Dueling Network General #2205
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First.
Second for Cupidity.
>>145422410
By choosing a clan.
@Hearthstone anon
I think it's a pretty good time to come back, there's a lot of new fun stuff and decks aren't super degenerate like dragon rulers
OCG looks more fun tho
>>145422675
Dragon Rulers weren't degenerate. I'm sorry, but they don't hold a candle to F-P EMEm's powerlevel.
>>145422675
Downloading devpro now, recommend any decks to get back into the swing? Haven't played since pendulums came out so i'm pretty shit
>>145422991Fluffals
>>145422991
Netdeck a decent-but-not-horrible deck with Pendulums like Pendulum Magicians orQliphorts, and try out some of the newer decks that have come out. Also, since you got a simulator (I'd suggest getting PercyPro but ok), try some OCG decks like D/D/D, Cardians, etc.
>>145422991
Pendulum Mishmash, really. Pendulums are the future. Might as well learn how to use them properly.
Reminder that devotion to your waifu makes you better at card games
Cubic is fun
>>145422991
>he missed DUEA
oh you poor anon...
>>145422991
Netdeck something pendulum like magicians or performapal, or a mix of both in 1
Pendulums are fun and i highly recommend learning the mechanic
I think D/D/D is fun but a bit complicated if you're coming back.
Check out Metalphosis if you like fusion
The Phantom Knights if you like Xyz
Speedroid for easy synchros and Xyz
>>145422991
>devpro
Just get percy
>>145423298
Diamante missed DUEA too, explains why he's so full of shit
DUEA 2.0 WHEN? The game needs that soft reset.
>>145424097
After INOV
Man this general has been molasses slow for longer than usual.
>>145424591
>Marzepan is gone
>King is gone
>Vorcia is gone
>Mariomon doesn't post as much as he used to
>Evolkaiser stopped posting after being revealed he replies to himself as anon and forgot to remove his trip
I blame the lack of trip activity.
>>145424591
All the kids are out of school and can't play with their friends as often, all that's left here is dedicated autists, trips and some people who just genuinely care about the game.
>>145424812
>>>Evolkaiser stopped posting after being revealed he replies to himself as anon and forgot to remove his trip
When did this happen? I was at an anime convention all weekend and haven't been paying attention
>>145424591
Don't worry, I'll start the funposting right now.
1x Upstart is good, even in decks with 41+ cards, since its a free random card from your deck.
>>145424834
somehow it still doesnt make this general less cancerous
>>145424172
I hope so, DUEA was a pretty fun format.
>>145424925
Check the archives. Literally his last or lasts posts
>>145426615
Lol, what's the point of doing this?
>>145427049
I dunno. I was just pondering why so many trips left this place so soon.
>>145427049
Maybe he was just fucking around.
Swamp Man did it several times in his early days to piss off Atmos and Marzepoo IIRC.
>>145427438
Evolkaiser pls
>>145424591
VJump is just on the horizon with INOV, Destiny Soldiers, Ancient Gear Deck, July OCG Banlist and possible new product announcements. There's also still a chance for some more DM and BE support in the Structure Decks.
>>145428203
Infernoid support please, give us faster (spell) milling than Void Launch
Can someone share a Fluffal build? I wanna build them as a petdeck, but I don't know the right ratios for the cards.
>>145428760
Most people like to put in sheep but I found these to be more useful
>>145424812
>try to bait trips out
>only evolkaiser shows up
Ok now I'm worried.
TCG Movie Pack news when? I want to know what the extra cards we are getting are.
>you sit down with your kozmo deck and get ready to face your opponent.
>he makes this field
>you have no kaijus, sphere modes, lava golems or volcanic queens.
how do you get over this field?
>>145430693
Twin Twister Raigeki,
>>145430945
i bet that facedown is anti-spell fragrance, or dark bribe.
are you sure you want to take that chance?
>>145430693
3 Santa Claws
getting rekt HARD in ygopro!
no matter what deck I'd tried, I would only win a game or two before I start losing like ten games in a row!
If this keeps up I be below the 100 ranking!
HELP!!!!!!
>>145431140
Cool. Twin Twister into Raigeki. Nothing changes, and you just burned a shit backrow to do nothing.
>>145431327
stop playing singles, retard
>>145431442
I would if more people would play tag and not fucking quit before the first turn, asshole.
>>145431821
No you damn idiot, you should be playing matches
How meme is this Australia top?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9a0vFEbMZg
Tag when?
What the best way to build a Red Dragon Archfiend deck? Do I use Resonators card and spell? And what non tuner cards are idea for deck searching?
>>145429881
>tomahawk
>useful
>dark meme
>meme substitute
>no fucking cat
>3 wings
>only one instant fusion
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm29046498
>tfw want to build felgrand with the other level 8 dragons (light and darkness, schesomething and mythic water dragon)
>is becoming too gimmick and all the netdeck I check uses ravine and the fucking $40 dragunity gae darg
fucking kill me, why cant japs do some sick deck with felgrand
>want to make red eyes dek
>realize they're still crap even with the new card
meh
>>145433497
>has youtube link in description
why
Eric
>>145431327
Sounds like you have a serious case of Get Good :^)
whats this i hear about the OCG banlist?
>>145435623
I've done some bad things in my life
This is one of the worse things
>>145433272
What's wrong with three wings? More than 1 instant fusion for what, to clog up my vendor mills?
>>145436189
I think I have you beat
Post decks that make you salty.
>>145437392
KFC never fails to piss me off.
>>145437536
>KFC
>???
>>145437392
yo frognarchs were the shit
>>145436945
Check sheep's level. Three wings usually clogs your hand more than anything since you only want to see one
>>145437729
Chicken wings, duh
>>145437925
Yeah, I know you can instant fusion sheep but if I make sheep I usually go into it with materials. I use wings all the time with vendor to get more draws so if I get a vendor/bear and a wing in my opening hand I'm off to a good start. I don't know what the usual ratios for it are but since I use it as a draw engine I don't see why I would use it at less than three.
>tfw you realize Insight is shit because its targets are garbage
Red-Eyes Fusion's restriction are loads shittier than its effect.
Return is alright but searching it means you opponent will just easily play around it, and it does fuckall by itself.
Spirit is sorta okay since it can't really whiff if removal is chained to it but it's a fucking trap.
Cards isn't even a fucking red-eyes card why.
Searching Transmigration through it sounds like the dumbest shit when Pre-Pre exists.
Red-Eyes are a mistake.
>>145437392
decks that make you salty.
Someone buy 3 Pendulum Sorcerers for me.
>>145439536
sent
>>145439176
>implying they aren't going to release a decent Red-Eyes S/T alongside it
It's pretty obvious senpai.
is it possible to have a competitive deck without pendulums?
>>145439931
look at the top decks, you dumb motherfucker
>>145440018
How about without XYZ? Or Synchro?
>>145440092
Monarch
>>145440092
LOOK
AT
THE
TOP
DECKS
YOU STUPID PIECE OF SHIT
>Opponent says "gg"
>He only activated a Solemn Warning
Reminder we will get one more Blue-Eyes Synchro since we get two Normal Summons through pic related. Get hype.
So, I have a question. When BA got hit, why did people drop the stunshit build with Black Jack? I figured that'd be stupid good right now, especially with Beatrice setting it up on demand.Also is BLS still sekrit memetech in BAs? I wanna use my Gold one I picked up today.
>>145441000
Nice trips.
I'd like to think that we're getting 1 synchro and 1 dragon per each member of the cult one day
Okay, someone please buy 1 Performapal Pendulum Sorcerer for me. If you do, I'll be your best friend forever.
>>145441494
Sorry I just bought 4
>>145441521
I could buy them myself, but I don't to spend money on card board.
Tag Duel anyone?
>>145442295
I'll see if my internet likes me today
WHERES THE LEAKS
>still no leaks
>get back into yugioh after 7 or so years because cousin wanted to plat
>only learn to play monarch because that's what both of us ran
>go and get shit on by Kozmo since I had never seen it before
>play it on ygo
>mfw
I love it but I hate it.
Anyone got anyShiranui sekrit teks
>>145446198
JUST LOCK HER UP
Who the fuck needs to normal summon when you can Double Quasar, Sifr and Crystal Wing without normal summoning.
>>145446984
main ra sphere mode for the mirror :*)
>>145446767
Horse Prince to grab Gran Maju de Ezra whenever.
>>145447630
Grab who?
btw i added the synchro, thanks man.
>>145447982
400 ATK/DEF for every banished. Level 3 Fire Fiend.
>>145448049
ah alright
>>145444994
Stop posting Yuya, my penis can only handle so much pressure.
Do you guys think that Shaddolls might get their stuff unbanned like Mermails did a while back?
>star hall on field
>activate anotehr spellbook
>star hall chains and mst my star hall
>star hall doesn't activate when it's destroyed with counter on it.
im confused
>>145450937
to clairfy because im fucking tired
>my spellbook activates, opponents mst chains and targets my star hall instead
is what I meant
>>145451069
>When... You can
ok
>>145451069
It missed timing since it's When, You can
Anybody knows what rarity is this guy's reprint going to be for the 2016 Mega Tins?
Should I sell mine before they come out?
I like how it looks as a secret, but if its price is gonna drop, well... I don't know what to do.
>>145451861
Either Super or Platinum Secret, probably Super, going by the rarities of the other tins.
>>145451861
Unless if it gets hit by the list or something, Secret should keep a decent value from what it is now. See: secret rare Majesty's Fiend prices.
>>145451861
Speaking of the Mega Tins do we know what sets are going to be included?
Post meme decks I want something to fuck around with m8's
http://ygodr.blog.jp/archives/1058342064.html
Its clear what the top 3 decks are at this point.
I know Blue-eyes won't get hit that much since DSoD is still selling over in OCG land and the Kaiba SD still hasn't revealed all the monster slots so it could get new support.
Metalfoes aren't really the problem, the floaters and combo enablers are the issue so I could see Majespecters, Stein and Ariadne getting hit
D/D/D has too many pieces to hit so I don't know what they could do to neuter them without making the deck unplayable.
Only V-jump will tell.
>>145453779
CROS, CORE, DOCS and BOSH I believe
>>145454706
https://ygorganization.com/obelisk-force-insect-type-deck/
>>145454728
>cyber stein at 3
>cyber stein usable at all
What the fuck?
>>145454945
>HFD at 1
>Reborn at 1
>Raigeki banned
>>145455024
OCG list don't make sense, but at least they didn't limit upstart goblin.
>>145455535
OCG's banlist makes a lot more sense than TCG's banlist.
Raigeki does nothing but punish people for not playing floatshit decks while HFD is actually usable by every deck since nobody wants to deal with backrow causing them to lose the game.
Monster Reborn is only usable in certain decks now since most decks have a way to revive their cards in archetype and pendulums only add insult to injury.
Cyber-Stein stopped being good when handtraps were invented since the 5000 lp is a cost so if you get veiler'd, you may as well scoop right there.
Exterio and Last Warrior can be outed with common Monster effects/S/T and nobody is doing Stein OTK past 2005.
Monkeyboard and Sorceror got their proper hits unlike in TCG which limited Monkeyboard and kept Sorceror at 3.
Monarchs didn't even get touched and E-Tele got a bogus hit.
Upstart and Chicken Game are another story since it was Equalizer/Magical explosion which should have been hit.
The only thing OCG did wrong was Burning Abyss but it's basically Phantom Knights and Speedroids carrying that deck now anyways aside from the fringe ritual decklist which only works since Releaser never got banned.
I want to get this on a mat. Should I?
>>145457196
Not if you want to get into a tourney
>>145457274
I'm sure locals won't mind.
>>145457196
You're really obsessed on that Gyaru-Chan thing aren't you?
>>145457349
Yes.
>>145457423
It's literally a SoL miniseries. Calm down.
>>145457556
I am aware of that.
>>145457196
>I'm here to play card games and fuck some bitches....Sadly I have to win this match first and the bitches are nowhere to be seen
>>145454728
If they wanted to hit DDD they should limit Gate Contract and Savvy Kepler. That would reduce the deck's consistency without killing it.
Doing something like limiting Lamia or Swirl Slime would completely kill the deck because they would only be able to make one play per game, which really isn't enough these days. That will make it a much less interesting deck to play too.
>>145457603
So I should get it.
>>145456372
Cyber-Stein is still a fucking dumb card to have around because it reduces any game it's summoned in to
>do I have veiler
>yes
I win
>no
I scoop
>>145459002
Kaiju the exterio
>>145459054
No matter what, Stein just adds a lot of variance to the game which is never a good thing.
I wonder if they'll give us any Dark Magician in Blue-eyes support in these decks.
I don't think they can reprint anything more unless they're going to scrap the absolute bottom of the barrel and go for Duelist Kingdom era vanillas.
>>145460810
They've already shown all the new cards.
It is so sad there are no good pictures of Omega's art.
I'm trying to turn raccoons into Exterio turbo
>Sign up for Troll and Toad
>No confirmation email
>Can't sign up for Troll and Toad
Fuck dis.
Where else should I order cards?
>>145461296
I can apply a noise reduction filter and it looks pretty good, but I end up with a swirly background.
>>145454728
>All top 3 decks running Cupidity
Does this finally kill the anti-Cupidity fags?
>>145462762
I'll stick with Upstart and 1 day of peace and not nuke my deck tyvm
>>145462949
>I'll be a complete scaredycat and not live on the edge with a free +1 tyvm
Whatever you say retard
>>145462301
Scrap the entire deck and build something around this
>>145463157
Nah it's not worth it
Yes it's high risk high reward, but any single card that can potentially ruin your game is just too silly to actually consider
You use whatever cards you like friend, I'll have none of it
>>145463206
how the fuck is MSF more consistent than hex sealed
I never realized how fucking big the Graydle engine was. Damn,14 cards. Shit.
>>145463323
MSF doesn't require a normal summon in a deck which needs its normal set/summon.
>>145463427
that didnt answer my question.
how is getting beast + barkion on the field/in the grave and having MSF more consistent than beast + hex sealed
>>145462301
>No Hex Sealed Fusion
>No Miracle Synchro Fusion x Gale Dogra
>No Summoner of Illusion x Mound of the Bound Creator
?
>>145463516
It isn't but Hex is a shit card that you'll need TWO turns to resolve and if you have naturia beast on the field and your opponent can't get rid of it you are in a winning position while if they kill it then their gonna steam roll you and that hex sealed is just gonna sit there doing nothing.
>>145463525
>no hex sealed fusion
im running 3, idiot
>no MSF + gale dogra
2 unsearchables and minus 6000lp? no
>summoner of illusoins + mound de la bound
summoners pretty good but i cant help but think sticking to the beast engine wont be more consistent
>>145462762
Speaking of which when does this shit get hit?
It's Pot of Duality all over again except it has even less drawbacks and gives a +1
>>145463680
what are you talking about, obedience + hex is a two card exterio, any field with beast and hex is exterio, the whole deck revolves around getting beast and hex on the field, to make exterio. how does it take two turns to resolve when you can just normal summon it and go
>>145463810
>Graydle Engine is 14 cards
fuck dude.
>>145463852
Your not gonna always open up obedience and hex so unless you open magical christmas land you don't get shit except a shittier raccoon deck and if you go second with zero twin twisters chances are your Exterio/Beast is gonna get strike'd
I wish BA could fucking die already. 2 years is way too long to be a Tier 1 deck.
>>145463810
It's only good in 60 card decks.
>>145464040
>sometimes they might solemn strike you :DD
okay and why does any of this mean i should stop running hex and use MSF instead
>>145463394
>>145463905
Still smaller than the Madolche engine unless you're only using it for rank 3
>>145462949
>Not running Gren Maju to slam a 8000 beatstick with one normal summon on the table
>>145464107
I'm saying you should scrap the entire deck and make something that won't die to to itself T1 and won't die to disruption T2.
>>145464213
>you should scrap the entire deck
and how does that mean MSF is better than hex
>>145464158
>Implying attack points mean anything in this game anymore
>>145464268
stop giving the retarded tripfag attention
>Can send Seraphinite back to the extra to make Brilliant live again
>Can recycle non-Madolche monsters in general
>Is searchable and recyclable itself
>Damage Step shenanigans
>Boost is permanent
Is it already the time every six months where I need to be convinced this card is bad?
>>145464268
Because a deck built around summoning Exterio with zero cost (but setup which your deck should do easily if it's built well) using a spell which floats into a draw is much better than building a deck around a normal summon (which your current deck can only afford to summon if you open up Obedience or Soul Charge) while doing nothing on it's own.
>>145464040
>its more consistent to get barkion and beast on the field or in the grave and have msf in hand, than it is to get beast on the field and hex in the hand
>solemn striking exterio when its summon is not inherent
>>145464586
>activate MST
>Exterio neg
>Strike :)
Best all purpose freebie Ss card that is not forbidden
>>145464459
>non-floodgate trap card
that's all the evidence you need that it's bad
I'm bored. Hosting match
dng vidya
>>145464493
>you cant make exterio without obedience/soul charge
nope, this was my last game:
>set tantan
>tantan is ran over, summon valeri
>on my turn: valeri pitches quillbolt, summons tantan
>quillbolt summons itself
>synchro into barkion
>normal summon hex
>hex activates to summon exterio
>>145464703
how the FUCK does summoning exterio with MSF make solemn striking its effect any different? are you fucking retarded?
>>145464103
>It's only good in 60 card decks.
Nice meme.
>>145464857
What I'm telling you is that you don't understand why Exterio is so powerful in the OCG. Your entire deck is based around summoning exterio using up all your resources and then losing because your opponent had strike/kaiju whatever. If your gonna build a deck around summoning exterio you need to find a middle ground between turboing into him and not losing all your fucking cards just to get OTK'd next turn. MSF is much better at that tast because it is a 1 card Exterio summon instead of having to waste a onboard Naturia Beast (which fucks over 3 of the current 4 TCG meta decks to the point they cannot play with it on board) just so that you can summon a slightly more powerful card.
>>145465119
>MSF is a 1 card exterio summon
how the fuck is MSF a 1 card exterio, how do you expect to get its material on the field or in the grave? how does that mean i should run it INSTEAD of hex sealed?
>>145465293
I'm saying scrap the deck and build something that can summon Exterio and at the same time not die the second Exterio leaves the field.
For example traptrix.
>>145465521
>traptrix is a better engine for summoning nat beast and exterio than obedient raccoons are
oh I'm being baited, okay. youve still not answered my question as to why its more consistent to first make beast and barkion and draw into MSF, than it is to make beast OR barkion, and get hex sealed.
>>145464968
It lessens the blow in 60 card decks. You can still use it if you're suicidal.
>Card negates normal summon
>It's not a trap hole variant
Why lol.
spell speed 4 when
>>145465810
super poly ;)
>>145465810
>>145465910
>no mention of spell speed 5
https://ygorganization.com/ocg-v-jump-july-2016-limit-regulation/
New to the banlist:
Cyber Stein is banned
Gem-Knight Seraphinite is banned
Solemn Strike is limited
The Prime Monarch is limited
The Monarchs Stormforth is limited
Pot of Cupidity is limited
Card of Demise is limited
Return of the Dragon Lords is limited
Dark Contract with the Gate is limited
The Melody of Awakening Dragon is limited
Number 95 : Galaxy-eyes Dark Matter Dragon is banned
D/D Lamia is limited
Majespecter Unicorn - Kirin is limited
Majespecter Raccoon - Bunbuku is limited
Cir, Malebranche of the Burning Abyss is limited
Graff, Malebranche of the Burning Abyss is limited
Speedroid Terrortop is limited
The Phantom Knights of Silent Boots is limited
The Phantom Knights of Dusty Robe is limited
The Phantom Knight of Ragged Gloves is limited
Removed from the banlist:
Blaster, Dragon Ruler of Infernos is limited
Tempest, Dragon Ruler of Storms is limited
Tidal, Dragon Ruler of Waterfalls is limited
Redox, Dragon Ruler of Boulders is limited
Goyo Guardian is limited
Destiny HERO - Disk Commander is limited
Wisdom-Eye Magician is semi-limited
Necroface is semi-limited
Sangan is unlimited
Pendulum Call is unlimited
>>145466483
I'm so glad you linked to your source. That's how I know your post can be trusted.
>>145466483
in your dreams anon
>>145466483
You had me until it said the RULERS returned.
>>145466483
Remind me why Goyo is still banned in the OCG again?
>>145466483
Konami are dumb, but they're not THAT dumb.
>>145466483
>>145466673
they forgot about it
>>145466483
>Goya Guardian
Why is this guy still considered a problem?
>>145466483
>Necroface is semi-limited
It's already limited to 2, why did they say that if it's unchanged?
>>145466483
I would be okay with this
>>145467075
OCG banlist has it at 1.
TCG has it at 2.
What would happen if it was at 3?
>>145467250
I would be ableto make my banish.dek be 50 card or 60 card. Again, depends on Cupidity getting hit or not
>>145467112
did he died!?!?
>>145466483
I'm going to take this opportunity to talk about Brilliant Fusion / Seraphinite.
Brilliant Fusion and Seraphinite can be used in a very large number of decks and I see posts constantly about how they should be limited/banned.
But the decks which benefit most from them are decks which are otherwise garbage. The only exception to this is monarchs, but that is because they have been given absurdly powerful support.
Decks which rely on normal summons to make plays are the ones which benefit the most. Even with brilliant at full strength those decks aren't causing any commotion.
If you want to hit monarchs, hit a monarchs card.
>>145467250
Use pic related since most decks run a Ratio of 15-20 Monsters in their Deck and banish the rest of the 15 with 3 Necroface. Grinder Golem allows the Setup instantly if you're asking how to use this. Soul Absorption with this Crap will allow too high of an amount of Lifepoints to win in less than 5 Turns or just use D.D Dynamite to be a burnfag.
>>145467868
>If you want to hit monarchs, hit a monarchs card.
Monarchs can't take anymore hits without becoming utter garbage.
The Brilliant Fusion / Seraphinite is basically modern day Construct milling. Exploitable and gives grave set up and it's even worse since it doesn't rely on the opponent and it gives you an additional normal summon.
It needs to go just like Terrortop.
>Nintendo only has 1 game to show
NINTENDO IS NINTENTHROUGH!
>>145468360
>people on /v/ are saying that they won
Who else is waiting on GoW4?
Pokemon Sun and Moon looks disappointing.
>>145468326
The OCG banlist has dealt with monarchs fine.
Not topping like crazy, with occasional tops.
>>145467993
I HEALED SO MUCH
AND STALLED SO FAR
BUT IN THE END
IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER
>this much autism over a mongoose
Why do I even bother with Pokemon anymore?
Is Konami going to E3?
>>145468360
This was obvious I rather hear about AMD with Zen and Polaris.
What is this guy on?
How do I intoZefra?
>>145470934
+yang zings
+metalfoes
-every other zebra
DEAD THREAD
LEAKS WHEN
>>145470825
Just bring Yuya.dek.
>nerfing Widowmaker
Blizzard pls
>>145474136
You've got the wrong place buddy, the faggot club is two blocks down
>>145464459
you can try one in your Madolche deck but the ammount of dead hands you will get turn 1 thanks to it will make you hate it
>>145476725
>put 1 lesson in my madolche deck
>get dead hands first turn all the time, terrible consistency problems, even when i dont draw it
>tfw can never go back to a life without madolche problem
>tfw hate it, just as anon warned
>tfw lesson has ruined my life
>>145474136
>playing anything blizzard made after frozen throne
lmao @ ur life irl desu
I feel like this is the definitive version of ABC. I had a huge problem with not getting a tuner to hand but felt that clogging my deck with more resonators would be bad. So I added Krebons and Emergency Teleport. Krebons has only been dead in about 1 out of 100 duels, and only because I got a starting hand of multiple Red Resonators.
That's the biggest problem with ABC, when you open all your resonators but no field or you open all pieces without something to get them on field or grave.
Is there any better an indicative of your opponent being a shitter than using maiden?
>>145477693
Side Maxx Cs remove upstart. Add in 2 Strike 1 Warning and always go first game 1.
>>145474136
She's op as shit the higher level you are.
fucking csgo players man are godlike with her
>>145478112
>2 strike 1 warning
they bricked too much and never contributed to making a field turn 1
Upstart lets me get to the field faster, Maxx C punishes the players that get the starting turn
>>145474136
just bodyshots so now you'll get your shit wrecked for actually being bad
How would one go about creating a main deck engine for the Goyo series? I was thinking of something with synchro-fusionist and miracle synchro fusion, would speedroids be the best option?
>>145478030
Opponent using less than 15 cards in the ED or using fusions like Ultimate Dragon and First of the Dragons. Twin Burst gets a pass being a contact so you don't need to run fusion cards and it's great removal.
>tfw Maiden was intended to be the key card in BEWD.dek but powercreep made her inefficient in comparison to Monster Reborn spamming.
How could they upgrade her to actually make her worth using?
No Priestess shenanigans like what Konami pulled last time, the only thing to match that disappointment was Neo Blue-eyes Ultimate Dragon.
>>145479076
get something that can make Goyo Defender easily, go to town making Quasar.
Even though Gofu + Arma Knight are better at shitting out quasar
>>145479250
>go to town making quasar
been there, done that, im not asking for a quasar deck am i? will the arma gofu build be a good start to work with, then?
>>145479171
Perhaps if there was a card that you could run in BE to set off maidens effect and get another BE, then it might be worth running her.
>>145479076
terrortop + de synchro is a two card quasar using goyo defender and one of the level 6 synchro tuners
>>145479478
im asking so i can build some jank shit with MSF, not make quasar, theres decks that do that better
>>145479376
>literally all of the male members of the eyes of blue cult.
>>145479376
>>145479625
>the field too
>>145479625
>whenever a smelly boy tries to get lewd with maiden she turns into Blue-Eyes
DEEPEST LORE
>>145479790
>Priestess kills herself whenever a boy comes near her.
>>145479625
>>145479732
Would you look at that. There are definitely cards that you can run in blue-eyes to activate maidens effect and even plus off of it, and it no longer makes her slow at all. So why the fuck do people no longer run maiden? It's not like priestess is a better alternative.
>>145480116
>So why the fuck do people no longer run maiden?
>>145480243
Literally the moment you summon her you should be sending her to the grave to summon 2 blue-eyes from your deck. Do people actually think maiden is ever left alone on the field?
>>145478483
Upstart is garbage a 39 card deck isn't going to help you that much. How often will that upstart actually be Union Hangar or another combo piece that will actually help that turn? It's almost always better to have Warning instead of Upstart. Lets say you go 2nd what will Maxx C actually do? The deck still dies to any decent trap/negation. You have to draw into twin twisters to actually make sure your plays go through. Even then if your opponent summons a monster with negation (Crystal Wing Infinity ect.) how will Maxx C help you? What can you possibly draw into to reasonably break any half decent board? How will you punish these players going 2nd? Why make your first turn plays worse with Maxx when Strike is much better going first? Yes, I understand that you don't always go first, but most of the time you will be going first and siding out traps for Maxx c is much better games 2 and 3.
How do you feel the top 4 should be hit on the next banlist?
>Kozmo
>Dark Destroyer banned
>Tincan limit
>Kozmotown semi or limited
>Monarch
>Pantheism limited or outright banned
>Domain to 1 or banned (if one of them gets banned the other can stay at 1)
>Ehther limited
>Phantom Abyss
>Dante to 1
>Cir to 1
>Graff comes back to 3
>Phantom Knights of Silent Boots limited
>Performapal Odd-Eyes whatever
>Sky Iris limited
>preemptive hit to Sorcerer, goes to 1
>Joker can come back to 3
>>145478483
>>145477693
>still insisting with Upstart
For the love of god anon, we already went through this shit so many times
YOU FUCKS WILL NEVER LEARN
>>145480546
>how will you punish the players going second
it's not a choice to go 2nd, if the opponent wins the coinflip they will make me go 2nd
>>145480670
>Monarch
>Pantheism limited or outright banned
>Domain to 1 or banned (if one of them gets banned the other can stay at 1)
>Ehther limited
This is worse than how Shaddolls and Nekroz were gutted, anon, jesus christ. Contain your salt
>>145480770
except that ABC need their win cards (Transmodify and Union Hangar) in hand the fastest possible. They should use Upstart. Otherwise you keep bricking.
>>145480395
>Do people actually think maiden is ever left alone on the field?
I've seen it happen several times.
Another reason aside from S39 is that Maiden is weak to missing the timing since it's "when...you can" so your opponent can chain anything to the effect targeting Maiden and make it worthless. Let's not forget that Solemn Strike is everywhere so it gets even worse.
You'd find that Dragon Shrine + Return/Silver's Cry is a better combo than her.
It's a shame Blue-eyes is still missing their Eternal Soul/Return of the Red-eyes clone card.
>>145480670
This is terrible.
Dark Destroyer can stay at 3. It's Kozmotown, Tincan and E-tele which need to go.
Ether ain't worth it. It's the Monarch S/T which needs to go. Pantheism, Stormforth, Domain and Prime all limited.
Burning Abyss hits seem justified.
Joker stays at 1 and Sorceror and Pendulum Call joins it
Monkeyboard joins the permabanned list with Yata and Makurya
Sky Iris can stay at 3.
Kirin and the Raccoon need to go.
>>145480885
This
Hitting cards in certain decks is only meant to let other decks surpass those decks, not make them completely unplayable.
>>145480885
having a match-up that easy against Extra deck based decks is broken, anon. No other deck has it.
Ehther interactions with Kuraz and Stormforth allow for easy plusses and disruption on your opponent's turn. Unless you seriously think that Erebus is a problem.
Pantheism is a Pot of Greed that lets you choose what you get to hand.
>>145481067
Maiden + sage is a 2 card combo for 2 blue-eyes.
Shrine + cry is a 2 card combo for 1 blue-eyes.
>>145481067
>seriously advocating for E-Tele to get hit
fuck you, Kozmo shouldn't bring down the viability of psychic decks just because they use the card
Dark Destroyer has defined two entire formats, it's time for it to go
>limiting Stormforth
Stormforth it's fine, it's just a less restricted Soul Exchange
Prime is fine too, without Pantheism it becomes just a wall that can r5 and it's annoying to get over, not easy recycles with Edea
>>145481334
>Dark Destroyer has defined two entire formats, it's time for it to go
The problem is Tincan and Kozmotown. Leave the boss monsters alone.
>>145480803
Yes, but how will Maxx C help in this situation? It draws into nothing relevant going 2nd. Strike is good going first and that 6th card will make sure you have less dead hands because of the traps.
>>145481096
>having a match-up that easy against Extra deck based decks is broken, anon. No other deck has it.
Nekroz
Shaddolls
Literally anything that floodgates the ED, and shit you can turn off Monarchs with Twin Twisters.
You want to kill the Monarchs:
Draw power
Graveyard setup
Floodgates
Searching
Boss Monster summoner
This is like if you banned Construct, Winda, Beast, El Shaddoll Fusion and Hedgehog in one fucking list. You can't kill an entire archetype because it makes you mad that you have to draw your fucking outs, idiot. Not to mention you should be able to slaughter Monarchs with your side-deck anyway.
>>145481483
Shaddolls don't have an easy match-up against Extra based decks, they just can cheat out materials and that isn't even good with Construct banned
Nekroz main extra deck stun tool is LIMITED, what does that tell you?
>I-IT DOES TO SIDE DECK TRUST ME GUISE, DECK IS FINE
T. Mad Monarch player
>>145481334
You really think E-tele is just for Kozmo?
OCG limited that shit because Psychic tuners and Blue layer are easy degeneracy enablers.
Lose the salt about Dark Destroyer. Just because Kozmos have a good boss monster unlike certain decks, doesn't mean it should go.
>complain about Ehther interaction with Stormforth
>doesn't want it to get limited.
Clearly you don't know how much power it gives Monarchs. It removes anything not totally hexproof and because it's Monarchs, they gain extra advantage from it. Your only hope is to negate that shit the moment you see it or Erebus/Ether is going to fuck your shit up.
> it becomes just a wall that can r5 and it's annoying to get over, not easy recycles with Edea
That's the problem. It's free tribute fodder, r5, synchro fodder and a damn wall.
Even worse is that it breaks trap monster rules so it forces any monster with 2400 or less to tap out and then next turn, it goes into any of the above 4 mentioned.
Not to mention that it takes a single Monarch S/T and they got loads of those used in three.
>>145481751
I think he was talking about pre banlist dolls and nekroz.
>>145481471
except that a card that has made it so
>your deck needs to have 3k+ atk monsters
>your deck needs non-targeting non-destruction removal
>your deck needs to be able to otk through Dark Destroyer
>your deck needs to be able to negate the floating of Dark Destroyer
or otherwise you can't fucking stand a chance against meta deserves to be gone
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm29050570
>>145481751
>Shaddolls don't have an easy match-up against Extra based decks, they just can cheat out materials and that isn't even good with Construct banned
Back in the day, Winda was GG to Extra Deck-heavy builds of anything. That's why Shaddolls consistently beat any build of Qliphorts that didn't have 3 Skill Drain, you fucking idiot.
>Nekroz main extra deck stun tool is LIMITED, what does that tell you?
It tells me they had it, and they had it for a while, and if it wasn't for Tewart jewing up Kozmos they'd still have it. So don't try to tell me no other deck has a match-up against EDs like Monarchs.
What do you play? Some trash that dies to Monarchs, obviously. But what? Battlin Boxers, maybe? Tellars?
>>145481902
that doesn't matter in this context because we're talking about hitting decks and the fact that those decks extra deck restriction tools were limited helps my argument
>>145481895
Ehther going to 1 makes the interaction with Stormforth less obnoxious, Ehther with her disruption and setup is the actual problem
>Summon Ehther + Kuraz, blow up my s/t, LOL, easy +2 thanks to Edea and Prime
>Summon Ehther with Stormforth, lol, get your monster removed and those set s/t blown the hell up
>>145482096
>blow up my s/t
>Alongside destroying Edea and Prime
>Not responding to Ehther with your set S/Ts
>A Monarch player EVER blowing up someone else's cards with kuraz
Did this events actually happen, anon. It's okay if they didn't.
>>145482059
the fact that they had it is bullshit, their extra deck restriction tools are LIMITED now, that means that by extension a hit to Domain should and is coming.
I play Kozmo ;), but I think that making the deck less "DANK DESTROYER LOL" based would be for the best
>>145482242
yeah because Kuraz blowing up your opponent scales or set s/t in Main Phase 2 is SOOOOOOOOOOO unheard of, specially when Demise.dek is so popular right now
>>145481904
>>your deck needs to have 3k+ atk monsters
Boost over it.
3K ain't shit anymore.
>>your deck needs non-targeting non-destruction removal
What's wrong with your deck having good removal? I guess Madolche is tier 0 since Tiaramisu.
>>your deck needs to be able to otk through Dark Destroyer
Since when? I know Odd-eyes blasts through it for 9K damage but other decks get through Dark Destroyer and then grind out for the rest of the game.
>>your deck needs to be able to negate the floating of Dark Destroyer
Literally Solemn Strike.
I think the only deck with the ability to specifically negate floaters is Gravekeepers anyways.
>>145482376
I mean, letting your opponent go +2 is not something you're likely to do. You're better off popping your own shit for the draw power.
>>145482242
Nigga, Kuraz blowing up the traps you just set isn't unheard of. Nobody is retarded enough to not use the traps, the problem is when they don't give you a chance to use them.
>>145480670
Limit Kozmotown, Beatrice, and Pantheism. Literally all you need
