PC5W 1ILZ M3IJ6UWXRSASQEKNJIZ4 > SALENLTNUMEIDATEANINTOFTHECOLOUTOINTWASTARTHEPRINTHTHERESTUTSIOPERIMACTIONTTHETORINGSWOHEAROMALSTSEEEDTOFMOEY (Word list: action, arome, date, hear, into, lout, print, rest, ring, sale, star, start, tart, there, theres, twas, wast)
Now, Zodiac Devrypto has some cool features. It checks combinations for 2 000 failures by default, I bupmed that up to 10 000. It lets you edit the key, include/exculde letters, it supports English, German, Italian and Spanish. I tried adding numbers form 0-9 in case it didin't consider them by default which didin't really help. There's a lot of things you can play with, all kinds of adjustments, flipping the text or reversing it (nope, reversing didin't help either). My German is not what it used to be, so I can't speak to that, but nothing made sense in Spanish.
![08082013_Leaking_Hot_Tub_DL[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/n1Q7KXj.jpg "08082013_Leaking_Hot_Tub_DL[2].jpg")
>>17718418
Glad to have provided the Zodiac link. I was a little afraid it would lead to these threads just turning into Zodiac threads without ever solving our cipher but I'm guessing the guy doing that "Angler" thing was someone who was lurking our thread then got derailed completely with the Zodiac wiki and turned it into his own thing. Honestly kind of glad he kept it separate.
That's sweet the options on the Zodiac Decryptor though, I never actually used it I was just aware of it. I'm sure there are some german and spanish fluent anons you could pull in with some purty screen caps of your output in those languages plus some links that take them near our current-progress point. Germans are supposed to be pretty industrious right? And the smartest ones are probably spending more time indoors these days if-you-know-what-I'm-sayin'
>>17718418
Something I didn't think about before was the word length. It's four letters by default, I shoud have changed that to 1. There's just so many variables and I know nothing about decrypting or deciphering anythig. I don't really know where to begin, I have no idea whether the key needs to be edited and if so, how.
So, I suggest someone who knows their shit downloads the program from the link Anon provided:
http://zodiackillerciphers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Software_Tools
and tries their hand at it. I'm considering going to other boards and asking for help unless it's already been done. Is reddit out of the question? Unless I get sudden inspiration, my watch has ended.
>>17718438
It's crazy, just seems so detailed and powerful. I can't even begin to comprehend how it was created. I think that if someone knew what they're doing, that program could be of real help.
>>17718461
>I can't even begin to comprehend how it was created
It was driven by someone who became obsessed with the Zodiac code. You know the feeling you're getting from OOP'd chain mail book and his little maybe-true find story, well think about them 90s dudes who had an unsolved cipher that was 90% guaranteed to have come from a for-reals psycho serial killer.
We live in a day an age where a fresh catch like the chain mail code is about the best we can do but back in the day, at the dawn of the digital age all of history was those guys' oyster. I only wish I'd been old enough to care about that shit back then instead of just using it mainly to get my dick wet.
Realize though, Anon that right now you're the guy holding this particular shit in your hands. Maybe figure out how to use Zodiac Decryptor good. It'll make you feel good, Anon..
>>17718461
>Is reddit out of the question? Unless I get sudden inspiration, my watch has ended.
Please don't take this away from us
>>17718502
I get the motivation for creating it, the 'why'. Just not the 'how', the technical part.
The software itself is actually very user-friendly and it comes with a step-by step how-to guide with screenshots, so my problem isn't figuring out how to work with it.
My problem is I don't know how cyphers work in general. I have zero mathematical thinking, I'm just a complete ignoramus in those fields, my strenghts and interests lie on the opposite end of the spectrum.
I wanted to help find a powerful enough software which I assumed would have to be pirated and I knew I could help with that.
So, it's not that I don't get how to use Zodiac Decryptor well enough. I just don't know what to make it do. I tried using common sense, but this is way, way above that. We need someone with experience in cryptography, or at least solid theoretical knowledge. If it has to be me, I would need at least a week to read a couple of books and gain a decent understanding of how it works. But it doesn't have to be me, there's people much more competent that can do the job much more quickly, and I'd rather leave it to them.
The Anons who created the charts and the strings - not sure if you're the same person or not, but I think you could do this. Software is easy to use, you just create a notepad file for each individual string, then you feed them into the decrypter one by one and then you just hack away at it.
I sitll think it's very likely that it's not in English at all. I'm thinking along the lines of Latin, or god forbid, Ancient Greek. The kind of language that a secret society would use. Cause this seems like some secret society type shit to me. And I can still see it being English or German. My head hurts from all the variables omg.
>>17718515
Alright. I won't post this there unless we as a group decide it would be cooler to know what this is than to save face. Also, OP himself must allow it. So if it pops up over there, know it wasn't me.
>>17718657
>We need someone with experience in cryptography, or at least solid theoretical knowledge
You're making me feel guilty, Anon. I went and spent my night off drinking with sexy girls and I won't get another until Monday. I'll do what I can myself in my spare moments but generally, without personally having used the Zodiac program my guess is that you're still passing it some characters it can't or is reluctant to parse (the numerals)
So
What needs to be done is...
EITHER
>Transcoders/Proofers need to try to create transcodings that at have as much logical text as possible, in a format the parser can understand (English alphabet only? You tell me)
OR
>Pirates (you?) to seek out and obtain ever more powerful decryption software that CAN parse the entire message, or larger fragments
OR
>Logicfags to figure out the 3-5 dichotomy and/or any other breakthrough that might reduce the total number of discrete characters to something easier to parse
AND/OR
>Ideally some combination of all the above
>>17718657
Turns out it's already on /r/codes. It was posted three days ago, there hasn't really been any progress:
https://www.reddit.com/r/codes/comments/4jwrg3/coded_chain_link_book_found_in_grandpas_attic/
I think that, if we can't solve it ourselves, we should try and give it as much exposure as possible (with OP's blessing). Front page of Reddit, front page of imgur, get Vsauce to make an episode about it, get fucking Harvard on it, anything. Just get actual experts to have a look at it. It's just such a cool item and I love the mystery behind it. I don't think anything like it was ever discovered, or at least not made public knowledge.
Man I wish I could just crack it myself :(
> You're making me feel guilty, Anon.
Aw, no, don't. Nobody would expect you to spend your night off just sitting at home, working on a pet project. If you feel like it, you could download the program and play with it in your spare time a bit, it would take you half an hour tops to figre out how it works, create the strings and start work. I feel useless cause I've got all the free time in the world, I just don't know what the hell to do. Maybe I'll find a book and start reading, it's interesting and I might get some ideas sooner than later, who knows.
I'd say yeah, it's Latin alphabet only. So I don't think we need to worry about Cyrillic and other alphabets, and thank god - it's a clusterfuck as it is.
>What needs to be done is...
I'd say all of the above, yeah. If there's a need to look for new software, I'm on it. It would be a crazy google search just to identify what I'm looking for, cause the terms 'encryption', 'decryption', 'decoding' and so on re used very widely to refer to a lot of stuff. But then if I got the name and that software is anywhere to be found on the clearnet as a torrent - well, drink up me hearties yo ho.
>>17718867
oh I'm talking to myself. Sorry.
>>17718728
>>17718867
>I'd say yeah, it's Latin alphabet only. So I don't think we need to worry about Cyrillic and other alphabets, and thank god - it's a clusterfuck as it is.
Problem is that we have 36 characters in the chain mail. If you could simply figure out 36 characters that the Zodiac decrypt is capable of parsing that alone might be enough to break it. Like, you said "Latin" but the Latin language has no W or Y or J.
>>17718901
punctuation and numbers and you have more than enough
>>17718999
So does the Zodiac Decrypt parse numerals then or not?
>>17718901
>Latin language has no W or Y or J
True dat, hadn't considered it. The Latin laguage doesn't have them, but the Latin script does. As for the characters the program turns this:
¼ºP/Z/uBºËOR¥ÐX¥B
WV+ÅGyF°¼HP1K‚ÑyÅ
MJy^uI˽ÑTÔNQyDµ£
S¢/¼·BPORAuºÆRÌÑE
Ë^LMZJÄÒ\ÐFHVWžy
1+ÑGD¼KI£°ÑX¾µ¤S¢
RNÔIyEÌO¾ÑGBTQS·B
LÄ/P·B1XÑEHMu^RRË
Into
I LIKE KILLING PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS SOMUCH FUN IT IS MORE FUN THAN KILLING WILDGAME
IN THE FORREST BECAUSE MAN IS THE MOAT DANGERTUE ANAMAL OF ALL TO KILL SOMETHING GIVES ME THE MOAT THRILLING EXPERENCE
So I suppose numerals should be ok.
>>17719069
Interesting. Did you gain any insight on how someone transcoded the Zodiac cipher into those particular alphanumerics/ascii?
>>17717514
Let me clarify, i didnt mean that there are only numbers. Let me illustrate my point.
000
000
000
This is the empty matrix with no gold chains
X00
000
000 would mean 1
XX0
000
000 would be either 3 or 12 depending on how you make it with either counting additively or just writing down the numbers beside each other
So a symbol like
X00
0XX
0XX would be 15689 or 29. You can then feed the numbers into a numbers based cryptoghraphic sequence and see if anything comes up.
>>17719115
No, but I noticed something. Even with the correct key, the message comes up somewhat jumbled up. The program spits it out with no line breaks, I had to add those by hand. Without the correct key, you can follow the general idea but some things are unclear. With the key, you still get stuff like "MAN IS THE MOAT DANGERTUE ANAMAL".
So, provided that I don't know what I'm doing and I'm using the default key for this, I decided to take some creative liberties and came up with some words, most of which still makes no sense, but...yeah. First column is the original strings (the 6s as continuation are between parentheses), the second one is just trying to separate words, third one is basically shots in the dark.
ISTENTONA - I STENT ON A - I STAND ON A
UAINTERECOMETHEWASTATLED - UAINTERE COME THE WASTATLED
(UNDWERECOMETHEINSTATTEL) - UNDWERE COME THE INSTATTEL - UNDER WHERE COME THE IN STATTEL
ECAUSEATHANOTHERALANDHIMA - E CAUSE ATH ANOTHER ALAND HIMA - AND CAUSE ATH ANOTHER A LAND HIM A
METOTHECOULDESTINEARETW - ME TO THE COULDEST INEARETW
UECOMETOILEDANOTHEREWASIDEOF - UE COME TO I LED ANOTHER WASIDEOF
(FECOMESAINEDTOTHEREWOULDEAA) - FECOMES AINED TO THERE WOULD EAA - BECOMES...?
Something came to mind - if this is supposed to be English, it wouldn't be modern English. So, words like "COULDEST", different spelling, different world order within sentences, etc.
>>17719197
Try forming Latin words
>>17719290
I'm not sure there would be much sense in doing it, although it would be fun. But the results I've been posting are in English. Not that I can't switch things around, substitute letters like crazy and come up with some Latin words, but the source I'm using is in English. That would be less accurate than me switching thigs around and coming up with English words. There was a pattern to how Zodiac's letters were mixed up, I'm just too tired to try and identify it. Gonna continue tomorrow if someone hasn't solved it by then.
I've been banging my head against this- trying to substitute letters that made sense to me for the past two hours now.
I think it fairly certain that the repeated three letter combination is 'the' and the single letter is 'a' but past that I haven't had much luck.
I almost managed to fill in one page (the fourth) as 'WEST ABOUT __KE __A_N _EN _ _EAR'.
I think it's directions. Unfortunately for me, this method of deciphering it ended up with the other pages making some sense (words such as 'but' and 'saw' appeared) but I ran out of vowels for the rest to make total sense.
I'm going to try again tomorrow if it isn't solved.
There is also the issue that it might be old english- I tried 'thy' instead of 'the' but there were a clusterfuck of 'y's across the page which couldn't have made sense.
>>17713310
Arguably this.
Subsequently if you think otherwise you belong in the trash can we call /b/.
>>17719797
>sincerity is for retards
The problem we are seeing right now is that it is incredibly unlikely that every alphabetical letter exactly corresponds with a character in the book.
We just have too many unique characters, even if we take the ones out that are missing the top left gold ring.
The only thing that makes me still hopefull we might solve this via substitution is the thought that in this writing every letter might have two ways of writing it:
one with 3-rings and one with 5-rings
There was a lower/upper case dichotomy supposed, but looking at the distribution this is unlikely. It still might be that there is a 3-ring and 5-ring symbol that both correlate to 'e'.
That either could have been done to do exactly what's happening to us now - fuck with people who try to solve this thing with basic approaches - or it could actually hold some more meaning to it I don't see right now.
Point is:
we won't get anywhere with our current approach of substitution without drastically reducing the amount of unique characters.
That's why I propose the assumption that there are 'two' alphabets in use. If there are not, the alternatives are way more complicated and probably beyond what a few hobbyists (whithout really much experience) can do.
Oh also I am definetly positive that if it's a substituted script for a language it is NOT german.
There are simply no one letter words and very few two letter words in german.
>>17719698
>'WEST ABOUT __KE __A_N _EN _ _EAR'.
It's about a treasure Keanu Reeves buried five hundred years ago, right?
>>17719935
We shouldn't assume that the book doesn't use every English letter either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_quick_brown_fox_jumps_over_the_lazy_dog
>>17721198
the shortest way to do that in a sentence that even stretches to make some sense needs 29 letters out of our 113 available ones.
And then it would also still have to use 10 different numerals and/or puntuation signs.
For a substituation method to work the text has to mostly make sense. If it's just a bunch of random words we probably won't find out how to decipher it.
The only possibillity I see that there is an actual pangramm in the text is if it was put there deliberately. But then the distribution of where a character appears the first time makes me doubt that.
>>17721536
>>17721198
I have them visualized here.
I'd just find it immensely difficult using all 26 letters of the alphabet AND all numbers throughout a 113 character long text that also makes sense and isn't gibberish.
Especially if he uses 4 of the ten numbers only once.
Even if you approximately reserve ~5 characters for punctuation, there still has to be at least 5 characters reserved for numerals that are used AND the text has to be a pangramm.
The problem with presuming that there are two alphabets in use though is that we can't really know how much they intersect. So the 117 characters could consist of anything between 17 and 35 actual unique characters. But that is the only way I see we have a chance to go forward with this, since nearly all decoding attempts seem to run into a vowel problem.
Especially the last page is iffy.
It is the page with the largest amount of characters (28), but only once has it the character with the highest frequency in it.
That letter is also almost by all of us so far presumed to be the letter 'e'.
>>17719698
It's almost guaranteed that some of them are numbers, so those missing letters might be numbers. Maybe giving directions for a next clue or a meeting point or a hidden family treasure.
Just tuning in, how far have you guys gotten already?
>>17710407
If you guys can read those, then you can definitely read these. GL!
>>17723240
find of the century anon, holy shit.
>>17723365
Kek, but seriously, they look kinda the same. I was examining the one dollar bill when I stumbled across this thread.
Oh shit boys, I think I cracked it!
Did op ever talk to has grandfathers Freemason friends?
>>17724252
they didn't know anything about it.
>>17723846
Actually it says:
TRUMP
.PREZ
.2016
>>17724728
Trump shills go back to /pol/.
boop
>>17725042
beep
>>17725696
bloop
>>17725707
is this how we who can't solve this but are still interested contribute
>>17713676
Braille is 3 by 2
Nice progress gents.
Hi I'm new to this thread
Have you guys ever tried to find what gold or whatever material that is, would have react to?
It's probably not made from chainmail for no reason.
>>17726208
All we know is that the gold links are not just painted over, they are naturally that color. Brass or a composite or something.
![Shocked-frodo-gif[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/t5VGFFO.gif "Shocked-frodo-gif[1].gif")
>>17726208
>>17727077
>yfw some identical looking links actually have a lower specific density than others and would glow red hot in a fire
So /x/ is giving up? Perhaps we should should take it to /sci/ or /lit/...
maybe the first page last line shows a number like a year since theres few other characters that doesnt start on the upper left ring.
>>17728020
Lit probably won't help you -- most of us are too busy daveposting and trash talking John Green.
You might have some luck with the genre nerds, but they'll probably just Rp, and give up.
I haven't spent any time on /sci/ but I doubt they'll want to help.
>>17728020
Or it could be that the majority of people working on this thing were too embarrassed to admit that they were suckered by trolls.
>>17728076
That was proposed 2 threads ago and is at least my current theory.
Still, since they only ever appear in that specific place the only thing that is good for is getting the count of unique characters down.
Currently I would need to get accustomed to the zodiak programm in order to actually go forward and do anything with my double alphabet theory. Sadly rl is currently preventing me from really getting into that right now, though I likely can start getting into things again next weekend.
Personally I don't see any shame in getting help from wherever - the more people work on this the more reflections/proofing you get of your own findings and theories.
>>17728076
>>17729064
The problem is, the third one in the last line show up two more times. Unless 'space-characterA' is not the same as 'characterA-space', these could be anything, like a rarer letter, like x and q.
So, everyone gave up? Guy with the dead grandpa still alive, or Masons took him out?
Wait
How many chains are there in one line?
what is this? can someone brief? chain mail code? i can't grasp the thread
>>17731094
There are 23 chains in a line, 23 letters in old Latin alphabet sans J U W
>>17730999
>999
Trips state no.
I posted it on /sci/
>>17731339
Here's the thread, in case anybody wants to update them on what we have and haven't tried. I would do that but I just joined in 2 days ago.
>>>/sci/8096596
Somebody on /sci/ tied the Freemasons to Hebrew, is it possible that's the language? This could fix some of the problems our decrypting programs have run into.
>>17731949
good luck finding a decrypt program for fucking Hebrew.
>>17731949
if it's a jew code maybe it indicate where they hide all the gold? can you imagine !
Ok guys, I've worked out about half (I think). I'll post my findings in a few days once I'm back from work.
You guys were right when you said it was a double alphabet... and from what I've found its written in English.
I'm not going to devote any time or effort into proving or disproving your claims. But cryptography that exists in chain mail is pretty interesting.
However, like any other cryptographic message, there must be an understanding of the author and his intentions if the solution is to be found. Trying to solve cryptographic code without any clues is practically impossible.
It is not something you want to be wasting your time on.
>>17732216
Any hints on what you found to connect one character with its corresponding one?
Bumping this thread with this, in case it turns out that this whole thing is just made up bullshit.
We can speak in Okeradatabe, the tongue of Echs.
Did anyone try "Braille"
>>17733762
>yes
Bunch of idiots, it's hebraic
>>17733823
Some of them do match up if you draw the ring patterns out connect-the-dots style, but not nearly enough of them
I can't even tell if this thread is getting slid or bumped anymore. I just hope the guy who said he's partially figured out the double-alphabet theory is still working on it.
>>17734462
Here is a shitty script I did a few days ago by connecting the Rings. I think its Hebrew based
You guys realize that all these images are mirror images, right?
>>17734692
Based on?
>>17734692
I don't know what you mean by "all these images" but yes we're aware you can see the rings on the "backs" of pages but those arrangements are more spread out so are less likely to have significance. We're also aware that the code could require reading from bottom to top and/or left to right.
I'm under the impression that some people have fed reversed and rearranged code into the decryption software but I personally haven't. If you think you could make some progress by all means give it a try as it's one of the things I specifically said needed to be done in the OP of this thread.
>>17734688
>mfw the chainmail book is a codex of sacred Masonic emojis
>>17734720
These are what I drew the shitty script off of. Some ARE Hebrew. Like "gimmel"
>>17734737
What was deleted?
>>17734720
Page 2 of these is still faulty.
I have posted the corrected pictures a bit later in the thread, as well as versions with enumerated lines and background highlighted characters.
>>17715706
Here's the compiled version of all pages.
>>17734742
Someone basically just referencing the old versions of the ring-by-ring counted pictures I made.
>>17733522
This better not be some Echs fucking thing. Some asshole who just happened to be able to make chainmail and worships the /x/ god. FFS.
>>17710407
Read it down chain, reading from top to bottom, as morse code.
Then it becomes clear.
>>17734668
Still working on it in my spare time, but there isn't nearly enough hours in my schedule till this weekend to try and solve the rest.
>>17732621
I ran it through a monoalphabetic program a friend of mine at the university has. I'm not sure if its 100% accurate yet. I'm leaning toward the idea it is, but only because the words that have currently been formed make sense.
>>17735160
You could always just post what you have, since the whole thing is less characters than a tweet
>>17734868
This looks promising. Does the first page start with TENTH?
OP, I'm asking this in both threads, is your granddad Albanian?
>>17735905
no. German ancestry, born in America.
>>17735221
Yes.
>>17734868
>>17735221
>>17736866
So, what does it say?
>>17734868
down chain? whaddaya mean?
>>17738270
I was wondering this too.
>>17738270
>>17739913
Instead of reading it from right to left, read it from top to bottom,
for that is the natural way of things on Earth
>>17739920
>for that is the natural way of things on Earth
>implying this is not an alien artifact
Alien chain metal weaving ftw
>>17739920
Just post what it means- how the fuck does morse code work when chainmail is used? Nothing differentiates the dots from the dashes.
>>17739920
Fuck off eith your bullshit, namefaggot
>>17710407
>Chain Mail
hehe, that's good
So is anyone gonna deliver or fucking what?
>>17742440
Just wait
The main contributors need free time to work on this shit
>>17742440
God, give them some time... The craft shop probably ran out of supplies.
>>17744073
It's obvious they know nothing, just wanted seem intelligent.
>>17735221
bump
I'll do this when I find the time
>>17747286
As I said in the OP any reordering of the characters using any rationale that can result in decryptable word patterns, even in fragments can then on a case by case basis be manually compared to the rest of the code. This is the most mundane way to put brute force to work at cracking a cipher and I strongly recommend using fragments as I feel the double-alphabet theory of this particular double-encoding is still the most likely so you would get your best results by decrypting a fragment that contained no repeated letters.
>>17711200
oh, i see
Could someone give me a tl;dr of all of this?
>>17747366
Some guy has a book made out of chain mail that has a code in it. We're attempting to decipher it..
>>17747366
Not spoopy
Not arg
We aren't pretending It's anything more than what we currently have
Just a code in a chain mail book
>>17747544
We don't even know for sure if there is a code.
>>17747554
It's clearly a code. Anyone who tried to deny that is just making excuses for their laziness and probably fat too.
Bump for truth
>>17744073
They had enough time. Now they need to deliver.
>>17753373
And who the fuck are you to put a time limit on how long people need?
I know this is fucking 4chan but some of us have jobs and responsibilities
Guess what /x/. /sci/ beat you to uncovering the ruse and finding the answer.
>>>/sci/8112228
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>>17755022
Fuck you, delete this now.
>>17754868
>>17755022
>mfw it really WAS a code
I was a naysayer, and I was wrong.
Original OP here. I'm disappointed you weren't able to solve it.
>>17755608
That doesn't surprise me at all. What surprised me was that /sci/ didn't get it either, they just uncovered the ruse. Still, it was good while it lasted. Great idea and fun threads.
>>17755616
/sci/ isn't smarter than any other board.
>>17755621
>>>/sci/8097440
>>>/sci/8097467
These guys knew it was binary at least but they didn't quite get it to odd-parity ASCII. They were very close.
Not to mention >>17712758 which received no replies.
>>17755022
>>17755022
>LOCKED IN THE APEX OF A MAZE ,THE WISE QUERY BUT NEVER JUDGE
ZEST ABOUT LIFE CAN VEX DEATH'S WARY QUALMS
; G O J O K E ,P L A Y .
>>17755608
>>17755629
>It was just a load of hokum
This is why I didn't actually put any real effort into it myself though now I'm upset with myself for even starting the two follow up threads on it. I would never have tried any kind of modern coding like ascii because then it would have obviously been more modern than being worth a damn which surprise it wasn't. Maybe it will be to your grandson when he actually is going through your junk after you die. Also, I feel like you lied about it being magnetic.
>>17755022
Is this really it?
>>17723240
Is it just me or is there a code on the side of the pyramid? why are we not working towards this!!!
>>17756553
I like to think that the OP story could have been a future post by my grandson, yeah. Everything I said was true from that perspective. And the pages are indeed magnetic. They're made from bailing wire.
>>17756558
yes
