Discuss the amazing original tetralogy as well as the online games ITT.
http://poal.me/2r7rej - Choose your favorite.
http://ephinea.pioneer2.net - Play online now!
i tried to get into ps1 couldn't do it. played psiv and loved it a fuckton. it's like playing an 80s space anime i love it.
>>2974561
>"Here's a random subject that I have nothing to say about."
>"Hey guys, it's your job to get this discussion going for me!"
No it's not. If you can't be assed to post something more substantial, then why did you start this thread in the first place? You can't just pick a subject and say "Go!" and expect other anons to do all the work for you.
Fuck off.
>>2974561
I love Nei!
>>2974594
Why didn't you bitch at the Breath of Fire thread? It has even less content than this one.
>>2974561
>http://poal.me/2r7rej - Choose your favorite.
Well, since I can't pick them all as my favorites, I'll have to go with IV, just for presentation.
Though II (and the associated text adventures) had its moments.
>pic related
I sincerely hope you goyim played PS1 with the SMSPower patch and in glorious FM synth.
>>2974619
I went for 4 as well, though it pains me to see PS1 without any votes. It's easily the most fun to explore.
2, because of the dungeon design, boss battle theme, and especially the ending.
4 is better in every other way though.
>mfw IV's macro system for battles
Why didn't more RPG's implement this function?
Kyra a cute
needs more love
>>2974743
I played the original translation without FM synth and I don't regret it.
>>2974912
You should.
>>2974784
I never used PS4's macro system. Should I?
>>2974982
Well, yeah. It's pretty bloody useful, especially if you want to use any combo attacks without leaving them to chance.
>playing a Final Fantasy ripoff
>>2975032
Put some effort into your trolling.
>>2975032
>implying Final Fagassy wasn't also a ripoff
I want to get into this series, but have this obsession to play all games in series in order. And, well, Phantasy Start 1 is pretty harsh to get into. Did it ever get a modern re-release on something outside Master System?
>>2975809
You could play it on the PS2 if you can read Nihongan.
>>2974982
I'd recommend it. It makes setting up combos easier, and I always had one or two macros for buffs to start boss battles off with.
>>2975809
It got a remake on the ps2, but I wouldn't recommend that - it changes the story and the mechanics quite a bit. If you grind for a little right at the very beginning (get Alis up to level 5-8 or so), its not that hard.
The games are only sorta related to each other, and aside from a few callbacks, you're not missing too much if you play them out of order.
>>2975835
IIRC there's a translation patch out for the PS1 remake.
>>2975821
It was translated ages ago and they released update recently.
Is there a bigger bro in vidya than this nigga?
Are you going to watch the Phantasy Star anime, /vr/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLf_DXqKw2w
>>2974561
Robogirls are the best things about Phantasy Star.
Prove me wrong.
>>2975809
I want to get into the series, but I don't give a shit about chronology. Where should I start? People seem to like PS3 but I figured I'd ask...
>>2976034
If you wanna spoil yourself, start with IV.
If you wanna play it as intended, 1->2->4 and 3 is optional.
Modern player here, just started phantasy star IV, never played any other game of the series before. Perhaps someone will get mad at it since apparently it spoils some thing? but I heard that it was the most accesible one. I just got Rika in my party and I'm having fun with the game, but I have questions about it
Is there a skill description or something like that? I still have no idea of what Chaz's earth tech or Gryz magic do
Is there a map, unlockable later or something? I'm not having problems right now, but I imagine that if I drop the game for a week due to work I'll have some issues finding some places. I like how they made a memo with the talk command though
I spent like an hour in that basement on Gryz village dying like a bitch left and right. Still fun.
>there was a mainline installment released a year ago for Vita by triAce
Holy shit. Is it any good, /vr/?
>>2976034
3's alright, but it's not very popular. It's something of a black sheep for the series - a different team developed it, and it was rushed, so the good ideas it had were lost in the execution. I wouldn't recommend it as your first game in the series, but it's a nice side-story with some cool quirks.
4 is probably the best-executed, but it ties in pretty heavily with 1 and 2, so you'll get more out of it if you play those first.
2's pretty grindy, but the dungeons/mazes are fun, and it's got a decent cast of characters you can actually choose from.
1 is old and shows it, but it's still a great game. If the remake didn't butcher its relatively nonlinear plot, I'd recommend that.
Why did they drop the pseudo-3D dungeons of the SMS game? That was one of the best things about it.
>>2976283
I remember reading somewhere that they thought making the game in first person would be too boring. I don't know about that.
>>2976174
The pscave has maps. I don't know if the FAQs at the site has technique and skill info though. You could try it.
4 > 1 > 2 > 3
>>2975983
Phantasy Star Online isn't Phantasy Star
>>2976456
My niggy.
>>2976432
Having a sane method of mapping definitely makes the dungeons boring. Particularly those involving going up and down constantly.
>>2976482
I know in the SNES versions of Wizardry they had a mapping system they could have imported into PS, but whatever. They had screen shots back in the day of a first person dungeon before they axed them.
Whose death was more depressing, Nei's or Alys'?
>>2975923
>bro
>betrays you
See me after class.
>>2976617
He was under mind control, nigga.
>>2976610
Alys was characterized more in PS4, so more was lost when she was gone. PS2 didn't have the luxury of a lot of cut scenes and between character text so Nei didn't have a chance to be Nei past the opening where she tags along on the adventure.
>>2974784
Final Fantasy XII uses it, and so does Dragon Age: Origins
>>2976183
Fun gameplay (especially mp), cringeworthy story.
Like most JRPGs these days, they went the waifu pandering route.
>>2976670
>these days
Look around this thread, nigga.
>>2975923
>Nice to see you again, Anon. Have you trained yourself? Do you remember me? I'm Kireek. They call me the Black Hound. I have orders to kill you. Let me devour your soul. Hee, hee, hee... You shall die now!!
I am maybe 4 or 5 hours into PS1 and I just can't get into it. I love JRPGs, but the 8-bit era of RPGs always feels tedious and unpolished to me. Same thing happened to me with FF1.
Can I skip straight to PS3 and PS4? Will I be lost in the story or world if I do that?
>>2977041
Play the remake, nigga.
>>2977041
I'd skip straight to 4, if you think 1's too unpolished. 2 and 3 were a little rushed (3 moreso than 2, though they both suffered from it), and you won't be too lost in 4 without playing the others. There are a few callbacks, but it stands well enough on its own.
If you do start with 3, it's almost entirely divorced from the rest of the series (there's a brief, missable callback to 2 near the end), so no worries there.
>>2975070
Don't take the bait. PS1 predates FF1 and he knows it. You should know it too.
>>2975809
There is a reimagining on Playstation 2 but it's an abomination and don't you fucking dare play it before the original. It's a very different game gameplay-wise and wouldn't satisfy your autistic need to things in order anyway.
>>2976034
4 is a very friendly game. If you think you're a bad enough dude then you can start with 1, it is a pretty fantastic game.
>People seem to like PS3
In my experience people seem to dislike PS3. I don't think it's bad, but don't play the odd one out first.
>>2975983
I hate everything about it. The fact that the ending has a closeup of a rappy's arse is really telling of the overall quality of the show.
>>2976183
> mainline installment
Put some more points into your research skill. It's a PSO2 spinoff.
>>2977218
>a closeup of a rappy's arse
I wonder if anyone is sexually attracted to rag rappies.
>>2975983
>tfw there will never be a great OVA adaptation of the Algo System saga
>>2976558
The SNES port of Wizardry came out ten years after Phantasy Star 2.
Automaps were however used in Bard's Tale 2 (86) and in a way in Ultima 3 (83).
But mapping square based dungeons by hand isn't complicated.
I know Ultima ditched the first person dungeons because it made programming more complex. Another layer in which stuff happens means another layer where things can go wrong.
>>2977214
The Playstation 2 remakes have a serious case of QUALITY. Myau looks like a dog and the art in 2 is just all around shockingly bad.
Phantasy Star was the 1st JRPG I ever played, so I have warmth for it.
Until recently, I was using the dungeon music as my alarm.
https://youtu.be/HIx7Z-LMeV4
>>2977910
The art in 2 reminded me of the Tsukihime anime, but worse.
>>2978159
You seem to have posted the wrong version; here let me help you out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnQz9njOPXg
fuck these things.
Does anyone know where you can read the futabasha books online? I can only find III.
https://archive.org/stream/Phantasy-Star-3-Futabasha/ps3futabasha__292pg?ui=embed#page/n0/mode/1up
>>2978449
Cast faggot confirmed.
>>2978531
Cast master race.
Why the fuck did PSO take away their ability to learn techniques?
>>2974561
I have never played a Phantasy Star game but I want to_be_that little girl in the OP.
>>2974816
Looks like a Faggot Emblem character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srdnqXD3u4w
I'll just leave this here.
>>2974561
Phantasy Star IV is probably one of the best games I've ever played.
All the others are dogshit. 1-3 seem like they are not even made by the same company. The 3D ones are shit because 3D is shit. I mean, really, can you name one 3D game that looks and plays as good as a 2D game? You can't, because 3D is cheap bullshit for brainwashed morons. Play your 3D, niggers and faggots. 2D is racist, only the Nazis would play 2D because it's superior.
>>2978845
Prepare for your life being short and miserable with only few months of happiness.
>>2980017
He'll want to be Rika instead.
>>2979434
>3D Phantasy Star
>shit
Nigga shut yo mouf. Playing PSO online with Dreamcast was some of my funnest gaming memories.
>>2974561
I shamefully passed over PSIV when it came out and only played it for the first time a couple of years ago. I think it's probably the best rpg of the 16 bit era, everything about it is just about perfect.
Recently looking for something else to play I've started on the first game and have been really loving it. Still quite early, I just revived Odin and am looking for what to do next but it's been really impressing me so far. A much better game than either FF1 or DQ1 in my opinion.
>>2979434
>Phantasy Star 2
>Dogshit
Ayyyyylmao
>>2974594
You might be hands down the worst poster ever to grace this board. Please be proud.
>>2976461
Yes it is.
>>2977298
There people attractived to everything on the Internet.
>>2980805
In name sure, but it's a completely different kind of game. Its like, is Theatrhythm Final Fantasy? Well technically sure, but it's a completely different game from what is generally considered Final Fantasy.
>mfw sega forgot motavians existed
>>2981249
Too bad Gryz sucked so much in combat.
>>2981264
At least he didn't suck as hard as Han.
>>2981310
Demi and Raja master race.
I'm just going to leave this here, you guys should know what to do.
https://www.change.org/p/sega-atlus-atlus-made-phantasy-star-v-revive-the-classic-series?recruiter=458785582&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
Of course this ain't gonna make all the difference, but if it makes 'any' difference, JUST- DDOOO IT!
>>2981264
In a game where instadeath skills are common and reliable, they could've easily made it his "thing" that Crash was ridiculously accurate, making him a good choice for endgame grinding
>>2976456
Jeez, they made Gryz look adorable! Mebba its cuz he bears a big resemblance to badtzmaru (which I'm also a huge fan of).
>>2981249
Mah nigga!
>>2981264
>>2981310
Wut the heck are you guys saying. One warcry and Gryz destroys. Also, have you used Han's vision?
>>2981826
Don't forget brose, I've insta-death'd plenty with it.
ALSO,
I'M LOOKING FOR AN OLD PS PAGE
It was called something like 'pages of algo' or 'algo encyclopedia' or something like that. It had an awesome layout with a bunch of PS2 borders. Mind you, this was, like, more than 10 years ago. Any idea anons?
Should PS3 even count? It was outsourced to a different team and doesn't even take place in the ALGOL solar system.
PS 1/2/4 is the true Phantasy Star trilogy tbqh
>>2980098
One of the games speaks of Newmans aging rapidly and randomly dying without showing any signs prior illness. This applies to all Newmans. I don't recall whether it was PS4 or PSO...
So Newmans are very much like the Replicants from Blade Runner, and may actually be based on that very concept.
Rika's chances of living a long, normal life are no greater than Nei's. I think this is mentioned in the epilogue when she decides to stay with Chaz.
THE BALLS ARE INERT
>>2982370
That's a PSO thing.
>>2982370
According to Phantasy Star Compendium Rika lived long enough to give birth to a son, see Chaz going MIA on one of his missions as a Hunter and become Hunter herself to feed her kid.
Shame they never expanded on this story. Could have been Phantasy Star IV-2.
>>2982602
That was a what-if made by the character designer after development was finished, not official.
>>2980556
>Odin
>Space Cenutry 342
>Playing the original translation without FM sound
Do you hate your ears?
>>2982779
MUH TIMELINE
>>2982370
Neitypes were a different species altogether. A freak accident created by the bio-systems lab after a power surge. I believe the lifespans of about 2 to 3 years applies to the Neitypes.
The Faltype Numans are designed to breed with humans to create superior offspring suited to Motavian conditions. Considering the drastically different originas I see no reason the short lifespan would apply, especially considering the spinoff story where Fal (Rika) becomes a MILF.
>>2982790
What? It was clearly just a >currentyear meme.
>>2981943
Fringes of Algo?
After watching last two episodes of PSO2 The Animation I realized that thing I don't like most about it is that it panders only to PSO2 user base not even acknowledging games that existed before it.
I mean, yes, obviously, it is titled Phantasy Star Online 2 the animation, but would it hurt creators to mention that it is second Online title, draw a cosplayer or two in costumes from classic games, make some music references?
If you are going meta, at least don't pretend that there is no vast history behind the title.
>>2982779
I actually don't really know what you're referring to. But also I've mostly been playing it without sound. Emulating on PSP and usually listening to something else. The bits of music I've heard didn't do much.
Actual game though, I think is great and I love the mix of overworld and dungeon crawling.
>>2983359
The American release doesn't have the option for FM Sound that the original Mk 3 game had and the translation renamed Tyrone to Odin among other things.
>>2983371
Ahh, are there any other notable changes? I have both ROMs, I just played the US version because it was the one I saw as a kid. But I'm early enough I could start another one. I don't plan to listen to the music much either way though.
So the only phantasy star game I own is 3. I'm not usually too into older console RPGs, but I got it in a lot of genny games.
All I've heard is that it's the worst one for whatever reason. Is it a bad game? Is it worth playing? Do I need to play the previous games to understand it?
>>2983417
It's not awful, just kind of dull. You don't need to play the others though. One of the big problems with III is that it doesn't feel like it connects to the other games as well, and doesn't feel like it fits.
>>2983423
So it's just a mediocre middle-of-the-road 16-bit JRPG?
>>2983438
Yup. Where as each of the other PS games were outstanding for their time and very unique. III just feels generic. The main creator didn't work on it at all, and it really shows.
I love PS it's unfortunate I can't find much merchandise that isn't PSO2 anymore.
>>2983706
Another series ruined by waifuism. :(
>>2983438
The generations system was pretty innovative for its time (DQV would rip it off), but it pales in comparison to the other PS games.
>>2983417
As others have said, it's not bad, but it doesn't really live up to the reputation the rest of the series has.
You don't need the other games to understand it (as it's basically a side story away from the main plot in 1, 2, and 4), and it only sort of obliquely references 2 near the end.
I'd say it's a poor introduction to the series (it was my first PS game too), but it's a good enough game. It's not horrendously broken or grindy or anything, and the pretty big differences between Ayn and Nial's quests make it worth playing through a second time (the 3rd generation differences are small enough that I wouldn't worry about beating them all unless you really like the game).
>>2984165
U triggered fampai?
>>2983359
>I've mostly been playing it without sound.
Our peoples can never understand each other. Prepare for war.
>>2983101
Dang, another forgotten page, thx for reminding me of fringes. But, sadly, it ain't it.
It's sorta coming to me now, I remember its url being something like 'algo-star-system.net' or something to that extent. Whenever you clicked on a link on the sidebar, which had a ps2 border, the selection you click on will light up the red button/indicator, just like the game!
I'm just gonna leave this here again.
https://www.change.org/p/sega-atlus-atlus-made-phantasy-star-v-revive-the-classic-series?recruiter=458785582&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
DO IT!
>>2985207
But the story ended with 4.
>>2985416
What part of 'DO IT!' did you not understand.
Sure e'nuff, it shud end there, but a prequel wud be bombtastic. Hell, a spinoff (ala FF X-2/IV+/the many many VII's) wudn't be bad either.
>>2985416
Just because Dark Falz is dead doesn't mean the universe can't continue. They could have V be about an evil AI doing crazy shit again like in 2 that you have to stop or something, and since it's set even more in the future it could be harder sci-fi.
Should I play vanilla PS2 or Evil Overload?
Did you watch the Phantasy Star I OVA yet, /vr/ ?
>>2987198
Still waiting for that patch.
>>2974561
Whose omnipresent evil is more powerful, Dark Force/Falz's or Giegue's/Giygas'?
>your face when you get raped by this guy
How does this compare to the Phantasy Star games? Better or worse? Worth playing?
>>2981943
Friends of Algo? Some shit I remember it. You could google the Phantasy Star webring. It was a part of that I remember.
>>2988508
Do you mean Profound Darkness, or Dark Force?
Dark Force is just a fraction of PD's power, though, so I guess Giygas would be stronger than DF, but if we're comparing PD to Giygas, then Profound Darkness wins, hands down.
PD (via time travel shenanigans or in other, unexplained ways, depending on which PSIII ending you take to be canon) destroyed two planets - Earth and Palma, and presumably successfully corrupted two star systems, plagueing Algol for thousands of years in the process of escaping its prison.
>>2988775
It's different in a lot of ways. I like the setting, but the game is a little slow at the start. If you like 8-bit RPGs and Phantasy Star, then you'll probably like it.
>>2987198
Blonde Alis? GTFO.
>>2988846
>girls can't dye their hair
>>2988775
It's really good, and if you like Phantasy Star I you'll like it.
>>2988858
It's still BS to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO-BKRWR1Pg
Pretty neat run.
When I was playing PS2 i notice something funny about the music
When I was at the save building it sounds fine, but when i came back from the overworld it sounds really different
Is this a bug? I'm playing this game on real hardware
C/D: Odin with the Laser Gun is one of the best characters in PS1. Not as powerful as Alis, but doesn't require MP to do damage, damages every enemy on the screen, and enemies will never be able to dodge his shots (which, considering how much enemies dodge in PS1, is very useful).
>>2991529
Actually, for the bosses, it's better if you arm Alys and Odin with Laser Guns, because even if their weapons are 1.5x times stronger than the gun, the gun never misses, and their weapon usually does.
This is kinda imperative when fighting King Lassic, because you can't keep healing everyone indefinitely, Lassic will kill you sooner or later.
>tfw Wren was almost gonna be in PSO
>>2991371
Sounds like channels cutting out. Normal game behavior. Pause during a battle at the right time, wait a bit, and when you unpause, you'll notice that some of the music channels are missing until either the song loops or the battle ends, forget which.
There's also another fun bug where you talk to Lutz at the end and all the sound cuts out. If you teleport out of the final dungeon when this happens, the game freezes. You have to not warp to the final dungeon and instead go to town and save/reset the game at which point it functions normally.
This is all also on real hardware.
>>2991620
It is a very creepy Wren.
Anyone play those Phantasy Star 2 spin offs made for Sega's old internet network a while back? Like Anne's Adventure and so forth.
>>2993107
Yeah, those were fun. Depressing (for the most part), but fun. Shir's and Kain's are probably my favorites, though I haven't gotten around to playing Rolf's yet.
>>2991537
I found that Alis with the Laconian Sword hit enough times that it was still very effective against bosses.
Did you guys play the PS2 remakes of Phantasy Star 1 and 2 that got English translated? I've been thinking of trying them but wanted to hear what you guys thought.
For reference, I beat PS1 and got half way through PS2 on the GBA Phantasy Star Collection back when that first came out. Played halfway through PSIV and loved it too.
What a charming series. It's depressing to see it's so forgotten in how it exists now.
>>2991768
Not him
Some emulators like picodrive and certain official saga compilations fixes that music bug
I first played most of the Phantasy Star games on Sega genesis Collection on the PS2, by the time I played it on the real hardware I thought my game was bugged until I realize its a bug
A lot of music sites that had the ost is the fixed version, is there any romhacks that fixes this bug
>>2993107
Yeah, they're pretty weird for continuity though. Nei's adventure describes Motavia as a barren desert when it's fully terraformed in PS2. Barely any time passes inbetween, so it's not explainable.
>>2994006
The remakes are pretty awful. They barely resemble the originals and have drastically different gameplay. 1 literally throws the original game mechanics out the window, replaces a whole bunch of monsters and has your characters doing hundreds of damage each, enough to one shot the original game's boss. 2 adds balance-ignoring special moves and has frilly Nei. Absolute filth.
>>2994006
I finished them but not with a translation.
Generation 1 is too easy for my taste but Generation 2 was alright, if a bit drawn out.
>>2994185
I know that Playstation 2 Lassic and Dark Force are easier then the SMS versions, but I heard at least Lassic gave some challenge.
Best monster design.
>>2997341
I always liked some of the designs of the enemies in these games. PS4 mostly.
>>2994185
Damage is relative, mate. Remember that Dark Force was two monsters with 250HP and in the remake he has around 7500.
>>3000052
That's the result of throwing game mechanics away, like I said. All new formulas, all new stats. Not the same game.
>>2975804
Neiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii.. T_T
>>2976670
WTF are you talking about.. when has it not.. hell that's one of the best parts. Next to actually HAVING a story, and battle system (that's not an F/TPS engine with swords and a few very basic generic spells) and maybe one or two other things.
>>2976610
Nei's 1000 times over! I mean, there was just something soo damn unfair about it..for her as a char and backstory.
>>2986161
It's "The Profound Darkness" you're talking about. Dark Force/Falz was nothing but an avatar, or incarnation, of the PD.
>>2981310
>That pic
Not to be autistic, but it's amazing how the placement of a horizontal line can ruin a good drawing.
PS1 = Rune/Lutz
PS2 = Rika/Nei
PS3 = Wren/Wren
PS4 = Alys or Chaz? Or someone else?
>>3002227
>Not to be autistic
It's far too late for that!
>>3004756
What are you even?
>>3004758
PS4 has a character that represents each character from one previous game.
>>3007856
Eh. I don't think that's really an intentional thing. I mean sure Rune inhereted Lutz's mental bits and pieces but all Rika has in common with Nei is a slightly non-human appearence. They're not even the same race. One's an accident of science and one is a master race literally made for breeding.
As for the Wren's, Siren and Forren have little in common beyond being man robots.
And the last line
>PS4 = Alys or Chaz? Or someone else?
Even with your explaination I still have no idea what you meant by that. There's a character in PS4 that represents another character in PS4?
>>3007869
I mean who would represent 4 in the hypothetical fifth game if they decided to do the representation thing again (which was kinda cool).
Also Rika is Nei because the devs intended her to be a Neitype originally, also I think she can get nei's claws in 4 but I'm not sure.
>>3007869
Kyra represents Kyra, duh.
>>3004747
>>2988846
>alis's cuirass is drawn as cloth and her hair with little volume
GTFO
>>2981807
>no mention of Rieko Kodama on that page
No, I won't sign it.
>>3007879
She gets the Silver Tusk from Myau. The Nei Claw was in Phantasy Star Online.
>>2974619
She's such a damn cutie...
Lyle did nothing wrong.
>>3008252
Yeah, if they can't get the most important people back then I don't even want PS5 or for modern Sega to even touch the Algol setting. I'd take a single player traditional RPG spinoff in a new PS setting though, regardless of who's on board. That would be something.
>>3009423
Lyle started all the bullshit that eventually lead to Dark Force being able to wreck havok so fuck him.
I started playing PS1 today. Is there a better translation? The official one is pretty damn bad.
>>3010457
yeah there is, there's also a patch to restore fm sound, check romhacking.net
>>3010473
http://www.romhacking.net/translations/1069/
this one I assume?
>>3009396
It's a shame she's not that great mechanically, 'cause Shir really is my favorite PSII character. Everyone else is there to save the world, and she's just there for shits and giggles.
>>3009423
>>3010418
Nah, it's Rhys' fault. If he had listened to his father, everything would've been fine. Lyle was just rescuing his cousin, man.
>>3010478
That's the bunny. Enjoy that FM music. Don't play without it!
>>2974561
What sucked about Phantasy Star 2, which is perhaps the biggest gripe is the layer of pipes/mist in dungeons. Why the fuck did the devs put that whole layer in?
>>3012262
Because the 8-bit RPGs that PS2 was directly competing against can't do that sort of effect. Only Sega 16-bit high definition blast processing RPGs can do it!
I like the mist, but yeah the pipes are pretty worthless.
>>3012256
Already played a bunch. The FM music is pretty sweet. I really like how quick the battles are in this.
Is Phantasy star online welcome?
Or is that just an entirely diff series with the same name, forgive me i'm oblivious.
>>3014324
PS1-4 and PSO are welcome ITT.
>>3014324
>Is Phantasy star online welcome?
Yes
>Or is that just an entirely diff series with the same name
Yes
>>3014324
they are not related at all besides references
End of the Millennium :3
>>3017587
Can't figure out what to do after nabbing the journal out of the mansion.
There are a couple of old developer interviews for Phantasy Star on shmuplations.
http://shmuplations.com/games/
I never knew Lutz could have been a hermaphrodite.
I love the music in PS1.
PS2 also had some good tracks.
About to play PS4, going to go back to 3 later.
>>3022670
Play 3 before 4, so you can catch one big reference when you get to a dungeon in 4 and appreciate Wren more.
Are mods deleting replies in this thread?
I could have sworn that when I checked it a couple of days back, there were one-hundred and fifty-something. Now there are 188, but I see only a few new replies...?
>>3022672
>and appreciate Wren more.
PS4's Wren is not related to the PS3 Wren in any way. Both games are a case of translators changing names for no good reason.
>>3023659
They're not the same character, but PS4 Wren is inspired by PS3's character called Wren.
>>3023659
>no good reason.
There is a reason - character limitations. English characters convey less information than Kanji.
Sure, they could've shortened Searren and Fouren differently, but that's not what happened - and calling back to PSIII's Wren-type was likely intentional on the PSIV team's part.
>>3023659
Wren-types share a collective AI. You didn't know this anon?
>>2974561
I tried PS1 but what a boring pile of shit.
Why bother with the sequels if the first one's so god damned bad?
>>3025157
because 4 is literally the greatest jrpg of all time
>>3024829
you mean kana. names are written in katakana. but yeah you're point is correct
>>3025159
But do I have to play 1-3 to 'get' it? No thanks then.
If it's a 100% decent stand alone experience that doesn't rely on me being trained into PS already, I might give it a shot.
JRPGs tend to be grindfests too, I don't want to battle the same monster 110000 times just to get a slightly better sword.
>>3025172
They're set like 100s of years apart from each other so unless missing references bothers you, they aren't necessary to play.
I played the first one for the first time recently and had a great time
I didn't enjoy 2
3 is okay, kinda dull
4 is great so far, better than the first.
>>3025174
How is it for grinding? I have little interest in such weeb pastimes but I like a good RPG.
>>3025201
If you don't level up a bunch you're gonna get fucking raped.
>>3025201
I found you can jet through a bit in the beginning without grinding, and then you need to grind a little for a dungeon where you get something called Asheline, if that's how it's spelled correctly. Later you need to grind a little here and there to make a couple dungeons bareable, but it's not bad.
>>3025201
Not your thing then. See you around.
>>3025167
>you mean kana. names are written in katakana. but yeah you're point is correct
Shit. Yeah, you're right, my bad.
>>3025157
The games are all pretty different - disliking one is not a great indicator of what you'll think of the other games - unless you don't like RPGs, in which case you're looking at the wrong series.
>>3025201
1 and 3 require a little grinding right at the start, but are relatively grind-free later on if you're not retarded. 2 is pretty grindy the whole way through. 4 is pretty grind-free, and if you don't mind missing a handful of callbacks, you can safely play it without touching the rest of the series.
>>3025350
Thanks for the info, I might give 4 a whirl then.
Earlier JRPGs I can't really get back into. That time's passed for me.
>>3024829
>Wren-type
But they're not the same type at all, this is the point. Both 'Wren' and Siren (the NPC/boss) from 3 are the same model. Sirens show up as random encounters in PS4 and they look very different from the PS3 versions emphisising that the Fouren model is very different from the Siren (shiiren) model.
And I'm sticking to 'no good reason'. The prototype rom has names based on the originals.
>>3025201
4 is grind free. It seems some people replying are confused.
>>2988708
>your ex tells you it looks like your penis when flaccid
>>3025819
>But they're not the same type at all, this is the point. Both 'Wren' and Siren (the NPC/boss) from 3 are the same model. Sirens show up as random encounters in PS4 and they look very different from the PS3 versions emphisising that the Fouren model is very different from the Siren (shiiren) model.
You're not telling me anything I don't already know. The PSIII devs shortened Shiiren to "Wren", and the PSIV devs called back to that by shortening Fouren to "Wren" (and by including Searren as an enemy in the crashed Palma ship).
Sure, they could've called him something else, but that's not what they did. How would you have shortened it - and in only four characters - in a way that wouldn't look stupid as shit? "Forn", "Four", "Fren", what?
>And I'm sticking to 'no good reason'. The prototype rom has names based on the originals.
What names did they use in that?
PSO is a sequel to Crys' ending of PSIII where you see the worldship Alisa 3 carrying an undefeated Dark Force towards Ragol (unnamed in PSIII) and its two moons. The moons can be seen in the pso dreamcast start screen and in the episode 2 lobbies.
Also there was going to be a wren type in the game that would have probably solidified this link but it was cut.
>>3027398
>headcanon
The GBA in its prime would have been a great place for Sega to bring back Phantasy Star w/ some low-level remakes, like Square-Enix did for Final Fantasy I & II. They wouldn't need to over-design them like the PS2 remakes.
>>3027657
For the PS2 they're pretty low brow.
Over-designing would have meant turning them into 3D.
>>3027657
Instead we got a compilation of roms that did nothing to fix what was wrong with those titles (localization, lack of FM synth in PS1, need to grind, etc.). And then on top of that introduced new bugs.
>>3027398
neat
>>3027675
Plus a saving glitch.
>>2976174
unfortunately, the descrips for spells and techs were in the manual instead of in game. That was how they did it at the time.
>>3026812
Rudy, a four letter name, for one. And yeah, Fouren became Forn in game menus but it's not like dialogue has to use variables pointing to the four letter names. Typing names out adds a matter of bytes to the game's size. The translators got lazy in some cases, and took things too far in others, again Rudy, Fal, Sray and several other names fit.
>>3027398
The scenario writer for PSO has time and time again stated that it is 100% unrelated to classic Phantasy Star. Do not seek to spread this unfounded bollocks.
>trying to play phantasy star 2 on Genesis
>tfw it's so fucking slow to get off the ground. The need to grind for tons of money to get decent gear to last long enough to last in the first dungeon
I know old RPGs could be bad, but this is almost torture. Even old Megami Tensei didn't feel this slooooowwwwww
>>3029014
Dual wielding beats out regular weapons due to being able to potentially kill two enemies in a single attack, and Nei is a physical powerhouse.
In truth, PS2 is a game best played at 120fps at minimum. It took until PS4 for the slow as fuck walking speed to become something blazing fast.
>>3028794
source?
I only know they did that for pso to psu
>>3029041
The PS2 collection (not the Generation 1 and 2 remakes) allows you to increase walking speed and the like.
>>3028794
2001 sega.com interview with Yuji Naka
>Q: Is there any connection between this installation of PSO and any of the previous titles in the series? If so, can you give us any examples?
>The universe of PSO is same with previous Phantasy Star series.
>>3030134
But that's obvious, since the planet names are the same. Just like how both FFT and FF 12 take place in Ivalice, that still doesn't make them in any way related though.
>>3030141
>Just like how both FFT and FF 12 take place in Ivalice, that still doesn't make them in any way related though.
I think you should get your water tested for lead or chrome or plutonium or something.
>>3030134
forgot the link
http://sonicjam.wikidot.com/aii2001:unknown02
ive done alot of googling around and the only other statements ive seen was where Naka calls PSO a Gaiden, which means an in-universe side story or a supplement to a biography. There is an interview with Reiko Kodama revealing that she was partially involved with PSO development. I have found no statements from Takao Miyoshi or Satoshi Sakai on this subject. There are statements from Sakai about PSO being unrelated to PSU.
>>3030165
FFT, FFT:A, Vagrant Story, and FF12 all take place in the same world, mate.
>>3030172
Not Vagrant Story, m8.
https://twitter.com/YasumiMatsuno/status/85846703474872321
https://twitter.com/YasumiMatsuno/status/85824025993035776
Rag Rappy = Ragol Rappy
Al Rappy = Algol Rappy
El Rappy = Elysium Rappy
Pal Rappy = Palma Rappy
>>3030263
D-did my head just explode...?
>>3030263
Headcanon time
According to the compendium Lutz and Alis had a lot of alone time together away from Odin and Myau for a few years after Phantasy Star.
Rolf could be the great grandson of Lutz. Making him the first candidate to receive Lutz's memories to become the second Lutz. The Lutz title and position continues down a genetic line and that makes Rune a descendant of Rolf.
Anyone know where I can find scans of Phantasy Star: Out Side Saga?
>>3028791
>Rudy
That name actually sounds vaguely familiar, now that you mention it. I suppose that works.
Still, though, I don't think it's that big of a deal they left Fouren's name as Wren.
>>3033473
It's not that the name changes offend me, but it was a poor decision because it implies there is a relation between the two different types of androids when there is none. This whole conversation started as a correction of this misconception, not a translation criticism.
I need help
I have a Lv 42 HuMAR in PSO 1 & 2 and I'm trying to beat Dark Falz on Normal. I have most spells at the highest level HuMAR can have them. I have at least one Scape Doll. I'm on a plasma TV, so my reaction time will be abysmal due to screen lag. How do I beat him? I have a cheap 3rd party memory card which wipes my save after the 40-hour mark. Grinding is not an option unless I leave the game on.
I last tried about 4 years ago. I don't want to get my save wiped a 5th time.
>>3034092
for normal
increase your ice resitance
for hard mode and higher you also want light resistance
as a hunter if you dont have a decent rare weapon use a raygun from the shop or any better handgun type weapon
its best to keep your distance when attacking so you avoid getting hit with slowmo status
falz is also weak to zonde in his first form and both zonde and barta in his second form
for third form which is only on hard mode and higher you just want to make sure you have enough hp and light resistance to survive his attacks and use handguns, foie, and other ranged weapons to attack him
>>3034318
also you want an hp stealing weapon for falz third form to keep you from killing yourself when he possesses you
Does anyone have the Phantasy Star Sympathy 2015 album? It was released on Feb 25th. If you do, please rip it for everyone to hear.
I'm learning game dev and now I kinda want to make a 3D version of Phantasy Star 3 in Unity
I can imagine that a worldship would have some pretty awesome visuals.
SCHTHACK is back online!
>>3034616
foney a cute
>>3032936
Someone get Alis, Rolf, and Lutz to Maury.
![ps_spec7_5-037[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JD2UdHE.jpg "ps_spec7_5-037[1].jpg")
>>3032936
untranslated scans of part 3 are on orakio rob's website
I'm really interested in this because the Outside Saga story is canon according to the compendium
It also reveals how Lutz invents technics
>>3034554
It is on YouTube.
http://youtu.be/i2zcD8oTRB8
>>3034817
That's the 2013 one.
2015 one has Cry for Idola the Holy, which I really want to hear.
What if the Earthmen in Phantasy Star 2 are the Coralians?
PSO Episode 3 reveals that the Coral Government found another planet to inhabit other than Ragol and that was the last we heard from them
In PS Zero Coral was renamed Earth under Mother Trinity's influence
Most of the mothers that Dr Osto made went crazy because the d-cells used in their cores matured into dark falz. Dr Montague and Calus seemingly found a way to fix this and was able to activate Delta safely.
PSO's MOTHER AI is called "Delta" which is number 4 in greek
Phantasy Star Zero's Mother Trinity can be associated with 3
going by the numbers there are 2 more mothers
PS Zero has another Mother AI, the Heaven's Mother
and Phantasy Star 2 has Mother Brain
Q:But if the theory of PSO happening after PSIII is true then how can the Earthmen be the Coralians?
A: Coralian's have FTL technology.
Their ships travel faster than light and probably time travel as they approach their destination.
Noah might possibly be pioneer 3
>>3034332
He stated he was a HUmar. This means he has access to Foie and Resta. He doesn't need HP steal to survive. Just some ELT and fluids.
>>3034092
Also, holy shit, the definition of a fucking NUBmar. Jesus Christ, and I thought I was casul.
I wonder if Lydomuhl is a place on Coral because that is the name of the country on a planet outside of the Algol system where Lutz learned technics in Outside Saga.
Are there any private PSO servers for The console versions?
>>3035153
Yes, 3 that I know of, but none have a large population. I have also often seen folks bouncing from one to another in search of someone to play with, and I sometimes do the same thing myself.
>>3035153
Like I posted earlier, SCHTHACK is back online and it supports pretty much all versions of PSO.
If you're looking for the classic PSOBB gameplay that's pretty much it.
