Will we ever be able to detect the Synths among out settlers?
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Pre-War Thread: >>146918480
>NV
>serious business
1st for best armor
>>147002534
Take the perk that lets you check resistances in VATS
Synths have innate energy resist
Bethesda needs to learn how to gun
Nuka world better add an actual fucking assault rifle!
>>147002823
>>147000073
>>147000516
You both mentioned stealth...Is it really that mandatory?
I was going for a max intelligence build to start with, for those early levels. Is this still good in survival?
>>147002876
Anything is playable
>>147002873
And your a faggot commie
>>147002823
why don't you just use the combat rifle?
it looks just as boring as this lmao
>>147002703
See I really like this armor, but why don't I like or want to accept fallout 4's X-01 power armor?
What in the way it looks, makes it so different to that picture?
What I want: Trauma Harness Power Armor,with the person still trapped inside of it
>tfw finished the main quest and finally got all the Minutemen quests out of my Pip-Boy
I've only got TWO active quests, I don't think that's happened since the very start of the game.
>>147003170
the helmet is not 100% to the original design
its more symmetrical in 4
>>147003170
>>147002876
Max intelligence is always a good choice especially on survival. By default survival mode multiplies the respawn timers by 4~5, so experience is a good bit harder to get. Making the most of what you _do_ get with high INT will help.
>stealth...Is it really that mandatory?
Different anon here, but I would say no. Stealth only lasts as long as you are undetected (which is brief) and so once real combat starts those are just wasted perk points. Add to that mines can be found by hitting the VATS button, and I would say that there are much better things to spend perk points on.
>first for playing detective with my whore wife to try to find our missing son
Should I side with the Institute or Brotherhood
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/images/39056/?
>>147003471
Minutemen
>>147003068
Because i want an actual fucking assault rifle not a carbine or DMR
>>147003471
Brotherhood 4 lyfe
>>147003605
Its getting old at this point
>>147003524
i would actually use this
is it available yet
>>147003658
Whats getting old?
A lack of an actual assault rifle? Yeah yeah it is
>>147003524
Not as good looking millennium falcons but not bad
>>147003605
What exactly is your problem with the Combat Rifle in full auto? The model has no bearing on its functionality in game. If it's the ammo type (.45 Auto is ridiculous for anything larger than a SMG, sure) then I don't really know what to tell you. 5.56mm is nowhere near as common now as it was in Fo3/FNV, so putting something general-purpose and automatic in that isn't really viable.
>>147002373
Enclave won't even show up, outside of 'one guy or perhaps a small squad ended up in this boat-shaped hell at some point, along with many other people'
People just have a way of ending up on this ship and then never being able to leave and they eventually go insane for reasons that will become abundantly clear when you play it
>>147002037
>>147002183
I tried combining it with the Northern Star mesh, didn't look very good. Also I'd have to snip off all the other crap from the FMS Northern Star ship model and fix up the holes anyways
This mesh I'm doing is just that back half mesh combined with the front half of the Northern Star mesh and then with patched up holes.
>>147002183
Is this the ship you were talking about Trainfag?
>>147003778
You having a period about it on a Cantonese tapestry forum are not going to make bethesda put any new weapons in the game.
If you feel so strongly, get off your ass and make some weapons. Or download one of the numerous AR mods.
>>147004208
ANIMATIONS!!!!!!!!
>>147003471
Brotherhood every time
Also
>New Vegas is serious business hurr its too serious meme
Fuck off, anybody who's been on /fog/ for longer than since 4 came out will know NV is the best modern fallout including 4.
>>147004105
Why are you using 3ds Max 2012? [and how did you get such an old version?[/spoiler] The (official) Bethesda exporting tools only work with the 2013 version afaik. Too bad that when I asked Autodesk about extending my student license to cover that, since it covers 2014-2017 already, they told me to eat shit.
>the average power armor user
/k/fags please leave
>>147004409
>countdown to """"""""fallout NV discussion""""""" arising purely out of interest in NV and not definitely not shitposting
>>147003314
Yeah it is, but also isn't.
The eyes in the original design are more straight instead of being rabbit, or bird like. In fallout 2 they eyes of the helmet pointed at you, now they seem to just point off sideways.
Also the helmet has two riveting line or whatever and they aren't even straight, like the guy putting the helmets together just passed out while welding or whatever. The helmet has a part that is higher then the rest which is really odd.
The neck and chest area seems way way too big and bulky rather then the slim greek/roman armor look where the chest piece follows the muscles of the human body, instead it just sticks out about a foot and has square pex.
Another thing is the hump/collar isn't one piece, and I don't really like it.
>>147004508
>hotrod-shit
fucking please
>>147004714
can't see shit you nigger
Outside of power armor, what the fuck am I supposed to wear for protection? Even in leather armor everything tears through me like wet paper.
>>147003314
>Anon doesn't like symmetry
Bethesda was otherwise very faithful to the design of the APA in Fallout 4. I don't really know what the problem is tbqh.
>>147004873
Leather is shit.
Wear combat and upgrade it, mix it with a Ballistic Weave undersuit.
Or wear something unique with a nice amount of DR, for example the silver shroud costume.
>>147003471
Institute. The BoS are a bunch of technophiliac faggots.
How much into roleplaying do you get /fog/? How much canon do you have for your vault dweller/chosen one/lone wnaderer/courier/sole survivor?
>>147002534
Someone needs to make this playlist into a radio for Fallout.
https://open.spotify.com/user/alexdrone/playlist/3c9FgkN6tE6BGqgGlBdyky
>>147004873
armor bikini
>>147004508
the one that the fags on NMA did for tactics was far miles better and more friendly with the power armor frames
here's the model if someone wants to give a try
>https://www.sendspace.com/file/qyftue
>>147003268
like this?
Enclave ACPA already has gyros to keep the user standing up in case he falls.
>>147005006
I roleplay I'm someone wandering around Boston, collecting junk to build a settlement with
>>147004907
I was saying the model in 4 was more symmetrical aside from what >>147004673 was saying about the rivets
>>147005157
>we will never get x01/apa helmets that open like this in game
>>147004959
>Muh Ballistic Weave
nice crutch you nigger, I bet you use the cheat mod too
>>147004673
forgot this.
It looks like it is cross eyed, and has Frankenstein stitching, and the chest piece is just too bulky, not slim and muscular looking enough.
>>147005006
I just play like, after finishing all the story missions, after facing so much in the commonwealth that they lost their mind and devolved into an overly powerful crazy raider.
Kinda like how the Courier went crazy in the DUST mod.
Just in time for Nuka World.
>>147005353
Be quiet, autist.
>>147005317
we have assaultron helmets that do this so it should be possible right
>>147005071
It's a cool model, and I hope we get Tactics PA as an Fo4 mod, but that model in particular is useless. It's meant to be turned into a isometric sprite, and the proportions are unrealistic to accommodate for the angle.
>>147004421
Cause I'm too lazy to get a newer version and it's set up just the way I like it. I could go and grab a newer version but ehhhhhh
Doesn't niftools work just fine anyways, not like this is a complex model or anything
>>147005157
>>147005387
See the lines on the helmet just trigger my ADHD or autism or some shit.
I can't see it opening up or having any use like the other pic related. Unless the helmet opens as such, what is the point?
I like the original 2D Fallout games, but I think Fallout 3 is one of the worst games ever made. Should I play New Vegas?
>>147005464
but it can't open up because the helmet doesn't split down the middle any more. >>147005387
>>147005387
Who cares? The design is like 95% the same as from Fo2/FNV, what does it really matter if the eyes are at 45 degrees instead of 35 degrees? There is much worse shit than that in the game to get upset over.
I love FNV, but the (2nd gen I guess?) version of PA is honestly terrible compared to how it looks now - it is no bigger than a set of combat armor. Bethesda evolved the design rather than starting from scratch (like with APA Mk.2 in Fo3) so I'm totally happy with it.
>inb4 bethesdrone
I totally prefer Obsidian & co.'s writing, devs and games, but this is a case where Bethesda got it right.
>>147005667
New vegas is honestly my favorite game of the series.
>>147005006
I'm always a Mercenary [cause n8 a former military man with weapon experience and has nobody to knock dead at the veteran's hall tonight, hun]. As long as the quest is neutral I will take it, otherwise I do BoS recon quest.
>>147005667
NV is just 3 with better mechanics and more expositionI thoroughly enjoyed both
>>147005667
Yeah absolutely. Obsidian's made up of former Black Isle employees and it has that good detailed plot and comfortable/sensible world of the first two games.
For anyone wondering which Fallout games to play, see this handy chart.
>>147005928
skip 3 strtaight to New Vegas
spent the last half-hour near Natick Banks ridding the area of about 6 death claws and a Behemoth with the BoS. Anyone else experience this? Im actually kind of exhausted from it lol
>>147005928
>Fallout 2
you did not play fallout 2
dude 90's culture reference! sick!
>>147004121
Nope, there's another mesh, CruiseShipDeck01, it's only got half of itself intact
Any reason why the DC guard helmets are bugged?
>>147006113
Any reason why I shouldn't berry my dick inside Piper's rebel rousing slandering ass?
>>147004121
That's pretty sexy. Where is that?
>>147006106
Is that actually you this time Train?Why don't you have a proper trip?
>>147006093
They were alright.
>>147006268
>rebel rousing
>>147006268
AIDS
>>147006294
Because people can never impersonate me right, duh.
But yeah, this is the mesh in question. I've no idea what it was there for. Maybe the cut Vault 120 underwater quest.
>>147005928
>Brotherhood of Steel spin-off.
It was shit.
>>147006268
lmao the only thing she's roused is McDonut's loins
>>147005928
>implying Fallout Tactics wasn't dope
that combat system gives me shivers, man. I actually think this game was really a nice combination of Fallout! elements and Sick! elements. For all it's goofiness, I thought it was great.
>>147006268
none at all
>>147006442
Or just underwater content in general. Shit like >>147004121 suggests they had shit to do underwater before scrapping it.
>>147005776
Yeah it's really good, and it looks better then the one in fallout 3 by a long shot, and a bit better then fallout NV. but both 4 and NV had this thing where the chest was sort of just a flat box, In my opinion I'd like it if the eyes didn't looks so angled away from each other just so slightly, and the chest had a more round almost bulky muscle like appearance. Maybe because it's a closer step towards the link between human and tank that doesn't involve mutating viruses.
>>147006294
>That's pretty sexy. Where is that?
Itss off the map, you have to disable the borders to reach it.
On the very eastern part of the map, not too far south of fort strong
use noclip to reach the map border, then type tws in the console to disable all the water, you will see it
>settlement happiness been stuck at 87 for 30 mins
green arrow is there, what am I doing wrong lads
>>147006719
needs more doges
>>147006615
> Shit like >>147004121 (You) suggests they had shit to do underwater before scrapping it.
Not really, Bethesda is nototerious for being austitic when it comes to shit like this.
did you know Skyrim has a low res LOD version of White Gold tower that can sometimes be seen from Skyrims southern border on a clear day?
>>147006719
Have to mod the game to have 99 bars and 99 gorrilaz.
>>147006268
your wife wants to have a word with you.
>>147006782
I have about 6 cats
>>147006850
gr8 husbando
Is anyone else wondering if Obsidian is going to fuck around with contraptions and settlement building mechanics in whatever real Fallout game they'll eventually make next?
>>147006719
post screenie, I might be able to assess the situation better.
>>147006618
all power armor is garbage looking in fo3 and nv now
>>147006919
implying there will be one
they didn't release a complete game at their deadline, and had to shove out a game that had 0 performance or stability work on it
i'd be really surprised if Zenimax forgot about that shitshow
>>147006808
Yeah I do, but that's just skybox stuff, you're never supposed to get there, but that ship looks like it has stuff going on there like you're meant to walk around in it.
>>147007027
your not, if you go past the borders you reach it you will find it entirely hollow and the player just moves right through it noclip or not.
>>147006913
she will rip your ass in halfwith her fist
>>147006850
nice realistic transgirl
>>147006808
Pretty much. Everyone likes working on the game, even spending off-time doing things like that
>>147006983
APA is from fallout 2 and in fallout 4
>>147006618
Top heaviness and the helmet is what I like most about that compared to 4's.
>>147006974
I'm onPS4__
doesn't the green arrow mean it's going up? I've tried waiting 24 hours etc but nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzUoe-9bKa0
Aye gents, we need to get this hate out of our system. Post everything that you hate about F04
>No new creatures in the base game aside from the Bloodbugs, Stingwings, and Radstags, two of which are just Bethesda's (whatever) answer to the Cazador and the Radstag, which is just a deer, but with two heads.
>same stupid junk super mutants, again, because they just gotta
>lame t-45d 2.0 armor that supersedes the original t-51b, for no reason
>armor/weapon upgrading where there's the generic part and like thirty in-betweens, all of which are just better than the last. Why the fuck should i waste resources on "reinforced" combat armor if I'm just going to upgrade it to polymer
>settlers that never talk to each other
>todd howard's annoying, "yeah i was in chess club" attitude in every conference
>>147007102
thanks cuh
>>147007001
>they didn't release a complete game at their deadline, and had to shove out a game that had 0 performance or stability work on it
Just like all Beth games!
>>147007240
Ps4 takes screenshots, you mungo
>>147007240
I'm aware that PS4 has a screenshot option. You better figure it out unless Authesda disabled it.
>>147007246
>LASER BAZOOKA!!!
What the fuck? is he a six year old?
>>147007263
>Post everything that you hate about F04
wow that's a really interesting topic
no one complains about things on the internet, this should be really interesting
>>147007404
>>147007343
not connecting my social media accounts to the jewstation 4 and don't have a spare memory stick on me
>>147007076
Yeah, I went there once, even the Imperial City Isle (and generally, everything past the start of the lake surrounding it) has no collision, it does appear to be to scale with what it was in Oblivion though.
>>147007246
WHERE IS THE SOUND EFFECTS, RECOIL, AND WHY DOESN'T THE LASER PUSH ANYTHING IT HITS?
never mind it went to 90
is there any way to speed this fella up though
Anybody having issued with CK windows being blank? Already validated steam and CK files, going for a re-install of CK at the moment.
>>147007302
>Just like all Beth games!
You kidding? Fallout 4 actually fucking ran. FO3 ran a lot better than NV also. Only crashed once in a non-modded playthrough of 4 with 200 hours in. You couldn't even fucking play FONV at launch. I had to wait months to get out of the starting city on my 360
its issues are in optimization this time around. at least its improving
>>147007567
Out of curiosity, what would happen if you tried to throw Skyblivion's map into that space, so that both Cyrodiil and Skyrim are in one map? Would it destroy the engine?
>>147007646
>FO3 ran a lot better than NV also
That's a funny joke
4 had plenty of hardware specific problems at launch too
>360
oh, nobody cares
WHY
THE
FUCK
IS
F5
LOAD
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>147007484
>using your real social media accounts
>not having a flash drive
>>147007726
I doubt it.
They wouldn't do that anyways though since if you went to Skyrim 200 years in the future from Cyrodiil it would be pretty jarring
>>147007738
>4 had plenty of hardware specific problems at launch too
yes, the optmization issues i just mentioned. I was running this on an AMD card (game was only performing well on NVIDIA card without changed settings)
i turned off tesselation and holy shit problem solved. that's an optimization issues, Radeon doesn't do tesselation for shit.
>oh, nobody cares
lol ok dude just stop posting. i think you're just upset i'm ruining your fantasy land version of NV
>>147005006
Quite a bit.
cait is the worst
So I'm over at Trinity Tower for the first time, and somebody's just going fucking nuts with the ordinance somewhere in the distance.
Is it a scripted battle that I out go see, or just some random BoS/x spat?
>>147008223
random NPC battles, some of them can get pretty crazy
>>147006919
They have neither the devs nor the good graces with Bethesda.
>>147003471
If it's your first time and a playthrough you'll want to keep coming back to, Institute.
Everyone needs an institute playthrough.
>>147008298
>Walking through south Boston
>Get stopped by some guy who tries to get me to buy into some scam
>Gunfire in the distance as I'm talking to him
>In mid-conversation a crashing vertibird drops on top of us and nearly kills me
>>147008105
>>147008437
its a shame that the weak ass vertbirids only exist because of a bizarre scripting error.
99% of Vertibirds that spawn are the level 20 versions, however, there are level 30, 40, and 50 versions in the game files, and they will spawn VERY VERY RARELY.
For some reason the spawn lists are setting the vertibirds to spawn the level 50 versions once you get high enough except as super rare occurances.
Arthmoor has said he looked at the leveld lists and shit, and can't figure out why this is happening as they all appear to be set up like any other leveled list, and thus should spawn the level 50 versions far more often
>>147005625
>>147005387
You fuckers need to die, solely because you're so fixated on function rather than manufacture.
>>147007935
bruma is a shitstain
cheydinhall is fucked up
kvatch is probably a ruin yet, full of daedric remnants
/tesg/ is over there, but they will probably ignore this because there's no WAIFUS
>>147002534
These op images are getting old
>>147008476
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0FtZIiCOzg
>>147004662
The only ''''''''''''discussion''''''''''''' i'm seeing here is tripfag orbiting and waifufagging degeneracy
>>147008437
Yep, that location is turbo fucked.
It's basically 50% chance a five way battlefield, and I think it got worse post-automatron.
>>147008873
>why not both
the prophecy was fulfilled
waifus saved fog
>>147008990
>saved
I don't think you know what that means anon
>>147008037
Holy shit, thatsbhonest to god my reasoning for siding against the Institute in my first playthrough.
If I put a mod from Unique Uniques on a legendary weapon will I get both effects?
>>147008986
its pretty awesome
2 or 3 times after cleaning up around that square I've ran into a whole new squad of rust devils at the red rocket nearby
>>147009116
>The new mods in this mod DO NOT TAKE UP LEGENDARY SLOTS. Once again, they operate akin to Kremvh's Tooth.
True Storms update will be release in the next hours
tfw all the people tho think the guns as they are are fine are laserfags
>>147009105
What, being pissed at the Institute? That's pretty fucking basic as reasons go, Anon
>>147009256
>>147009335
If you're the Dev, thank you for this mod. Godrays look fucking awesome during the rad storms.
>>147009256
Wow lol I don't even know how many times Train has answered this already. Christ all you have to do is take a peek with xedit to confirm that they do not take legendary slots.And to think I got flak for asking about filing a couple of bug reports..
So when's PS4 getting mod support? And how will it work?
>>147009624Never, and it won't work.
>>147009624
>playing on PS4
>>147009624
is ps4 not even in a mod beta yet?
>>147009379
That was enough for me. I like that "they killed my spouse" was even a reason you could cite when Maxson asks.
>tfw having put in one (maybe) cut quest could have deflated a huge amount of angst the SS can hold against the Institute
>>147009589
Or read the description that was quoted.
Can you really expect anyone to look up something with xedit when they wouldn't read the description?
Its mentioned twice in eight paragraphs.
>>147009809
Nope. Not unless there's some way to opt into it that I'm not aware of.
If I didn't better I'd still assume this whole mods-on-consoles thing was a hoax. There's no talk of it at all.
>>147009809
AFAIK no, and it isn't like it will be any good when it comes out anyway. 900MB limit, no sounds and no texture optimization. Yeah lol thanks but I'll just stick with my PC and the NexusEspecially now that I've started publishing
>>147009624
its in beta
>900mb limit
>uncompressed file textures
>no sound
JUST
>>147008037
I feel the need to point out that Cornflakes was probably the last person alive who had a direct hand in Shaun's kidnapping and the death of the SS' spouse.
Synths are like any other machine. They're either a benefit or a hazard.
>>147010097
Different anon, but I didn't even care. Blind fucking rage was enough.
>>147010075
Sophistry vs Empathy
>>147009847
Shaun is my main reason for hating the Institute. It's played up like he's the reason you should give the Institute a chance, but the way I play Nate, he views Shaun as the "final insult." He was robbed of the chance to raise Shaun into a decent person, and instead he was turned into a person who champions the same goals and methods that caused Nora's death.
>>147010097
Yeah, but is there a single person in the Institute who would claim that stealing Shaun was a mistake, and shouldn't have been done? My Nate holds all of them responsible.
>>147010097
Right, and after the whole V111 deal they packed up their kidnapping and murder shoes for good, dey dindu nuffin, dey was gettin dey life back on track, fitin da gud fite.
>>147010075
>pseudo-intellectualism bullshit anyone who has watched any movie in the last 20 years knows being presented as if it was some massive revelation about the human condition.
>A personal story about a man/woman trying to find their son being passed off as nothing more then that.
I can tell you which one I prefer.... and its not the first one
>>147010452
>Sophistry
It's subjective if the legion's ideal are correct or not.
>Empathy
More like idiocy
>>147010536
> personal
stopped there, this is supposed to be an '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''RP''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''g, not Bethesda movie studio and co.
what is happening to my CK?
>>147010452
>>147010536
Bethesdrones are clockwork
>>147010536
>I can tell you which one I prefer.... and its not the first one
Same here.
>>147010638
>stopped there, this is supposed to be an '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''RP''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''g, not Bethesda movie studio and co.
>the dumb meme that RPGs are supposed to have 100% blank slate characters.
what about Baldur's gate, the RPG considered one of the best ever, whose entire plot starts off on a personal revenge quest to find the people who killed your adopted father.
Or Fallout 1, or 2, whose entire plots hinge around personal quests to save your vault.village, and your family/friends in them, including your mother, aunt, and cousin in Fallout 2
>>147010638
>It's subjective if the legion's ideal are correct or not.
Maybe, but that was a bad argument.
>stopped there, this is supposed to be an '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''RP''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''g, not Bethesda movie studio and co.
Being a father is part of a ROLE which you are PLAYING
>>147010536
Even Toddler said FO4 had a terrible story and dialogue so I know you're just here to troll.
>>147010903
>what about Baldur's gate
90% of the users on this site are younger than Baldur's Gate, anon.
>>147010959
>being a father
>playing as Nate
>>147010536
>A personal story about a man/woman trying to find their son being passed off as nothing more then that.
I felt more invested in the Platinum chip than Shaun. Even a revenge story about going after Cornflakes was more interesting.
>>147010993
>Even Toddler said FO4 had a terrible story and dialogue
He said nothing of the sort, all he said was the the dialogue didn't work out as well as he wanted it too.
And I never made mention of dialogue at all, so nice goalpost moving there.
>>147010536
It's pretty easy to simplify and glorify things
>The leader of a faction which seems backwards at first explains his motivations and why he does things in an elaborate and verbose way
or
>muh son
>>147010903
> 100% blank slate
That's not my point, I do agree with you on this though
You are a guy with an innocent past but evolve in what YOU want, not what the game wants you to like F4
>>147010959
>Being a father is part of a ROLE which you are PLAYING
>forcing in you into the skin of another person with no other choice is now considered roleplay
Now that's a bad argument
>>147011168
>Even a revenge story about going after Cornflakes was more interesting.
God, I felt so, I dunno, whatever the adjective is for having the wind taken out of your sails, the first time I heard that.
Like what the fuck.
>>147011162
male protagonist is always canon in fallout
>>147011162
> being a cuck
>>147011248
>The leader of a faction which seems backwards at first explains his motivations and why he does things in an elaborate and verbose way
except its not elaborate, its just bullshit made to seem smarter then it is.
>muh son
I find it funny you talk about simplifying things when Fallout 4 is more then just
>MUH SON
And involves a man who has had his entire way of life taken from him trying to put it back together as best he can only to find that he can't rewind time, and come to the realization that hes now forced to have to accept the fact the world he knew is gone forever,, and he has to press forward in this new world.
And it tell this story without having to resort to terribly blunt pseudo-intellectualism bullshit
>>147011248
>forcing in you into the skin of another person with no other choice is now considered roleplay
Uhh yes, it is, see Witcher, which is an RPG where you are forced to play as Geralt
>brotherhood all about preserving technology
>blows up the institute because "well we only coded two endings lol"
>>147011437
Fucking patriarchy.
>>147010097
It would be different if they had changed, or the whole kidnap and kill thing was done only by a small part of the institute.
But those guys have lost touch with what means being human, there is only one scientist in the whole institute who cares a little about the commonwealth, and no one wants to hear him, they have better things to do, like kill people who are doing their best to survive in a harsh world, and replace them with synths, or inject untested drugs in gen3 synths and watch them go mad with pain.
Its almost ironic that Shaun believes Kellog death to be some kind of revenge, its not, Kellog was just a hired gun, the order to let everyone in vault 111 suffocate to death came from the institute, the order to kill Nora came from the institute, Kellog was a high quality mercenary, he would not fuck up and kill Nora by mistake, he did it because he had orders to kill her. From the beginning only the backup was going to "live".
>>147011520
The BoS has always blown up technology they felt was too dangerous.
Thats why they sought to destroy the Master and his FEV all the way back in Fallout 1.
The Institute's tech helped no one but themselves, and was beyond the point of being easily abused.
>>147011437
>Bethesda games
>canon
>>147011517
A man
>>147011248
>It's pretty easy to simplify and glorify things
>The leader of a faction which seems backwards at first explains his motivations and why he does things in an elaborate and verbose way
or
>muh son
Are you trying to be ironic?
>You are a guy with an innocent past but evolve in what YOU want, not what the game wants you to like F4
You realize the story branches after you find your son?
>forcing in you into the skin of another person with no other choice is now considered roleplay
That actually fits the definition of roleplay quite well.
the acting out or performance of a particular role, either consciously (as a technique in psychotherapy or training) or unconsciously, in accordance with the perceived expectations of society with regard to a person's behavior in a particular context.
>>147008421
Why
>>147011520
BoS in FO4 is probably the worst written it's ever been.
>>147011645
Couldn't they have used it as a sick hideout? Or like steal their laser weaponsthat are worse
>>147011437
Even ignoring the previous games, Nate is clearly the intended protagonist.
>Has actual combat experience so him surviving in the wastes is way more believable
>Character gen starts on him instead of asking whether you wanting to be him or Nora
>He gives the opening monologue
>Makes zero sense for Nate to be holding the baby while Nora leads the way to the vault unless Nate is some pussywhipped little omega bitch who likes getting pegged
>>147011814
Even the storyboard is centered on him and not just random PC
>>147011793
The Institute is a terrible base for the BoS because the only means into it are a teleporter that uses a massive amount of power to operate, and relies on a courser chip to work, or a sewer entrance only reachable through a whole lot of shit.
On top of that, Maxson's boS only has about 500 men in it, including scribes who don't fight, and the Institute is a massive facility that would take a good chunk of his men to reasonably secure.
On top of that, the only shit in the Institue is
A. FEV, which the BoS hates
B. Synths, which the BoS hated
C. Artificial crops, which the BoS has never cared about farming tech
D. Laser weapons worse then their own
E. A teleporter that takes a fuck load of power to use, and can't teleport outside the commonwealth really.
F. A nuclear reactor they have no means of moving to use in something else.
There is literally no reason for them to want to keep it, and sound tactical thinking would make them want to blow it up to prevent the enemy from having any chance of taking it back and regrouping.
>>147011814
>>147011587
>pussywhipped little omega bitch who likes getting pegged
literally why I need feminism
>>147011517
>except its not elaborate
If I argue this point it'll turn into a NO U fest, so i'll pass
>And involves a man who has had his entire way of life taken from him trying to put it back together as best he can only to find that he can't rewind time, and come to the realization that hes now forced to have to accept the fact the world he knew is gone forever,, and he has to press forward in this new world.
And it tell this story without having to resort to terribly blunt pseudo-intellectualism bullshit
>Uhh yes, it is, see Witcher, which is an RPG where you are forced to play as Geralt
I didn't play the witcher games so I have no saying in this
You see, being reminded every second of your background and muh son breaks the RP in RPG, even F3 was better in this aspect
The voiced protag, shitty dialogue and the non-existent morality system make it even worse
>>147011675
>You realize the story branches after you find your son?
Why not since the beginning of the game, since you know, it's supposed to be an rpg
>That actually fits the definition of roleplay quite well.
Fake roleplay, and if I want to play something else than an over concerned dad/mom ? What if I want to be fucking evil ?
>>147011716
Still not as bad as the angelic capital wasteland ''''''''''''''''''''''''BOS''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
>>147012159
>You see, being reminded every second of your background and muh son breaks the RP in RPG
I very rarely ran into any mention of MUH SON in Fallout 4.
I got through 40+ hours of the game without ever seeing anything related to it because it never comes up in any of the sidequests.
>>147012159
>angelic
They were still xenophobic if nothing else. They hated ghouls under Lyons, too.
>>147012103
The infinite power might be a neat thing to have, and the institute have the means to modify soldiers to be insanely powerful and almost immortal.
So, guys, how have you deal with it?
I mean, I rarely complain about games, almost all my reviews on Steam are positive, I really like games.
But I can't get over Fallout 4. I mean, I can't deny that it is good, but it was not good enough, not even close.
I really trusted on Bethesda guys, I really did, after Skyrim I thought that great things were coming for FO4, I thought they really had learned something from New Vegas. The settlements thing was awesome.
Even after the first shock and crashes in the first month of release I still thought "This is going to get better, this is going to be an epic adventure about how "united we stand" or something, this is going to be cool, all these settlements are going to do something very cool, I'm sure that If I do enough of this minutemen radiant quest bullshit I'm going to get something awesome.
After the endings, I still thought "The DLCs are going to fix it all, it is going to really exploit everything that the game has to offer this is going to be awesome".
But no, it has not... And the game is not even terrible to bash it and hate it, it is just so mediocre, like something that would have come out of Steam Greenlight.
How do you cope with it guys? How?
>>147012393
>The infinite power might be a neat thing to have,
Except if the BoS wins, that means they have the barillium agitator being used in Liberty Prime, which means the Institutes reactor doesn't have infinite power.
> and the institute have the means to modify soldiers to be insanely powerful and almost immortal.
Through the use of FEV in the case of synths, and through cybernetics they got rid of decades ago in the case of Kellogg, and even with Kellogg, we still saw how a normal man beat him
>>147012485
>I really trusted on Bethesda guys, I really did, after Skyrim I thought that great things were coming for FO4
2/10
Too obvious
>>147012485
just go away.
>>147012347
>I very rarely ran into any mention of MUH SON in Fallout 4.
You see, with the protag voiced the 'have you seen X' feels a lot more forced and in your face
>>147012387
Not anywhere as near as reclusive, selfish and holier than thou as WC or Mojave BOS, Capital BOS feels more like a 'good' Enclave
>>147012485
Because I don't find Fallout 4 to be bad, in fact, I find it better then Fo3 and Nv in every way possible.
>>147012159
>You see, being reminded every second of your background and muh son breaks the RP in RPG, even F3 was better in this aspect
It wasn't actually that often outside of the early portion of the main quest.
>Why not since the beginning of the game, since you know, it's supposed to be an rpg
Why do you want to totally ignore the role your character has since it is an rpg?
I'm not sure you understand what roleplaying is and if you do you are horrible at it.
>Fake roleplay, and if I want to play something else than an over concerned dad/mom ? What if I want to be fucking evil ?
Caring about a kidnapped child is not being overconcerned.
You just don't like the role you are playing.
>Still not as bad as the angelic capital wasteland ''''''''''''''''''''''''BOS''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
You mean the disgruntled organization that was split in half over the changes?
>>147012723
I understand 3, but why NV ?
>>147012636
I found it fun, ok? I liked Skyrim, yes, I did, I loved it.
There, happy?
>>147012658
>Capital BOS feels more like a 'good' Enclave
Well yeah, but at least they explained it. They didn't just have the BoS magically turn good. They had a civil war over Lyons being too nice to the wastelanders.
>>147012876
No, I will never be happy. Especially when you lie like this.
So I've been going through the New Vegas Bounties mod (in New Vegas obviously) and it keeps crashing on the mission where you go into the bunker to kill Dr Mago, right at the part where he gasses you and you end up in his cell. Ive been through this mod before and haven't had this issue, and I'm almost positive I have all the same mods now as I did last time, so I dont think any of my other mods would be conflicting with it. Anyone have any guesses as to whats causing this?
>>147012765
>>You see, being reminded every second of your background and muh son breaks the RP in RPG, even F3 was better in this aspect
check >>147012658
>Why do you want to totally ignore the role your character has since it is an rpg?
Your character's role is supposed to be background info, you stop being a courier after the intro, you stop being a tribal after you step out of the temple of trials and you stop being a dweller in 1 and 3 after you step out of the vault
>I'm not sure you understand what roleplaying
Optimal true roleplaying is your background not interfering with your current play
>Caring about a kidnapped child is not being overconcerned.
You got a point here
>You just don't like the role you are playing.
EXACTLY, and what if I want to be something else ? what if I want to roleplay a dad, but an evil one not just an asshole ?
>You mean the disgruntled organization that was split in half over the changes?
They're not Midwest BOS
>>147012910
Then where do they get supplies and ammo ? It can't be from Enclave corpses as they just recently showed up to steal the macguffing you were gonna waste on a purifier
>>147012485
>almost all my reviews on Steam are positive, I really like games
I don't write reviews, i don't really like games(i like some genres, that's it) and i only bitch about games that i should like(c&c heavy RPGs) if they really fuck up in generals or on /v/. Mostly because i'd get banned anywhere else for calling someone else's taste shit and recommending that he should just fucking kill himself if he's actually retarded enough to like it.
>>147012798
Because NV wasn't that good.
-The faction rep system made the game far worse because it made NPCs near totally psychic to everything you did, preventing you from doing alot to sabotage the factions while still remaining on their good side.
-the armor disguise system simply didn't work in any logical way, and had no use in the game
-the DT armor system was so bad Sawyer had to give all medium and heavy armors DR in his personal mod because without it they didn't reduce any more damage then light armor
-Because the armor system was so broken,alternate ammo types were nothing but placebo effects on anything but the highest artificial difficulty setting, and even then, only in the DLC where level scaling was bad.
-the weapon and armor list was a bloated mess of shit where 90% of the guns were totally useless because their stats different so little from a similar gun that they played basically the game
-The game world was deader then dead. NPCs were barely more active then those in Morrowind, with most of them dong nothing but standing in one spot all day only to walk 5 feet to their bed.
-the lack of a random encouter system made the game world feel even more lifeless
-Obsidian's inability to "show not tell" resulted in yet another game by them where 99.99% of world details are given out in overly long NPC monologues that don't sound real, and seem more like people reading out of a atlas.
-All the facts were totally unlikable by any means, largely because they kept touting how great they were, but never managed to do shit without you
-The companions were, bar none, some of the most annoying NPCs in any game I have ever played, with Cass and Veronica constantly reminding me of shit written by bad fanfiction authors.
In short, NV was just a fucking terrible game that didn't work on any level, and worked in most ways worse then the already poorly made Fallout 3.
Fallout 4 takes most of the problems I had with NV and fixes them.
>>147013275
>Then where do they get supplies and ammo ?
The Pentagon, I assume. They were in Pittsburgh for awhile too.
>>147013275
Something being annoying and being bad rolepay are entirely different.
>Optimal true roleplaying is your background not interfering with your current play
Background should have a lot of influence on the way you act.
What kind of person is not influenced by their past?
>EXACTLY, and what if I want to be something else ? what if I want to roleplay a dad, but an evil one not just an asshole ?
Play a different game!
>>147013373
>Legion says their territory is great and wonderful and stable
>Here's a solitary NPC to read to you how wonderful Legion territory is
lamo
Anyone have any mod suggestions for New Vegas? Going in for another playthrough after a long while and sort of want to dabble in mods this time around.
>>147013775
Project Nevada.
>>147013416
Fair enough
>>147013561
>Something being annoying
Funny, that annoying thing pretty much breaks the 'RP' experience
>What kind of person is not influenced by their past?
Progress, change you know
>Play a different game!
Definitely
>>147013775
Mods expanded, bullet time, cross fixing and deadly headshots are great addons without breaking the feel of the game
Does anyone know of a mod that lets you outfit your settlers in batches or etc? I would really love it if I could have a box that I place my random guns, armor, and extra ammo and the settlers just grab anything that is an upgrade and trade in their old crap.
>>147013775
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PXoYBg2bdanMbqN1VsCTcFnqAUl4pww307VgVugGi7c/edit?pli=1#
Take your pick.
>>147013373
Is this copypasta.
>>147013373
>Fallout 4 takes most of the problems I had with NV and fixes them.
And the fact that your skills don't have any impact on dialogue options as long as your charisma stat is high enough? That the game doesn't take your experiences into account in many important conversations(what's a ghoul? what's a supermutant? despite you having killed a dozen of each by the time you get to DC)? What about the being given your own private faction that you can't do shit with except build them homes and furniture that they never acknowledge or even comment on? I mean you can put the biggest fucking highrise in the center of a settlement and the settlers still act like they have to sleep under leaking roofs and swiss cheese walls on bug infested beds.
Those, combined with the god awful animations especially when it comes to weapons, are my absolute fucking dealbreakers.
>>147013775
Tale of Two Wastelands, Project Nevada, Realistic Wasteland Lighting, Weapon Mods eXtended, More Surplus Ammo Types, Goo Be Gone, NVAC, DarnUI, and The New Bison Steve Hotel are all good.
>>147013373
>-The faction rep system made the game far worse because it made NPCs near totally psychic to everything you did, preventing you from doing alot to sabotage the factions while still remaining on their good side.
>I want to help this faction but fuck them up
You still can do that, as there are mixed reputations
>-the armor disguise system simply didn't work in any logical way, and had no use in the game
It's useful for stealth characters and quite a lot of quests
>-the lack of a random encouter system made the game world feel even more lifelessOh hey, didn't see you there, thought you were a raider
The rest of the things are subjective or just outright wrong, especially the companions partNo character in 4 has more depth or personality than Boone/Cass/Veronica
Guys when can I expect degenerate mods a la lovers lab skyrim for FO4
>>147014357
2017 maybe
>>147013373
Beth's only good writing is "Shot not tell"
The engine is shit for any scripted scenes and so is any writing that isn't backstory in notes and terminals
It's a perfectly acceptable mode of communication for these games
>>147014357
Three hours
>>147014347
>there are mixed reputations
That's not what he's saying, he's saying that if you complete an objective against a faction without them possibly knowing it was you, they know anyway. Which is stupid.
>>147014347
BUT MUH PIPER MUH DICK
The waifufags in 4 are insufferable given how badly these characters are written, and the only reason any of these people care is because of a couple lines of dialogue and a perk when you sleep
Go play a fucking VN or something if you want that
>>147014550
I see know, fair point
>>147014134
>And the fact that your skills don't have any impact on dialogue options as long as your charisma stat is high enough?
Most RPGs I have ever played only have a singular speech skill/stat that determine if you pass or fail a speech check.
Indeed, its near universally considered the OPTIMAL way to do speech checks, as it ensures that taking speech actually leads to a new gameplay experience, unlike New Vegas which had so many way to pass a speech check in every situation that basically every character could get the exact same things because chances were very low that they didn't have one of the 20 different skills/perks needed to pass the speech check.
>That the game doesn't take your experiences into account in many important conversations(what's a ghoul? what's a supermutant? despite you having killed a dozen of each by the time you get to DC)?
That is literally every RPG including New Vegas with its equally dumb "whats the NCR" questions despite the fact you literally came from the NCR before the beginning of the game.
Every RPG has you ask stupidly obvious questions the characters should know had they spent any time in that world, but that you are allowed to ask so the devs can give you, the player, the information.
>What about the being given your own private faction that you can't do shit with except build them homes and furniture that they never acknowledge or even comment on? I mean you can put the biggest fucking highrise in the center of a settlement and the settlers still act like they have to sleep under leaking roofs and swiss cheese walls on bug infested beds.
Better then Yes Man whose only effect was changing some post-game slideshows that changed nothing in the game itself.
As least settlements produce shit based on happiness and what sort of resources you have there.
>Those, combined with the god awful animations.
Never had any problem with the animations, which are miles better then anything in Fo3 or NV.
>>147013965
>Funny, that annoying thing pretty much breaks the 'RP' experience
No you just don't like it.
Your preferences != good RP.
What you wanted was some blank slate character to start out with and that is not what you got.
You got something that wasn't a blank slate and you couldn't avoid the character's past. It wasn't the character you wanted, so you said it was bad RP.
RP isn't really dependent on whether you were given a role or defined it yourself. The changes in the game didn't really fit the blank slate and instead focused on the assigned role.
More focus on the characters emotions than their abilities.
Kek this fucking game has like no guns WTF
For those that missed. The PlayClub hairs are being worked on a bit more now. Got one of the bangs in now. There's gonna be a lot of color variations, since unfortunately equippable hairs won't work with your hair color.
This may take a little bit longer than the hats, unless I could find someone that wouldn't mind doing some Bgsms, which would cut down a lot of time on my end.
>>147014765
>Your preferences != good RP.
Kek no, 'my' preferences are optimal Fallout RPG stuff
>What you wanted was some blank slate character to start out with and that is not what you got.
I said I agree with this point you nigger
>RP isn't really dependent on whether you were given a role or defined it yourself
It's too forced in 4 goddamit
>>147014887
Nexus tier looks like shit but not suprised
>>147014887
>>147014595
For example
In New Vegas
>Kill three guys in the middle of the wasteland, no one around to see me do it = instant vilification
>Disable the nukes at the end of Lonesome Road with no one around to see me do it = instant + rep with the BoS and Followers
in Fallout 4
>Kill three BoS soldiers in the middle of the wasteland, no one around to see me do it = they don't know it was me
>Warn every faction during the Battle of Bunker Hill quest resulting in a large three way battle where no one knows whats going on = I can complete it any way I want and still stay on my factions good side by using their lack of knowledge to my advantage by lying about what happened.
>>147014347
>It's useful for stealth characters and quite a lot of quests
Given that any enemy NPC above grunt can see through it, and any good stealth character would have 100 sneak which would let them sneak up to someone in broad daylight and not get noticed, its literally useless.
>Oh hey, didn't see you there, thought you were a raider
Thats not a random encounter, that a scripted event where said NPC spawns at a pre-set place and just runs to wherever you are
>No character in 4 has more depth or personality than Boone/Cass/Veronica
But Boone, Cass, and Veronica had ZERO personalty, hell, Mccready's MUH SICK SON! shit was done 100 times better then Boone's overly dramatic "MUH DEAD WIFE!: shit
Well that was easier than I thought. Time to export and see if it works.
>>147014887
>dem white bangs
hnnngh, Rogue was my childhood waifu, especially the Evolutions version
>>147015043
>For example
Why he just said he understood the point?
>>147003068
Combat rifles are shit
>Boring design
>Looks almost exactly like the combat shotgun
>Almost every worthy "unique" weapon is one
>They are literally everywhere in the game
Basically the t-60 of guns in 4.
>>147015354
Fuck off about wanting your tacticool shit you /k/uckold
>>147015043
>Fore example
Yeah I understood, thanks for the explanation anyway
>above grunt can see through it
Nope, only rangers/centurions who are quite rare
>Thats not a random encounter, that a scripted event where said NPC spawns at a pre-set place and just runs to wherever you are
>pre-set place
Again, randomly, but yeah you got a point here
And to be honest pre-selected easter eggs are more fulfilling and rewarding to find than luck based one
>But Boone, Cass, and Veronica had ZERO personalty
You were explaining nicely, but you dun goofed here
discarded, f a mAnd boone's not forward at all with his background, hell, it's the hardest one to trigger in the whole game
>>147015097
Poor Rogue could never kiss anyone without them getting hurt because of her mutant ability
>>147015015
I don't think you know the meaning of Nexus tier.
>>147015043
Still better than no faction system at all.
You're right about random encounters though. They were going to be included, but were cut.
>But Boone, Cass, and Veronica had ZERO personalty, hell, Mccready's MUH SICK SON! shit was done 100 times better then Boone's overly dramatic "MUH DEAD WIFE!: shit
t. Someone who's lost all legitimacy to comment on writing
Thoughts on this image?
>>147014658
>Most RPGs I have ever played only have a singular speech skill/stat that determine if you pass or fail a speech check.
Which is fine in most cases but not when it comes to Fallout or any other game that has it's roots in CRPGs. It is crucial that my chosen skills offer me new and interesting ways to play the game and solve situations in and outside of combat.
>Every RPG has you ask stupidly obvious questions the characters should know had they spent any time in that world, but that you are allowed to ask so the devs can give you, the player, the information.
Then they shouldn't give me the option to explore the world before the lore dump(have the player getting injured and waking up in DC or just let me say a variation of "Oh, that's what you call those ____? Yeah, they're not so tough.")
>Better then Yes Man whose only effect was changing some post-game slideshows that changed nothing in the game itself.
Which is perfectly fine when my choices don't have an impact until the game is over because it's just the planning phase.
>As least settlements produce shit based on happiness and what sort of resources you have there.
And that wouldn't be an issue if i was just a lone wanderer getting involved in local shit but Beth thought it was smart to apply the same "no far reaching consequences" logic to a game that has you build a faction with several towns, home to hundreds of NPCs complete with trade routes and shit and nobody really takes note of that. No mayor that approaches you for treaties or contracts, no settlement leader visiting you to feel out the new neighbors. Nothing.
>Never had any problem with the animations
Running animations have you sliding over the ground, weapon animations are recycled over and over again with many different types of weapons and NPCs just stand around during conversations. That is fine when you just don't want cinematic conversations but 3rd person conversations need actors to move and act lifelike.
>>147015757
quite accurate Tbqh
>>147015572
>Nope, only rangers/centurions who are quite rare
No they aren't, once you get past level 20, and get even remotely into the MQ, they start showing up all over the place.
>And to be honest pre-selected easter eggs are more fulfilling and rewarding to find than luck based one
Except they aren't Easter eggs, and comparing random encounters to Easter eggs is disingenuous as fuck.
>And boone's not forward at all with his background, hell, it's the hardest one to trigger in the whole game
Its only hard to trigger because Obsidian are idiots and put like over half the trigger points in event that happen BEFORE you meet him.
and being forward or not has nothing to do with what I said in the first place.
>>147015446
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>>147014887
>>147015097
>>147015737
>>147015737
>mfw a qt that looked just like xmen evolution rogue IRL started talking to me and I went full spaghetti
