Oha Suta just announced the current results of the Pokemon Elections 720 poll.
#10: Zygarde
#9: Meloetta
#8: Fug
#7: Genesect
#6: Charizard
#5: Sylveon
#4: Pikachu
#3: Mew
#2: Arceus
#1: Greninja
The winner of the poll is getting an event distro.
Thoughts?
>>26089053
ZYGARDE WAS ROBBED
ROBBED
O
B
B
E
D
Greninja deserves first place though
>>26089053
not even surprised though
>>26089053
we need event trubbish
>>26089053
Popularity poll?
>>26089053
>no braixen
Instantly shit.
>>26089100
Yeah, massive one:
http://www.pocketmonsters.net/main/news/2553
The poll runs another 10 days, and the ultimate winner is getting an event, hence all the mythical mons in the top.
>>26089119
No one want Braixen to be the event.
>#1: Greninja
>>26089053
Japan has good taste.
What move do you guys think Greninja will have?
>>26089053
>greninja as the giveaway
Nips are fucking retarded.
Keep in mind that the poll isn't over yet, these are just the current results.
>greninja
they better lock the evnt to torrent at least and dont give it fucking protean
I remember when they did this when dream world first came out and Arceus won. I wonder if they'll make it a shiny greninja is it wins.
>>26089053
This is a really weird list.
>>26089433
It's pretty clear votes for Meloetta, Genesect etc are coming from people that missed out on those events and are voting because they want it to get a new one.
>>26089201
>tfw they give it a new signature "event only" ability
Jesus chirst, is Greninja really that popular in gookland? Arceus? Charizard only in 6th? Fucking Zygarde in 10th?
How different do you think the results would be if they didn't promise an event to the winner?
I feel like "which pokemon is your favorite" and "which pokemon do you want a special event for" have different answers for a lot of people
>>26089053
GRENINJA'S GONNA GIVE IT TO YA
GRENINJA'S GONNA GIVE IT TO YA
>>26089053
I would have voted for sylveon
>>26089053
>no lucario
There is still hope
>>26089053
It baffles me that Pikachu is that high on the list. It gets plenty of event distros, why on earth would people want more of it?
>>26089463
Arceus only got 2nd because he's the new Mew. That one Pokemon that's so uber rare, even Game Freak rarely acknowledges it exists. It's been in so few events that obtaining it illegally is the only easy way.
>>26089499
>Game Freak's face when
>>26089053
>greninja on top
>implying not rigged
Greninja is the new Lucario
>>26089507
I think a lot of kids and casuals are just voting their genuine favorites. This isn't a global link poll or anything, it's held in regular stores, so a lot of votes will come from people not really that into the video games.
>>26089053
>greninja
Fuck yeah japan
>>26089463
Well you have to consider both trending pokemon and the fact that there'll be a distro as a result. That explains shit like Zygarde, Arceus, Mew, etc..
>>26089053
>no Magnemite
2chan is slaking
>>26089536
Once again, another moron who thinks POKEMON PUSHED BY GAME FREAK = FORCED POPULARITY.
Greninja and Lucario are fucking popular for the same reason Pikachu is. Yeah I'm sure GF predicted they would get popular, but if their marketing worked then it fucking worked.
>>26089594
Lucario isn't on the list at all, though.
>>26089523
On a scale of 1 to pic related, how mad do you think Sugimori is over his favoritism incarnate fursona not even being top 10?
>>26089615
>spot 11
who was the Abomasnow guy? i wanted him to win
>>26089605
Never said it was.
>>26089053
At least vote for an event only pokémon ffs
>>26089579
>Event
>When this is the 20th year and they'll do distros of all the mythical mons like Mew, Shaymin, etc
>>26089658
Takashi Sudo, Japanese comedian.
He's cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yykNQ4bQOhs
>All of the force feeding and borderline deification amounted to nothing
KEK VULT
>>26089781
Just wait, they'll start doing it to Greninja next.
>>26089053
>Ash-greninja event confirmed.
OH FUCK
Greninja is going to get Nasty Plot.
>>26089806
But Greninja isn't being forced, it's being pandered. It became popular on its own merits, like Charizard, not because it was shoved down everyone's throat like Lucario.
>>26089847
I don't give a shit about this conversation really, but I would like to say that they were definitely prepared to force Greninja. He showed up in Smash before anyone even knew who he was.
>http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/election/intermediate.php
Top 100 list faggots. Is your bro in there?
>>26090033
>Lucario not even in the top 20
Mega Kekking
>>26090056
based nips
>>26090033
>Archeops that high
>>26089615
>>26089499
>people are still this bluttblasted over Lucario's existence
Yeah if it wasn't around I'm sure your favorite would be wayyyy more popular.
>Archeops in the top 15.
Nice.
>>26089847
Its own merits being the highest speed of any starter, massive special attack, the best ability in the game and two signature moves to the other Kalos starters' one. Plus being Ash's signature Pokemon, with a special form the other starters have no counterpart to, with a recently-released 3DS theme which the other Kalos starters have no counterpart to.
You're right, totally on its own merits.
>>26090120
If he wins, there's a chance he will get a hidden ability.
Any ability is ok in comparation to defeatist, he has the potential to become a OU threat.
>>26090168
Braixen is plenty popular too anon. It isn't Greninja's fault that nobody likes shitnaught.
>>26090033
>Sceptile all the way down at 70
Guess the attempt to sell him as Grass' Charizard failed miserably. Of course, making him usable ingame instead of perpetuating the "special attacker with physical moves and Lightning Rod" meme would probably help.
Oh well, at least he's the highest ranked Grass starter, as it should be.
>>26089053
What a weird list. Seriously.
If I had to guess at a Pokemon top 10... I mean I'd probably guess Pikachu, Charizard, and Greninja, but the other 7 seem weird.
Especially Meleotta and Genesect. Although I guess maybe a bunch of people voting were voting for the sake of a neato giveaway, hence the legendaries.
Doesn't explain Sylveon though. And legit surprised Greninja is number one, wow.
>>26089053
>eeveelution even near the top
I would say i was disappointed that none of my favs made the top ten, and only my fav legendary made top 100, but for that to happen i'd have to be surprised.
>>26090033
Dedenne at #35! It's too bad it won't win; it could use some cool event moves.
Sad to see no Jigglypuff.
>>26090202
What does that have to do with the fact that Greninja is being forced harder than Lucario ever was?
>>26090249
Japan loves sylveon as fuck
>>26090033
>Espeon 71
My nigga.
>Magnemite 26
Literally wat. The legendary votes I guess for giveaway, and most Pokemon I get, but Magnemite? Is he that popular in Japan? Why?
>Archeops 15
WAT
If this was suppose to be a popularity contest, then someone please shoot me.
>>26090289
Didn't know that. I mean, I figure all the Eevolutions in general are pretty popular, but I didn't realize Sylveon had ascended into S-tier. I guess it helps that you can use it in competitive.
>>26090295
>Magnemite? Is he that popular in Japan?
How fucking new are you?
>>26090295
Magnemite is an epic maymay.
Archeops might be the same, but Archen is at 50 too so I'm not too sure it is
>>26090202
>nobody likes shitnaught.
barafags do
it's not the best outcome, but compared to how ignored grass usually is i'll take it
>>26090316
Archen and Archeops are the first Pokemon in Japanese alphabetical order.
>LUCARIO NOT EVEN IN THE TOP 20
BAHAHAHAAHAH
>>26090295
Magnemite is a literal meme, it'd be like us voting Dunsparce into the top 20.
I'm not too sure about Archeops tho, that surprised me too. Maybe 2ch or some other forum spammed votes for him as a laff or somethin.
>>26090033
>No first gen eevees made it to top 100
Life is suffering when you like Jolteon
>>26089932
>>26090168
ignore the faggot who says "forced", that guy has no idea what it means, basically boils down to "it applies in MY mon but not yours"
>>26090352
>>26090276
t. sugimori
>Pikachu
>Pichu
>AND DEDENNE
>all ahead of Raichu
Kek, based Japan knows worst chu when it sees it
>>26089828
>GF decides to troll and locks it with the Torrent ability
>For Greninja to boost it's special attack it needs to run an ability that kills it's viability
>>26090033
It's a mix of shit taste and people wanting event legendaries
>>26090393
Go back to bed gamefreak.
>>26090410
You mean Japan.
Because all of Japan agrees.
Can't wait for the next US poll to have the same result.
>>26089451
Unless they just really like Meloetta they should be voting for something that didn't get an event at all this gen. I think Manaphy and Genesect are the only ones.
>mfw no matter who wins japan is getting cucked out of at least one mythical pokémon while the rest of the world gets all of them
>mfw no face
Now they know how we feel.
>>26090033
>No Volcarona
At least Mawile and Chandelure made it in.
Glad to see Zygarde up at 10, tho.
>>26089847
It was being developed as a character for Smash 4 before Greninja was even announced as a Pokemon. I'm sure Greninja's major role in the anime was written before he was officially announced too.
>>26090454
Meloetta didn't get an event this gen.
>>26090391
>no rebuttal
Oh boy, I win the internet argument.
>>26090552
besides from the gen 6 legendaries, and the 20th ani events, there have barely been any events this gen outside of japan
>>26090585
This is a Japanese poll you need to be in Japan to vote for for a Japanese event that you need to be in Japan to receive, you triple nigger.
>>26090033
>Victini in top 20
fuck yea atomic nigga
>Ampharos made it
wew
>>26090552
Could've sworn it did. Whatever, that's three Pokémon they're not getting then. Suck it Japan, enjoy your Greninja.
>>26090606
http://www.serebii.net/events/dex/648.shtml
Only time Meloetta has been distributed was as the movie 15 theater event mon, back in 2012. Explains why it's so high on the list.
>>26089053
Does that mean people actually like that abomination called Ash-Greninja?
>>26090168
Fuck off chesnaughtfag, you're just assmad that nobody likes your shitty piece of literal fucking shit.
>>26090682
You seem upset.
>>26089053
>B-but Greninja isn't really popular, guys! It's just another flavor of the month shitmon, i promise! He'll be forgotten as soon as the next generation comes out!
Loving every laugh. Also:
>No Lucario on sight
BASED JAPS STRIKE AGAIN! KEN SUGIMORI ON SUICIDE WATCH!Who do you think would be a good replacement for him after his inevitable suicide?
ANTI-GRENINJAFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
GET F U C K E D
Seriously though, anti-greninjafags are literally the worst. The fact that they're chesnaughtfags too just makes them even more disgusting.
>Greninja is the next Infernape they said
>>26090276
>Greninja is being forced harder than Lucario ever was
Holy shit, this is some top tier bait. Please tell me you're just salty and don't actually believe this.
Regardless of which mon it is, there is no such thing as "forced" popularity. Fuck that shit, only trolls use it unironically.
>>26090033
>espeon
Yus
>>26089053
>#2: Arceus
They just had an Arceus distro last year before the Hoopa movie and another one's coming up in a few months. What's wrong with these faggots?
>>26089053
>Mewtwo not on the list
>Mewtwo losing to Grenigger, its clonee, Sylveon, Genesect, Meloetta, and Cuckgarde
Weird
>Lucario not on the list
A pleasant surprise
>>26090168
>massive special attack
>103
Are you being real right now
And again half of this shit is AFTER Greninja already became popular. It's pandering to a market, not trying to create one, like Lucario.
>>26090902
>another one's coming up in a few months
The fuck are you on?
Also the movie distro required buying a preorder ticket, I assume the votes for it comes from those who didn't.
>>26090932
I hope GF brutally nerfs Chesnaught and buffs Greninja in Sun & Moon simply as a fuck you to literally everyone bitching about based Greninja, since only Chesnaughtfags could possibly hate the best pokemon.
>>26090945
>phoxfags trying to falseflag
>>26090725
I have nothing against greninja itself, but Ash-Greninja is one of the worst things to have happened to this franchise.
And considering these polls are usually a legendary wankfest, a regular mon topping it like that seems weird, even if it's a super popular one, so I'm inclined to think all the promotion Ash-Greninja is getting might have influenced the results.
>>26090033
>worst form of Typhlosion's line gets in the top 100 by the skin of its teeth
>fucking Aurorus, Ekans, Arbok, Accelgor, Archen, Beautifly, and Dedenne rated higher
2 nukes wasn't enough.
>>26089520
But it's stupid, it's already getting an event soon.
>>26090818
>there is no such thing as forced popularity
What the fuck are you talking about? "Forced popularity" is a cornerstone of marketing. It doesn't always work, but companies push products all the time. It's called creating a market.
>>26090963
That's funny, because you chesnaughtfags constantly falseflag as Delphoxbros and try to make Delphoxbros look bad.
You know what, you chesnaughtfags are petty, so I want Delphox to be buffed tremendously and leave Shitnaught in the dust, simply out of spite.
>>26089053
>Arceus almost won again
Jesus Christ that was close
Other than that, happy to see Sylveon and Zygarde in here, even though they didn't win.
>>26090924
Mewtwo is rank 11
>>26091004
that's creating a market then, not "forcing a popularity"
and again, shit like Charizard has that by virtue of being on the cover to begin with and featured a lot in merchandising PRIOR TO ITS REVEAL IN RBY, the actual Gen 1 mons who aren't "forced" as you say are surprisingly enough Pikachu and Clefairy
>>26091007
>calls chesnaughtfags hating on greninja
>when a bulk of their fanart involve chesnaught and greninja spooning
yeah sure thing m8
>>26091003
But it isn't, you burgerclap retard
>>26090974
Synchro evolution is cool. The giant shuriken that splits into two swords is cool.
What exactly is your problem with it?
>>26091026
All of that fanart was made by Greninjabros, then they realized what a bunch of vindictive assholes Chesnaughtfags are, and stopped doing anything good for them.
>>26089053
please be a torrent greninja
please be a torrent greninja
please be a torrent greninja
we dont want some broken v create/draco meteor/bolt strike greninja running free
please gamefreak, if you fucking care, make this greninja have torrent, if it wins
>>26091029
http://www.pokemon20.com/en-us/mythical.html#aug
???
>>26089053
>people voting for Mythicals when the entire year is dedicated to nothing but Mythical distributions
Nips are either that fucking retarded or TPCi can't market for shit
>>26091040
>Greninja fanart that are gay
>not made by the actual gay fanbase (bara)
nice try falseflag
>>26091046
>en-us
Choke on your burger already.
>>26091056
I'm from Europe and I could get all of these, assumed Japan was getting them too?
>>26091049
I don't think you should talk too loudly about others being fucking retarded.
>>26091051
Your argument fails tremendously when you realize that barafags don't give a shit about something with Greninja's design, especially since these same barafags are the only people in the world who hates Greninja.
Get fucked Chesnaughtfag.
When they're not idiot savant levels of good at a video game japs are the biggest casuals I know. This poll proves it.
>>26091065
You're a shame to Europe.
>>26091068
yeah no, you definitely have no idea what you are talking about
stay mad falseflag :^)
>>26091068
Why is there such a hostility to Chesnaught lately? Greninjafags and Chesnaughtfags united to shit on Delphoxfags at release.
>>26091026
It's the same thing retard. Creating a market means trying to force something to become popular, thus creating a demand for it. If it takes then it's no longer forcing but rather pandering to the market, like Pikachu. If they continue to promote it aggressively despite people clearly not being interested, then it's forcing.
>>26091036
>What exactly is your problem with it?
It's a frog with fucking HAIR
ASH's hair
Not only does it look ugly as sin, but it probably means greninja isn't getting a proper mega and we're stuck with this deviantart-tier thing forever.
>>26091104
it's a phoxfag
>>26091108
creating popularity is not the same as "forcing" it, to force is like making a Poochy
and with your words, how is Lucario still "forced" when it's popular?
>>26090033
>Diancie
>Hoopa
>Charbocka
>Gengar
>Hydreigon
>Noivern
>Leafeon
>Machamp
>Durant
>Chandelure
I'm pretty pleased.
>>26090978
Stay mad, Typhlosionfag.
>>26091104
It's probably everyone who's tired of the fact that pokemon like Meganium, Samurott and Emboar gets unfairly shat on, while the real worst starter Chesnaught gets away scot-free. It's just called justice.
>>26091110
It's not hair you retard, it's just his fins in the rough shape of Ash's hair. Protean animals can often change the texture of their flesh.
>>26091110
>seriously thinking it's hair
One, they way it is designed, it looked more like frills colored in black than actual hair. Two, sideburns are amazing and anyone who says otherwise have terrible taste.
Seriously, just say it's based on anime. You'd have more vehicle to go through in /vp/
>>26091104
That literally never happened. Stop trying to rewrite history.
God fuck, the kalos starters have the most manchildren fanbase also the shittiest taste.
All the kalos starters are abominations.
>>26091120
That's the point, Lucario is Poochy. He's forced.
>when it's popular
This poll says otherwise.
>>26091161
>>26091161
>shitting on based greninja
Get out.
You're only correct about Chesnaught and Chesnaughtfags.
>>26090033
>Latios at 54
That's 1/4 of my top favorites on the list. That said this is probably the most random top list I've ever seen.
>>26091171
>this poll says otherwise
>still literally above about six hundreds of mons
I don't get your point.
>He is Poochy.
Good thing he isn't then.
>>26091152
It looks like shit mate, the sideburns look autistic and you've terrible taste.
>>26091189
Case and point
>>26091197
But it's not hair though. And no, sideburns are amazing.
Git gud with your hairstyle.
>>26091159
It did though, there was loads of naught/greninja pairing threads and everyone agreed Delphox looked terrible. I've lightened up to Delphox and I love all three starters now, but still.
>>26091195
He is. #21 doesn't warrant the sheer amount of promotion and wankery he gets, which is more befitting of a top 5, at the very least. The fact that he's not even top 20 DESPITE that amount of marketing speaks volumes about just how forced he is.
>>26091189
No, I'm correct about all of them and the fact you fags are derailing this thread for not agreeing in your opinion is the proof.
If you weren't manchildren, you'd know at least how discussion and argument works instead of calling everyone starter-fag and doing all this shitstorm.
Except for Hoenn-starters, I hardly seen fans of other starter gens do this kind of starter wars. You don't see people calling Blastoise-fag for disliking Charizard, do you?
This place is terrible during fake leak season.
>>26090033
>DoubleDub
>First 100 Pokemon
>Not Heliolisk, Breloom or Seviper
Japan need other Bomb...
>>26091212
case IN point you fucking foreigner/underage
Greninja and event legendaries aside, anyone else loving the results of the poll? It's like the entire Japan is telling GameFreak to go fuck themselves and their usual shillmons by voting in random stuff like Beautifly, Archeops and Arbok. It's beautiful.
>>26091171
>This poll says otherwise.
It doesn't, though.
14 of the Pokémon beating it are legendaries, who objectively should be beating him (and the rest) because you actually need an event for them. Of the remaining six, one of them is literally a meme, one of them is the current flavor-of-the-month that took his previous position, two of them are Pikachu and Charizard, and two of them are Eevee.
Everything above Lucario has a perfectly good reason to be above him (except Archeops) and he's still above 700 others.
>this "greninjafag" suddenly shitting on chesnaught on every opportunity he gets
Nice falseflagging, people are actually falling for your forced fanbase war.
>>26091262
I'm not sure what you're getting at, when even mons below him are shilled frequently too, like Magnemite, Pancham, Goomy, Magikarp, and so on.
>>26091283
>making excuses
It's a popularity poll. Lucario is 21ST PLACE in popularity despite being THE most marketed Pokemon next to Pikachu. That means he is forced.
No one said he isn't generally popular in the grand scheme of mons. The point is that his marketing far exceeds his actual popularity, thereby making him forced.
>>26091314
>It's a popularity poll
it's not
it's literally "which mon you want to be given as an event" poll
>The point is that his marketing far exceeds his actual popularity, thereby making him forced.
I love shit like this, like you have this magical quantifier
>>26091300
Not even remotely as much as him.
>>26091283
Oh the sweet damage control
Get fucked furfags
>>26091347
nigga, starters and cutemons are shilled as much, if not more, than him
fuck, I'd argue Stunfisk was once shilled more than him back when Gen V was big and was trying for a "only Gen V mons allowed!" scene
>>26089119
yiff in hell
>>26091314
Lucario's popularity has dwindled in the last few years, specially because greninja took his spot as the "cool" non-legendary pokémon.
That doesn't mean his popularity until now has been "forced". That simply doesn't happen and you have Zoroark as proof.
>>26091371
wait for them to call you a furry or some shit
not that they care, they probably don't care at all and just want to shit post judging by the whole of this thread
>>26091043
It's already ubers, you don't want to have to deal with it again in SM do you?
>>26091263
>You don't see people calling Blastoise-fag for disliking Charizard, do you?
That's purely because Charizard is synonymous with this board's beloved geewunner boogeyman
>>26091368
>>26091371
The difference is he's not a starter OR a legendary, yet gets the second most marketing in the series. He got a fucking movie before his game was out, he's constantly pushed on you in the games, regarded as a legendary, the mascot for megas promotion and story-wise, major roles for no reason in spinoffs and the anime, and just generally shoehorned everywhere.
Gamefreak has been shilling the everloving fuck out of him for three gens straight (three and a half if you consider his movie), yet he's not even top 20 in popularity.
Greninja taking his spot only proves that his popularity wasn't based on merit.
>>26091263
>You don't see people calling Blastoise-fag for disliking Charizard, do you?
That has happened many times actually.
>>26091043
>Its Torrent
>Gen 7 introduces Mega Greninja with Protean anyways
>>26090768
Greninjafag got mad
>>26091371
Also, man, how are you this fucking dumb? Just because forcing doesn't always work doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Lucario would be a forgettable shitmon if he wasn't used to promote his entire fucking gen with his movie, and then forced forever after.
Zoroark didn't take for various reasons, but mainly because he was hard as shit to get in BW, as opposed to given to you like Lucario. Lucario is only popular at all because he was forced, but even then not as popular as mons who got much less marketing.
>>26091537
getting a movie is your typical "introduce character into market", not forcing
the rest are just are results of said popularity
>>26091595
now this is what I call twisting of logic
also in DP you could actually miss out Lucario if you didn't do the sidequest
>>26091562
>GF makes it weaker than LO Greninja
>>26091537
>Lucario was super popular for three gens and a half
>sold a lot of merch and ranked high on popularity polls during this period
>then one day a new pokémon is introduced and steal his spotlight, becoming the new hotness
>that clearly means Lucario's popularity before was just made up by GameFreak, who was brainwashing the masses and making rigged polls just to push this specific pokémon for no reason
That doesn't make any fucking sense.
>>26091632
>"introduce character into market"
Dedicating an entire movie to that character, especially when there is nothing special about them, and especially to introduce an entire chapter of the series, goes beyond "introducing." It's forcing.
Again, Lucario's popularity never lined up with the amount of marketing that it got, and this poll is just further proof.
>>26089053
I had no idea Greninja was so popular. He didn't even get into Pokken.
>>26091691
nigga, movies aren't special, it's just a one-off shit
you want major shilling? star on something longer
and again, using this poll as some measure is stupid, just look at Meowth
>>26091595
>Lucario would be a forgettable shitmon if he wasn't used to promote his entire fucking gen
Why the fuck does that matter? They introduced the character like they did before with Lugia and Lati@s, and have done it since then with Zoroark and Sylveon.
And guess what? All of those pokémon are fairly popular (with Zoroark not being that high because of its availability in BW). If you honestly think that saying Lucario's popularity back then was "forced" and "not due to merit" are valid points to make, then you have no fucking idea how marketing works.
>>26091717
and he keeps on using this poll as some sort of popularity contest when it isn't
fucking Meowth, a very popular mon, isn't winning in this poll for crying out loud
you'd think this guy's "forced popularity conspiracy" would do the same thing on this poll, going for a "the poll is rigged so that they'd have an excuse to make a special distro greninja"
>>26091646
Except Greninja wasn't introduced with fanfare and fireworks. He stole his spotlight on his own merits, not because Gamefreak shoved him in your face. He only started being pushed well into gen 6, when Gamefreak caught wind of his popularity. And the funniest part is he STILL doesn't have as much promotion as Lucario.
>>26091717
I don't think you understand how marketing works. There is deliberately creating a market like with Lucario, and capitalizing on a self-emergent market like Greninja.
I wonder what else will they pull off, we got the "poll is proof" shit kicked, we got the "he got more push" shit kicked.
>>26091772
and? Lucario wasn't the first to do that
again, the only reason you guys are seeing Lucario as "special" is because you people are specifically seeing him like that
>>26090978
Typhlosion is the worst Fire starter ever. It should be in the Bottom 100.
>>26091758
Cool strawman bro.
And now you're saying that mons are more popular than this poll suggests. Talk about grasping.
The fact that Greninja is winning over both Gamefreak's Lightning and over legendaries, that, like you said, need distros, only attests to his popularity and that this poll represents popularity.
>Sylveon on a list side by side with the mascot no-brainers and hard to get legendaries
I am fucking tickled. Looking forward to more Sylveon merch in the future gens.
>>26091110
>It's a frog with fucking HAIR
I bet you think Gardevoir's green helmet is hair, too.
>>26091800
Are you seriously denying that Lucario gets shilled harder than everything except Pikachu?
>Noivern is one spot behind Dragonite
reeeeee
>>26091841
Charizard and Mewtwo are shilled more. Lucario didn't get two Megas, now did he?
>>26091772
>Except Greninja wasn't introduced with fanfare and fireworks
The fact that he's a starter, one of the faces of a generation together with the box legendaries, is already enough to justify not needing "fanfare and fireworks.
>He stole his spotlight on his own merits
Yeah, the merit of being a starter.
Also, Gamefreak only makes the mainline games, retard, if you want to blame someone for greninja or your favorite shitmon not having as much merch and not appearing as much in the different parts of the franchise as the furbait, then blame TPC(i)
>>26091816
considering how your mind operates, yes strawmanning is the only way to deal with you
and yes, I am suggesting there are popular mons not being in the poll, shit like Meowth and Stunfisk for instance, fucking MEOWTH of all people
and you know, there's a special greninja "look" and people want to have that form too so there you go
I'm not against the idea of Greninja being popular, I'm just against the idea of using this as scale to shitpost
>>26091841
I'm not, I'm against people saying Lucario is a special case when we've seen plenty of mons being revealed so early as well, and that other mons were shilled as much, if not more (see: cutemons and starters)
>>26091823
Sylveon is pushed hard as both a gen 6 mascot and a Fairy type macsot, is an Eeveelution and is really popular with girls.And Shoko fucking loves the thing and pimps it a lot
>>26091860
>using Mega Lucario as an argument AGAINST his shilling
fucking lol
No, instead he got a mega that can DO EVERYTHING, and is literally the mascot of mega evolution. >>26089781
>>26091860
Not yet :^)
>>26091884
>>26089781
while I agree that that is definitely a major sign of shilling, you tell me now if that is relevant nowadays
you always get to see Charizard X a lot outside of the games unlike that Lucario shit. And seriously, are you telling me an ignorable plotpoint (kek Pokemon plot) is more shilling than TWO MEGAS!
>>26091881
Shoko eyeing that Sylveon butt
>>26091899
Representing the entire fucking concept is more shilling, yes. Just like how he was chosen to represent gen 4 despite being a normal mon.
My entire point is that it isn't very relevant, since he's only #21 despite being marketed like #1.
>>26089053
>only two in pokken
>>26091867
Revealed is not the same as being the fucking center of attention, even after the game is out. Also he has special abilities and can talk and also he's Goku!
No, those other mons are not shilled as much, especially because Lucario ISN'T a starter yet marketed harder than they are.
>>26090033
>none of the Johto starters except Cyndaquil are in the Top 100
Kek. Nobody cares about the shitty Johto starters anymore.
>>26091809
>worse than Delphox
>worse than Emboar
shit taste
>>26091772
>deliberately creating a market
Wait, is that what you consider "forced"? Fucking really?
Starters like Greninja, legendaries, pikaclones, eeveelutions, and oddballs like Lucario are created exactly with the market in mind. Are you forgetting you're talking about a company that prioritizes profit above their own personal bias?
These pokémon are CREATED to be popular, that's they get as much promotion as they do. Sometimes it works, like with Lucario, sometimes it doesn't, like with Zoroark. The only reason Lucario got "shilled" so much before DP were released was because people needed a reason to care about it, unlike Greninja, that would inevitably get a fanbase because it's a fucking starter.
If you want to look at an actual "self-emergent market", then look at things like Chandelure or Gengar, who became surprisingly popular during vastly different periods of the franchise despite not being advertised as much as the most iconic mons.
>>26091928
You do realize "concepts" can be retconned right? Pokemon enjoys doing that and fuck, they even make it so that Rayquaza did it. What matters is the material that they can spew out to merchandise. "first megaevolving pokemon" means jack when you can shill out two megamons (granted they rarely shill the other version, Ytwo and Xzard are the ones you mostly see).
And again, you conflate a poll that has nothing to do with popularity or has barely to do with popularity.
>>26091954
you do realize his abilities are not uncommon with movie mons right? and said movie mons being center of attention? and that certain mons still get certain attention after their games have been out?
and que? Lucario isn't as marketed as hard as starters or cutemons
>>26092007
the guy uses mental gymnastics and as I said has this "it doesn't count unless it says so" shit
>>26091043
Sludge Bomb Greninja would be broken?
>>26092007
don't listen to the faggot lucario-haters, they're just jealous they're favorites aren't as universally beloved as him ^_^
>>26092007
Greninja's popularity far exceeds his mere status as a starter. Meanwhile, Lucario's marketing exceeds his actual popularity. Of course Greninja has inherent advantages over shit like Chandelure, but he was never pushed as hard, as early and as perpetually as Lucario. It is perfectly fair to say his popularity is more merit based than Lucario's.
>>26092126
again, show me this quantifier of yours of "exceed marketing" and all that shit
>>26090033
>archeops
fucking based
best pokemon ever
>>26092066
Yes two megas is shilling, but so is being pushed in the game, the source material, as the essential mega. In fact everyone who fucking plays the game is GIVEN a mega lucario. They don't even have a choice.
That on top of all of Lucario's other shit adds up to more overall shilling than Zard or Mewtwo.
>>26089053
So who else is excited for Thousand Arrows Greninja?
I wonder which pokemon got the lowest number of votes.
I wonder if there were any that got 0. That would be sad.
>>26092126
Yeah, greninja is a case of a pokémon that was supposed to be popular becoming even more popular than expected.
But stop with the "merit" shit. This is fucking capitalism, it doesn't fucking matter if some product "deserves" it more than others, what matters is what the market likes and wants, and for three gens and a half Lucario fit those criteria. Now Greninja has surpassed him, but denying Lucario's popularity back in the day and saying that he is not as popular now because it was all manufactured by GF's jew hands is fucking stupid.
>>26092161
As opposed to having a Kanto starter out of nowhere with mega stones to go with them?
And no, Mewtwo got shilled much more than Lucario if you look at it - originally a premiere boss, had two movies, had two specials (OS and BW), and has two megas.
Charizard too. Starter. Starred and had a long role in the anime and even one movie. Starred with major billing in a four-part special, and has two megas.
And I'm not even touching outside the anime and games yet.
Seriously, the only thing you can tell to me about Lucario having over those two is that Lucario has Director Lucario as a character in Pokemon variety show.
>>26092143
I listed Lucario's marketing here. >>26091537
It's compounded by the fact that there is nothing inherently special about it, it's not a starter or a legendary, it just gets all this extra shit because they really wanted you to like it. But clearly it's not working.
You keep arguing that it's not a popularity poll, but do you really fucking think people want another event Pikachu? Or Sylveon? Or fucking Archeops? No, they are voting for personal favorites.
What event move could Greninja use to push itself even higher into Ubers, assuming it comes with protein?
>>26092230
Who knows? Shiny? I didn't disregard popularity, but the motive is not popularity, it's why you got legendaries there.
Now if the poll changed its question to an outright popularity poll, it'd be a different result, and they'd even split the result to boys and girls like they always do in Japan.
And again, you're conflating the "recent" result to something that happened over the course of many years as though this one result invalidates everything. And your claims again are pointless since it's proven that they're not inherently unique to him.
>the most underage and possibly most autistic board on 4chan trying to discuss /biz/ shit
Hilarious
>>26092263
it shouldnt be in ubers in the first place
but probably kings shield :)
>>26092230
>But clearly it's not working anymore*
FTFY
>#21 Lucario
>#51 Gengar
>#52 Blaziken
Game Freak, Inc. deeply regrets to announce that co-founder and illustrator Ken Sugimori passed away on April 28th, 2016 due to seppuku.
>>26090276
Lucario
>Movie before Gen 4
>Forced First Mega
>Cynthia used one
>Constantly appearing in the Anime and games
Greninja
>Used in the anime
>gets some themes and an anime exclusive form
>No movie
>You aren't forced for it to be your starter
Tell me Lucario is more forced
>>26092352
>he still thinks Ash-Greninja is anime exclusive
>>26092264
Who says legendaries aren't popular? Popularity is clearly a major factor here. In fact Lucario should be higher on the list if the goal is event moves, since Mega Lucario is extremely competitive, and happens to be missing an important move in Iron Head. Same with shit like Salamence or Kangaskhan (i.e. #69 and not found)
It's not unique to him in principle, it's unique in degree, relative to his status (as a regular ass mon) and to the actual demand (compared to something like Pikachu).
>>26092419
It's not in the main games.
It's in Picross, and that's all I remember.
>>26092433
picross
shuffle
tcg
bunch of merch "anime exclusives" dont get
it's gonna be notch ear at worst
>>26092208
I agree with what you're saying, but i think what that anon means is that people give Greninja too much shit for what it's worth, and i also agree with that.
If they genuinely wanted Greninja to become popular, it would've been noticeable. The only argument that could support the "IT'S A JEW CONSPIRACY BY THE RATS AT GAMEFREAK TO MAKE GRENINJA POPULAR REEEEEE" argument is that the thing had nice stats and a great ability, which is pretty null in wholesome terms considering we have plenty of other broken mons from the same Gen like Klefki, Talonflame, Xerneas and the like, yet nobody would argue that there's Gamefreak bias or push there(except for the legendaries, but that's because they're in the front of the box, dammit)he only got to ubers in ORAS, not even in his Main Game.
All other instances of push were mostly coincidental: He didn't get a movie for himself and actually took over a year to even appear in the anime; Isn't relevant to the main game plot in any way and isn't forced on you either; Didn't get more merchandise than the other starters; The decision to add him in Smash wasn't even Gamefreak's idea, they literally took most Gen VI designs to the Smash team and told them to add whichever they thought was the best fit for the game.
He topped every single popularity poll only two months after he was revealed. He was at the top of his game from the start, the Smash appearance only worked to guarantee permanence.
Gamefreak would've been literally retarded not to capitalize on it. And yet it took them two years and one hideous concept (Greninjash) to prove they were ready to pander relentlessly.
>>26092450
oh and tretta, forgot about that
>>26092450
Not in the main games though.
>>26092478
That's like being back in 2005 and saying Lucario is anime-exclusive because it hadn't appeared in any main game yet.
>>26092429
legendaries are popular, but recurring popular ones aren't high on the list
like I said, it's mostly for distro, and mega lucario is easy enough to obtain, most of the other mons on the top are stragglers, but generally the goal is distro and not popularity. Like I said the poll would most likely look different if it was a popularity contest. Lucario might still remain in his position but the top 10 wouldn't look similar.
And I'd argue it's not unique to him in that he's your average "popular mon that gets shilled a lot", but rather than keeping it in one gen he manages to last long (i.e. Charizard). So unique in that he has certain traits combined, but not unique in that you see these trends anyway, but separate.
>>26092478
yeah but as I said, "notch ear"
and besides, what's to say it won't come in SM?
>>26089053
You guys think the Pokken guys are seeing this list and kicking themselves for not including Greninja in the game? Or was his absence on purpose in order to have some hype-worthy caracters still available for the possible sequel?
>>26092463
Tretta also has anime stuff like Ash's Hat Pikachu and Sunglasses Pancham, though.
>>26092572
I'd honestly have lovedMeloettain Pokken
The reason for Archeops, Archen, Arbok, Beautifly and other such Pokemon being so high is the "vote through the anime" system, where all the Pokemon are listed in alphabetical order. Lots of people probably just clicked something random or chose a Pokemon they liked from the top of the list instead of scrolling around too much.
>>26092835
>Arceus is the first one
no wonder it got so many votes.
>>26092878
Arceus isn't even on that page
It's
>Archeos (Archeops)
>Archen
>Arbo (Ekans)
>Arbok
>Armaldo
>Aiant (Durant)
>Agilder (Accelgor)
>Agnome (Azelf)
>Agehunt (Beautifly)
>Asanan (Meditite)
>>26092906
well that explains a massive portion of the list, then.
greninja is the hamstergirl of pokemon and needs to be censored
>Genesect and Arceus
>no Raichu or Scrafty
Not bad overall though.
>>26093284
Froakie and Greninja are on the list.
>>26090033
Hell Yeah Archeops!
>>26089053
It's like the Ditto poll all over again. Except I am pleasantly surprised Lucario didn't even make the top 10.
>Results Announcement Ceremony
>150 groups of 2 people each, for a total of 300 people, will be invited to the results announcement ceremony via lottery!
>Let's see the moment when the Pokémon that brilliantly won first place gets announced together!!
>Time and date: Tuesday June 7th - doors open at 6pm / show starts at 6:30pm (show is expected to run until 7pm)
>Location: TOHO Cinemas Roppongi Hills
>Speakers: Shoko Nakagawa, Rica Matsumoto, Tomohisa Sako, Tsunekazu Ishihara (President and CEO of The Pokémon Company), Hirokazu Tanaka (President and CEO of Creatures Inc.) and Junichi Masuda (Game director at Game Freak Inc.)
>Invitees: 150 groups of 2 people each, for a total of 300 people
>Deadline: Noon Friday May 13th
Holy shit they're taking this seriously.
>>26089053
decent list
wanted some nice rare and broken move arceus tho
what would a greninja receive to be even better (realistically)?
inb4 final gambit because muh ninja
sludge bomb and sludge wave are fine too, so is mud bomb
>>26090139
Yes, Greninja is leading in fact even withour Lucario.
>>26090295
Magnemite aka Coil was spammed in the wifi trades as request to join the BW2 Join Unova, in fact Koiru means something like "join / union" in Japanese.
Also Magneton is a flawless design.
>>26089053
I'm still laughing at the fact that Lucario isn't even in the Top 20. Most based list of all time. Thank you based Japbros!
>>26093613
>in fact Koiru means something like "join / union" in Japanese
No, it's because the constant stream of traded Coil was referred to as "the Coil coil". It's a meme because pun.
>>26093589
Knock Off
Any offensive Ground attack
That's pretty much it
>>26089456
The only one that would even come close to Protean is Drizzle, and that's only because it has U-Turn
>>26089463
I'm honestly not surprised it only managed 10th, since it's the only one up there on a concerted effort and not just popularity or worth.
>>26090033
>Flygon on 80
Noice
>>26090033
>magnemite randomly that high
This is pretty funny to me, especially next to all those event mons and more conventionally popular Pokemon.
>>26090033
People should also take into account that the people voting know there will be an event based on these Pokemon.
>>26093797
it's like you forgot magnemite's meme status
>>26089053
>"Which pokemon do you want an event distribution of?"
>Top votes are mostly event distribution only pokemon
Who would have thought?!
>>26093797
It's a mememon.
>>26089053
Zygarde must be popular in Japan if he made into tiop 10 and he'snot even a mythical or an obvious fan favourite like Pikachu, Charizard or Greninja
>>26093998
He's being pushed really hard everywhere right now.
Meowth is not happy with these results:
>>26093909
>>26093915
>>26093923
>>26093930
>>26093938
>>26089053
I think steelix should've won
>>26094014
True but that could go both ways: Zygarde becoming popular or people getting tired of Zygarde. Seems its the former. I wasnt sure if Zygarde will get a role in Sun and Moon but it seems we might see more of him afterall.
>>26090033
>Beautifly over Volcarona at all
Someone explain.
Also many bros and favs made in (20 or so), many were left outside: Stunfisk, Persian.
Nice to see Empoleon, Magnemite, Kyurem, Regigigas, Porygon and few others.
Feel like some made in just for the sake of another regular distribution like Keldeo, Mew and some others rather than for an event move one.
