First for Zippy a shit

>crying about Y2 PvP
True mark of a shitter

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Is it possible to finish Y2 Triumphs if I only have story and Y2 class so far?

>>148112216
Have you tried playing for fun instead of taking it seriously?

>>148112345
yes

>>148112345
u wot

>>148112345
Yes there's plenty of time.

>>148112375

>fun

Where do you think we are

>>148112162

Here's the thing fucko, everyone had tlw and thorn

Everyone had a perfect roll shotgun

Everyone had a perfect sniper

That IS balance, in y2 I don't have a good shotgun and I've only got mediocre snipers especially considering the cancer of hidden hand

>>148112458
you obviously haven't played long enough

ttk gave everyone a free god roll shotgun and cancer sniper as a quest

>>148112375
Fuck off.

How anyone can have fun when they lose games I don't know.

"We lost but that was a really fun game!!! :D:D:D:D:D wow that was so fun good game other team!!"

Fucking cancer.

>>148112458
Fuck off inter you have a hidden hand longbow your argument is invalid

>>148112458
>everyone had one
No, but good try kid. You crying about hidden hand is hilarious, as if shot package shotguns weren't just as much cancer.

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>>148112594

gg
simply GG

>>148112162
I used Red Death and Found Verdict a lot and rolled over people. Like I said, there was easy to use, but there was. LOT of viability. I've never even owned a Felwinters a my second most kills weapon archetype is probably shotguns iirc. You didn't need a Felwinters to be a shotgun god. Trust me. I'd knos

>>148112610
You could shut down a shotgun babby with ease, because they literally run at you like a mad dog, so just shoot them as they come towards you.

How do you deal with a sniper? Snipe them back?

Fucking lol. At that point you're at the mercy of latency and the difference between their aim assist and yours.

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Whoever said that they missed their Manifold Seeker set in the other thread, and I said you could still get it in PoE 28, I was being serious. You can still get the year 1 PS set.

>>148112580
Actually just fuck off retard

The difference in quest conspiracy theory and a perfect party crasher is vast. There is no way to consistently obtain a hidden hand sniper.

With two equally skilled players, the one lucky enough to get God roll guns wins

That is the opposite of balance.

>>148112602
I'm over here
>>148112668

>zippy is so bad at the game he has to hide behind the excuse that year 2 crucible is broken when it's in perfect balance right now
Anyone that tries to say year 1 crucible was broken is retarded and a shitter

>>148112676
>how do you deal with a sniper
Flank them with a shotgun? Use a grenade? Christ it's like if they're not running in a straight line at you with a shotgun you have no idea how to deal with them.

>>148112738
Are you drunk inter these posts are fucking incoherent

>>148112610
Just like everyone has a hidden hand sniper and rangefinder party crasher in y2?

The facts are that in year one more people had equal weapons. There is no way you can defend getting lucky enough to own a hidden hand long bow

>>148112703
>>148111819

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>>148112703
Thanks strikercodex. I owe you

>>148112817
Your shitpost is contradicting your real post.
Y2 is objectively unbalanced and shit
Y1 was objectively better balanced and not shit

>>148112890
I'm tired. I've been exhausted the past couple days.

>>148112821
>How do you deal with a sniper
These days? Hide behind a wall. If they have a glint on you and you're not already zoomed in, 9/10 times you're dead. PS: that wasn't the case Y1

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>Look through lfg for fun
>People wanting trials demanding over 1.3 kd
>They themselves have below 1.2 kd

These people deserve to be bullied

>>148112821
And then when you get close enough they'll either no scope you thanks to aim assist, quick scope you thanks to aim assist, melt you with a doctrine of passing because bungie forgot to nerf it or (my favourite meme) pull out a universal remote.

Nice, that's fucking perfect balance mate.

>>148112817
Considering my KDR literally started to tank once Year 2 crucible hit (The post is here >>148111419 ) I'm pretty sure it's fairly obvious what the issue here is.

>Anyone that tries to say year 1 crucible was broken is retarded and a shitter

So you're either a shitter HH relying babby or you never actually played Year 1 crucible.

Literally every streamer has said that year 2 crucible is complete ass.

Go and ask them yourself, Year 2 crucible is pure garbage.

Zippy and inter have a point, there used to be so many crucible pubstomp parties going on in year 1 but in year 2 you're lucky to find 1 from dg

>>148112594
kys the PVP is still fun

>all this crying about Y2 PvP

K E K S I S

>>148113076
Subjective.

In my opinion it's hot trash.

PvE is fun, PvP is complete shite.

>>148113072
Because they're all salty they can't form a premade and stomp scrubs into the ground for hours on end anymore. Now they have to actually try and play and they can't take it. They're too shit to adapt to the meta of their skill level and would rather cry about "ye olde days" where they could win matches with their OP setup.

All this crying about Hidden Hand is fucking hilarious. It's not like it turns your gun into a fucking aim not or makes you invulnerable. Jesus Christ, git gud.

>>148112951
lol...

>>148113072
Actually, that's probably due to a lack of players in /dg/.

However, the reason for said lack of players is because of how shit the PvP is.

All the PvP Gods like Cat Kite etc. dropped this game because of how shitty the PvP is and they refuse to touch it.

If people are legit saying I'm shit and it's not the lack of balance in the crucible then I want to know how someone can instantly become shit over night going from a 1.6/7KDR to 0.9KDR.

>>148113194
Because the game gave shitters like you a chance to try and compete with the good players. This game takes no skill anymore

>>148113194
>win matches with their OP setup.
>All this crying about Hidden Hand is fucking hilarious

Are you actually daft? How many times do I have to reiterate the same thing? In y1 everyone had op weapons. In y2 op weapons are gated behind retarded rng.

Does this not make sense to you?

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>Y2 PVP
What went wrong?

>>148113302
>e-explain my k/d dropping

SBMM. You're finally playing people at your level and you're not good enough to hang so it keeps dropping, it's simple.

>>148113076
>play with /dg/
>have to carry but at least it's not back breaking

>play solo
>backbreaking solo carry that leads to games lost at sub 100pt differences

SBMM IS """"""""FUN""""""""

>>148113194
>they cant stomp anymore
But I can. I do. Check the last IB games I played with /dg/. I solo carried with like 4.0's. The difference is it's not fun anymore. I have to carry. I can't just play good enough for a couple people and let my team do the objectives. I have to play for everything. I can't even trust people on /dg/ to do it anymore if they play with me. It's not fun anymore because the matchmaking made it that way. Overwatch's forced 50 is in Destiny for me. I either get lucky enough to carry or we get fucked because I didn't do good enough. It's how Y2 has been for me for a long time and I fucking hate it.
As for the rest of /dg/. everyone that's left sucks. What do I have to work with? Cat left, Kite left, Shinobuu left, Mir left, Sippy fell down the drain, jar'd got to memey, Matt went to reddit tier. What the fuck am I supposed to do? Play with joff, jiro, dragonheart, zippy and pandox and hope everything ends up okay?

Hidden hand is stupid. It increases aim assist to unreasonable levels and allows shots to happen that shouldn't even be possible.

>>148113372
SBMM is broken when certain variables (like me) are involved with you (shitter)

>>148113363
The difference is hidden hand isn't OP. it's just the best perk for a sniper. It's not like shot package where it turned a shotgun into a cross map sniper.

You want a good shotgun? Get your welfare Conspiracy. You want a good sniper? Use your precious Y1 Her Benevolence

>>148113469
>I have to try to win every game

WEIRD IT'S ALMOST LIKE ITS COMPETITIVE OR SOMETHING????????

>>148113493
>The difference is hidden hand isn't OP.

Yeah we're done here.

>>148113469
>he cares about winning
You're still doing well so why care about the rest of the team?

>>148113372
SBMM was not part of this game at the start of Year 2.

It was introduced a month or so later.

And if SBMM is the reason I get matched up against streamers/paid carriers in every trials game despite being complete trash now then cool.

Working as intended, right?

>>148113493
>It's just the best perk for a sniper

Please, tell me why it's the best perk for the sniper.

I'm actually gagging to hear this so you can undo your entire argument right here.

>>148113664
>Bungie are trying to make a casual tier PvP game competitive

But why??? Isn't that what trials is for? Why shove SBMM down our throat when this game has no balance?

>>148113664
WEIRD. IT'S ALMOST LIKE DESTINY ISN'T A COMPETITIVE FUCKING GAME OR SOMETHING???
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A CORE ASPECT TO THE GAME CHANGED HALFWAY THROUGH THE GAME'S LIFE FOR NO PARTICULAR FUCKING REASON???
IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT THAT IT'S NOT FUN BEING THE ONLY HOPE OF YOUR FUCKING TEAM??????????

>>148113772
Because winning is the most important thing. The K/D is just a bonus. I cannot have fun going 3.0 while losing the game by a 1/3rd difference.

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Man, Bungeis' game is fucking glitchy as hell and they need to fix it. Sometimes I can be playing a game as normal, killing and being killed then suddenly my guns stop doing damage and no one can see me. Grenades and Super are the only thing that fucking work then. I figured out the way to reset that is to just kill myself, but fuck man. What is Bungo doing.

>>148113847
You get matched up against them because of your year 1 stats

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>>148113978
Blame the piece of shit unstable servers.

In our trials runs yesterday we had at least 3 people on the other team that dc'd and turn the game into a 3v2

It's a fucking farce.

>>148113847
wasn't your zippy-approved sniper back in Y1 Her Benevolence w/ /SG/HH/Snapshot/Unflinching?

>>148113847
Its the best perk for a sniper because its gives you the most obvious benefit, especially for the class being OHKO weapons. It is not as OP as shot package, please don't even attempt to go there. I'd even argue it should be removed but its not gonna make a shitter some snipe god doing 360 no scopes all of the sudden.

>>148114043
Is it jsut me or have the severs been more unstable since the last update? I'm having trouble in Heroic Strikes as well.

>>148113997
THATS THE ISSUE
Y1 stats shouldn't even be in the calculation for SBMM. It wasn't at launch. It's relatively brand fucking new.
You don't see other popular using previous season stats. They do provisionals to determine where you belong. They don't retroactively take your previous stats, do a complete 180 on the game, and assume everything will be o fucking kay.
Bungie did it with Destiny and it turned out to be a hot fucking mess.

>>148114098
It was a perfect roll sniper because of how bullshit those perks in combination were, yes.

Did I ever get one? No.

Here's the thing, Her Benevolence wasn't an issue.

Why? Because you could go to banshee and pay him to fucking give you the weapon everyone else is using. What would it cost? A few weapon parts and glimmer? If you didn't have enough of those go run strikes for an hour and continue to try and get it.

What about now? You want a Hidden Hand longbow? Tough shit, first you gotta get a rank up. THEN you got to hope you get a longbow. THEN you need to get on your knees and fucking pray shaxx has given you hidden hand on that piece of shit.

>>148114110
So you're admitting that it gives shitters who don't have a true aim a second chance.

Thanks, all I needed.

I'm done here.

>>148113997
As inter said, it's a complete fucking joke.

There's a massive difference between the gameplay of Year 1 and Year 2.

They should be using current stats, not stacked stats that are a year old.

That's fucking retarded.

They're trying to push Destiny in the hopes it becomes a competitive esports game like CoD or even like halo was, but it's not going to happen because of how much of a cluster fuck it is.

>>148114197
They have been.

Then again when have bungie servers ever been stable.

>>148114273
desu all you need on a 1KYS/Longbow/LDR is shortgaze and you're ready to go

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this is a casual loot grinder game you faggots

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>All this Y1 talk

liek ig u cry eveitiem

>>148114273
>so you're admitting
Weird, I specifically said "it doesn't make shitters snipe gods". But good job glossing over that in an attempt to come off as superior.

You wanna tell me Hidden Hand is a bullshit perk that is too useful on snipers? I'm right there with you. But don't sit there and tell me it's OP, because its not. It doesn't mean you'll win every fight just because you have it.

Anyone got any good destiny reaction images? I want to build a folder.

>>148114603
You'll win every fight against someone of equal and slightly higher skill level that doesn't have it because of it's ability to stick better.
This is fact.
Shot package may have been the STRONGER perk at its prime, but Hidden Hand is the BEST WITHOUT EQUAL right now. You could fight shot package Y1. Good luck fighting Hidden Hand Y2

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>>148114572

But there is no need to cry

>>148114603
I didn't say it makes them snipe gods, I said it gives them a second chance, which it does.

If they don't have a true aim it doesn't matter, they will get that dome shot and there's not shit you can do about that.

So no, I didn't gloss over anything. You can not deny that it makes a bad sniper better.

>It doesn't mean you'll win every fight just because you have it

Then you're fucking trash. Give me a LB with SG/HH and I'll show you.

>>148114727

>no arc damage

it's trash

>>148114683
Not necessarily.

>>148114767
>you're bad

I'm done here.

>>148114801
It's still pretty fun

>tfw no elemental legendary primaries ever again

>>148114942

nah after the handcanons nerf, things will never be the same again

>>148114870
So not only did you avoid trying to counter Inters post but you also made shit up to avoid countering mine.

I'm glad you're done, means I won't waste any more time having someone tell me that Hidden Hand isn't a broken perk and Shot Package is worse.

>>148114870

>Not necessarily
You can't just say that and not explain why
Its obvious from that post you've run out of damage control.

>>148115036
Because HH doesn't guarantee you win every engagement. I've said it in nearly every post. As in "not necessarily". It gives you more aim assist, that doesn't necessarily mean you win every 1v1 sniper fight.

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Are we really getting only one new strike with the new expac?

>>148115241

So you admit you know it gives more aim assist but you defend it?
If zippy didnt say it I'll say it

You're bad.

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Also what the fuck with this SIVA and more copypasted Cosmodrome shit? Have the kikes really lost all shame?

>>148115256
1 brand new one yeah, probably 2-3 remixed ones as well. Rise of Iron is gonna be shit.

>>148115241
You don't fucking get it. The reason why HH is so fucking good is because it lessens the skill curve around sniping with its increase ability to stick to targets. Meaning, even the most basic bitch who can aim can land headshots with no effort.

dead game
dead thread

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what if the new mode had normalized weapon stats, and nullified perks? (normalized AA, Impact, RoF, etc... weapons would just be skins here)

I reckon it'd be fun as fuck and something bungie could actually truly balance
>inb4 "you mean like [fps game]"

>>148117275
No, that sounds lame.

>>148117275
That would be a game mode that would legit show who is actually good at the game and who isn't.

>>148118231
so nobody would play it

>>148118375
I would.

Get rid of supers and shit and it would be great.

Starter guardian PvP mode when?

Just play your guardian class with the base stats, khvostov and the preacher shotgun.

>>148118412
>just make it call of duty and i'd like it
Just play Call of Duty zip.

>>148118502

That would be cool kinda
But it's dead game Bungie we're talking about so

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>>148114612
Topical

>>148118642
>only two hands

one job

>>148115256
>stains.jpg

>>148112458
the vanguard quests gave you near perfect shotgun and sniper. if you can't utilize the 1000yd stare/Conspiracy Theory given to you by the vanguard quest, you suck

>>148112821
don't bother trying to explain to babies who cry about snipers. snipers got nerfed and they still cry. they'll never understand.

>>148118549
I'm good at it already, I don't need to.

>>148118961
>Snipers got nerfed

By what? Reducing ammo capacity? That's not a nerf, that's called fucking PvE players in the ass.

>>148118756
>near perfect shotgun and sniper. if you can't utilize the 1000yd stare/Conspiracy Theory given to you by the vanguard quest, you suck

You will lose to a player of equal skill with a good party crasher or hidden hand sniper

Is that OK with you?

>>148112703
>strikercodex
is this bait? is Datto in your day 1 raid team?

>>148119108
>You will lose to a player of equal skill
nice meme inter.

>>148119059
We really should play black ops again so I can flex

>>148119206
Stop with this meme

>>148118961

>Snipers nerfed
>Can still get headshots while under heavy fire

Honestly, I've never seen snipers more broken than they are in Destiny.

Mid range? No problem. Close range? No fucking problem. You can't aim worth a damn? Here, take Hidden Hand, even better if you CAN aim.

Should be like Halo where you get kicked out of ADS if you get hit anyway.

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Why do people want a fourth subclass so bad

They always start making up some edgy element and shit and their ideas are all terrible.

Just add new perks to the existing classes

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DUDES
Do you want Destiny 2 to have a fresh start or an option to transfer of your character?

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>>148119576

All I want is a new alien frontier to explore
But no, fuck you have more of this cosmodrome shiete

>>148119576

I've gotten tired of calling them out. It's always some retarded bullshit. I remember the one where some faggot was talking about a new Titan class where the super was one angel wing and one demon wing or some shit. They don't have a fucking clue how balance works.

>Hurr the new grenade does little damage but reflects damage back to you that's totally balanced.

>>148119573
>Should be like Halo where you get kicked out of ADS if you get hit anyway.
Thats not nerfing snipers, thats completely gutting them from being used for the majority of the playerbase. Really all they have to do is remove Hidden Hand from the perk pool. If people are still bitching about it after that then I don't know what to tell you. Hidden Hand seems to be the entire driving force behind everyone's complaints for the weapon type.

>>148119576
Decay is an element that exists within Destiny fiction if thats what you're talking about.

>>148119586
The entire pitch was that it would be a 10 year journey with your character. Making us start over would retroactively make these first 3 years a complete waste of time.

>>148119751
Decay is retarded. Isnt it basically just a Hive element anyway?
I doubt it would ever come into play as an element of light.

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>>148119576

A HEALING SUBCLASS CLASS

:D

>>148119724
>some faggot was talking about a new Titan class where the super was one angel wing and one demon wing or some shit

jesus christ that's some 12yo Deviant Art JRPG level shit

>>148119997
Mercy pls

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>>148119751
>it would be a 10 year
>it's 2 years already
>the journey is still shit

>>148119997
Isn't that defender, technically?

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rate pls

>>148119108
this implies that every encounter is given the ideal condition to test who has the better shotgun or sniper roll, which is not the case

>>148119059
not going to bother trying to reason. plenty of players know how to minimize risk vs snipers in PvP, and plenty of players maximize sniper effectiveness just fine in PvE.

>>148120154
>not saying up/down
every fucking time/10

>>148119997
Wouldnt mind some Perks to actually make some subclasses more Support Oriented.

>While Radiance is Active your teammates are healed over time in your vicinity.
>Defender Bubbles trigger health regeneration when you enter them
>Voidwalkers can teleport friendlies with their nova bomb to the point of casting

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snipers are meant to be powerful
shotguns are meant to be powerful

nerf Special Ammo sources and/or the cooldown
then nerf LitC on HCs
then nerf flinch on PRs
then get these premades out or make freelancer perma

yay

>>148120237
>>Voidwalkers can teleport friendlies with their nova bomb to the point of casting

The class would be called trollwalkers

>>148119751

Gutting them? When they are cross-map range weapons that should be getting the first shot anyway? I stand by what I said, if you're sniping and you get shot because you suck at sniping and didn't either A. Kill with the headshot or B. Bodyshot and proceeded to clean up, then you SHOULD be forced to relocate. The fuck? That's how snipers ARE.

>>148119586
about the 10 year journey like the other anon said, I hope there is a mix of starting fresh and keeping progression. I'm sure we'll keep everything from the kiosks/grimoire going into Destiny 2, but a part of me wishes everything else gets wiped

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Any lorefags here?
Can someone explain me what are servitors? Are they being piloted by fallen inside or are they some kind of living machines?

>>148120325
:^)

>>148120156
>and plenty of players maximize sniper effectiveness just fine in PvE
They have literally taken away ammo capacity, with the unspecified promise of "more ammo drops" (Which nobody has really noticed), all in order to reduce sniper effectiveness in PvP, which it can't, because that's not their problem.

>>148120237
>Voidwalkers can teleport friendlies with their nova bomb to the point of casting

Christ that shit would be hilarious in Control

>Enemy team on point C
>Nuke them all with novabomb
>Obsidian mind gives you insta-super gain from the teamwipe
>Your own team is instantly ready to re-cap the point
>Repeat all match long

>>148120545
They're machines that create ether, which the fallen need to live

>>148120545

From what I gather, they are really big, sentient AI's that process all kinds of matter into the Ether the Eliksni need to survive. Every one we kill is as good as hundreds of Eliksni dead.

>>148120545
just read the servitor grimoire card

>>148120185
First column usually is some shitty reload perk. What flusters me more is not stating whether it's CB or PB because that actually is a huge difference on that thing.

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hey zippy your 4th wife is wearing cat ears :^)

>>148120545
Last remnants of the high-time of the fallen's own golden age. Made in resemblance of the traveller.

The traveller gave humans light and ghosts, but it gave eliksni "ether". Ether makes Eliksni strong and grow to super sizes. The ones who get the most ether ending up Kell-sized.

Servitors, as fallen made mini-travellers, produce and provide ether for fallen to thrive on and to keep the alive.

Fallen revere them as gods, cause they need ether to survive. But as ghost said in one of the missions, their AI is actually not that advanced.

>>148120808
Perfect Balance is always on the left side for future reference. Counterbalance is on the right.

>>148120814

>that manjaw

wew

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>>148120545
Living machines from the Fallens golden age.
They supply the Fallen with Ether that they use to breathe and live. Some people think the fallen are dead and the servitors ether keep them alive. Servitors can also fill in other roles, some pilot ships, others are used as warminds in a way. In the Fallen Raid with the Archon priest Cayde says "kill the archon before his soul can be restored." Which could cement the theory that Servitors are kind of Pseudo ghosts that can revive them. Its possible that the Fallen copied the travellers Ghosts?

Why does zippy feel the need to have his trip on 24/7? Is he that much of an attention starved faggot?

>>148120665
>>148120704
>>148120758
>>148120817

Thanks for answers
Last one >>148120817 especially

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>>148120704
>From what I gather
HE COMMAND THE SIEGE DANCERS FROM AN IMPERIAL LAND TANK OUTSIDE OF RUBICON

@148120940
Hi Zippy. No (You) for you.

>>148120974

I read that in his voice

>>148120857
Oh well, in that case it's pretty mediocre. Thanks for the info though.

>>148120445
>Gutting them?
If all you've got to do is fart a sniper and he gets de-scoped, meaning effectively removed from that engagement, yes, you'd be gutting them. Doing this would either push people toward sniper camping, or it'd make snapshot and hidden hand even more of a requirement than it already is.

>When they are cross-map range weapons that should be getting the first shot anyway?
Its easy as hell to get a single shot off at a sniper in a fight. The only thing de-scoping would do is punish everyone using the weapon but the top of the top 1% of players in terms of sniper skill. This is a casual game at its core, punishing the majority of the playerbase with some competitive game design is ridiculous and by all accounts seem completely counter to Bungie's goals with the game.

>you SHOULD be forced to relocate. That's how snipers ARE.
This is bordering on an argument about snipers not being realistic enough, watch it.

>Doom of Chelchis
>"Where is the great machine? Where is the great machine?"

Is this a Fallen kell speaking about the traveller?

>>148121120
yes

>>148121120
was Chelchis a Kell? also yes. btw, the descriptions of the King's Fall raid weapons are the last words of someone that Oryx has killed/taken

>>148121116

Then increase flinch, decrease accuracy while under fire, the point is, a sniper shouldn't be winning ANY kind of fucking firefight in which they did not get the first shot in.

>>148121237
Well I figured they were the last words of the strongest he has ever taken of each race. So I just assumed he was a kell.

>>148121269
>a sniper shouldn't be winning ANY kind of fucking firefight in which they did not get the first shot in.
They win just as often as they lose, its not that big of a deal.

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>>148121120
Yes. Chelchis was the Kell of stone. The last great kell of all eliksni, who reigned during the time the darkness came for the eliskni world.

The traveller then, fled as well, and what you see is Chelchis desparingly wondering where the traveller went.

There's also this item. The maw likely being what the eliksni called the darkness.

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>>148121404

What is DARKNESS
rev up those theories
A BLACK TRAVELLER AY

Inter, are you here? Did you guys do the heist? I fell asleep not long after zippy joined the party.

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>>148121404
Thanks, I love the lore more than anything in this game. Some of it can really paint a vivid picture.

>giant battle of fallen vs taken
>Chelchis crying out as he troops are taken one by one
>As one of the last few and strongest of kell Oryx decides to take him personally
>While the blight overtakes his body he can only scream in anguish "Where is the great machine?"

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>>148120814
It's like it was meant to be :')

>>148120940
Fuck off.

>>148121013
Fuck off. That wasn't me.

If I wanted (You)'s I'd just tell this faggot damage controlling about Hidden Hand how wrong he is.

>>148121697
No prince.

>>148121639
there are grimoire cards that tell how oryx converses with the darkness, I think the books of sorrow

they confirm that the darkness is a sentient thing, it's not just all the other races we face but a conscious super power

it believes that the natural state of the universe is conflict and that it's natural for all live to fight for survival, so that in the end only one last thing remains with the right to exist, and the darkness sees itself as this basic principle given sentience

it hates the traveller because the travellers way of uplifting races and making them live prosperous and in harmony is digusting and unnatural

>>148119576
I want hybrid subclasses or the ability to switch the elements on our current elemental classes

The thought of a Arc hammer throwing Titan seems cool

>>148121738
I like how all of the raid weapons have little snipets about the weapon they're named after.

It's interesting.

More interesting than "A weapon made from skin and bone of the taken king" or some shit.

>>148121849
That sounds awful.

What would be the use of them having elements at that point?

>>148121818

I was more thinking of how it may look like
Maybe its form when humanity faced it? A BLACK PLANET
Or black smoke?
Why did it let Oryx live and not destroyed it?

>>148121849
>The thought of a Arc hammer throwing Titan seems cool

I like the idea of a solar ward of dawn

>defensive dome burning red hot with the fury of suns
>enemy take more damage the closer they get
>unique perk: gravity well - getting too close makes enemies get dragged in

>>148121818
>it believes that the natural state of the universe is conflict and that it's natural for all live to fight for survival, so that in the end only one last thing remains with the right to exist, and the darkness sees itself as this basic principle given sentience

So basically sword logic.

>>148121976
>Why did it let Oryx live and not destroyed it?

I think that too is covered in the books of sorrow.
Basically Oryx said "you know what, you're right."

So Oryx became an agent of the darkness and lived by the darkness' ideology. There's a new race we encounter? Time to use the sword logic the darkness taught me. Might makes right. Kill them all.

>>148120185
that would be injection mold.
scopes are red dot - ors & red dot - oas

>>148121869
I really enjoy that they can give such rich history to everything in the game right down to weapons and armor pieces. I adore the mystery.

Also, Praedyth was placed outside of time right? So, was Kabr also placed outside of time or is he actually the relic? I have heard that he infused himself into it and on the other end I've heard that he simply placed all of his light into it then died.

>>148122043

Then it should respect the guardians
I MEAN THOSE DUDES STOMP EVERYTHING

>>148122043
wow zippy, its almost like thats where sword logic comes from!

>>148122043
>So basically sword logic.

Yes, that's exactly where Oryx got his sword logic from. The conversation with the darkness.

Really recommend a reading, the books of sorrow dropped a fuckload of lore but since none of it is readable in the game, hardly anyone knows about it:

http://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/books-of-sorrow

>>148122194
I'm pretty sure that's where the story will lead.

I mean for fucks sake we kill each other as a way of training for things to come.

>>148122193
His light is within the relic, he died but technically lives through the relic.

>>148122205
Pretty sure he was just saying that's what it is you patronising shit

>>148122280
>he died but technically lives through the relic.
>being smashed around for eternity now

being Kabr is suffering

>>148122205
Fuck off.

>>148122228
I've read a bit, mainly the parts that have interested me like the ones on crota and the daughters, but that's about it.

>>148122329
fuck off zidf

>>148122194
Yeah that's the fun part. The grim cards of Oryx' defeat tell us how, by the sword logic, we trumped Oryx and created a hole. Technically, we are supposed to take Oryx slot as we are the stronger, but the guardians don't do that. They just stick around the last city.

The irony in the whole thing is, as guardians with ghosts, we do perfectly live the ideology of the darkness, but use the travellers light to do so. Guardians are actually a really grey thing in the middle at this point.

>>148120857
true, also,you gotta choose between hidden hand and counterbalance, they occupy the same slot

the perfect balance icon has additional lines around it as well

>>148121364
This is a lie.

>>148122398
I think the deeper we go even though the traveler is supposed to be good, at some point we will become the bad, but we will see the traveller as the bad and us as the good.

Maybe us abandoning the traveller or the traveller abandoning us as we begin to get lost in the darkness, and we end up facing the new race the traveller goes to.

Our ghosts could still have the power to revive us via some dark magic shit, but no longer part of the light.

Calling it now, new PvP mode with RoI will be the equivalent of Warzone in Halo.

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>>148122560
The traveler already likely tried to abandon us. It won't manage to do that for sure unless we fix the gaping hole rasputin left in it. If they tried to make a story line out of that, every player would see what's coming from a mile off.

>>148122565

That would be cool
Warzone is the only good thing that came out of 5

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>>148122603
Vanilla Story was such a clusterfuck, holy shit.
I played through it on my alt within 4 hours on saturday
>good morning m8 lets get to the city
>there's some weird shit going on check it out
>oh shit it's hive from the moon go to the moon
>they have a shard of the traveler but there's actually something more dangerous, let's go to venus
>shit m8 vex we gotta kill them, now go to mars
>lmao cabal also here's a dark blob
>GRATS SENPAI U DID IT

>>148122649
Oh yeah good point.

What if there's a background job going on that we're not aware of?

>>148122649
Still my favorite part of the story. "The Traveler hides here at the last bastion of humanity, our last hope etc", when in reality it's only still here because Rasputin nuked the piece of shit out of the sky.

MY EYES ARE WIDE

MY GAZE IS LONG

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>>148122904

What was the heart of black garden anyway?

>>148118502
Considering for a long time in the beginning people were asking for a mode like that and instead Bungie gave us Mayhem, never.

>>148123008
Where can i find out about Rasputin nuking the traveler?
>>148123210
I always thought it was the rift that Crota cut through himself. But that doesnt make sense as it seems sentient.

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>>148122398
we are technically stronger than oryx (as a fireteam of six) by sword logic, but if anything canonically beat us, they would become stronger than us, and by extension oryx, through that sword logic
dont forget that oryx had two sisters of equal mind boggling power

>>148122560
>>148122950
traveller is our deadbeat mom but shes only trying to make a zombie army to try and ward against the bizarro traveller (the 51st moon of whatever the fuck)

we dont know anything because our mom is passed out all the time and is bad at communicating, but shes not the Ultimate Evil

remember that The Darkness is basically the embodiment of Entropy, the end of all existence and the Heat Death of the Universe
shits bad, yo

>>148121738
>>148121404
>>148121120

>Chelchis and the Eliksni fleet stand between their home planet and Oryx and the worm gods
>The Eliksni manage to land on the Dreadnought with Chelchis and the strongest Archon priests and captains to take down Oryx
>Chelchis knows with the Great Machine's power they will be victorious
>Even after all his fleet is wiped out, after he has killed perverse version of his own underlings Chelchis is still standing against Oryx
>He will have his revenge, he will save their planet
>Suddenly his powers weaken and he is forced to his knees
>Then he hears it, a message to all Eliksni. The Great Machine is gone, fled. The planet is doomed.
>As Chelchis feels his body and very soul being torn apart, with his last strenght he gazes at his planet and screams with a mix of fear and anger: "WHERE IS THE GREAT MACHINE? WHERE IS THE GREAT MACHINE?"

>>148123326

>the end of all existence and the Heat Death of the Universe

It talked to Oryx!
I'm imagining something from 5th element now

>>148123369

>At Bungie HQ
>So what kind of lore do we want guys?
>As vague as possible, let the faggots have their fantasies
>Success

>>148122950
The speaker will be a central part of it, probably made some promises to new monarchy or something too.

I'd like for the FWC and their oracle machine to figure it out, sparking a full scale faction war in future content.

>>148123008
Fucking aliens man, can't trust 'em.

>>148123295
It's a Dark Souls lore-tier theory, but at least to me it makes sense. I think the basic gist to it is that first, the part of the Traveler that is damaged is the one facing earth, not space. Then, that Rasputins goal as a warmind is to protect Humanity, only way to really do that against the darkness is to keep the traveler around.
And if Rasputin has already abandoned the goal of protecting mankind due to mad power fantasies he still has to protect himself, which also works best by keeping humanity and the traveler around.

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>>148123210
Ok so the Vex have something called "Radiolaria" inside them. Its the goopy stuff that drips out when you hit their weak spot.
Its essentially "Mind Fluid" possibly where the Vex keep their sentience.
The heart of the black garden could potentially be a gigantic cluster of Radiolaria.

http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-mysteries

I bear an old name. It cannot be killed. They were my brothers and sisters and their names were immortal too but Titanomachy came and now those names live in me alone I think and think is what I do. I AM ALONE. At the end of things when the world goes dim and cold or hot and close or it all tears apart from the atom up I will shout those names defiant and past the end I will endure. I alone.

They made me to be stronger than them to beat the unvanquished and survive the unthinkable and look look lo behold I am here alone, survivor. They made me to learn.

Everything died but I survived and I learned from it. From IT.

Consider IT the power Titanomach world-ender and consider what IT means. I met IT at the gate of the garden and I recall IT smiled at me before before IT devoured the blossoms with black flame and pinned their names across the sky. IT was stronger than everything. I fought IT with aurora knives and with the stolen un-fire of singularities made sharp and my sweat was earthquake and my breath was static but IT was stronger so how did I survive?

I AM ALONE I survived alone. I cast off the shield and I shrugged my shoulders so that the billions fell off me down into the ash. They made me to be stronger than them and to learn and I learned well:

IT is alone and IT is strong and IT won. Even over the gardener and she held power beyond me but the gardener did not shrug and make herself alone. IT always wins.

I am made to win and now I see the way.

>>148123557
More like

>Oh shit our lead writer left and there is no fully written script, what the fuck do we do?
>Uh use his notes that only have tiny snippets of info?
>Well what do we do with them? Try to make some kind of story or codex or something?
>Just put them up on our website
>Genious

>>148123863

Thats actually pretty genious

>>148123743

But the goo is white and the hart was black or something

>>148123863
>>148123909
That's actually really legit, because it's lore, not story.

Lore is the background and world information of the past, that explains why things are the way they are.

Story is the information that displays how things develop from here on.

Lore doesn't need to be perfectly in-detail, it's enough if you get the basic picture, since there's no way to affect or alter the past it only plays a minor role.

so i just started playing a few weeks ago

what's the best way to get a handle on the lore? there's grimoire cards, but there's item descriptions and dialogue, too, and i didn't understand half of what was going on in-game.

>>148123987
Ever compared dilute and pure diluting juice?

I think the dark heart in the garden is a remnant of the darkness, back when it came to fuck the traveller.

The vex actually revere it, and the vex only revere the darkness. Nothing else.

>>148124042
People wanted an in-game grimoire for the longest while.

Right now your best way to read up on the grim cards is either bungie's site, or the ishtar collective

http://www.ishtar-collective.net/

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>>148123773

I still wonder if that is the Black Garden or some other "garden" and who was the female gardener?

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>>148124224
see the darkness is such an ambiguous term.
Personally i never saw it as actual "darkness"
I always thought the Ahamkara or the Worm Dragons were the big bads, considering they're absolutely gigantic and can potentially be bigger than our solar system, plus they come from the deep as well potential dark places.

The vex are so fucking confusing and i've got so many questions about them, i mean were they created by Crota's wound? or were they just summoned through it per chance because Savathun thought itd be funny and the vex were just chilling in their dimension? Reading into the lore the Hive and Vex fought for Hundreds of years on the Dreadnaught, The Vex created a Mind to learn about the Hive and Sword Logic and the Dark powers they use, before it was killed by Oryx it sent all it learnt to the minds of the rest of the Vex.
If i had to take a jab at what the Heart of the Garden actually IS, i'd guess it was created by the vex themselves.

Also what the fuck was the Heart of the Garden going to do, where was the immediate threat with it? it was kind of just chilling in the garden.. Was it gearing for war? I dont get why it was so important to kill it so quickly like the characters in game stressed.

>>148124613
>and who was the female gardener?

Seems to the the traveller.
If it's not the black garden on mars then garden could be earth, the traveller is the gardener tending to the flowers, which are mankind, and the darkness burned the flowers away and did away with the gardener when it arrived.

>>148123773
>IT always wins
>I am made to win and now I see the way
hey is this SIVA?

>>148124521
okay, cool

yeah, i got a grimoire card every five seconds at first, and i'd have read them if they were accessible in-game (excellent load-screen distraction). baffling decision to force you to sign into their site.

>>148124681
>I always thought the Ahamkara or the Worm Dragons were the big bads, considering they're absolutely gigantic and can potentially be bigger than our solar system, plus they come from the deep as well potential dark places.

Yeah but since TTK it seems to be clear that the darkness is an actually conscious and self aware being of immense power. With the ahamkara currently being the next thing below it with their reality altering wish-granting power.

>Also what the fuck was the Heart of the Garden going to do, where was the immediate threat with it? it was kind of just chilling in the garden.. Was it gearing for war? I dont get why it was so important to kill it so quickly like the characters in game stressed.

I honestly think this is a major fuck up. A heavily butchered vanilla story from the entire shit processes going on before release. At least it seems that way to me.

>>148124681

Maybe the Vex were a species with bodies at some point but decided to sacrife their bodies, to become liquid so they could hide from someone or something in time, to "live" forever?

>>148124782
Seems to be Rasputin. The card speaks about how the narrator confronted the darkness (assuming the darkness is IT) directly.

And in the vanilla story ghost mentions that Rasputin faced the darkness and lived.

The entire card seems to imply that Rasputin went up against the darkness and realized how impossible strong it actually is. Then he pondered how a being that is all alone can be so fucking strong and win against the traveller with all its endless light magic and the entire human empire at the golden age.

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>When you're running Heroics and the game refuses to roll you your favourite Strike

What's her name, /dg/?

>>148125117
Bond Brothers

>>148125117
this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeurOd57EqQ

>>148124681
stranger says it needs to be killed so our traveller can heal.

lore wise, its something the vex found, couldnt make sense of it so they just worshipped it. it looks and behaves like a giant blight, supposedly syphoning light from the traveller or something.

the stranger also pops in and out of timelines and has seen the near infinite ways in which humanity fails and darkness prevails, but she sees how our guardian in our timeline are winning the war

>>148125090
i was implying that the fucked up plague that were going to see in ROI was a darkness + warmind collab

Cabal are very interesting to me

>Highly militarized to the point where they can blow up planets, with units that possess mental capacities to stand before Rasputin, something not even the vex survive
>But they achived this without being powered by the darkness and there is nothing to imply they ever had the traveller on their side, it's all cabal-achieved

>The cabal have learned of ghosts
>The cabal have learned of the hive
>The cabal started to research

There's some real potential here

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>>148125117
S.A.B.E.R
Also jesus christ these blues...

>>148125342

The only thing the Cabal have started to research is how to combat the OP bullshit of the Guardians. They can't actually use any of it for themselves, nor do they have access to any of the magic the makes extracting Light possible. And I doubt they ever will seeing as how it's implied the Emperor knows how dangerous the Hive/Darkness Races are and wants nothing to do with them. He was willing to allahu akbar the entire Solar System to get rid of the Dreadnought.

>>148125342
Not to mention all the research they did on the Warmind itself.

I'd love to fight the Cabal Emperor or just get more insight to their race and their military, i was really hoping the final expansion for Y2 would be a Cabal expansion, but RoI is still great.

Imagine seeing those giant Land tanks move as well holy shit. There could be a Cabal raid on one of those Land tanks while its in motion.

>>148125342
>>148125579
will we get a cabal version of variks is the important question

>>148125342

Hopefully by Destiny 2 the signal we stop reaches their empire. I want to see the true strenght of the Cabal.

>>148125646

Land Tanks are too small to have an entire Raid happen on them.

The ship in The Breach though. Something like that would make for an interesting raid.

The Leviathan’s Warning

++We live on the edge of a war—
—a war between Formless and Form++
++between the Deep and the Sky—

++MY EYES ARE WIDE, MY GAZE IS LONG++

—Across the universe, as far as I see++
++the Sky works to charge its fires—
—and the Deep drowns the ash++

—Sky builds gentle places, safe for life++
++Beloved Fundament, refuge of trillions—
—The Sky treasures this rich place++

—BUT THE DEEP IS HERE WITH US—

++Cold logic tests our walls—
—The Deep claims its dominion++
++A ruthless, final age —

Aurash’s Protest

Old Leviathan, creature of myth, this world is no refuge. We live short, hard lives. We die in the dark. The storm above us will never end. And soon the God-Wave will take us all. Above us there are only stormjoys, monsters, and moons of apocalypse. Let us go down, down, where we may discover truth, some power to avenge ourselves upon our betrayers, some hope of survival.

The Leviathan’s Hope

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>>148125646
>>148125579

Wasnt Cabal just a species in the Empire? I imagine Empire like the covenant from Halo - lots of species, and Cabal are just Brutes or Elites there

>>148125750

And the answer is no.

The game time and time again has referred to the Cabal as honourable beings that fight only for the Empire and live to exterminate their enemies in the name of the Emperor.

Every single one of them would rather die than turn traitor.

>>148125890
instead of traitor, have they considered: bros?

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>>148125750
>will we get a cabal version of variks is the important question

GUS THE SLOVENLY WHEN?

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>>148125750

A union with the City is so logical right, I dont see ANY reasons for Cabal to fight the City

>>148125816
That would be interesting. I'd love to see the Cabal equivalant of the Prophets

>>148125958
i mean, the cabal is just Here. they dont even exist anywhere except mars

>>148125816

The Cabal is a heavy reference to the Imperium of Man, not the Covenant.

What's more likely is that the giant hulking Cabal we mostly see are genetically modified soldier, much like the Adeptus Astartes. And the Psion we see are Psyker analogues that are left unmodified to keep their powers intact and so they can serve that purpose.

Cabal are also really funny
http://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-cabal-4

I: Records, Materials, and Attributions Pursuant To Analysis

Sand Eater II Cohort/Century 1/Maniple 8
2 Squad [LINE INF]
TASK:
- sweep urban area grid 071x145 to screen BL I/3/3/5 intelligence op
OUTCOME:
- unit ambushed by solitary Guardian. no survivors

Sand Eater II Cohort/Century 1/Maniple 8
3 Squad [TAC INF]
TASK:
- reinforce II/1/8/2 in disarray grid 071x145
OUTCOME:
- unit engaged by Guardian and Vex units. no survivors.

Dust Giant IV Cohort/Century 4/Maniple 1
4 Squad [AIRMOBILE]
TASK:
- secure grid 071x145, destroy guardian target
OUTCOME:
- target Guardian temporarily destroyed. target re-engaged with Guardian reinforcements. no friendly survivors.

Dust Giant IV Cohort/Century 4/Maniple 1
Harvester Dropship [TAC AIR]
TASK:
- support IV/4/1/4 operations in 071x145
OUTCOME:
- dropship shot down. crew reported Guardians operating elaborate totem rocket weapons.

Blind Legion I Cohort/Century 3/Maniple 3
5 Squad [HEAVY INF]
TASK:
- defend Psion intelligence ops 071x146
OUTCOME:
- overwhelmed by Guardian fireteam/Vex pressure. few survivors. survivors reported Guardians foraging for equipment, dancing, and performing acrobatics with light vehicles.

>>148126138
I feel bad for the Cabal. They always seem to lose.
:(

>>148126138
II: Analysis

This is an archetypical engagement. It represents many hundreds of failed operations.

Guardian activity in the Freehold AO has exploded across recent campaign seasons. Tactical attrition exceeds both frictional projections and our ability to regenerate losses. New tactics are necessary.

The primary threat is the Guardians’ individual counter-attrition capability.

Guardians can be rebuilt after even total disintegrative trauma. This capability is provided by a small autonomous drone unit called a Dead Person [trans. unclear]. The Dead Person conceals itself during combat. It is not a viable target for direct fire. Saturation attack by artillery/heavy air/orbital fire may have good effect (although Guardians transmat frequently and refuse to assemble into large formations).

Solitary Dead Persons have been observed in all areas of operation. The relationship between solitary and paired Dead Persons remains unclear.

Psion analysis indicates that specific areas are inimicable to Guardian counter-attritional reconstruction. Phobos Command has initiated an orbital survey. BL I/2 will attack the Vex gate artifact in Meridian Bay to secure possible related intelligence.

Flayer analysis suggests that the Hive have developed unconventional counter-Dead Person capability. The capture of Hive leadership might yield vital strategic intelligence, including weapons or tactics capable of defeating Guardians permanently.

We advance that the Hive fleet group near Saturn presents a strong target.

For the Primus,
Our highest duty done,
Unflinchingly loyal,
Skyburner V/A/SI

>>148126201
aren't the Cabal we fight in the game a bunch of rag tag fuck-ups who thought they could take care of our system without higher-ups?

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THIS IS IMPORTANT
Do we know if the Book of Sorrows was written by the current devs or the writer that left?
THIS IS IMPORTANT
Because the generic route RoI is taking is worrying me

>>148125646
Cabal raid is already "confirmed" to be happening in Destiny 2

If the leak is true that Destiny 1 was supposed to have a Cabal raid, but it was cut and mowed to Destiny 2

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Y2 Crucible is good.

>>148126138

poor Cabal

71 days is a long time

>>148125579

Not really, remember that they crashed the ship so they would gain a beach head into the Dreadnought. That one mission has them gathering information on Oryx himself with a team led by the primus to take him out. Remember that Cayde speculates that the bombing might only be a gamble to get Oryx to return the Primus (since they had no idea what being taken actually meant) and it might be they had no idea blowing the core would take out half of the system.

Also just pointing out the mission Outbound signal only appears after Oryx is "killed" and the brothers are dead (in the story sense) so that implies they are only now getting into contact with the head of the empire.

>>148126052
...

>>148126376

link to "leak"?

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JA7-GNA-C4Y

>>148126651
already used :(

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>>148126651
FUCK YOU WHOEVER TOOK IT

>>148126651
YCL-9G7-JPX

>>148126834
>YCL-9G7-JPX
got it

>>148126834
"You have reached your max attempts today"
But i only failed to get the first one what

>>148126052

You could not be more wrong and it's making me angry.

>>148125090
I always took it as Rasputin learning from the darkness. Reflecting on his battle with it and realizing why it's so strong. That's why Rasputin seems to give no fucks about humanity now. He's trying to follow the sword logic.

"I am made to win and now I see the way."

>>148126876
<3

>>148126584
>>148126958
yeah i worded myself poorly
what i was trying to get at is the cabal arent exactly fucking with us at all

>>148127105
The guardians are too strong, they're trying to get intelligence and understand the travellers power before they launch an offensive on earth.

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>y1 raids now drop 335 armor/weapons
>the catch is you can only access the raids when using y1 armor/weapons

>>148127291
>only access the raids when using y1 armor/weapons

And where the fuck would I get those?

>>148127291
Well thats a bit restrictive as well as fucking retarded.
Just ramp up the Enemy levels and their damage and then it'd be fine.

>>148127030
Could be seen as a Rasputin internal conflict.

His prime directly is to protect and aid mankind.
His other directives have him to learn and survive.

He learns the sword logic, survival of the fittest, but can't actively fight mankind because that clashes with his prime directive. So his solution: Solitude. Be alone and make sure you survive. Call guardians though if you're in danger, but don't thank them or anything.

But in the end, it's speculation.

>>148127291
>locking content behind a gate that only 1/10 of the player base could meet at the time

LOL????????

>>148127291
>implying i dont have a full set of vog armor, weapons and a gjallarhorn ready to go at all times

>>148127386
by doing the raid silly, he means the 335 version is locked unless you go iin wearing full vog/crota gear

>>148127291
why require Y1 armor and weapons? Being level 40 makes it easy.

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>>148126138
>overwhelmed by Guardian fireteam/Vex pressure. few survivors. survivors reported Guardians foraging for equipment, dancing, and performing acrobatics with light vehicles.

>>148127495
>tfw I really want a full VoG set and at least four of its weapons but nobody's VoGing anymore

>>148127584
We do VoG/Crota every week, lurk moar