Jamyl Edition.
Null space, no rules, no Concord.
old thread: >>145118124
permalink: http://orph.link/eog
>Can I make enough ISK to PLEX during the trial?
If you have to ask, you can't do it.
>I just started, what should I do?
Do the Opportunities then find the Career Agents & run all of their missions; they give you ISK, ships, skillbooks and teach you basics. Talk to players and try to find a corp. The game is only as boring as you are.
>Is it too late to start playing EVE?
No.
>Read the UPDATED /eog/ pastebin: http://pastebin.com/ser9Acpg
>Focus Group Logs: https://focusgrouplogs.tech.ccp.is/
Future:
>Maybe more shekel madness soon, some new pirate cap stats leaked: http://playground.schildwall.info/sisileaks/newstats/
>Winter: new "drilling platforms"
>Fall: new "industrial arrays", barge reworks
>Summer: AOE BOOST/LINK REWORK, citadel iterations + contracts, Rorqual rework
Past:
>May 31: RIP old camera, new multi-use analyzers introduced
>May 30: RIP Dust 514 (long live Project Nova)
>May 24: DO YOUR SP DAILIES
>May 20: PL Fortizar on Goon undock
>May 19: HK anchors first XL Citadel
>May 16: Stunt Flores now Imperium FC
>May 12: Name ships automatically with a saved fit name
>May 06: Eve Online 13th Anniversary
>Apr 27: Citadels & cap rebalance released. Tears, bugs, etc. RIP rolling yachts.
>Apr 23: Fanfest 2016 over
>Apr 21: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/csm-11-election-results/
>Apr 19: GSF camped into Saranen
>Apr 10: Drone Walkers crazy stuff in the Russian theater etc
>Apr 12: GSF absorbing Imperium corps; FCON + SMA bail
>Mar 28: CFC is dying. CO2 reset. IWI funding the MBC to burn down goons
>Mar 09: Massive mod tiercides that broke a lot of fits.
>Feb 18: Last CSM X Summit: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-second-csm-x-summit-meeting-minutes-included
>Feb 09: SP trading
>Foozie makes a bunch of stupid pointless changes (don't ever remove this from the OP, because it is always true)
Repost here pls don't pod me.
>>145551462
>>145551550
10k sp from rats? Skill points or..? Can you explain please?
Also can you please tell where can i check on fits\ships\whothefuck are mordu and clone soldiers and wtf? 90% of the links i see are from 14 and older and forums are mostly missions and complexes.
Toin Jengoo
>>145552532
get 10k SP for killing a rat daily
>there are people here who don't thank kev for making the new thread
What is wrong with you?
>>145553046
implying he doesn't have a script running making a new thread for him.
>>145553119
Wow that's an awful script, half the time it's super late and sometimes it just doesn't get made.
What the fuck Kev?
>>145552649
Oh i just remembered people talking about daily quests or something, i guess this is it? And "dank bounty and modules" i suppose is just a lucky loot?
I guess im pretty annoying so im just gonna ask: what's a good ship\ship type to run belts in nulls? Bonus points for telling me that ammar pve is not shit...people told me this over and over and i ended up with 6m in missiles and no lasers. My ratting experience is so far only a rifter in 0.2-0.3.
>CFC is dying
This needs to be changed, they're dead Jim.
>>145553239
Confessor.
>>145553239
any T1 cruiser is good for belt ratting in null, even a T1 destroyer, but those require more skill.
and by dank loot I mean just normal loot form rats, especially battlehsip rats since they are the most valuable. You melt them down to minerals for ease of selling. But you can get lucky and get a faction spawn which does give shinies.
if you are dead set on specializing with amarr a confessor is good, or omen if you want a T1 cruiser.
Remember to broadcast 4 reps m8s. Because after you spend years playing a garbage MMO all that's left to do iskysirl.
>>145376689
>>145376689
Previous Thread because I fucked the OP up
>>145553424
alright, I burned my hot pockey in the microwave, I could really use some reps before I go into deep hull.
>>145553263
That's why it's dated March 28
At that point in time they were dying
I guess someone could go check on dotlan to see when they finally lost all sov butI'm the only person who ever updates the timelineexcept for one timeand I wasn't here to make the thread
>>145553413
>You melt them down to mineral
>in nulls
I suppose there is a some kind of "mobile refinery" or i don't understood you correctly? How do you melt down items in space?
I guess i'll go with confessor eventually, too bad i only had "destroyers" at 3 and lost all that value...
>>145554412
>all that value
that takes like no time at all to tain
>>145554412
damn, forgot to ask: I never used t3 destroyers...is there any tips on how to use them? Just one mode or switch from time to time?
>>145554412
Citadels.
>null rules
>no concord
if I see any of you shitposting I'll blops you.
>>145553263
But they're not.
And making a post saying
>CFC is almost dead is pointless and gives them attention
Just wait
>>145555031
>Just wait
For the final gasp of death as they settle into being an irrelevant NPC null shit show?
amarr girls are gross
I bet they have abortions every day of the week
>be missioning for SoE after grave losses exploring
>trying to get some money and implants
>pirate comes in to loot my wrecks
>hes in a cruiser
>im in a BS
>think to myself "not this again" engage him
>taking him out decently
>his buddy warps in
>repairs his armor as i keep hitting him
>ransoms me for 90mil
>gives me instructions on how to finish the mission and to leave my BS and purchase a rookie ship
>says he wants a trophy kill
>i follow thinking he just wanted money and each rookie ship was a reminder of how many successful ransoms he took.
>at first i gave him real shit but then i was complacent
>he told me to fire on him in my rookie ship
>i did
>he wrecks me
>"okay its all over. im going back to my battleship"
>NOPE
>he pods me
>he probably took my battleship too
Just fuck my shit all up. i shoulda just let him loot my shit, like all the other times someone does.
>>145555158
>npc null
once mittani makes the migration to another game post, soon.
>>145555182
what the fuck are you talking about and why are you using a BS to do lvl 2 or 3 SoE
>>145555182
do you have stuff left?
>you will never get literally cucked out of the game as hard as mittani did
Feels so good.
>>145555182
Hahaha, you dun goofed.
>>145555182
You're a fucking moron, chalk it up to an expensive lesson on why not to shoot ninjas.
>>145555182
reminder that there are people this retarded and scamming eith the oldest trick even after 13 year is easy isk.
>>145555369
>not wanting to be free from the burden of sov
pleb
>>145555172
>faithful zealots
>abortions
Learn lore.
>>145555182
cucked
>>145555182
Man it's been almost a decade since I was involved in this sort of shit. Giving me crazy nostalgia anon.
why cant i be an aborted zealot? or a faithful abortion?
>>145555182
>highsec
Never, EVER try to pvp someone in a pve ship in highsec. It will always go badly.
>>145555459
thats what white girls say
they probably mumble muh zealotry while fetus is being pulled out
you know its all bullshit
meanwhile,,, minmatar women mother entire tribes of strong minmatar warriors
>>145555452
>free of the burden of sov
>still hanging out in Saranen and getting camped all day.
I don't understand why he just hasn't moved somewhere else already. Is he really deluded enough to think he can "reconquista" anything?
>>145555526
>he doesn't have a 10 man catalyst multiboxing gang with 2 T2 logi ships
>>145555532
>nigmatar mothering slaves
We appreciate your kind efforts.
>>145555504
Doesn't help that you're an aborted abortion
>>145555339
it was level 4, and i was using my BS because i didnt have my myrmidon.
>>145555364
of course i still have Stuff
>>145555380
>>145555414
i did goof hard and yes, this was a lesson well learned. I shoulda never caved in. I shoulda stayed defiant from start to finish. Lesson for life.
>>145555439
well...its a first time for me.
>>145555486
Glad you get feels at my expense. No hard feelings, really.
>>145555553
there is no escape from the goonhammer
no matter where you are, you will be struck down
even though we dont even have the capability to win a fleetfight, we will succesfully deploy through wormholes to every region and take back everything and more
>>145555697
Alright, don't forget to Broadcast 4 reps after you try that.
>>145555697
XD GOONFLEET LEGION
>he doesn't want to be a amarr fetus floating in space just to be tractor beamed and becoming powerful minmatar pilot
ЛЮБOЙ БИДOH - ПPAЙMAPИ!
Любo... ДA ЛЮБOЙ БЛЯTЬ!
>>145557410
god I fucking hate russians. Dirty, dirty people. Do not trust whatever they say
>join /eog/ Certified-Organicâ„¢ corp
>sign up on services page
>set up API with highest mask, (they can even read my Jita whore diaries)
>set up TS3 auth from services
>download TS3
>set up Mumble auth from services
>Download Mumble
>set up forums account from services
>please use this info to log into forums and then set up forum-API link
>k
>set up Discord
>Need to make a Discord account first
>k
>Set up Discord auth
>Download Discord
>error, contact our helpdesk pilots in-game
>k
>Set up Jabber auth
>Download Pidgin
>Set up Skype
>Update Skype, 800mb of ram skype.exe running in the background
>Set up ISBoxer for my Jita whore multitasking alts
>Setup Slack Auth
>Log into Slack
>Just a bunch of shitposting
>Close Slack
>Set up Facebook corp group (requirement to file for SRP)
>"Go lose a ship and link a KM to authenticate the SRP program"
>Lose my Arty Vagabond
>ok.
>File Arty Vagabond for SRP
>"Denied"
>"Not a Corp Fitting"
>okey.
>PINGPIGPING
>"QUICK COMMS CHANNEL #3 TIME TO HIT TOWER EVERYONE GET ON NAGAS"
>No Naga in new home system
>"C-can I bring my Punisher"?
>"Yes you can bring tackle but you need to download the new tackle comms mumble plugin v0.2 first anon go to this link anon https://a.cocaine.ninja/fvxpoy.exe"
>...O-okey ...I-is it safe?
>"Also make sure you download the new Windoes 10 Discord Overlay, link is somewhere on the forums."
>Cool
>Searching Forums
>Access Denied: Need additional APIs
>Set up my Jita whore API so I can make it to the fleet
>"Ok everyone undoc- anon are you really a Jita whore"?
>New program has to update, doesn't ask for permission.
>Forced Reboot PC
>Corp channel blinking
>Alliance channel blinking
>Director wants to start new conversation
>Pidgin blinking
>Discord blinking
>Skype blinking and using 2gb of ram
>TS3 blinking
>Mumble blinking, tackle comms mumble plugin going nuts
>Forums notifications blinking
>New Facebook message on wall.
>ANNNOOOON GET ON COOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMSSSSS
>My mind slowly drifts into the abyss.
>>145557582
what is this one supposed to be
>>145557953
tengu i think
>>145557904
literally fucking me. why are guilds in this game so fucking cancerous
>guilds
>>145558375
>hurrr they are corporashuns because eve is a grown ups game xDDDD
i like my klan
>>145558454
>>145558375
>toons
>klan
christian imageboard etc
>not joining the official EVE Online General guild
>implying that woudln't be the best name of the official eog corp
>The Dog Klan
>>145558628
>>145558624
why is this censored?
>>145558850
because this is a christian imageboard
>posting catgirls even after the great minmatar catgirl purge
all their wet corpses were sent into an unknown shattered wornhole
>>145559024
>white hair under the ears
gross
>>145555182
>grave losses exploring
hey anon, what do you listen to when you just really really need to get that kspace exit probed out in the next hour?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwnmRCA8Bco
>>145559948
Official stay awake music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byb5n8gcgmI
vaporwave
jurassic rap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9PieqLPrLg
>>145560068
yeah that's the kind of thing i hit when i need to focus on a single thing without getting distracted. i don't know if it's just me, but eve always pulls my attention in so many directions after i log in, no matter how focused I am when i first open it up.
>>145560068
jesus this is terrible. That imagery of bronies dancing to shit like this keeps replaying in my head.
kindly kys fuccboi
>Home at Last starts playing
>>145560667
seriously dude
you guys should be listening to vaporwave
https://youtu.be/qSF8r1mdCRc?t=226
>>145555003
>>145555121
>ywn be this autistic
>>145560667
>bronies
How the fuck did you come to this conclusion?
>>145561576
tons of videos of bronies dancing to degenerate sounds like that one.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/54617495/
>>145561690
glad i'm not the one watching brony videos
>>145561929
bcuz you'd be the one dancing
cuck btfo
>she flies minmatar ships
Considering the 30 day free trial is free, what is the actual point of paying 4 dollars for the humblebundle currently going? I assume those 4 frigate skins are literally junk that usually comes with the free trial stuff.
>>145563205
there is no 30 day trail. you are pay 4 dollars for a month that would otherwise cost you 20 as a new account.
>>145563205
The trial is 21 days
>>145563312
what
>>145563339
what
>>145563312
>>145563339
>>145563375
Alright I didn't realize they lowered the trial on the website from 30 days back to 14
Could I actually learn anything useful within a month to make it worth having?
>>145563476
three characters with decent PI skills
>>145563476
do you mean to ask can you learn if you like the game or not? certainly, but you most likely wont have a good time unless you try to join a corp
>>145563476
You can, but you can't play Eve solo. Eve is an MMO, not a themepark lobby game like most MMO's today.
There are some activities you can do alone, but these are things created and intended to fill the time between the things you do with other people.
is project reality worth doing? i'm not a new player so don't really need any skill points i can get, but it might make me burn out less quickly
and out of interest, how many of you have sold skill extractors/injectors after filling them, rather than use them for a different set of skills?
>>145564731
fuck is project reality
>>145564828
and that's how much i don't care about it: project discovery lmao
>>145564874
>>145564874
its shit money now
>>145564874
benji pls go
>>145564731
it's not worth doing to make big bucks but it will earn you roughly the same amount per hour as mining with a solo t1 ship in hisec but without making you train any mining skills. This allows you to train real things in the meantime.
i sell sp that i've farmed on an alts specifically for the purpose, but i've never sold "unwisely trained" sp from a character for money or reinjected it elsewhere - probably because most of my characters are fairly young and focused.
>benji
>not new
>the tristening is still happening
>at least benji is not as shit as maow
>mfw maow maow makes Benji look good
>>145565085
interesting; can i train on an alt on the same account while training my main character, or would i have to get another account to do this effectively?
>>145565190
>not new
>asks this
>>145565160
Banjo's sub ran out. Many tristans were spared since.
>>145565261
i've only ever had the one account because money and haven't played for about 3 years, many things change in 3 years. also never been able to afford two accounts before, i can now, but if it isn't necessary then i won't
>>145565365
is he a minor?
>>145565545
He's like 15 irl.
>>145565545
yes
Join [some corp]
>>145565587
>>145565678
jesus
is anyone in all-out an adult?
>>145565815
He's not all-out. He was just in /v/ bros.
>>145563638
Good luck. PH is huge, and there were still no fleets.
>>145565815
he is, in fact, currently banned from all-out's slack
>>145565894
Well he used to be.
Is most of all-out underage tho?
maow maow is the oldest all out member and he is 16
would using a rigor catalyst make your missiles do less damage to larger ships? i feel like from what ive tried to learn it wouldnt
>>145566251
No, the application mods always make you do more damage to targets.
You want your explosion radius to be small and your explosion velocity to be high
>>145566251
No, it wouldn't.
>>145566341
>>145566447
i feel like missile boats should just always use these then. it would help being versatile when missiles are usually pretty cucked without running separate modules
>>145566210
is maow maow the token older guy all the younger kids make fun of?
>>145566525
>missiles are usually pretty cucked without running separate modules
What? Missiles are total easy mode gameplay.
>>145566525
There was a thing someone discovered recently in that its always better to either use rigor or flare catalysts but I can't remember which one.
Missiles that aren't RLML or RHML are really trash for a number of reasons
>rockets
really short range, but good damage
>heavies
fucking garbage, RLML's do just 5% less damage including the reload timer and apply infinitely better
>HAMs
high damage but really short range and as bad application as heavies
>cruise missiles
REALLY long range, OK damage, really high alpha but not so great application
>torps
high damage but you'll never come close to reaching that damage because apparently slow boating battleships at like 200m/s can negate 50% of torp DPS. If torps aren't on a stealth bomber they're trash
>>145566770
>Missiles that aren't RLML or RHML are really trash for a number of reasons
arent rockets fine?
>>145566770
rigor
>discovered recently
maybe you discovered it recently, it has been this way for really a long time
and I know it's you again you faggot, rapids are overpowered, all other missiles are basically ok. you forgot to mention light missiles btw, which are as overpowered meme-tier as rapids
>>145566847
really reallly short range. I think a jackdaw with max missile skills can get out to 20km in sharpshooter and thats really hard to work with.
by comparison, Light Missiles have 3 times the range and just as good application and on a jackdaw that means everything
>>145566847
rockets have good application because you're already scramming and probably webbing the guy.
>>145566967
>they're OP
because they're the only good ones. Theres only a few ships with bonuses that actually get HAM's over 30km and even then they apply like shit to cruiser sized targets.
Heavies are still trash and always will be
>>145566970
wouldnt the rockets do more damage at least? is the increase just not worth the range defecit is what youre saying?
>>145566970
they aren';t short range for a frigate weapon gaywad, what are you talking about
>>145567068
>because they're the only good ones
no shitter, compare them to non-missile weapons, they're better than all the turrets as well. they are overpowered and make smaller ships totally irrelevant. they break the game and are overpowered
so all im learning here is that cruisers and destroyers are the only things worth flying, not just because they have t3 variants, but because BSs cant hit shit and are slow as fuck, and because frigates die to light missiles too easily. is this how this game works?
>>145566847
I've found that rockets are okay if you're tackling something that can't track you that close. Then again, I'm that asshat that will sit 200km off you and take pot shots in my naga until you go away. So disregard me, I suck cocks.
>yfw light and rapid missiles velocity nerfed by 100%
>>145567320
what you should be learning is that the guy who thinks rapids are balanced is a fucking retard
BS can hit shit, you just need some support. if you're a bad pvper like the guy I'm talking about, using webs and painters is too hard, and your battleship must be able to just press F1 and apply full damage to anything or they're unusable
I guess that's what people are used to though since rapid cancer
>>145567174
They do, however it doesn't overcome its huge shortcomings. Rockets are usually left to kestrels or breachers and flycatchers and heretics because they're the only ships that really use them "well" because in every other instance you'll want to use LML's
>>145567194
>compare them to non-missile weapons
you want to compare missiles as a platform to other weapon systems with infinitely more versatility?
>They're OP
Go ahead and try to use Heavies or HAMs in any PVP situation and you're gonna wish you had RLML's in every single case because of application.
When you're doing your favorite battleship you're always gonna choose RHML because of application, torps use too much fitting and without the range and application bonuses of a stealth bomber you won't hit anything for any decent damage. Not even golems use torps because they're such trash
Cruise missiles are the ultimate range weapon with great application to relevant targets. High alpha helps mitigate that poor application but still suffers from the shit that torps go through.
>>145567489
>a BS can hit shit but you need support
you're not gonna bring a battleship to any fight. Your fleet is going to be as homologous as possible with your entire fleet basing around ONE single type of doctrine and engagement platform.
>>145567320
are you really this retarded?
everything has its uses.
You want cruisers and frigates all at V because they give the largest amounts of ships to fly
rapids might be op but as a frigate you can always warp off
>>145567597
>infinitely more versatility
kill yourself. missiles use no cap, can swap damage types, and are unaffected by range, as long as they're in range. that's the most versatility of any weapon type
>hurr rlmls
yes, because rlmls are overpowered
>hurr rhmls
yes, because rhmls are overpowered
do you think before rapid cancer people just never used missiles? pls biomass
>>145567725
uh no, you don't have to do that. small gangs very often bring a nice balance of different stuff
>>145567725
>Your fleet is going to be as homologous as possible
Lol what? Nullsec go away.
>>145567837
>uh no, you don't have to do that. small gangs very often bring a nice balance of different stuff
And they get shit on because your fleet is garbage and can't play for shit. Your battleship will just get caught and die.
>>145567915
>he brought 5 more guys than me, his corp is shit and he's a filthy blobber
You really wonder why people ONLY use RLML's
>no guys its because they're OP not because everything else is shit
Heavies are still shit even after their dinky little 5% buff last fall. Paying for the drake's infinite debt
if a ship has light missile damage mod, does that apply to rlml too?
>>145568202
what damage mod is specific to weapon size?
but even then, yes
>>1455682021 RLML Jackdaw
>>145568069
>And they get shit on because your fleet is garbage and can't play for shit. Your battleship will just get caught and die.
no actually, they get a shitload of kills because they have tackle, things that kill tackle, and fairly slippery long range heavy damage. surely in the reddit meme videos you love so much you've seen people tryharding with oracles
you really should kill yourself at this point, if you cannot understand why the caracal for example is so immensely popular compared to its non-missile counterparts
>>145567725
>>145568069
what are web lokis, what are huggins, what are lasers,.what are 40km scrams
What are nano machs, phoons and bargs
what are sniping battleships.
>>145568324
>>145568342
>my anecdote proves otherwise, even though battleships are one of the least used platforms because of their huge downfalls.
>no I just made up that I brought a huginn to my fleet so I win
>>145568323
1? like run just 1 rlml? for what purpose?
rocket drake
>>145568472
Memes
>>145568409
>people don't use them which proves that they're bad
nice anecdote
long range webs are useful literally all the time faggot, and are extremely popular. you could maybe call bullshit if it was a vigil, since it does nothing but TPs. please biomass
>>145568487
heavies and hams are such shit people would rather run RLML's that they don't even get a bonus to because its always better to have good damage application and low damage than no application and high damage
>>145568507
is it for that 1 frigate out at range and you just cant catch up?
>>145568580
>out of range
>jackdaw
This never happens.
>>145568529
>nice anecdote
I can pull this truth from anywhere on zkillboard. People don't use battleships anywhere near the frequency of other ships. Battleships aren't used for a number of reasons and one of them is they get shit on by everything else while having little actual benefit beyond higher DPS and tank.
Hell please try and justify the abaddon because apparently and according to you that battleships are A-OK
>>145568663
what about a rocket jackdaw?
What are some memefits that work?
>scorchcane
>scorchferox
>rocket raven
>small laser rokh
>scorch vaga
>>145568409
>people don't try this expensive high reward, high skill celling gang combos because they are shit
literally the same reason why people don't play games like EVE or high strategy RTS games anymore and settle for the instant satisfaction ASSFAGGOTS (T3D fleets.)
>>145568537
Rapid light drakes are a thing the same way rapid light sacrileges are a thing. Sure your HAM drake or HAM sacrilege does great damage on paper but because HAM application is such ass you'll do no where near that.
the HAM damage reduction factor on HAM missiles makes it even worse, even if you manage a scram and web your damage is still heavily limited purely because the target doesn't meet a certain signature threshold. This forces you to either pick a web or a target painter just to get somewhere near your paper DPS
For the longest time, the pheonix would do zero damage to a slowboating archon doing 75m/s
>>145568713
you're saying battleships are unusable. I'm saying some of them are decent. abaddons are afaik only good for battleship blobs, and they're pretty good at that
>higher DPS and tank
lmao yeah, who cares about DPS and tank, what useless attributes
people not doing something isn't a good argument for that thing being bad, pls biomass
>>145568924
because a fleet of battlecruisers is far more versatile than a fleet of battleships
I'd rather take a fleet of prophecies or hurricanes to battle than ever think about bringing a fleet of dominix or tempest
>>145568971
>abaddon is only good for blob
PL is the only alliance that actually uses abaddons and even then they don't run lasers on them
>>145569056
>PL is the only alliance that actually uses abaddons and even then they don't run lasers on them
people not doing something isn't a good argument for that thing being bad, pls biomass
>>145568663
if you killed a frig with a jackdaw you probably blobbed the poor thing.
>>145568763
If you killed a frig with a rocket jackdaw the frigate is a goddamn retard and got his ass scrammed
>>145553413
i thought reprocessing was a horrible return on isk
>>145568971
>people not doing something isn't a good argument for that thing being bad, pls biomass
>people not using the abaddon isn't a reason to why the abaddon is bad
>people not using assault frigates isn't a reason why they're bad
>people not using heavies is not a reason why they're bad.
Oh I'm sure its EVERYONE being wrong and not the fact that people don't use garbage weapon systems and ships because they're bad
because apparently you think that if people don't use it because its shit isn't an argument to "its not shit, people are wrong its really good"
Yes, the abaddon is bad and no one uses it because its BAD. The opposite is true, people don't use it because its bad
>>145569056
T1 battlcruisers?
lmao
no they are not, they can't even hold ground against HACs.
Command BCs?
They might as well be battleships cost wise.
But they still can't hold ground against pirate battleships.
>>145569147
>If you killed a frig with a rocket jackdaw the frigate is a goddamn retard and got his ass scrammed
see the problem is is that im new and i dont know what this is implying. are you just saying a light missile jackdaw would have killed him faster, or at longer range, or something? wouldnt anyone that got scrammed be in pretty big danger for death?
also, if youre going to play a jackdaw and... do... i dunno, whatever in pvp, dont most people fly cruisers and destroyers, and rockets would be better for that? or are there plenty of frigates?
i want to think lights are better but when i think about enemies i think most scenarios rockets are going to be better
>>145569281
how do you think up fleet comps and setups and shit? do you just look at how popular things are on zkill and copy them? where do you think new setups come from?
>>145569473
Jackdaws with light missiles do no fucking dmg, but they have retarded long range, which doesn't mean shit when the target can warp any time he wants.
Jackdaw is also the slowest T3D and if it ever scrams a frig or even another destroyer that didn't want to get scrammed the frig/destroyer was simply terrible.
This is also why light jackdaws can't kite, slow as shit even in prop mode.
So with rockets jackdaws most of the time you have to hope the enemy wants to fight.
>>145569921
how do you have no friends in a videogame
>>145570046
if you start adding variables this is gonna get nowhere
>>145569921
okay well, i understand what you guys are telling me, but i dont really have the experience to know what would be better overall. pretty soon me and some friends (3 or 4 people total) will be doing small gang pvp in null/low, and im going to be a jackdaw. i have to decide whether to train light missiles or rockets. ill do both of course but i feel like rockets would just be better when we will most likely have a tackler. is this wrong? will i find use of range in pvp? its hard for me to guess because we dont have any experience
>>145569618
>how do you think up fleet comps and setups and shit?
pick a good ship and fit it appropriately. Many alliances have already hyper optimized potentialities of fits. Theres no reason to do something different when what was being done before still works. You don't change shit for no reason
i thought ham tengus were a thing
>>145570501
They're only a thing because of the massive Rate of Fire bonus mixed with the amazing active tank ability. Its the only ship to get 10% to shield booster bonus per level. However if its not this strange PvE fit its most likely a slippery pete tengu that uses extremely long range railguns
>>145570478
>alliance doctrine
>optimized
bahahaha
>>145570478
but you think good means ship people fly. I think you're missing my point. if you're a gross little cuck who thinks things are bad because people don't fly them, you will never be the one making new and interesting stuff and being ahead of the curve, because you assume that it's all bad. you should know the actual reasons why a thing is bad or good
>potentialities
lol
>>145570501
a HAM tengu can get up to 900dps and some 1200dps tanked but people only use it for ratting. I think its still damage locked to kinetic so any other damage type gets significantly worse DPS.
the HAM's still apply like shit but the fact that you can spray tons of missiles per second negates any application issues even if half your dps is being negated because of application.
>>145570649
>I don't have a retort so I'm gonna quote two phrases then type "hahahaha"
>>145570698
>but you think good means ship people fly.
most likely yes
Theres a reason people use it, probably because its good. People don't do fleets of ishtars or drakes anymore for a reason
>>145570840
yes, and you should look at those actual reasons rather than insisting that the reason they're bad is because they're unpopular. ishtars aren't even bad, I imagine a pretty big reason to stop using them was people were pretty sick of flying them, and the hassle of having to pick up sentry drones. I'm pretty sure they've been mostly replaced mostly by heavy missile cerbs lol, even though we agree that heavy missiles are a bit bad
>>145570437
just comes down to preference.
rockets for brawling means you are risking more but the target will never escape as long as you are alive and you pump out more dmg.
Good for solo too but don't expect to beat svipuls or cruisers without massive bling.
Against cruisers you will have to stay in sharpshooter outside of their scram range.
Lights you can snipe from retatded ranges like 80kms from complete safety but with shit dps.
Don't work at all for solo.
If you get tackled you are 100% dead, but you can apply dmg to cruisers very safely.
>>145571061
>yes, and you should look at those actual reasons rather than insisting that the reason they're bad is because they're unpopular.
>why does no one use this? its really unpopular
>oh fuck thats why its because its shit
>>145571153
okay, thanks a lot
>>145570437
just match what they're doing. long range is always useful, but if your friends are all short range, you're pretty much just being a cowardly dick if you fly a lower dps long range ship rather than brawling with them
>>145571183
from 9 years of experience, most of the time unpopular shit is unpopular because its too hard or takes too much effort to set up and make it work properly vs easy shit you can just roll with and do fine with everyone orbiting a fleet watch list.
>mfw hams will never be good
>mfw ccp thinks that rapid launchers are somehow a fix
>>145571464
agreed. also quite often you'll see the thing that is 'second best', or not quite as easy to fly, being like 1% as popular as the meme ship, so if you do the moron's popularity = effectiveness, you'll think something perfectly decent is utter shit. sometimes it's not even worse, it's just less convenient to skill into for a particular group, or less good as a counter to other things that are popular at the time, or whatever
>>145571625
They just won't balance HAM's so they apply good to cruisers. They apply like shit even when a cruiser is sitting still. Like its a CRUISER size weapon that does poorly against other CRUISERS
>>145571625
>mfw eve players still don't realise links are the main problem with all the bad missile types
also slow flight time I guess
![Cool+story+bro+aint+a+clue+if+this+already+exists_ff5759_3462961[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VWA62Cr.jpg "Cool+story+bro+aint+a+clue+if+this+already+exists_ff5759_3462961[1].jpg")
>tfw incursion member is getting fucked by a deccer
>"omg anon you done fucked up you in a war"
>"try to bump him off him!!!!!!"
>coincidentaly at war with said deccer
>land on grind with my vindi and almost dunk the fool
shouldve fit a scram
>>145571805
slow flight time is also why they're bad on the orthrus
HAM's on an orthrus don't project well because of the orthrus's bonuses
>point out on eve forums that hams apply like shit
>point out that rlml are cancer
>get swarmed by orthrus pilots claiming that theyre fine
>>145571870
>think of the poor orthrus pilots
lol. the orthrus is baby mode overpowered faggot shit. its insane velocity bonus helps mitigate the badness of slow missiles, and makes fast missiles basically not have a flight time at all
try using hams or torps without that, they go like 3km/s or something, it's painful if you aren't within 10km. I guess that might be intended, but it's too much, and cruise missiles for example go something like 10km/s
>>145571805
Eve players are the biggest fucking idiots in this planet. You want to know why? because they follow the path of least resistance. Every single fucking shit they do has to be min/max based on effort:output.
it doesn't matter the fact that missiles are more than usable, what matters to them is the fact that in order for them to work they need an organized group that is not just composed of straight DPS, but also of support roles from Ewar that extends beyond their bullshit ECM meme, like actually training target painting V and using it to its full capacity.
But nah, fuck that, let's just FOTM up in this bitch and just arty svipul this shit because that is much easier.
>>145572272
are you retarded
why would you do something hard when you could do something easy
go read sirlin again, you've clearly forgotten him
>>145572249
>>think of the poor orthrus pilots
I didn't say that
I meant that because of the way HAM's fly and work, they don't work well with an orthrus's bonuses
>>145572343
my point exactly. Fuck faggots like this one ^
>>145572272
guys... i... im in love
i dont know how to shake this feeling, what should i do? someone needs to help me
>>145572483
I want to vomit.
>>145572857
I like crow too.
>>145572483
the real cancer there is the proteus
everytime I check 40% of svipul kills are camping shit, who cares about that, if you die to a gatecamp you are a newfag shitter
>>145572959
>if someone catches you at a gate you go through and you happen to not be in an instawarp frigate you're new a shit
>T3 cruisers are balanced guys
>mfw literally even the legion is on the list
>>145572483
If svipul didn't exist, the topspot would be tornado and you'd be complaining as much. Also zkill calculates like shit.
>>145573221
>caracal
>dude just check your map to avoid gatecamps it doesn't matter if that particular area is always brimming with kills just bring your 5 ooc alts to scout for you
>>145573221
they are due to their heavy costs and risks
>>145573350
>If svipul didn't exist, the topspot would be tornado and you'd be complaining as much. Also zkill calculates like shit.
the sabre was the top for years before the svipul you stupid shit
>>145573350
>tornado
lmao
>>145573414
>they are due to their heavy costs and risks
lmaooooo
>>145573414
Because sabre gets on kill just by bubbling and because other dictors are fucking irrelevant. Sabre alone won't kill anything but some explofrigs.
>>145573492
epic well thought out reply
>>145573492
>>they are due to their heavy costs and risks
>lmaooooo
>I don't have a retort so I'll just quote him then put "lmao"
>>145571835
>doing incursions while at war
inb4 vindi lossmail
>>145573523
>Because sabre gets on kill just by bubbling and because other dictors are fucking irrelevant. Sabre alone won't kill anything but some explofrigs.
so? its still number one
>>145573178
do I have to explain everytime how map statistics, bottleneck systems, border systems and zkillboard and the fact that camping systems have always been the same camp systems since 13 years ago for obvious reasons should be enough dead giveaway to not die to camps like a complete faggot?
Even 3 minutes of dotan will reveal every camp in the game.
Stop being a complete shitter.
>>145573816
>Sabre alone won't kill anything but some explofrigs
it will kill or escape from nearly all solo frigates, and also it applies like 300 dps to bigger ships while not taking any meaningful damage because lol shield buffer. it's convenient for skirmishing because its tank regenerates, and it's easy to fly because it goes fast and applies damage very well in scram range because giant range and tracking bonuses. it contributes really quite a lot when with other people
>other dictors
>irrelevant
only the eris is bad. the flycatcher and heretic are really good. but they aren't as easy cookie cutter pleb mode as the sabre, so they are like 1% as popular
>>145573358
>I want to go through that problematic system even tho I k ow its camped
I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SURVIVE CCP PLEASE IM ENTITLED TO ROAMING IN PEACE I PAY EVERY MONTH
Git gud
>>145573816
So you never leave hisec. Ok.
>>145573816
someone already called you on your retarded contingencies
>>145573358
>I go somewhere
>the people live there want to kill me so they undock a dictor and other stuff and bubble the exit as I try to leave
>wow should've looked at the dotlan anon what a retard!
>don't you know you can see camps on the map? get good XD
>not (you) ing meme
who are you quoting?
>>145574123
>>the people live there want to kill me so they undock a dictor and other stuff and bubble the exit as I try to leave
You can see all that happening and act accordingly.
Stop whining. Camps are gay but no one's holding a gun to your head and ordering you to go through them.
>>145574030
you can shitpost but not dodge camps
>>145574021
I live in deep null, lowsec and npc null/wh with different corps on my 8 pilots.
I have not died to a gatecamp since new years eve meme roam.
I do enjoy how you think avoiding camps is so hard, its cute.
>>145574305
>>145574283
>Stop whining
kys
dictors are popular and useful. they get on basically all kills in null. saying they only ever get used for 'camps' is fucking retarded
>>145574123
>know there is a camp there
>still decide to run it
>lol they came to kill me how dare they
>die like shitter
>fucking gate campers and svipuls I deserve to go anywhere I please without confrontation shit game ccp I wish this was a theme park mmo so I could just respawn and try again
>>145574457
>le he proved to be better than me, better call him a fedora tipping nerd now xD
>>145574625
people undocking a response fleet to gank you is not a camp, kys
>mfw it's not hard avoiding gatecamps with my 8 alts
>ur a faggot newshit if you get caught by camps
>ok so I don't want to get caught by gate camps
>just scout with your alts, use zkillboard, dotlan and all this extra shit because ur a fag if you don't
>hurr stop thinking you should be immune to gate camps gosh.
>you can't dodge gate camps hurr
never ending cycle
>>145572951
ugh... you will never understand
>>145574748
>mfw its easy to read things properly and make shit up
>>145574684
so why are you bitching?
you simply got ganked, are you gonna start crying about people engaging in non-consensual pvp lmao git gud
>>145574890
>scout with your alts
nobody ever mentioned this but since reading is hard lets be sure to shitpost about it.
>be too lazy to do the rest because lazy people are shitters
>die
>bitch in an anonymous imageboard
the cycle trully never ends.
>>145575125
>nobody ever mentioned this but since reading is hard lets be sure to shitpost about it.
better scout your scouts so your scouts don't die to a gate camp
>>145574890
it's because people have forgotten what we're actually talking about, like this guy for example
>>14557512
>ship is too good at catching and killing people, resulting in it being used a ridiculous amount
>so people camp with it sometimes in addition to other things
>LMAO YOU DIED TO A CAMP
>>145575194
better shitpost about shitposting of a shitpost nobody ever wrote to make sure the shitpost stays relevant
EVE isn't "fun". If you play it for "fun" YOU are the problem - the cancer - the aids - the cyst - that NO single person in New Eden wants. Only 1% of the community play the game right. Fuck off with your stupid forced meme shit trying to justify this shit fucking game, I make so much ISK/hr and sell it RWT - upward of thousands per month. What have you done with your life LOL? Kissless lonely virgin faggots, have fun being cucked F O R E V E R.
>shitters mad because they get called out for being shit
like an overheated polarized small gun cycling, it just never ends
>tfw you pitted those 2 faggots that argue in every thread against eachother once again
inb4 heavy tackle
>>145575486
I'm one of those 2 faggots and I'm not really arguing much here, sorry. or maybe there's 3 of us I guess
>he died to a gatecamp
when are you biomassing?
>>145575486
>tfw you are the real cancer behind all the lumps
wow what a great achievement, you should be real proud
>>145574510
>saying they only ever get used for 'camps' is fucking retarded
>implying I said that
>>145575962
baited on a gatecamp
>>145576023
lol how the fuck do you die to a gategamp lol just use the fucking dscan you fucking plebs, the game has all the fuking tools you need i've never ever died in eve causei'm just that goodand i make BILLIONs with a littl e something calledcommon sense.
>he/she dies to camps
>he/she lives in highsec
>he/she dies to svipuls
>he/she dies to carriers
>he/she dies to fleet formups
Just quit already, you are failing at basic week 1 mechanics shitter.
>undocking
What should I fly if I just want easy no skill kills? I was thinking an orthrus or maybe just stick to my confessor.
>>145576609
>confessor
until you meet a svipul
>orthrus
do it
fuck the poor shitters that can't afford 2 bil cruisers
>>145576720
What the difference between a svipul and a confessor? I figured they were the same aside from lasers and projectile turrets.
100mn orthrus
>>145575975
>camps camps camps camps camps
>if you die to a camp then you're bad lol
>here's how to not die to a camp
this is an anonymous image board
>>145576965
no, they're completely different, to the point that their only similarities is that they are both T3Ds that go too fast. 90% of svipuls you'll find are either untanked arty shitfits with about 20km range, or mwd scram 2 mse autocannon brawlers. 90% of confessors you'll find are beam snipers or some kind of plate brawler with either pulses or low tier beams
>>145576965
svipul is a very scary and fast brawler if proper ac fit and it will waste a confessor if it tackles it with its superior speed and tank.
arty fits are easy for confessors to kill but they probably won't ever engage you
>>145577475
if it tackles a snipe confessor yes, not if it tackles a brawl confessor
tech 3capitalswhen?
>>145578016
Nullified haulers when?
