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This thread is for the spirited discussion of CRT displays - Televisions, monitors and projectors used for the playing of retro games!
>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.
Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories
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Someone in Canada please help me find a decent pvm
>>3061787
City?
Please forgive me for not knowing what I'm really talking about but the picture on my Trinitron is tilted slightly, just enough that it's noticable. Is this normal or should I look into fixing it somehow?
On another note am I always supposed to see overscan in stuff like Genesis games or is that unusual too? Once again I'm sorry for sounding like an idiot.
>>3061825
Picture will tilt depending on position in the room
Time to choose a thread.
>>3061849
This one, because of the cutie anime gril as the thread picture
>>3061219
Who is Rami?
>>3061952
Keio Flying Squadron
Fun PAL facts: A magazine demo disk contained the full game hidden behind a level select cheat. Europe also got the sequel, but not USA
>>3061787
I used Ebay in Montreal couldn't find anything
>been looking at crts on craigslist for 7 years
>since the very beginning, one listing has popped on my search every time
Who the fuck has the time to keep listing this shit?
>>3062183
Theres some guy selling a couple including a 20l5 for 400? In Gatineau on kijiji
>>3062250
I'd just buy it to make the guy feel better
>>3062250
>7 years
I'm convinced he has more than one. He HAS to have more than one, right?
There is literally nothing retro or even video games related about this thread
So I picked up this Sony at Goodwill for 13$ after seeing rgb on the back. Now I'm looking a little closer and I realize I don't have a single cable that will connect to this. Can someone tell me what it is I need to start using this?
>>3062378
http://retrorgb . com/scarttodisplay.html
here you go bruh. You'll need this and the SCART that comes out of the console you decide to hook up.
>>3062378
Those are BNC connectors. Every PVM has those and only those.
For RGB, you need a SCART -> BNC breakout cable. Or you can modify your consoles to output the signal over RCA jacks. You'll want pic related for the second option.
If you're just being cheap you can just use s-video cable, but it's a waste of a PVM
>>3062396
that pvm doesnt support component so that pic related wont work
>>3062452
Where did I say component?
I want a PVM/BVM so bad man. There's nothing in Oklahomo
>>3061825
You can fix it by actually opening it up and adjusting the yoke, but you can seriously mess it up too, it's also pretty dangerous so I'd just deal with it unless it's pretty crazy. Some of the higher end trinitrons have a tilt adjustment in the menu so look around.
Usually it's not normal to see the overscan unless whoever had it before made the picture smaller to fit more on it like I do. You can fix it by adjusting the geometry in the hidden service menu.
>>3062610
There is a decent writeup on how to mod the pic related sony crts for rgb on schmups
>>3062378
>13$ PVM
That's a damn good deal you got there anon.
>>3062610
you piece of crap i just got done playing g darius.
i suck at it did like a weaving midde route down up down up middle.
>>3062610
Seriously Im not kidding Oklahomo sucks
>>3061825
Overscan/Underscan is a bit normal in my experience for the Genesis. Stuff like Sonic 2 at the very least have a bit of the background layer visible in most situations.
>>3061985
I actually found out, shortly taking that picture, that since there wasn't any PAL optimization done to Keio 2 EU, it runs absolutely perfectly on an NTSC system if you just patch the region coding.
>>3062452
For making use of their already existing cables, those would work fine for composite.
>>3062716
Many Goodwills already went through that shit last year, so it's actually a bit surprising that it's just going into effect there now.
Okay so, I got home with the pvm and got an RCA adapter so I could at least test the image even though it won't be great. I'm getting a reddish tint on everything, pic related, should be black
>>3062773
red drive too high?
there are literally no sd sets in my area. Should I take my Old Sanyo in to get serviced? (flat tube ypbpr in) $50 to set purity, convergence, and geometry adjusted and service menu optimized? picture still looks good and i have the remote.
>>3062632
Would it look any good though? I thought PVMs look good because of the high quality phosphors that they use.
Got a link to the mod?
>>3062773
which pvm?
might be able to fix it in the menus
if not there should be a pot inside
>>3062820
it looks brety gud to me
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=56155
Composite on a pvm and consumer set is going to look very similar, high quality phosphors or not
>>3062819
Called "bias" in the menus. IF that's what's wrong. "Gain" is the amplification, "bias" is the background level. That's how you adjust individual colours within the brightness/contrast settings.
Well, as briefly chronicled in the repair thread >>3063136 my wonderful BVM-2010P has left us for a better place, a place abundant in aperture grills and electrons. As the acrid deathsmoke still fills my lungs I remember the first time I saw the mega drive in RGB on you. I remember picking you up from the auction yard battered and bruised and cleaning you up. I enjoyed many games on you in our short time together. I will never have a CRT as great as you. Though you were getting on in years you still had clarity and grace.
~1989 - 2016~
RIP
Approx. 200,000 hours of service (no seriously)
>>3063208
RIP, I have it's little bro the 1410, it's a wonderful monitor. And all analog makes it pro and old-school at the same time.
For how much time did you have it ?
>>3063208
my 14 inch bvm has been retired since i got a 20 inch pvm
it feels bad man
my pvm has unfixable convergence issues (without strips that is and maybe even with them)
the bvm 89 model as well
its weight and heat make me feel like it belongs in a museum
let me get this straight
you killed it?
and youre right unless you pay out the ass for a newer model bvm you wont find anything better
>>3063216
Thanks, I've had it from about start of last year I think. I have a few pvms but nothing compares. Thinking of going the xrgb route now. Also anyone who wants a dead bvm for parts and is in SE qld say so.
>>3063208
Was this one of the Auschoice ABC sets from last year?
>>3063232
>you killed it?
I guess so anon although I'm not sure how.
>>3063246
Yes
Okay I bought a rack to hold my rack mountable BVM and my 20L5. I hope it can handle the weight of both monitors. It supposedly can hold 300lbs but still I'm not willing to test that number.
Also how in the world am I going to hold up my BVM while screwing it into the rack?
>>3063287
im not sure but i need to see pictures when you get it setup ;)
>>3063287
Lay everything on its side/upside down.
![IMG_20160314_132928[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zf8m5bJ.jpg "IMG_20160314_132928[1].jpg")
>>3063208
So I tried the power again after I had taken all the panels off and it doesn't boot and degauss but makes a 'sizzling' sound and emits more of the smell. I have checked the fuse at the psu and it isn't blown. Are there any other fuses/things I should check? There's no visual signs of destruction at the back. Seems such a shame to chuck it away as it's so well built.
>>3063529
dont try to power it on unless you think youve fixed it
if you cant find help here i suggest making a thread on shmups
>>3062819
If that's the only option, yes. Its only $50. Any further questions should be asked on the board. This thread is the neo-geo forum of /vr/
>>3063538
>neo-geo forum
no and fuck that place
So having not yet fixed my underlying issue, here's a pic of my slightly red tinted pvm, using composite unfortunately since I have not yet gotten the rgb cables I need
>>3063536
will do, thx
>>3063540
It is, the title should be changed to pro monitor general. Consumer sets, Newbs, kids, poorfags ask somewhere else.
>>3063570
At least it was cheap. That looks worse than my generic composite only set.
>>3061810
Toronto
>>3063627
Yeah, still a bummer tho since it isn't every day you see a pvm in Goodwill. Gonna see if there are any people around that can fix it up, although most of those businesses aren't around anymore
>>3063570
what model pvm?
just find the fucking service manual man
you maybe able to fix it through the menus anyway
average /crt/ problem
>guys i have *easy to fix problem*
>go to the service menu and fix it
>guys i can't fix it how do i fix it
>go to the service menu and fix it
>i think it's broken i'm asking for a refund
protip: go to the service menu and fix it
>>3063751
Did you reduce the red bias?
>>3063529
What were symptoms did you see before it died. That way everyone knows what to look out for.
>>3064004
i heard it before i saw it,. I guess don't try Flux on a Everdrive MD, fuck knows why though.
>>3063536
>if you cant find help here i suggest making a thread on shmups
that forum moves at a glacial pace. Haven't even had my thread approved yet :(
>>3064050
>threads need to be approved
What's your audio setup like /crt/?
>>3062378
If you are in a hurry you can do S-video to get a quick fix of retro action on this monitor. SNES, PSX/PS2, N64 all look great on Sony RGB monitors via S-Video. S-video cables are still easy to come by for these systems as well. Just go to Gamestop and ask for the "Legacy video game A/V cable"
>>3064198
I was gonna respond but then I hit back and lost my response. Fuck it.
>>3063631
Check kijiji daily
Anything under $100 is a good price these days
>>3064551
Nvm, I found the setting after some more trial and error. Now to get cables
>>3064198
I've got a pair of headphones I use.
Eventually I plan to get a pair of speakers to plug into my receiver.
Atari 2600 via S-video on PVM-14M2
>>3065124
>>3065129
That convergence is super messed up
>>3063529
Sounds like frying bacon?
That's often a dirty, dusty or damaged anode cap, or rust on the shatter hook that makes contact with the anode. If that's the case, the tube isn't building up enough voltage across the dielectric, it's leaking out preferentially into the dag coating. Hence the sound.
Power off, discharge safely, and have look. The cap and glass should be wiped down with IPA, and the hook and anode can be sanded back or wirebrushed clean. Just be careful not to damage the rubber cap, I imagine replacing a damaged one is a pain.
>>3065309
Oh, and the smell is probably ozone. Don't get hooked :)
>>3065309
Oh, and if you are wiping the tube down around the anode, respect the bare glass ring/ring isolated around the anode. Only wipe that bit, and don't keep wiping away at the black dag coating over the bulk of the tube - that's meant to be there. Sometimes it comes off like dirt and grime on older sets.
And for Pete's sake be careful discharging if you've never done it before.
>>3065331
isint that grease around the back of the tube and under the anode cap just Vaseline?
>>3065360
Never heard of vaseline being used. Wouldn't hurt, but I would hardly consider it beneficial, let alone necessary. Anything goopy can go, I can tell you that much. But the graphite coating of the tube needs to stay. Tends to be harder than the grime that builds up but can often still be rubbed away. Cleaning around the cap might be required, but the rest of the tube can stay dirty if it has to.
>>3065167
Sshhh it's just my test monitor on my bench: >>3057317
It's on the list.
I was blown away by the quality, despite my convergence issues. I have only seen VCS via RF, from this exact Atari. It was especially snowy, an issue I never could fix. Hence the svideo mod.
>>3065360
>>3065506
me again.... on reflection, are you sure it's vaseline? Have you seen it on new sets? On older sets the HV lines and flyback have preferentially attracted/created soooooo much particulate matter they're basically black, and that stuff turns into thick grime. Or, possibly, the particles turn some sort of greasy substance like vaseline, that was already there, into black grime.
I've certainly never heard anyone recommend using vaseline or anything like it around the anode cap.
Just a tip, something I discovered that I don't hear talked about much:
If you're trying to get RGB from a PS1, buy some generic 'universal' A/V cables, the kind that have both composite and component leads. Use the composite line as the sync line and the component lines for RGB. Works like a dream, and no need to find a SCART cable and SCART -> BNC adapter. You can use a sync stripper if you really feel the need but I have not seen any difference in video quality.
>>3065560
link to an example?
I thought most of those were unshielded rubbish :) But I might be wrong. I just bought the really cheap component cables from ebay for the fully-populated plug, and made my own :) Amazing the difference good shielding makes.
>>3065519
I'm pretty sure its dielectric grease/silicone grease and if true you can substitute it with Vaseline
>>3065709
Ok, google shows that some manufacturers did use it. I never knew that. It's never been there on any set I've seen, even newer ones. And while the older ones have grime, there's never any distinction between under/inside and outside the anode cap, it's all just black grime.
not entirely relevant, but is there anything I should know or look for when buying a multimeter? much difference between a $10 one and a $30+ one?
im obviously not much of a technician, but i may get into some minor modding and it's not like im gonna throw it away
>>3065904
Don't go for auto ranging I guess. I really like my uni-t
>>3065560
You can do the same thing if you have a set of component cables and a guncon adapter; Use the component lines for R, G, and B and the composite breakout of the guncon for sync.
>>3066053
kid chameleon. and thanks
>>3065904
Looks like MF doom lmao
>>3065975
whats wrong with an rgb scart guncon connector
http://www.ebay.com/itm/55-1990-Sony-PSX-RGB-with-Guncon-PSX200-/121163010978?hash=item1c35e0d3a2:g:HNkAAOxyJmhSFNTP
pretty cheap and effective and the seprate audio out makes it easy to route audio
>>3066079
All Caps when you spell the mans name.
>>3066265
Nothing at all.
Was just pointing out another way to go about getting RGBS using items you may already have.
>>3066318
sounds cool id like to see the result
does it still work with the guncon?
Been a while, new BT-H1390YN pic.
Composite from a famicom I modded.
>>3065560
All fine and good, but composite video as sync sucks ass. I despise SCART because it (if used in the standard way) uses composite video for sync. I am the one who drilled holes in the back of his SNES for RCA jacks to output R/G/B/CSync so I could use normal cables.
The whole screen will move left and right when it gets bright or dark.
>>3064198
Bluetooth transmitter to Bluetooth headphones
>>3066327
If you have a way to intercept the composite line before it connects up your monitor, I don't see why it wouldn't.
I specifically bought that for grabbing sync with a component cable, so I can't say explicitly or not.
>>3064198
Two of these. The big one is 9" diameter.
Designed a circuit that I think should convert TTL-level sync (obtained by doing something like taking csync from a genesis and putting it into a buffer or both inputs of an AND gate IC like the 7408) and convert it into a more 'normal'/compatible sync signal. That said, not had problems with the 7408 method without this circuit yet, so I've not had a chance to try it out.
>>3066265
the fact that it's scart and thus requires another cable to actually make it useful anywhere outside europe.
AV modded another of my famicoms, this one was in such clean shape (almost flawless controller decal plates, pearly white case) that I didn't want to drill holes in the side of the case. This necessitated replacing the RF modulator/power supply board (the famicom is fucking CRAMPED inside), but it worked out well. Pic.
Using a TRS jack for audio and video output. Hot glue was used to hold the PCB down (no way to screw it in) and to hold the jacks in place on the back. Justifiable use IMO since it didn't substitute for solder or coat any PCB's like a Drakon job.
another angle
aand back together.
>>3066337
God, I had a big pair of Jensen 3 ways when I lived in Canada. Had to sell them when I moved out. I miss them dearly, they sounded amazing.
Nice stuff man.
>>3066337
>mfw the state of the foams on those squawkers...
Jesus m8. Get them refoamed.
>>3066337
What amp are yoy using m8?
>>3066392
*resurrounded.
I do that for a job.
The mids will never sound the same if I do it and they currently sound fine. I did the bass speaker because it actually needed it and the sound was suffering.
>>3066446
Yamaha rx-v365 or something. Gonna try to get my hands on a vintage marantz or Fisher amp eventually.
>>3066375
no way! seems like no one knows Jensen now.
Neat.
>>3066270
You discharge it exactly the same way as any other tube - CAREFULLY.
Essentially the glass of the tube acts as a dielectric between the Anode spider and the DAG (aqueous graphite paint) coating the outside. The tube is a massive capacitor, and the dielectric is so effective you can build up 25+ kilovolts between the two. So effective that once discharged the electrons can keep leaking and build up *more* charge, so if you don't handle it for 15 minutes, discharge again.
To discharge it, you connect one side of the capacitor to the other side. There is a ground wire running around the outside of the tube, normally a braided metal thing on springs that's touching the DAG, and you make a connection between that and the shatter hook/anode (under the cap). The best way to do this is with a thick piece of wire. There are lots of guides that tell you to wrap wire around screwdriver, but personally I'd go to a Jaycar and buy stuff that's at least 25A capacity, and then solder that to the blade of a flat-ended screwdriver, and then house the handle of *that* in industrial rubber hose. You want to be as far from the metal of it as possible, and as far from the other end too. You've already soldered an aligator clip to the other end, now connect that to the grounding wire around the tube, first, and ease the screwdriver blade under the rubber of the anode cap. While doing this, steer clear of everything else. Don't let anyone touch you; wear rubber soles; stay away from other wires and anything metal. Keeping your other hand in your pocket is a good idea to begin with, until you remember not to lean on anything around the set. It's a tiny, tiny amount of charge, like a thousandth of a grain of rice worth of energy, but it's at 20+kV so it'll blow you across the room. It almost certainly won't kill you unless you're old and weak, but it'll hurt like blazes and still be pretty serious.
cont...
>>3066516
in the meantime it doubles as a RGB console switchbox for my monitors. I use Y/Pb/Pr for G/B/R, and the composite video input gets fed csync instead.
>>3066524
>'connect one side of the capacitor to the other.'
He means this metaphorically, there is no capacitor in the traditional sense. He is telling you to short the anode cap to ground.
Clarification of accurate but somewhat flowery language.
>>3066524
In all likelihood the BVM will have an auto-discharge circuit like newer CRTs do, but you can never be too careful. So you might hear the pop, and you might not. Do it a few times.
Once you're satisfied you touched the metal of the shatter hook with the blade, and other end was connected, peel back the rubber anode cap from one side and have a look. Most shatter hooks are two prongs spring-tensioned into the anode hole, kinda like two tines of a fork bent outwards halfway down. Squeeze them together and remove them from the hole.
If it's another kind of shatter hook, try to figure it out.
And MFG if you do any of this with the power on, you'll kill yourself quick. Make sure of everything first, and do it SLOWLY.
>>3066270
Like this, sans binderclips if avoidable.
I removed the entire neck assembly in my PVM-20L5 to get a convergence strip permalloy unstuck from the deflection yoke. There's my authority.
The black lead is clipped to the wire hooked to the spring the other guy mentioned on the chassis.
In other news, I just RGB hacked an Australian composite-only consumer set from a HN e-waste bin. Pic related.
Fuck
Yes
>>3066528
The tube acts as a giant capacitor. So yeah, there is one. That's also why the term dielectric is used about CRTs.
pic so you can see screwdriver
>>3066542
In progress, obviously, but oboy i had fun :) I knew nothing about CRT's or about electronics like 18months ago, then I found this forum. Much love to the anons here, and to the tripfags too, for all the help.
>>3066542
Yes, I am aware. But I was majing sure he knew he wasn't supposed to bridge every electrolytic on the board. 'capacitor' usually refers to traditional capacitors that are only intended to store charge. This is a side effect on CRT's. I was, as I said, clarifying.
>>3066547
Ahhh, my mistake. Yeah, not one of the little ones on the boards. Just the big fuck off one that's made of glass and shows the picture :)
>>3066550
Some of the electrolytics can get pretty big. When people look at a picture tube their first thought isn't "that's just a giant capacitor." It's "that's a picture tube."
>>3066546
And fuck me it's syncing up to 16.22kHz atm! That's great. It'll so make the best 15kHz arcade tube evar.
aforementioned contaminant in the yoke.
>>3066567
Jungle chip, output side, plus a THS7314 amp to get the signal to the 2V level required.
Essentially I'm feeding 2V RGB direct to the neckboard. Or 2V R-no-G-or-B, so far.
>>3066329
>Famicom I modded
Now it's hard to tell because there's not much bright in that picture, but I can't really see any jailbars.
What did you do to get rid of them? Mine has them like crazy (bought it pre-modded and haven't been bothered to fix it thus far).
>>3066651
lifting PPU video out (pin 21 ?) removes almost all jailbars.
removing the rest requires replacing a bunch of capacitors.
>>3066694
How about just removing the transistor that feeds into the RF circuit? Or will the parasitic capacitance between the traces on the motherboard still be too high?
>>3066697
underside traces are causing most of jailbars.
>>3066697
>>3066712
if you wanna use the transistor, either lift pin or cut trace, and also lift transistor pin
>>3066529
Its a 1989 tube
Likely wont have any newer crt features
>>3064481
I have an app that autochecks both kijiji.ca and Craigslist regularly throughout the day. In over 6 months it's only turned up about 2 decent pvms/bvms in a reasonable distance away from me. I just missed out on a 14L5 for $100. Even though I msged the guy 5-10 minutes after the ad was posted, he said he got multiple emails before mine. People are rabid for these things in Toronto some they barely show up here.
>>3066913
Damn, glad I stocked up before they got really popular.
Good luck with the search anon
>>3066651
Oh, this one has some jailbars.
My other modded one has them pretty close to gone, and I think it just had a lot to do with the positioning of the wire.
And yeah, I did lift pin 21 from the board on both of them. It helps some.
>>3066712
I've found that more noise comes from the static RAM sitting immediately north of the PPU.
RC Pro Am is probably the BEST game to test for jailbars with that I've found.
>>3066985
Note that they are not as visible in most games, though they are definitely present.
A more typical level of jailbar-itude. Barely even there.
>>3066341
>1 Vpp Sync
Why not 0.3Vpp Sync like a normal composite/Y signal?
Also why not filter out the DC offset with a 220µF capacitor?
>>3067030
because DC offset doesn't matter. The NTSC standard specifies everything in Vpp (peak-to-peak voltage). And 1Vpp seems to be the pseudo standard for raw composite sync.
>>3066330
Maybe on the SNES, but the PS1, or at least the SCPH-1001 models seem to do just fine with using composite as sync. I can't tell a difference between the two, though I do only have a 600 line monitor.
Though I guess I could have even used official sony component cables and pulled composite off the jack on the back if i didn't want generic cables.
>>3066392
>squawkers
LMFAO!
>>3067079
>because DC offset doesn't matter.
Because these inputs are designed to take AC coupled signals. That's why a DC offset doesn't have any noticeable effect here.
But using a capacitor for AC coupling can also serve as protection, if mistakenly connected to another output which possibly outputs a rather high voltage and/or allows to draw high current.
For audio it makes it easy to mix it from stereo to mono or reduce the stereo separation and for video it makes it simple to mix S-Video into composite, both can be done without any risk because of the lack of a DC offset.
>The NTSC standard specifies everything in Vpp (peak-to-peak voltage)
The real NTSC standard used to specify everything in IRE (which is another unit for voltage).
Vpp is actually used in technical manuals/specifications.
>And 1Vpp seems to be the pseudo standard for raw composite sync.
>pseudo standard
Now that's a great reason, why use real standards if fully made up pseudo standards can be used instead.
I get the idea that some rather low quality TV sets can sync better to it but that's more like a cheap hack to get it working.
I would at least include alternative value for the last resistor to get 0.3Vpp output and a 220µF capacitor marked with "* Optional, use to remove DC offset".
>>3067092
That's what they're known as m8
In between a woofer and a tweeter...
>>3066283
What's in a name?
>>3067163
The term I always use at work is mid-ranges or 'mids'. But I'd probably understand what a customer meant.
>>3067159
If the real standard doesn't work properly on every single monitor I try, where this should theoretically, why use the pseudo standard?
Also, I've looked at a scan of a book published by NTSC in 1943 which says a normal video signal (including sync and true white) is 0.7vpp.
>>3067159
yes, also, because I am a moron and will combine two different sync signals without any buffering.
>>3067086
my SCPH-5501 has the same problem my SNES does.
>>3067184
It was a quote of his (DOOM's) from All caps. It's an iconic song of his and I figured since you mentioned him that you'd get my reference.
>>3067203
It was some other anon. I'm not down with the rap.
Don't worry about it.
>>3066715
or do what I did and put the transistor on the replacement AV board.
Pictured: best pic I have where you can see the wire running from pin 21. Actually this long wire before amplicifation might be one of the reasons I still have jailbars, now that I think of it.
I might be moving it again, then.
>>3067209
forgot pic
>>3067209
you need to replace capacitors to get rid of the remaining bars.
Do TVs often support NTSC and PAL in Europe?
If I get a PAL crt since I'm UK, is there a chance it can also support NTSC, or are they locked into one or the other?
Anyone know how to adjust the horizontal hold on a PVM-8041Q? The service manual tells me to turn a dial in the innards that doesn't seem to exist and I can't figure out if there's a service menu or not.
>>3067312
Whoops, wrong image.
>>3067315
You also deleted what you wanted to ask so nobody knows what they're looking at.
>>3067296
It depends. Most should take the 60Hz just fine. The problems arise with the colour signal. Some sets display NTSC images in black and white over composite. If you use RGB (which you should, almost all UK TVs with a SCART input support this), you can bypass this issue.
I've had good results on my CRT with RGB, but composite NTSC only displays in black and white. YMMV.
>>3067317
Great thanks, still a pain having to get two different consoles to play games from all regions. Is a modded console the better option?
>>3067321
Oh sorry I misread and it says file deleted.
Genuinely didn't know you could delete the image without deleting the post, sorry m8
>>3067312
Look for holes in the PCB to stick your screwdriver into. They'll probably be labelled.
>>3067212
>nes carts on a famicom
what is this unholy union
>>3067328
pin converter
>>3067327
But that's the thing anon, the pot the manual tells me to turn isn't there.
>>3067351
yes but famicom has the superior carts
>>3067362
For me they were all in multiple places. The manual only referred to the pots on the back pcb, but I found my geometry adjustment on the leftmost pcb. Have you closely inspected all of the pcb's?
>>3067296
with jp brands like sony, sanyo, there's a good chance that it accepts NTSC through phono jack or phono to scart adapter.
>>3067323
definitively, even more if you use RGB connections. Megadrive model 1 are dead easy to switch, Super Nintendo are a bit trickier but still plenty doable. Playing full screen and original speed makes it all worthwhile too
>>3067365
They always looked like chink knockoff video games, desu.
Their compact size is nice, but for some reason I always get the "FAKE" vibe when I see them.
>>3067404
i legitimately love the designs, so varied and colorful. I need to buy a famicom.
>>3067551
>legitimately
Why did you feel the need to throw that word into your sentence? Is there some reason you would love a game in a illegitimate fashion? Like if you were forced to lie about it or something? Your posts are fucking dumb and you don't know how to speak English.
NRFB! NRFB!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/COMMODORE-1084-RGB-COLOR-MONITOR-Amiga-Video-NEVER-REMOVED-FROM-BOX-/222049319248?hash=item33b32bb950:g:0hYAAOSwoudW4ZXw
>>3067556
anon you are unkind
>>3066825
If it existed before then, and there's no reason it couldn't have, it'll be in the BVM. That model was the ultimate, back then.
>>3067295
If I keep acquiring CRT's the wife will kill me. I have about 10 as it is. Only one consumer set right now, but i might replace some arcade tubes depending on tate results :)
And the guy with the 20L5 isn't me. I prefer a more solid arrangement when discharging than bulldog clips would provide. Using that shit on an old arcade tube would be terrifying, the sparks are pretty furious as it is.
>>3067404
>chink knockoff video games, desu.
That's because they were the base for famiclone bootleg games you genius.
>but for some reason I always get the "FAKE" vibe when I see them.
You're irredeemable.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tested-Ikegami-TM14-17R-14-Color-Broadcast-Video-Monitor-Display-Good-Screen-/231871863269?hash=item35fca3d9e5:g:ZNoAAOSw14xWN5Ua
this is a pretty good deal guys
the seller keeps relisting it and lowering the price
i almost feel bad for the little ike
>>3067704
Just bought it m8, sucks to be you LOL
>>3067213
Not necessarily... I want to see what happens if I wire the transistor straight to the leg of pin 21 (with no intravenous space). I've seen the page you refer to, and also feel like I could find cheaper capacitors that will cut it (and probably get away with only replacing the few that are actually in circuit as opposed to nearly all of them).
>>3067365
I know it has superior carts, but sadly the powerpak and one version of EDN8 are 72 pin carts.
Powerpak is way better than the N8, btw. can't find a single strategy RPG that works without bugs on the N8 (tried Fire Emblem 1, 2, and 'Just Breed').
Anyway, I don't read japanese so the majority of my famicom carts are useless right now.
>>3067556
He probably said legitimately in order to contrast himself with the anon who hated them. As in 'actually, I love how colorful they are.'
If he said 'literally', I'd legitimately be foaming at the mouth with you.
>>3067637
Where are you located? I might be in the market for a CRT repair guy. Do they still exist?
I haven't had to look yet but our old repair guy retired. I have an old wood panel CRT that I'd love to save but it would require repair at this point. I think it's older than me.
apologies for shitty soldering but pic of adapter mod.
The adapter was connected wrong for MMC5 compatibility (just bridged /A13 and CE on either side) and I also mapped expansion audio onto it.
The two bridged pins on one end of the adapter are okay since both of those go to the unused expansion port on the bottom of a NES. I was too lazy to figure out which one my flash carts were using for audio.
The extra solder everywhere is because I was younger and inexperienced when I did this.
Also note that the space between the CE and A13 pins (blue and green wires) had to be cut with a knife.
After doing this, Castlevania 3 worked. Note that CV3 on the EDN8 worked without this mod because it's MMC5 implementation is absolute dog shit.
Real CV3 carts don't work without this fixed, though.
>>3067757
Not the same guy, but what's wrong with it? I've fixed my own CRT's before. I'm in northeast indiana.
And in use on the fancy modded famicom.
It begins.
>>3067825
man thats awesome
how far does the bvm stick out of the rack?
1/2
does anyone have experience with the psuedo 240p on an RGB 201 Rxi?
ive tested it with every individual pot and i cant seem to get rid of the image 'curling' (and shaking slightly) at the top
im using SOG from the wii component to the HD15 input (i know it isnt the adapter because i bought another one to test and it didnt change)
having the serration impulses on helps it but doesnt remove the problem
the vfc settings (my bvm has them) dont affect it
like i said ive tested every single pot and none of them have any affect on the curling or shaking
i can use the centering knobs to move the curling up out of view but that doesnt change the shaking
is my unit simply malfunctioning? ive seen people on shmups forum with the same setup
>>3067953
forgot pic 1/2
>>3067953
>>3067959
>>3067942
A few inches. Sticks out less than I expected.
>>3067965
interesting
you arent using rails on the sides of your 14"?
is it secured by just a shelf or the rear screws on the casing?
im the anon above you with a tower of power very similar and im thinking about selling the 14" but the rackmounting idea is very attractive
i wish that other rack-anon would show up
>>3067825
I'd get a BVM but I can't find one free or super-cheap (sub-$100). So I'll stick with my 20L5.
I have the mounting brackets for my 20L5, but EIA 19 inch half-racks are stupidly expensive.
>>3067953
Not go experience with that unit, but do with scalers in general.
Just get a fucking 15khz-capable CRT.
If you go for a JVC one or a Panasonic one or one of the other non-sony monitors, you can even get them at sane prices for 10 to 20-year-old equipment.
If you don't need RGB but are satisfied with s-video (trust me, it's only very marginally lower grade than RGB in the case of the 1chip SNES - just as crisp, a little less saturated), just get an old Commodore monitor with Y/C input and a passive S-video adapter.
>>3067714
Not him, but I love Ikegami, such beautiful screens. And he never said he was planning to buy it, so you can't really one-up him m8.
>>3067757
Hobart... but I'm just a tinkerer. I feel like every CRT problem i've fixed has been simple and obvious. I can't even remember how to use an oscilloscope, and there's a good deal of trial and error in my methods, so probably not the best idea.
>>3067986
w-what
those 2 are 15khz
im trying to use the pseudo 240p to force some 480i gba games to 240p and its giving me this curling
i already shocked myself with the bastard and i cant find any help online so im considering selling it
>>3067979
I want a multiformat so bad
Just won this off Ausfag ebay.
What inputs are on that expansion card, Composite?
And is D14L5 and different to a normal 14L5?
>Continue to scope Craigslist for a professional monitor
>Still fucking nothing
>Might be willing to settle for a basic consumer TV
>Almost nothingthat fits my criteria
If only I could find someone in the DFW to help me find something.
>>3068047
find a sony wega or kv SD model with component inputs
>>3067974
Do you mean one of those trays you can put a BVM on? Those are also only screwed in at the front as far as I know. Right now I'm just secure at the front and I moved the Samson support bar to the back underneath the BVM as a placebo support. The BVM seems secure as it doesn't move around.
>>3068046
SDI. You won't use it. Apparently that card is really expensive. The guy I bought my 20L5 from only lowered the price after removing the card.
>>3066392
Don't bother; he's a goddamned audiophile piece of shit who likes to boast about his busted fucking speakers.
>>3068070
http://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/td/i/100001-200000/190001-200000/190001-191000/190528.ps/_jcr_content/renditions/190528.jpg
these things
little rails that allow you to slide it out whatever you have mounted
i dont have much experience with racks but im glad now i know i wont have to buy rails
>>3068047
>>3068047
cmon. do really want a PVM/BVM?
. they make good retro pc monitor solutions, but for me they just are not good Console monitors they usually have mono sound, are usually small (anything over 20 inch is at least 500 dollars.)(and if it isn't 500 and you do get a deal...BRING A FRIEND they are heavy..can you pick a 220 lb cube up. straight-armed?)
I have a 20 incher thats in my garage just because the new RCA I have has really good speakers and built in speaker terminal. and picture is pretty fucking good in S-video.
>>3068121
what
20 inchers weigh less than 100 lb
they arent 500 dollars what the fuck are you smoking
>>3062623
It's not very dangerous unless you're a fuckwit. The deflection yoke is not where the high voltage is.
>>3067825
Would love a BVM, but as they don't seem to come under $100 and I got a PVM-20L5 for under that, I can cope. Still, nice rack.
If EIA 19 inch half-racks weren't so expensive, I'd have one. I have the mounting brackets for my 20L5.
>>3068121
>they usually have mono sound
What are external amp and speakers.
>500 dollars
no
>220 lb
no
>>3068009
Okay, you can force the GB player into outputting 240p with some homebrew. That's what I'd do. Deinterlacing is a poor solution anyway. And if your scaler has done an electrostatic discharge into you, I'd:
a) run away terribly fast
b) accept you fried the scaler.
>>3068121
>20"
>small
first world problems.
>>3068121
>mono sound
That really shouldn't matter. If you want good sound, you don't use built in speakers on any TV/Monitor. Get a separate set of nice stereo speakers.
Okay done senpai. Anons post your stacks.
>>3068087
Oh yeah I've used these at my job before. Can be a bit tricky since you have to mount in the back too.
>>3068159
Yeah my BVM was my second pickup a while ago before prices got inflated. Found a deal and I took it.
>>3068174
I was able to live using a pair of harman kardons that came with a dell desktop around 11 years ago. And anyway, yeah, you know why the speakers in pro monitors suck? Three reasons:
1) sound engineers use headphones
2) they are used in rows, each displaying a different tv channel or stream or whatever, and you don't want them all shouting at you at once.
3) Thr speakers have magnetic properties and can impact picture quality.
>>3068170
It hasnt I just accidentaly touched around the power supply area while unplugging it with the top off
Still works fine in 470i mode with the same isse on pseudo 240p
The only gb emu with 240p is wii mednafen that has a doublestrike mode
But unfortunately it halves the image size
If you know another way by all means tell me
>>3068121
My 20 inch 20l5 is 72 pounds and my 1944Q (same size) is 95. The 1944Q is from 1989 and so about 13 years the 20L5's elder, so that somewhat explains the weight difference. Definitely not going to jump to 200 pounds to increase to 25 inches. Only awkwardness of moving increases.
Also, I fucking hate the PSX FFV translation.
Fuck Robert Newton for playing Long John Silver in that Treasure Island movie and cementing all pirates as having that fucking stupid accent.
>>3068193
Ahem. As I SAID already, you can force the GB PLAYER into 240p.
https://www.reddit.com/r/gamecollecting/comments/2cn4uu/latest_revision_of_swiss_gc_loader_r276_supports/
Sorry for leddit.
I saw this pic on newshour a few weeks back. What model? anyone able to tell anything from that pic?
>>3068046
The DxxL5A series is the Australian version of North America's XXL5.
Okay now I'm really confused.
The picture seems to be tilted a couple degrees counter-clockwise, it's hard to demonstrate in pictures but in scrolling it's extremely noticeable, and messing with the v.angle and other such settings don't seem to do anything to it, other than throwing off the left side of the screen.
>>3068217
Southern hemisphere version, I bet. Not just australia.
>>3068047
contact local TV station engineers?
Maybe they'll be recycling some.
>>3068223
Rotate the deflection yoke if it really bugs you. Be prepared to do dynamic convergence adjustment.
>>3068217
>>3068229
oh, and it supports 1080 @ 50i, which I think the Us version doesn't.
Not sure about South American region, but wouldn't be the same unless PAL. Some places are, some aren't. I'm not sure which version was released in europe either. Possibly the DXXL5A but calibrated differently? DXXL5E?
What is the correct color temperate for retro gaming?
I always put it on warm (or very warm if it has it) but recently I read this on neogaf:
>Conventional wisdom is that Japanese CRT monitors used by developers, at least back in the 16/32 bit era, were set to 9300k (Trinitron standard). This means that "neutral" (which is usually more blue than neutral on consumer TVs) or "cool" are (or were) actually more accurate for video gaming in general.
I am using a Trinitron TV. Should I set it to cool?
>>3067953
Never tried an Extron with RGsB - I have a 580xi on myPS2but I know that with separate sync it needs a clean feed with no video signal multiplexed. i.e an LM1881 (with supporting components/circuit) somewhere between your console and the RGB interface to strip out the video leaving just the sync signal.
Not sure how shmups got it working in that case.
>>3064198
Denon avr 987
Pro studio PS 413 floor stacks
Kenwood satellites and woofer.
Pro studio is rent a center tier but I replaced the china 3 way crossover with a 2 way crossover and a high pass filter. Avr handles the low pass to all and high pass to the sub. Not the best reproduction but will rattle the kitchen cabinets.
>>3068439
Use the the thx optimizer on a DVD then set the color temp to preference?
i want to post in this threads, i have a crt tv and i finally got a dreamcast, how do i post in here
>>3068478
*landscape (yoko?)
*twin
I need more sleep...
>>3068478
I had to fight with the idea of having two monitors on a rack together basically doing the same thing. It seemed pointless but something inside me was screaming rack setup. The TV studio aesthetic is too strong for me to deny. The simplest way I can explain it is that I'm doing it for organizational purposes. Trying to open up my room a bit and make it less cluttered. By doing this I can get rid of my old shelf that was taking up way too much space. When not playing I can stick the rack neatly in a corner.
I've seen your dual setup. I love the look of two PVMs together one portrait one landscape.
Friendly reminder that Consumer Trinitrons are still VERY close to god-tier especially if you are playing from further than 3-4 feet away especially with component cables.
Had a great (and frustrating) night with Time Crisis 1 via PS2 Component cables. Looked fucking aces.
>>3068439
NO.
Use 6500k. That is THE standard. 9300k is not standard, only used in TV showrooms for looks.
His 'conventional wisdom' is a load of BS.
>>3069016
Friendly reminder you don',t need a trinitron to have a nice CRT.
And the 1chip SNES does not encode component.
>>3068405
Pretty sure my 20L5 does but I have no means of testing.
I know it can handle PAL 720p.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?'
...And should I buy it?
>>3069384
HD CRTs are a no no
>>3069392
Do they all have analog to digital converters?
>>3069427
I see. So what happens if you emulate retro through something like a wii? Still bad? My main concern is scaling/analog to digital conversion which I don't want. If my output signal is 480p through component, would I get latency?
>>3069437
I guess to clarify I'm asking does it post-process the image. Can't play platformers or rythm games with that shit.
I found it this morning sitting on the curb, unfortunately its busted. just thought I could share my rage ;_;
>>3069464
>>3069468
>>3069472
And that's one of the many reasons why I don't like people in general.
I would keep the case and circuit board, might come in handy for replacements.
>>3069480
ill go get it.
>>3068174
>If you want good sound, you don't use built in speakers on any TV/Monitor. Get a separate set of nice stereo speakers.
Have you tried a B&O? It's obviously true for LCDs because there just isn't space for proper speakers, but it hasn't always been that way.
>>3069472
spoiler that gore this is a sfw board
get the convergence strips/magnets off of the tube
you cant buy those anymore and you may need them in the future
>>3069547
Got it. unscrewing now.
>>3069550
>>3069556
>>3069558
>>3069560
Free BNC adapter!
>>3069464
>>3069468
>>3069472
Fuck EVERYTHING
>>3069578
somethings been definitely ripped out from there
>>3069550
A lot of people have a habit of throwing out TRINITRON SONY TVs around my city (glendale ca) I managed to get this one literally for free from the front of my apartment.
People drive around looking for Tvs and just salvage shit, like pic related.
So I'm willing to bet that maybe this one was thrown out with everything still intact and some chump opened it up and took something out from it.
But I don't really know to be honest.
This trinitron in particular can be found around in the streets where I live in, why? I couldn't fucking tell you. but this one works fantastic.
>>3069593
>So I'm willing to bet that maybe this one was thrown out with everything still intact and some chump opened it up and took something out from it.
>muh $4 worth of copper
>>3069593
Silver trinitrons are pretty meh tbch.
