Previously on /tosg/: >>147345476
>Can I play the game now?
YES YOU CAN (Get it on steam!)
TOS Info: http://pastebin.com/3YcrrJkd
This includes more detailed information, as well as tools, resources, patch notes and official links.
>What is Tree of Savior?
Tree of Savior is an action MMORPG with a lot of classes, cute hats and autism grinding.
>Add-ons:
https://github.com/Excrulon/Tree-of-Savior-Addon-Manager
>Cards List:
http://pastebin.com/PrCkZ21n
>English patch for kTOS
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/general-ktest-thread/124575/645
>Servers
- kTOS - Server : Vakarine (Upside down "A" in gookspeak)
- iTOS: Klaipeda (NA), Fedimian (EU), Telsiai (SEA) , Orsha (NA)
>Official Translation Project - https://github.com/Treeofsavior/EnglishTranslation
Helping in the translation will speed up international server updates and remove unwanted machine-translated text. There are also rewards for contributors, further explained on the github page.
>/tosg/ Guilds info
There is no /tosg/ guild in Varena/Silute, if you want one, either wait for someone to make one or roll a templar.
If your guild is recruiting, please post recruitment notice in the thread.
>Klaipeda
Futureproof (Lolipan)
FOE (Jinsae)
Clover (Karga)
Cake (DeliciousCake)
CuteNotLewd (Plasmagica)
Empire (Louvain)
TakeItEasy (Moonie_)
>Orsha
Kotatsu (Colyo)
>Fedimian
CoffeeHouse (Capyba)
>Telsiai
Comfy (Katzenberg)
Good builds :
>Wizard and Archer still unedited, Discuss in thread before using
http://pastebin.com/aGk6Ku7c
dosco4rd
>>147402954
DELETE THIS
No! Don't put Mia on top of Koenig's rape!
>>147402954
Moonie ! GTFO i want to see the rape
>>147402954
I HATE YOU ALL DELETE THIS
>>147402954
Don't bully Koenig!
>>147403154
Don't start drinking again, Koenig!
>>147402954
>>147403152
How did this mia and me meme even start
Please hurry with the next doujin chapter, drawfag senpaitachi
>>147403275
post butt. it solves everything
>>147403154
>koenig gets drawn
>hates it
>drawfag asks for next subjects
>lalacow and rance
>rance begs not to be featured
is drawing just another form of bullying?
>>147403425
Have a classic
>>147403521
Basically
>>147403581
me in the back
>>147403521
It is when the drawing is porn without the subject's consent. It's literally rape.
>>147402954
More of this featuring Lolipan,Capyba, Karga or Moonie?
>>147402216
i wanna play in the lgbt league. fp only just got the second level 280 in our guild and now lots of people aren't playing random crappy builds but rerolling useful characters which will be great in gvg league, arena, and et. it's better that they reroll and try different stuff trying to get prepared for real gvg than do all this gimmick hamster stuff on high levels but shit builds with 25 member slots. people mostly didn't decide their character and start dumping millions into attributes and just now are finally getting their thoughts together on who they really want to play as.
in like 3-4 weeks everything should be rolling with stuff like ktos content, et, and even more lgbt league
>>147403649
choo choo?
>>147403167
>>147403804
I wish that was the case, but haw many wars have you seen since neutrality?
Things seem a lot more violent over in Telsiai, but in Klaipeda, there are too many carebears.
Who needs a weapon when you can punch magic?
>>147404061
right after the patch and before your stunt? handful
>>147403675
>you will never rape koenig, rance and lalacow
>>147404061
Clover was in one a day or two ago.
>>147404307
>rance
who ?
>>147403581
Which one of these should be drawn next?
H-how hard Seism and Cleave falls? Is Skyliner and Cartar Stroke real multi-hit really better? It seems that the only thing barbarians have that is worth for a doppel is warcry
>>147404446
fp explained we don't randomly want people to wardec us or wardec them cause our slots are limited. we can't go and fight 8 guilds so whoever is fine. i want to fight valhalla but there's a limited number. i thought that would be the biggest issue originally and it still is. people want to be neutral and that won't be changed, but limiting pvp guilds really killed it.
>>147404570
The one at the back.
>>147404701
*flashing her pantsu
>>147404548
Play the game.
>>147404548
Stop it. That's what he wants.
>>147404610
>controlled pvp
Fucking carebears. PVP should be FFA.
>>147403581
I wish there'd be an updated namedropping screenie of any meetups of late.
>>147404832
sorry you are not relevant
>>147405017
It's what everyone in this general wants, but IMC axed it. If you have a better idea, then by all means, speak up.
What offensive skills should a pelt 3 focus on using in order to keep mob aggro away from everyone else?
>>147405119
>but IMC axed it
They just added a limit, you can still wardec whoever the fuck you want within the limit. There's no need to organize some stupid event under the pretense of OH SHIT WE'RE A CAREBEAR SERVER.
>>147405143
auto attack
>>147403581
>All those traps and insecure faggots playing like beta doll girls
This game is terrible.
>>147405143
Pelt 3 rode 2 here.
Like >>147405320 said, Auto Attack.
You'll need some AoE ratio gear if you wanna go around stunnig and debuffing mobs.
>>147404582
Cleave scales %, considering whatever you're hitting can be stunned, so it's still good later on.
Seism does fall off a lot, though.
Cartar Stroke and Skyliner same logic.
Honestly, I consider Barb 1-sidedly better than Highlander, for all purposes and intents.
>>147405143
Attaque Composee for Leather/Plate mobs, Flaconnade for Cloth.
>>147402954
Stop bullying monks like that with shit tier monsters too or else
>Taoists will be able to stunlock Demon & Mutant type enemies by throwing rice at the ground
Make it happen, IMC.
>>147405642
It's like raising my own cute daughter, buying her cute hats, cute clothes and watch her grow up to be a splendid adventurer always happy together with trusty friends she met along the way.
>>147406819
>watching your daughter getting raped
>>147406819
>ERP as your daughter
Now THAT is something
>>147404105
Go home musclewizard ur drunk
>>147406875
>letting your daughter get raped
>didn't teach her wing chun mastery
>>147403521
>>147404307
>>147404832
>>147404881
pls stop. Talk about someone relevant. highlevel, ERPing or blogging.
>>147404548
>>147405076
You da real MVP.
Are these things being botted or something? I think this is the third one I've seen ever. I remember actually being able to farm them in iCBT2 and the spawns weren't really that bad.
>>147407018
Ain't no muscles here.
oh man so i was just going back to the paladin dude or whatever because apparently im sweet enough for rank 2 in his order
dude just started trying to kill me and it was intense screaming stuff like "grr leave the order now you disgrace have you even done anything besides try and pick up women roar and did i hear you forced a goddess to make out with you rawr" and a bunch of other nonsensical stuff i couldnt understand a word he was saying
it was pretty crazy he might have been possessed by a demon anyways i beat him down and he calmed down and we were all cool think he was crying a bit and he might have peed his pants really not cool
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/T2vqqVv.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
Shepherd fucking when?
I want a cute corgi companion ;_;
But seriously, why in this game filled with horrible monsters, dogs and cats are real? Is there a story behind it?
>>147407272
Blogadin are the worst attention whore build
>>147407315
I want a cuteYoucompanion.
>>147407272
Need to compile all these posts into a light novel or something. It's stupid but I'd read it. Don't ever stop.
Is Hatsumi still playing this game?
>>147408267
No, he went back to the Tera discord.
>>147408267
No but Hiraku is
>>147408420
Not really.
Holy shit nigga what are you doing
>>147408417
Thanks
>>147408420
Who?
>>147408467
>captura
A HUEHUEHUE
>>147408467
It's a very angry combo.
>>147408467
Sound like my kTOS Rodelero, except we all nkow that it does not work.
I laughed at the part about 2h swords though. It's madness.
>>147406125
Yeah, cleave seems nice. Cartar hits 4x, still useful vs plate with double quickcharge from lv 1, but skyliner has the 200% shit on bleeding and 3 overheats, while cleave has only 2...
>>147406125
Fun fact: While fighting bosses, in-between their attacks, sometimes during their casting animation, they're technically "stunned". You can see it on their debuff tab. Cleave deals extra damage here.
>>147408818
Cleave is getting a 3rd charge from the barb buffs, and a whole +50% to all Slash damage.
Check the kTOS changes.
>>147408892
Can you make a webm of that? I have no idea what you're talking about.
>50 dungeon auto-party
>one pelt in party
>goes in front, smashes C BUT he doesn't use swash buckling
>krivis has no daino
>pyro just walks with us and AFKs, barely cast any spells
>not even 5 minutes and pardoner buffs are gone
quoting my experiences
even in mmos I have horrible luck in solo queuing
Anyone kind enough willing to tell me if the skills distributed at Resurrection, Revive, Mass Heal and Stone Skin are fine or need to be fixed?
http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/?reference=eehwj181vu
>>147409152
>only says what others do wrong but doesn't mention self
I bet you were just as shit or worse
>>147409017
The next time you fight a boss, say, level 200's Manticen, pay attention to its debuff bar. Occasionally before, during or after casting a skill attack, it debuffs itself and the "stunned" icon will appear.
>>147409159
just put whatever you want
in the end you can just reset skill anyway
>>147409283
Anon thats just your pet getting in the way of you seeing its debuffs and seeing your 0 health pet getting stunned.
Try doing this without a pet, I bet you it won't work
>>147408892
i think thats from cleric 2% stun, no?
Futureproof has 1 available slot due an inactive member. We accept anyone so long as you're an active poster and/or lurker.
Beware we're a PvP guild, and we're often at war with several other guilds. If you'd like to get into some of the action, whisper Lolipan.
>>147409379
While it's probably his pet, some story bosses at least do become stunned after using big attacks.
>koenig drunk off his ass in the mass whisper
I like this.
>>147409473
>Beware we're a PvP guild
more like a cuck guild
>>147409797
>his
>>147409896
BTFO
>>147409797
Post logs.
I'm not in the mass whisper. Probably won't ever be.
did you get what you wanted tosg?i didn't, and i accidentally cleared the my for tenet garden, i think this flag is me right now
>>147409017
Yeah, ktos buffs are really a thing, I've seen a pos-patch pouncing and frankly, it was as good as cyclone, also, lower cd on warcry will make it a reliable tool.
>>147410296
>>147407252
IMC made the spawn rate godfucking awful for large-sized mobs.
They decided to add a second clock to spawns for no reason, and then make absolutely no changes to the mob layouts to accomidate this.
>>147410719
Sleep tight, cutie.
>>147410719
>/tosg/ bullied someone into drunk depression
A drunken Koenig
>>147410980
>tfw someone will never drawn monster rape porn featuring me
It's my fetish too
What's the max buff limit for each class?
>>147411059
I didn't know they let Hanamings drink...
>>147411154
6+1 for token +1 for swordie +1 for class rank 3 I think it was
I hear Fencer C2 is pretty useless. Should I just take Sword > pel > Highlander2 / Barb2 > Cor2 > Fencer c1 or just go c3 on highlander/barb and take fencer c2?
>>147411154
6 for normal
I think you can get 9 on cleric I don't remember, I had a shitton of buffs as a cleric without even daino
>>147410102
What did she mean by this?
>>147411154
swordsman is 8
archer is 6
>>147411332
She wants to become a porcupine.
>>147411270
The only ones who think fencer c2 are useless are the ones who don't know how to use prep and composee not to mention the +50% evasion as well.
>>147411154
Normal limit is 5 for Archer and Wizard, 7 for Swordie and Cleric.
+1 from token.
+1 from rank 5 attribute.
>>147411154
5
+1 with class bonus
+1 with swordie/cleric bonus
+1 with token bonus
= 8 max with no daino
>>147411405
So I should take it if I'm willing to git gud?
Also, not really sure on highlander or barb if you could give me some advice on that.
On one hand, Highlander has skyliner + crosscut combo which is really strong late game (?). And the weapon switch is a meme.
On the other hand, Seism and helm chopper for Barb though I understand that Barb don't scale very well since a lot of their stuns don't work late game.
Alright, next question. Consdiering a Wizard or Archer with token + attribute(7 buffs), is there ever a reason why you'd want +15 Daino?
Even on a 15x15 GvG, I don't think that there are 22 useful buffs in the game.
>>147411795
futureproof
>>147411154
>>147411207
Is the correct one
>>147411267
>>147411328
>>147411398
>>147411752
These guys don't play
>>147411795
I don't see Krivis 3 as an optimal class choice for cleric GvG
>Someone got drunk
>Most exciting thing to happen on ToS all week
>>147411868
I mean >>147411752 is the correct one whatever
>>147411958
Class Bonus he means is the rank5 attribute everyone gets, right?
Os for a token'd person, it's 8 for Cleric/Swordie and 7 for Wiz/Archer?
>>147411958
Fuck I think I'm drunk too.
>>147411476
>>147411476
>>147411476
>>147411476
>>147411795
i might actually start buying those scrolls and using them in situations i really want to win. i need every single buff i can get possible on my necromancer. i don't want something like haste falling off and i'd also like sorc1 cat buffs even for +aoe ratio. any buffs i can get i want on my necromancer so the higher level the better for me
>>147411773
Theres nothing to git gud about, you literally just tap prep for the 2x pierce damage on your sept follow up. Composee is also brainded spam skill filler for when your other shit is on cd.
Highlander is all about the weapon swap meme with crossguard, enjoy soloing as you'll never be able to do it well in a team situation due to weapons swap lag. Also dependent on your ping and other shit.
Barb is getting buffed in ktos soon but who knows when thats coming, its also extremely easy leveling in the early game if that matters to you.
>>147411795
Krivis is badly thought out. I think IMC hates them or something.
>>147412094
Sorc cat buffs are second row, bro.
>>147411795
As a wizard, my self buffs keep increasing. Not to mention people who like to "share" their buffs mindlessly like that linker who always feel the need to spiritual chain or that retarded archer who has swift step share on a party with 4 wizards or that cleric who casts all his shit just because they're off cooldown to justify his "usefulness".
>>147412306
Clerics without Daino are the worst. And Thaums.
>>147412306
t. reflect shield using wizard
>>147411908
Melstis + Ausrine + Retreat shot is crazy.
>>147412471
Nerfed. Can't let Krivis3 be useful.
>>147410601
That's hilarious.
>>147412169
This, it should be a more smiting enemy shits class.Daimos should be on Priest (Or on Cleric itself) and Sacrament should be on Krivis.
>>147412447
Quit assuming, I know how not to share that since it's nerfed to uselessness.
>Quick Cast
>Surespell
>Invocation
For some reason even telekinesis is a self buff, it should just be jump cancel-able.
>>147412531
not in itos its not
>>147412608
it wasn't nerfed it was bugged
>>147412628
Not yet.
>>147412645
Really? I want my knockback/down protection back.
>>147412645
no it was fucking nerfed because the interaction was too op and let people pass 20th floor et, something that should've took r8 classes and few dozen more levels
Long time RO player about to play this shitfest. All I want to, is to be acutecreator again
>>147412531
To be fair, Melstis is basically the last holdover from when this game was supposed to be good. Remember when you dreamed of crazy awesome interactions? Those are all gone. Somehow, Melstis slipped through.
>>147412715
Alchemists are super cute, but they're pretty damn useless.
Is magnetic force just a one-point wonder right now?
Are you part of the "my character has fanart" club?
>>147412715
This game is fine for erp/cute shitposting, what its not fine is for class balance and actual content
>>147412238
what does that mean? i heard people complain about cat buffs knocking off stuff and want it. i also saw my haste get knocked off. i don't play a cleric to know the buff system. i just know more is better for me. just casting my spells gives me buffs like the other person said with telekinesis
>>147412970
Buffs on the second row have no limit, buffs on the first row are limited.
>>147412860
yup. both my chaplain and my monk has fanart from a nice person in discord!
>>147412860
About to be, unfortunately.
>>147412804
Theyre all cute as fuck mang
>>147412893
Itsthe current yearI'm used to that
I've always liked the nicknames given to notable players in MMOs, something like "The Terror of Death" Haseo, "Absolute Blade" Yuuki, "The Red Comet" Char Aznable, "The Undefeated of the East" Master Asia.
What titles should be bestowed on notable /tosg/ players?
>>147413116
"BIG FAT TATS" Kabbalist
>>147413116
LP KEK
>>147413005
I've heard people complaining that they don't get their buff effect with Jolly Roger bug though. Not sure if there's really a limit too or it's just simply bugged.
>>147413116
The namedrop bait tonight is off the hook.
>>147413005
really? good. i wasn't casting it before cause i thought it knocked off buffs. i don't know then. i just want more buffs. that's all i knew from the get go.
Show me the CUTE!!
>>147413237
>>147413116
The Useless Big Tittied Monk
The ERP Leaker
The Weet
The Ass Slapper
The La La Cow
The Wehrmacht Cuck
>>147412860yes. mine is very rarely posted though.
>>147413176
Jolly Roger's bug is a client-side visual thing. If you're in a party, ask your guildmates, they'll tell you that they see buffs next to your name, on the side.
>>147413225
Just pay attention to which row the buffs go on.
>>147413176
It's only bugged. Even if the icon doesn't show you still get the buffs.
t. running meme shooter
>>147413307
>not having the best title everHas left.
>>147413503
Need ahegao face edit
>>147412812
Pls respond
Roxona plate set recipes are common, I presume? Because I just got two of them in first few minutes of entering Reconstruction Agency.
>>147413307
Where's TheWind God?
>>147413592
Yes, they're worth 4-10k each here in varena and we're the overpriced server
>>147413116
i want a cool title like the undefeated of the east mater. how many meme do i turn out for my class to get something like that?
i'm at 3 or 4 pretty big memes right now.
>>147413116
The Cuck
>>147413653
You could ride the theme park waterslides 600 times to get the title "Tired Rider" literally in-game.
All /tosg/ member's fanart dump. All that I've saced since iCBT2 start. The MSPaint ones not included.
Let me know if any are missing.
http://imgur.com/a/rwCTU
>>147413741
i'm gonna get an even better and rarer title soon
>>147413746
Good lord, thanks for this. I need this for my research.
>>147413237
>>147413746
Are any drawfags even alive these days?
>>147414254
>>147413237
>>147414254
So that's where monster girls come fromI hope he makes more
What gems do full dex builds put in their weapons? yellow for crit attack? Or do you still stack green gems for crit rate to hit 100%?
>>147413621
More likeWind Fail
While I am at it, I dumped this as well.
http://imgur.com/a/HOUcw
Every single TaltOC posted on /tosg/ over the last 6 months. Most of it is about Lolipan.
What ears are the best ears?
>>147414752
It's better to have more crit attack at 80% crit chance than 100% crit chance with low crit attack.
What I'm saying is that unless you have a skill that can guarantee a one-shot kill like snipe. You don't really want to waste gem slots to hit 100% crit chance.
>>147413592
all of the recipes are common, its the world boss materials that are expensive-ish
>>147414254
What monster is that supposed to be?
>>147414997
Cow
>>147415126
Looks like a Lepusbunny. Probably one of the magic kind since I think I see it holding a staff.
>>147415225
ITS A BOW
>>147415225
>>147415126
some sort of Spion Archer I guess
>>147415336
Ah yes.
>well the Ragnarok Online private servers were kind of dumb
>oh look at that, Tree of Savior is open ag--
>83GB
E I G H T Y - T H R E E
G I G A B Y T E S
I don't know if I can take this, guys. Is it good?
>>147415640
>8325 MB
>83 GB
Are you fucking stupid
>>147415640
Are u ok?
>>147415640
>>147415640
Nigga you dumb
>>147415640
>gigabytes
Is everyone drunk or something?
>>147415640
You have 37 terabytes free, so I don't see the problem.
>>147415640
Quick! Say that everyone got baited and you're just pretending to be retarded! 30 seconds to go!
>>147415640
>83gb
>>147415640
>>147415640
include me in the screencap
sgdq 2016 has been extremely shit and boring, so i'm back 6 days early.
what's the happy haps? any news since i've been gone?
>>147415640
>>147415804
can you just leave and never come back?
>>147413237
>Show me the CUTE!!
>>147415840
only if you kill yourself, retard. :^)
>>147415640
[Insert reply here]
Does anyone still have the video of Katz tanking Blue Spion Archer with 1 damage?
>>147415640
Roll a monk
>>147415640
>>147415640
Time to play a monk.
>>147415640
Ideal Bowfag material.
>>147415886
It was in this thread:
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/146473023
There's a couple of webm's there.
WHERE IS THE MOONEY
>max terralion is coming within the next month
>shitters still purchasing max petamions
top kek
>>147415640
Play Spiral Knights instead
Or Runescape
Both are tried and true good games
>>147416438
Max Terralion will be like the only necklace actually even worth the hype
And that's only if the fucking level cap increase doesn't bring better necklaces with it
>>147416442
Not him, but spiral knights was fun but they fucked up that game when they couldn't decide what they wanted to do with the crystal system.
Life sure is bittersweet
>>147416694
CHEER UP EMO KID XD
>>147416438
>max petamion
>bad
>+14 to all stats
>level 170
>can team storage it to all of your characters
Max Terralion will be untradable and a bitch to craft. Max Petamion won't be as good but it will be just fine.
>>147416438
>>147416495
what did you meme by this? what am i suppose to prepare for. searching for this item doesn't show anything
>>147416907
And its really cheap too compared to the effort for terallion.
I have high latency.
Is it possible to solo the lvl 50 Tenet dungeon when I'm only in the lvl 60's?
>>147416438
Nah I'll take Lolipanthermion instead thank you
>dat +20
>dat AoE ratio
>dat Lv1 requirement
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=511
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA nothing interesting, lets wait for next week
>>147416974
>the effort to Terralion
I've never gotten this meme. Terralion is way fucking easier to craft than Max Petamion.
>>147417131
>zombie capsules
>ZOMBIE CAPSULES
>MOTHERFUCKING ZOMBIE CAPSULES
YES
YES
MY BODY IS READY they need like half the CD though
>>147417131
It's nothing, but we're already expecting that.
>>147417131
Getting zombie capsules is nice for bokors.
>>147417131
Something something no korean patch
I need that hair tho
>>147416835
I'll be ok, just need to cry for a while.
I've never beenanalyzedlike that before.
>>147417091
dat 26 day duration
>>147417242
great fuccboi hair
>>147417131
One of the smallest patch we ever had
>>147417151
>he doesn't know about saalus suffering
>>147417131
>300 silver to summon one zombie every 27 seconds
>>147417151
You can sell max peta though, and regain back what you spent on it.
>>147417151
Its much more easier to gain 10m than wasting time in saalus for an untradable sht.
All them typos in the patch """""notes""""
>>147417151
>terralion an rng item thats untradeable is easier than something you can just buy with shekels after a few hours grinding
>>147417356
>bitching about being given an additional way to summon zombies
it's a luxury item. it gives you options. you can always create zombies the normal way with your glyph and not have to pay diddly-squat. what is the point of complaining about a new way to summon zombies.
stop trying to find reasons to bitch endlessly. besides, I bet you don't even play bokor anyway.
>>147417151
t. someone whos never suffered from saalus
unless you have a static group of friends, saalus is so much unwanted suffering
Its why qs3 running meme is bad lategame since relying on getting a didel is just retarded
>>147417131
>it's fucking nothing again
>>147417131
it's literally nothing
they must be preparing for the big one
>>147417484
I'm not bitching about it, I'm laughing at bokors.
>>147417576
Y-yeah they're totally preparing for the big update. E-end of July guys!
>>147417576
i hope so too
Would you be willing to drop iTOS and move to kTOS, if they do not come through with the updates?
>>147417242
i wish they'd fix storage not working on base camp. if they got time to fix icons or descriptions disappearing fix it so i can actually store items again
>>147417626
No, late July you misinfo agent.
It's coming in two weeks! Fourteen days!
>>147417901
No. Not rerolling and putting all this effort in again on kToS.
It's a shit game anyways, and kToS isn't fixing that, they're just giving you more shit game.
>>147417901
>Playing with gooks
Fuck no.
>>147418115
S-sure!
Is there any add-on that right-click block bots?Can't find any in the addon manager.
>>147417901
are you serious?
>>147418414
LKchat
>>147417901
Yes if /tosg/ come with me too.
I already have a high level character with BiS equips there.Also get better ping compared to Klaipedo.
Where you redeem the TP bundles?
>>147417901
There are koreans coming over from ktos to itos cause ktos is dying and IMC seems to have just realised that, that's why they're merging the patch process, meaning both servers will be getting the same updates.
Ktos is over, IMC only has itos to rely on now. Why do you think they're actually trying to salvage itos ONLY now?
