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>Patch 1.09 Info
http://www.jp.playstation.com/op/bloodborne/news/2015/12/update109.html
>Accessing the DLC
http://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/09/the-old-hunters.html
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>Co-Op & PvP
http://www.bloodbell.com/
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Beast Cutter.
Reminder that you should leave /bbg/ and kill yourself if you use a weapon other than Saif, Rakuyo and Saw Spear.
So what is the standard rune loadout for pvp?
>>145160774
1 health, 2 stamina
Reminder that Executioners need to be executed. HONOR TO CAINHURST:
Who /Crowsteel/ here?
>>145159970
Last thread wasn't even bump limit yet you faggot.
>>145161346
>>145161527
Could be worseYou could sit around and wait for Luci to make a thread with an overused webm and give him the (you)'s he craves
>Old blood heals any disease
>What if human's true form is a beast and the blood ends up converting you into one becouse it's 'healing' you
>still haven't got my platinum theme after three months
SONYYYYY PLEEEASSE
>>145163403
Check your spam, make sure your boxes are checked in account settings via ps4. Mine took 3 weeks for an NA account.
>>145163403
Plenty of EU players haven't got it even if they platinumed the game during the very first month after release
>>145163474
Yeah, I did all that. Even contacted support and they had me send them an image of the trophy. I got the platinum longer than three months ago but it's been that long since they told me they'd send the code.
>>145163403
I have it but it looks like shit.
>>145163591
I agree but it's better than the other BB one. Honestly, I don't like any of the themes I've seen. Currently using a Valkyria Chronicles one.
>>145163854
Nah, the Doll theme is best.
Should I play Bloodborne today, /bbg/?
Keep in mind I haven't played for a LOOONG time. I haven't even met Valtr yet or whaever his name is.
I don't even have the DLC yet.
>>145165539
Yes. Gotta return to the Dream sooner or later.
>>145165539
Considering that the DLC is better than the original game you should buy it
>>145162118
>Using untricked chikage
why
So uhh is From Software ever going to fix the boss bugs? Are any of the dlc bosses effected by this? Playing against Mergo's wet nurse last night and her double continued to fight throughout the entire fight even after the dark ended the first time. It looked so off because the way her double disappears looks jank in the light and was only meant to be used in the darkness so you couldn't see it literally pop out of existence.
>>145166287
Gotta shot that rifle.
>>145165764
>>145165717
The problem is, when I bought the DLC, my account was US. But I bought my games here in Asia. So the region differences gave me a waste of my money. Anyways, after my PS+ ends I'm thinking of making a new account Asian region or something like that. At leaast thats how I know it, Im not good at this kind of stuff
Any way on how to assure this never happens again?
Do you expect something From related on E3?
>>145166583
l think you can share games between accounts, try that(at least it was that way on ps3)
What do you guys think Ludwig looked like when he was human?
>farming abobobeast again
Man fuck this input reading fuckhole
>>145160774
2 hp 1 stam
2 hp 1 lake
3 hp
>>145160774
1 HP, 1 Stamina, +300 frenzy resist for Bloodletter.
SOmeone up for Orphan?
>>145167397
Hard to say but I always thought if him as an older version of what Valtr looks like without his helmet.
DaS3=DaS=BB>DeS>DaS2
>>145168638
Go to /dsg/, they care about shit like this more
>>145168813
you care or you wouldn't have replied fuccboi
>>145160891
This is only true if you either don't have enough stat points to get 50 Vit, or if you want >192 stamina for some reason.
>>145167840
5% Great Lake is always better than 5% Clockwise, so you should really never use 3x Clockwise.
>>145168902
>clinging to this meme mentality
Underage aren't allowed here
>>145169052
>he says while he memetexts
el em ayy oh
>>145169030
I have around 135 stamina with 2 stam runes. How much end do you have?
>>145161031
>mfw i password my small bell as an executioner and get pulled into vilebabby worlds as an oath invader as a fully twinked out invader in unseen vill and 2 shot all them all day long till the trash their oath or stop summoning
>>145168638
put das3 as worst and its an agreeable list tbqh
>>145169030
5% great lake is the exact same as 5% clockwise but a minimally worse because HP depletion is a flat number
>>145169761
>>145169721
depends on your attire and vitality
>lower loran chalice
>110000 bloodsouls for a Loran Silverbeast that's not even appreciably tougher than a regular one
That's silly.
>>145170210
trash mob bosses are the worst
pig, silverbeast, brainsucker, witchhat and possed beast should not be bosses
if silverbeast came in 2s or brainsucker id let em thru
Are there any decent physical waning gems to pick up outside of chalices?
>>145169932
No?
Not at all
A 5% increase in health is the same as a 5% increase in resistances because they're both increasing your effective health by the same amount
>>145169228
How much Endurance I have varies from build to build. Usually around 20.
Getting close to 135 stamina requires 31 Endurance with no runes (136 stamina), 21 Endurance with a 1 rune (134 stamina), 14 Endurance with 2 runes (135 stamina), or 9 Endurance with 3 runes (136 stamina). So let's say you remove a rune, then put take 7 points out of Vitality and put them into Endurance. You lose 1 point of stamina, but whatever.
When you take 7 points out of Vitality, you'll lose some number of hitpoints, but gain some number of hitpoints back from equipping that +10% rune. 47 Vitality happens to be the breakpoint where +10% health is worth 7 points of Vitality. I.E. if you have >47 Vitality, it's better to take 7 points out of Vitality and put them in Endurance, then replace your 15% stamina rune with a 10% health rune. If you have <47 Vitality, it's better to leave Vitality where it's at and keep the 15% rune.
Obviously this is something you account for when planning your build, not after you've made your build. Once you've finished leveling up, whether you want +%stamina or +%hp is a subjective valuation. There's no mathematically correct answer to which you choose. But when planning your build, there absolutely is, because +%stamina and +%hp are equatable by breaking them down into how many stat points they're worth. And +10% HP will usually be better than +15% stamina, assuming a BL of 100 to 120, which is typical for PvP.
>>145170438
>decent gems
>outside of chalices
Nope enjoy your shitty copy-pasted dungeons.
You ready for the fc today?
>>145170584
the dlc has decent ones :^)
>>145170541
no
50vitality with dollset attire, better to use hp rune
50 vitality with executioners attire, better to use a 5% all
>>145170595
Yea.
>>145170584
Alright how about just ANY waning physical gem outside of chalices? Also there is an 18% radial outside of chalices but I don't remember where atm. I think it's in Unseen Village.
>>145169721
That's not true. +5% HP = 105% EHP compared to without the rune. -5% damage taken = 100 * (1/0.95) = 105.26% EHP compared to without the rune. It's marginally better.
I can't think of any meaningful damage that ignores damage reductions and isn't percentage based. Chikage life drain is % based, fall damage is % based, bloodtapping is % based. Life drain from gems it the only thing I can think of, but you should never, ever use it.
>>145169932
It depends on neither of those things. +5% health will always give you +5% EHP, regardless of damage reductions or current life. -5% multiplicative damage taken will always give you +5.26% EHP to anything that respects damage reduction.
>>145170862
>It depends on neither of those things. +5% health will always give you +5% EHP, regardless of damage reductions or current life. -5% multiplicative damage taken will always give you +5.26% EHP to anything that respects damage reduction.
false
>>145170787
This isn't how it works. You either don't know how Damage Reduction works, or don't understand percentages, or something, but without knowing exactly where your hang up is all, I can tell you is that the only things that affects the relative values of +% health vs. +%damage reduction are:
Healing that isn't based on a % of your max life (e.g. Choir Bell, health regen gems).
Damage that ignores damage reduction AND isn't based on a % of your max life (e.g. life drain gems).
>>145170676
semi-decent ones*
for PvE*
>>145171164
>This isn't how it works
yes it is
sorry chumpo
stamp your feet all you like
>>145171235
>yes it is
Okay.
>64 posts
>21 posters
god you fags are so sad. why dont you just let the ded game die with some dignity?
>>145171746
make a level 40-60 and see how fast you get summoned or invade everywhere in the game (including dlc) and tell me the game is dead, i dare you
>Tfw no more patches to fix boss fight glitches.
Thanks for absolutely ruining some of these bosses, From Software.
>>145171746
>so bored in /dsg/ that he has to shitpost in other generals
just go play your rehash mate
>>145170438
Farm Droplets from the Frenzy Dolls in Mensis then in the DLC.
>>145172060
what do you mean? :O
>>145172061
I own BB and have platinum'd it you faggot. Can post a timestamp of PS4 if you really want me to.
>>145172085
I was hoping for my early game waning. I rushed the Wheel but have nothing to put into its waning slot.
>>145172251
looks like owning superior game doesn't stop retards from acting like retards :^)
>>145172353
brains in nightmare fronteir droplets
>>145172353
If you are still extremely early in the game it doesn't even matter.
>>145172161
Mergo's wetnurse. Don't even know about chalice dungeon bosses yet because I need to do hunter's nightmare first.
See >>145166376
This happened to me both times on my two attempts and also when I was helping someone three other times. The last patch fucked with some things.
Also some bosses glitch the fuck out sometimes when you stunlock them enough. When I was doing Amelia I damaged her to the the point where she was stuck in a mid attack animation but the attack didn't come out. She was in a freeze frame for like 20 seconds before it went back to normal.
>>145172508
>Mergo's wetnurse
whats the bug?
>>145172508
I've been playing this game since late june and I've never had a boss glitch like that.
>>145172508
nvm i read the whole thing
ummm never happens to me, odd
>>145172508
Oh and also Rom, the Vacuous Spider. The audio is fucked. Both the music and the sound effects for that boss fight. In the case with the music, it's that sometimes it doesn't transition to the second phase when it's supposed to. So when the music is supposed to rev up for Rom's actual meteors, AoE and melee stuff, the music is still stuck in the ambient first phase. As for the sound effects it's fucking crucial to be able to hear the meteors attack start, but if the sound effects have bugged out and are not working, you're concentrating on the little spiders then getting wrecked by meteors you didn't know were coming. Same thing with her AoE attack, the sound effects just don't come out for it.
>>145172797
yeah, redownload the game or something, this never happens to me
>>145172648
I know a lot of people here are going to say they don't have these issues. But if it's bad enough for it to happen to me plus all the people I was helping three consecutive times, maybe it's an actual problem? I've been playing since release, and none of these things occured UNTIL patch 1.09.
im banned from v, but anyhow
>its up
>>145173029
I'll try. I'm already done with those bosses though, so if the problem is persistent there's no way to tell until ng+.
Last thread's wordcloud.
>>145173227
epic
>>145173768
JUST
>>145173768
>lucifer forbidden
I don't think so.
>>145173768
>Fishing God-King Eileen
>>145173768
>find fucking ass actually tonitrus
>>145170789
Why is fauxsefka so lewd?
>>145171460
Rom a cute
A
C
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T
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>>145174409
She's just THAT Good at fishing
So it was Willem who made Rom? Why did he make that thing exactly?
>>145176107
She caught Kos. How else was she supposed to make a career out of killing hunters?
>>145162118
nice dodging m8
>Maria best
it's true!
>>145173768
>>145176441
An attempt to communicate to Great Ones? Through Rom, maybe great ones would pay attention to the desires of men? It seems unlikely that they would care about humans without there being sort of intermediary. Rom did have contact with Ebrietas.
>>145163245There's a reason Fauxsefka, who turns humans into kin, has so much Numbing Mist lying around.[/spoiler[
>>145176441
Kos turned Rom into a spider, that much Micolash implies. She was probably a 10/10 waifu beforehand.
>>145177496
Or at least they used Kos as a catalyst to do so.
Did you guys ever notice that there's a road between two tunnel next to Hemwick Charnel Lane?
>>145177178
>you died
>to maria
I don't get it.
>>145173768
>farming attack gems shit get chalice already
>>145173768
>evidence that big
did we really make a full regression to people lorefagging without supporting their ideas?
>>145177807
It seems to skirt around Hemwick and leads nto the Orphanage/Cathedral Ward
>>145176441
No.
We know Ebrietas is a unique being and lives under the Grand Cathedral, and was found in Isz in the past. We know there's one true Amygdala based on Patches dialogue, that's the boss we fight with no tentacles out the face, and many imitations of that one being who have tentacles out the face. Yet we fight both of these bosses in the Chalice Dungeons. When we fight Queen Yharnam she's still pregnant with Mergo, but the Yharnam we meet outside of the CDs is not pregnant and Mergo is already born. Therefore the Chalice Dungeons we visit are a depiction of the past, most likely a Nightmare Realm.
As well as Ebrietas and Amygdala, we find Rom in them.
>>145176441
No, Rom comes from the labyrinths
>>145178046
You just don't understand.
There's no bloody rocks in the research hall.
>>145177843
>>145177843
>not wanting Maria to take your heart
>>145178348
>crawling in my skin playing softly in the background
I'm kinda stuck deciding whether I want to make a pure arcane build, one without any stat investments beyond vit/arcane. Or an arcane hybrid focusing on the Wheel/Hmls
>>145178329
huh
>>145178931
Do both. With a 25/50 StrArc you've got Wheel and HMLS, as well as a much wider group of weapons for elemental-ing. 99 Arc doesn't have the same variety, but is still fun as fuck in its own right.
does anyone know what that sucking and white burst shit those bag guys do does to you
>>145180408
pulls you closer
>Patches' ancient, shrouded church looks like an eye looking upwards from the Amygdala's perspective.
The fucking details in this game
>>145176441
He was an Old man and he wanted something to fuck that wouldn't keep whining and complaining at him afterwards.
Can't blame him though
Rom a cute
>>145180472
there has to be more to that right?
>>145180821
no. Just pulls you close and staggers you. In the main game it's never a problem. But when you get to the chalice dungeons they're almost always in a room filled with other enemies and in the dark where you can't see them. So if they get you staggered then you get fucked by other enemies.
>>145161346
I have a character dedicated to the Crowsteel cosplay. He's breddy fun.
>>145179323
Oh I'm going to do both. Just not sure what I'll do first. I'm planning on using the kos parasite on the pure arcane build and will likely skip it for the hybrid. I like my builds to have little crossover, so for the hybrid str/arcane I'm only going to 25 str, as I've already got a 50 str build that makes use of the cannon/gatling gun.
Maybe I'll just flip a coin.
>>145181107
>in Yahahahargul for the first time
>trigger both a bagman and some dogs
>he does the mana pull
>stumble forward and get rekt by dogs
chances of a new dlc surprise this e3?
>>145181521
a sequel is more likely tbqh
>>145181707
this e3
bloodborne had like a 3 year dev cycle.
>>145181521
Isn't that the rune with the missing 3rd tier? Surely it has to be unimplemented rather than not having been discovered yet.
>>145181847
>Surely it has to be unimplemented
we need to tweet the guide makers...
>>145180821
It can also destroy furniture.
>>145181790
still possible for this e3. DS3 had only a 2 year cycle and no Japan Studio support
anyone up for martyr logarius?
>>145181521
I would love that to happen, but I severely doubt it. Like, I have no hopes for it whatsoever.
l just hitted the horse that leads to cainhust and it dissapeared, how fucked l am?
AH THE COSMOS OF COURSE
>>145181790
A follow-up to BB would be more like an Armored Core expansion than anything else. If anything was being worked on they'd definitely have something to show by now.
>>145182896
I believe you can just reload and come back.
AWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo
>>145182934
>>145183128
>this game even makes falling out of bounds look cool
how can souls ever hope to compete
>>145182934
impressive
>>145182934
Another Yahar'cuck btfo
>>145183193
>>145183172
Weird thing is I woke up in the Hunters Dream instead of at the Frontier lamp
Does amygdalan arm scale with the same str scale on both transformed states?
>>145183621
Yes, both form scale primarily with str.
It also has arc scaling, but it's very, very low.
>>145183621
It's like a Strength Burial Blade so it should.
LOOK WHERE MY BLOOD ECHOES SPAWNED
Relatively new to Bloodborne, only have 2 characters (Str+Arc Wheel build and Bloodtinge Chikage build), now started a pure arc build where I want to try the Kos Parasite. My question is, what gems would be best for it? Do I want nourishing or pure arcane ones?
http://www.siliconera.com/2016/06/11/new-low-15-bloodborne-dawn-best-buy-sale/
>>145184145
Pure Arc
where the fuck is the guy that said that this game is still alive? l've been waiting like 15 fucking minutes to be summoned for vicar amelia as a level 50 and l did not even get a single summon
>>145184289
>vicar Amelia
>as a level 50
You should be max bl.20 for her.
>>145184289
playing the game and getting lots of co-op in areas at a non-retarded level
>>145184184
Neat, but pretty redundant posting it here since we already have it
>>145184289
Who's gonna be fighting Amelia at that level m8
>>145184386
According to the wiki l should be able to be summoned on a 20-80 range so it should be perfectly fine
Does the short root chalice ignore the co-op level range? Sometimes I'm getting stuck into pthumeru depth 1.
>>145184472
You'd be surprised. 1. I have seen multiple people talking about playing their friend's copy. 2. People also lurk threads about games they are interested in but haven't purchased yet.
>>145184536
Then try to get summoned at lvl 80 for Amelia.. The wiki says it should work ;^)
>>145184658
I suppose, even if it gets one person into it, it did its job.
>>145184626
Some people start real late in the game to do dungeons.
>>145184536
>fextra calculator gives nice round numbers
o I am laffin
>>145184626
That's perfectly normal since people like to start chalices once they're done with the main game and bitch about how boring and easy they are, why people would be looking for co-op at that point is beyond me tho
>>145184202
thank you
This is actual bullshit
>>145184660
Not trying to be rude but are you retarded or is this a bait?
You calculate the summoning range by your level and not the other way around, here, l will show you some examples so that you may understand:
>At level 50 you can be summoned by 20-80
>At level 51 you can be summoned by 21-81
>At level 80 you can be summoned by 44-116
Ofc you wont be summoned at level 80, what does this have to do with my post? l'm level 50 and l can be summoned on a 20-80 bl range, there 'should' be plenty of 20-30 bl people fighting amelia
>>145184980
if you exit, reload it might migrate back to the floor. Maybe.
Get Doll it eat it, she's used to taking one for the team.
>>145184536
>50-27% of 50 = 20
yeah I would just do the calculation yourself instead of relying on the wiki calculator
Fc in Loran today?
Can someone help me to kill the gatling gun guy from the old hunters dlc?
Hrm. Is putting a fire gem on Ludwig's so it scales with my 40 Arcane worth it?
>>145186352
Maybe
>>145186302
Password? Give me a few minutes to boot up
>>145186704
password:bbg , l'll wait you at the lamp before ludwig
>>145185060
>At level 50 you can be summoned by 20-80
i belive its 25 to mid 80s tbH
but you can summon level 20s to 80s yes
>>145186748
level?
>>145186352
If you haven't killed Rom and have Ludwig's above +6, do it. If you haven't, get a saw spear and slap it on that.
>returning to Bloodborne
>realise I have an NG+8 character
>go to Ludwig's
>summon two co-operators
>watch one get completely destroyed by the first hit
>watch the other one try to poke Ludwig, see the amount of damage he does, and peace out with the silencing blank
>get a message from the second dude, consisting only of "WHY"
I'm tempted to keep doing this.
>>145187315
level?
Im 50 ive been wanting to practice on a bigwig
>>145187315
I will never understand people who silencing blank out of stuff like that. Like it's less than a minute walk back with no enemies, what is there to lose
>>145187252
Doesn't Saw Spear have inferior scaling? Why would I use that instead?
>>145187615
moveset, stamina usage
>>145187737
Oooh, righty. I'll look into that, then!
>>145187386
I have a NG++ Orphan that needs to be killed. Interested?
>>145187953
thats one boss ill never do offhost again lmfao
>>145186704
Thanks for the help mate, that was bloody
>>145187615
The serrated bonus + fire is invaluable for fucking up beasts but if you're liking the LHB then go ahead and keep with it.
>>145187615
It'll hit harder than Ludwig's one-handed sword due to better multipliers and the serration bonus against beasts.
>>145188158
i dont think serrated translates to fire does it?
>>145188158
Doesn't Arc scaling remove physical damage though?
>>145188248
It's 20% damage extra against beasts due to the weapons "teeth" ripping through the flesh instead of slicing, making wounds harder to heal. Church pick has it too but it doesn't look like its serrated for some reason.
>>145187386
129, sadly.
>>145188384
Serrated isn't a type of damage but a damage modifier
>>145188248
>>145188384
No, serrated is a bonus attack damage rather than a type such as thurst.
>>145188596
>>145188602
yes but doesnt it only apply to physical?
>>145188703
It also works with arcane.
>>145188703
It's damage in general, not physical. It operates like the atk vs beast gems.
>>145188703
Serrated/righteous will remain regardless of your weapon being elemental.
Is there a way to easily tell what NG you're on with a given character? I've been away for ages and only now picking it up again, and I have no idea where any of my chars are at.
>>145189321
If you didn't sell your Mensis Cages, count how many you have.
>>145189321
check your number of mensis cages
>>145189429
>>145189419
Damn my desire for an uncluttered inventory.
Best gem setup/stat spread for two handed moonlight greatsword?
>>145189637
25/50 Str/Arc full nourishing gems
Gah, what's the best range to fight Amygdala at? I can kill the thing in ten hits to the head, the problem is not getting swatted with my teeny 22 VIT.
>>145189637
Full nourishing, 50 arc, at least 20/25 str, 20/25 skill.
Can anyone help me to kill martyr logarius?
>>145189762
>I can kill the thing in ten hits to the head
then just do it. Don't rely on VIT, Amygdala is very easily avoidable
>>145189776
Sure, set a password
I hope none of you is the sissy wheelfaggot called alpha.
You are wasting my time, fuckboi.
>>145189921
bbg, l'll wait at the first lamp of cainhust
>>145189715
>>145189764
Thanks guys.
Am I correct in assuming the best setup for 1 handed moonlight sword is quality with 27% phys gems?
>>145190119
Ringing now
>>145189895
Bullshit he's easily avoidable, his attacks cover half the arena.
This was easier with a whip.
>>145190234
Yeah, it also works for the two handed form since even then the physical attacks get most of their scaling from str and skill.
The beams will be crap though.
>>145190234
That or 50/25 Str/Skl with a heavy abyssal & 2 27.2% phys
>>145190379
Addendum, beat it. Should I mess with Ailing Loran after Pthmeru?
>>145190052
Alpha here, don't ever post here about me or my martyr's wheel ever again.
>>145190425
>>145190517
So if I don't care about the beams, quality build can use both forms just fine and the damage difference is negligible?Sorry for so many questions, I want to use the moonlight sword but I'm dumb when it comes to scaling and build optimizing
>>145190729
As soon as you can
>>145190894
Yes, if you just want to smash things with the sword you can go quality + phys gems (arc is better though).
Just don't hit R2 or L2 in the two handed mode.
>>145190894
Yeah if you don't care about the beams then a 50str/25skl with enough Arc to wield it is ideal.
>>145190782
Marseille here. 3-0. Don't ever invade me or my world ever again.
>>145190898
Holy kek I'm bad, the first Undead Giant beat me.
>>145191469
Happy accident
>>145191540
Does every layer follow this formula? Kill enemy, hit switch, fight boss? I like it, it's carthartic.
>>145191647
Yes, that's how chalice dungeons are.
It's most fun when you do it in the randomized ones.
>>145191097
>>145191037
Thank you for the information anons.
>>145189762
>>145162118
how do you upload webms from the ps4?
>>145193080
You make a video, save in in your pc and convert it.
>>145193245
what program do you use to cut the audio? lt wont let me upload anything with audio
>>145193370
Google "webm for retards"
So, BLT build I'm going to put fifty into blt and vit should I put the rest into str or skill?
>>145193460
bruh
>>145193685
1/2
>>145193737
?
>>145193780
2/2
>>145193737
it actually is called that. there's a webms for bakas version as well
>>145193989
>>145193780
The church cannon is pretty shit, dude.
Someone help me with isz ebrietas? Pass will be anus
>>145194651
Don't argue with the tripfag, now you brought his autism upon us.
>>145194826
Omw
>>145194651
Nah, it's fun and better than the regular cannon. It's especially good as a finisher.
It can also make your opponents play far more conservatively if you BMA it and leave it that way.
How is this even possible?
Does the logarius wheel loose str scaling when transformed?
>>145195059
You know how you can farm layer 1 watchers for gems? Just get a friend to help and be in the confederates. It you are both good, you can get lots of vermin extremely quickly with password summons.
>>145195505
No, but the scaling becomes something like 60% arcane, even higher with the buff.
Even if you want to incorporate the wheel in your arc build at least 25 str is still recommended.
>>145195505
-str
+arc
not sure though
>>145195059
you used to be able to savescum, but it's totally possible to have a number like that by now
>>145195059
I wonder what happened to the Praise the Dark dude.
>>145195505
From the wiki:
The AR's of this weapon changes dramatically in the transformed state.
The physical AR is reduced to 70% while the arcane AR is amplified by a factor of 4 (not including any flat AR values added by the Odd Arcane gems effect).
For example, if you have 400 physical AR and 100 arcane AR from nourishing gems, you'll have 280 physical AR and 400 arcane AR when you transform it.
Alright so, I'm thinking I might get Ludwig's, make it fire so it scales off Arcane, but you all suggested the Saw Spear. Thing is, it has worse scaling. Will my damage output wind up roughly equal, factoring in the serration bonus against beasts? I really only want a second weapon because the Tonitrus is a fragile thing.
>>145196135
He fell to number 2 last I checked.
>>145196670
Make the Ludwig arcane when you get the gems for it. You already have the stats for it anyway iirc.
>>145196670
The scaling will balance out in the end with +arcane scaling gems. Tbh, just use whatever you like more.
