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PUT THE PZ V/VI ON SALE NOW EDITION.

Clans:
EU - NOFUN
http://eu.wargaming.net/clans/500011239/
NA - NAFUN
http://na.wargaming.net/clans/1000022908/

>where do I look up tank info:
tanks.gg

>How do I get platoons:
Join NOFUN or NAFUN
Ask in the /vg/ channel
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Wew
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>>143586579
>tfw no V/IV

Mistakes were made
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>>143586984
Its not been on sale for years and it is now the perfect tier 5 ramming machine. It was shit in tier 6 but now its radically more effective.
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>>143586905
>incredibly lucky shot
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>>143586905
I wish WoT had better damage models. I love those damage indentations from bounced shots you see in real life pictures, it puts the whole, "Huge ass hunk of metal slinging metal at another huge as hunk of metal" into perspective. So much of WoT's effects in sound and animations makes it seem like you're playing with toys.
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Anon-sama tonight you w-would you d-d-drive me?
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>>143587467
I really wish there were more customization options, like adding damage marks, logs/sandbags, etc. on your tanks, just so it isn't like every tank is copy pasted with no variations.
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>>143587650
Sandbags Consumable.
>adds 100 armour to the lower half of a tank when stationary for more than 10 seconds.
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>>143586579
what server is it on sale on?
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>>143586579
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>>143587334
>shot goes right through the mantlet in the weakest spot of it, where the coax has to poke through the mantlet
It is pretty lucky
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>Getting good in WoT only results in getting shit on by arty if you doing clan stuff
>You're getting punished for improving

Now this is soviet feeling.
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>>143587834
"Presently this vehicle is only available for purchase on the RU server." From the wiki page

Its currently a case of only people who preorded that game and russians have it.
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>>143587817
Should add early ERA, completely blocks HEAT shells ))))))
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>>143567709
>>143567540
Whats VGL, and why does that guy have an O-I for a head?
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>>143587334
>tiger backed up into house, got stuck, and was abandoned
Definitely not a lucky shot, best Tiger crew of the war :^)
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>>143587861
Pershing mantlet was only 100mm anyway
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>>143588219
Its the 4cc video game league made up of diffrent vg generals. And he has the oi head cause his name is anime heavies.
Fucking filter thinks this is spam.
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>>143587123
It has never been on sale it's a tank reward for beta pre order package
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>>143588335
kawaii as fuck, post the maus
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>>143588612
See>>143587912
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>a qt Israeli will never teach you how to operate a tank
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>>143588985
I dont have it and I don't think they should sell it, let people have their unique tanks.
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>>143561652
dat 50mm side armor though
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get inside the M3 Grant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pTTvn2NATg
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I kind wish wargaming let you choose where to put the writings and emblems on your tanks
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>>143589135
I get where you are coming from but I do want it. They should just do a flash sale for a day or so. And by that I don't mean put it on sale every 3 months like they do with the B2 polluting tier 4 with stat padder platoons.

Although I would rather they fixed existing premiums like making the MBP weight 4 tonnes less that it currently does and make hte Pz IV S's side skirts work agianst HE.
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>>143589440
"Good Fuck" is my favourite.
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>>143589440
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Reminder that tourneyfags have training at 7 pm EST, which is about an hour from now.
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>>143589801
>training

what
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Its been over a year since ive played this game and im just dropping by to remind you this game is garbage.
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>>143589440
I agree
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>>143589912
because this tournament is srs bsns and we need to git gud
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>>143590004
NIMBLE
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>>143586905
One thing i don't understand is why the engineers didn't add at least a bit of slope on the tiger's armor, when they already faced huge problems with penetrating T34's and other sloped armors with their shitty tanks earlier in the war. You already have a huge, overengineered piece of crap, could at least try to make it fucking work. Or did they expect the allies to never improve their guns ever again? They had to create a new fucking tank to figure out they actually needed a sloped hull. No wonder those idiots lost the war.
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>>143589976
>imply your not mad after a losing streak and its all the games fault so you have come her to insult it.
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>>143588480
ah, so its kinda like the one where all the different 4chan boards compete
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>>143590254
Keep telling yourself that to justify wasting your life on this awful game
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>>143590209
What consumable does this?
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>>143590408
ecstasy and molly
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>>143590383
There are aspects that suck but I still enjoy it as a whole.
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I am going to reroll as a good goy, and start with a tier 8 premium. Which should I get to induce maximum pubbie rage? Money is not an object.
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>>143590720
IS-6
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The Foch does it for free
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>>143590720
just get an sta-2

Padder's wet dream and a 275 heat pen prem round
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I hope whoever came up with the FV4202's implementation for this game gets run over by a truck.

I have no idea what this shit tank is even doing in the same tier as an is-3.
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>>143591030
>275 against tier 10s constantly because bt12 is gone
No thanks senpai. Does it even make credits when spamming HEAT?
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>>143590829
>that resolution
>that screen stretching
>that everything
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>>143590238
The Tiger was in it's final stages of design when Germans fought against T-34's. When you need to make a new hull it's better to just make an entirely new tank to throw in all the other minor improvements you've thought of.
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>>143590601
Isn't molly slang for xtc/mdma
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>>143590829
Did you say for free?
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>>143591192
With premium most of the time goy ))))))))))
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>>143590238
Brits were worse.
>Comet
>Panthers and T-34s driving around
>"ey m8 lets make it flat"
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>>143591482
Don't worry, they learned for the Centurion I and its sloped armour constantly prevents enemy penetrations. From tier 5 scouts.
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>First game in the Chieftain/T95
>Get spotted at the one minute mark
>Oneshot by artillery

Amazing. I have no idea why I am even playing this any more.
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>>143590640
Keep telling yourself that
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>>143590238
more slope = less internal space
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>currently have 174,819 credits
>need to grind over 16 million to get credits and equipment for tanks I have unlocked
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>>143591234
Jealousy; the post.
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>>143591859
That's why manlets are generally scouted out to operate Soviet tanks
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>>143591824
You can replace Chieftain/T95 with any tank.
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>>143591824
>a bottom tier scout can be rewarded with 1500+ spotting damage on a top tier and earn a fuck load of xp and credits just because he drove forward
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>>143591978
>tfw you unfuck your economy
>11mil with tons of spare equipment
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/wotg/, the lowe is on sale, get it while you can!
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>>143592134
Nah, campaign players have extra salt because they endured the fame point autism for a yet another 'rare' pixel tank many will play a dozen times tops.
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>Doing shit
>Team finally starts winning
>Have no health left
>All that is left is arty and a Tiger on the other team, Tiger must be AFK because no one has spotted him
>Pull up to base with no health
>Tiger is AFK
>Shoot him
>He comes back and kills me
>mfw
Was looking for a reason to finally uninstall this shit game, I think I finally found it. I can't deal with it anymore, the grinds, the pants-on-head retarded teammates, the bullshit RNG. I'm free, I'm finally free.
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>>143592302
Ah, the shop during slot sales.

>>143592293
tfw 113 tanks, all with crews (excluding premiums) and equipment and nothing more you ever need to grind.
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>it's a "but why me" arty episode
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>>143592516
>Tfw spent 100 usd on 10mil
>never grinding again
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>36 prem tanks
>33 regular tanks
who /good goy/ here?
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>>143592383
See you in a month
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>>143591978
I have to grind 11 million to take advantage of the refund thing properly. About 1.5 mil is for my tankfu that I sold in a fit of retard rage and immediately regretted so badly.

>>143592383
>not accounting for afk players
It's a common thing to watch out for if you play a flanky tank and actually manage to sneak into bases often enough.
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>>143592696
>not getting the superior 12,5m package
lmao
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>>143592383
>having a good game
>hilariously get killed by someone that was afk all game
>god damnit I quit this stupid game!
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>>143593114
Didnt see it, send link
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>>143592325
>implying people won't play a literally free money maker
maybe top goyim who already have 10 tier 8 prems
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>>143591978
>not having 6 t10s unlocked and multiple t9s and no credits to buy any of them.
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>>143593143
Worse, it's likely a bot that was programmed to turn and shoot at any enemy withing a certain proximity. It's fun when you identify one of those and just snipe them from outside the bot activation range.
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>>143593336
>not rageselling your type 59
a sad day
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>>143593478
Oh fuck I would consider hanging myself if that happened.
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>>143593191
It's not always on sale but it's there atleast every other month
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>>143591482
Comet was a stop gap tank until the centurion came into service
It was a direct upgrade on the Cromwell with a rebored 17pdr with smaller breech block... What do you expect
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>>143593668
Tiger was the same, Germans just wanted a 88mm armed tank ASAP.
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>>143593618
I ragesold a tier 8 prem once, though I ticketed it back after cooling down later in the week.
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>>143593956
Ticketed?

As in they gave it back if you still had the currency you sold it for?

Is this available for anything?
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>>143594128
yep, you can ticket back prems within a certain time limit and event tanks anytime, got a tetrarch back 2 years after i sold it this way
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>>143594128
you can send a ticket to support to get back a premium tank that you sold, but you need to have the credits available

on EU you only have 2 months or so to do it
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>>143594128
4 times a year, you can get back as many tanks as you want in one ticket, provided you've played the tank at least once. You need to pay the sell price for the tank in silver, which I think may include equipment that was unmounted, and premiums you need to pay silver cost of the gold which makes buying back t8 premiums brutal. Still saves a butt load of silver at the end of the day.
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>>143594425
>NA Only
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>>143595105
Wish you were BENIS now huh?
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>>143595510
>tomato clan on a dead server
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>>143595664
Im better than you
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>>143595664
your mom is a tomato
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Opinions and tips for Jap Tiger.
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>>143596392
Good.
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tournament in an hour and a half
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>>143596534
Is training happening?
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>>143596670
In half an hour
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>>143596670
if people decide to get on
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anyone who's part of the AWOOvement, get ingame and in the TS (for all that matters kek). Our first match is up against some equally good spics.

Also, if you're part of the other tourney team or just have some 7s, we could use you for practice.
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>>143596707
>>143596719
Which?
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>>143596670
Everyone on the Shekeling team is in game
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>>143597150
anyone who wants to practice get in the NOFUN (benis) TS
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first game in my fv215b and it is comfy. and its not a lie this thing has a laser pointer for a gun
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>>143597584
>keeping elited tonks
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>>143598031
>not keeping the conqueror
ISHYGDDT
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>>143598031
>selling comfy tanks
the only tank i dont play in that pic is the fv304 unless both my platoon mates have it.
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Just found this in my images folder today.

kek
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>>143598451
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>>143598451
>bay area
who knew liberal shit holes were high theft areas.
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>>143598451
Free to play, not free to steal.
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russian tanks do this too often
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>>143598901
>posted from my spaceship
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>>143599068
the reticle is just as out of place as the in-game one

if you want a regular optic-themed crosshair play war thunder
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>watching a stream
>krill and sawse in enemy
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>>143600538
who won
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>>143601656
sawse and krill got carried by an alone arty in the end
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>team 1 & 2 all stars battling it out in team training preparing for tourney
>scrub team 3 has 2 players offline and another possibly afk

top wew :^(
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>>143601958
>get shot by some nigger grille through the turret that ammoracks you from 1500hp
sure got carried :)
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>>143602249
yes, you did
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>>143599780
What do war thunder's crosshairs look like?
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>>143602210
team 1 is btfo'ing team 2 to be honest
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>>143602608
Both teams at this point are pretty even, i think the score is 2-2? 3-2? Something like that
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>>143602709
the light is the cornerstone the strategy so far
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does the game randomly flash a black screen for anyone else since the patch? i have no mods installed.
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>>143602603
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>>143602885
sounds like your gpu is going
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>>143602909
>visible bushes
scrub

Also, what went wrong with wtg?
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>>143603058
Gaijin being fucking retarded.
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>>143602909
Well man if that's what real life ones look like then y'know let's just go and get some real tanks in real life
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>benis ts
>active
pick 2?
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>>143602885
yeah, my game also freezes sometimes when i switch between tanks after I died and going back to garage at the end of battle
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>>143602949
i hope not
>>143603273
when it happens i have to alt tab out and the back into the game to do anything.
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>>143603058
gaijin banning anyone who complains about cheating, even though cheating is running rampant in game
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>>143602457
I think your definition of carry differs from that of others then
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>>143604008
wtg was namefag shitposting long before that
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>>143604097
winning regardless of how poorly you do is being carried
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>this is our best team tonight
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>>143604178
Except the arti didn't do shit either, so he didn't carry.
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>>143604674
The team collectively carried your ass
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>>143604841
They sure did :)
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Is this a rare sight of someone arguing with sawse in the thread
Absolute madman, how can they get away with this
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Sorry BENIS C team, my internet is going down every 2-3 minutes. Hope things are going well. I'm going to have a much better connection for tomorrow's tier 8 tourney.
t. anita
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>>143605249
You're a fucking Jew
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>>143605249
I was almost ready to scrub the other 3 teams cause shitters don't join :^)

DC joined just in time to save the opportunity to tank some more
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>>143606709
Is that the BT-7 with the 142?
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>>143606709
Thats not how you fix steering
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>>143606709
>>143607128
This from the movie I take it? Is there a subbed version out yet?
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>>143607738
Should be finished by this weekend.

t. someone who is on the Girls und Panzer thread
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>>143607951
Fuck yeah, I'm hyped for it. Thanks bud.
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>>143608065
>hyped
>from these webms
I'm more disgusted, but i'll watch it anyways, because tanks.
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>>143608315
I'll take what I can get when it comes to tanks and the film industry.
>inb4 Fury
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I love this thing

feels gud to farm some damage
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>>143608440
Hey man, Fury was bullshit at all levels at the end, and had a few questionable moments in other fights, but all in all at least it was good.
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>>143608572
>Fury
>good in any way
yeah no
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>>143608572
The ending alone spoiled the entire movie for me. The only redeemable part was the Tiger sniping Peterson.
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>be benis/pzmoe team
>lose to 3 reds and an orange that's 2 points above red
would have been a good day without that
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>tfw for the first time in forever, PZMOE does SH, but you don't get a spot

feels really bad man
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>>143609461
How is PZMOE even alive at this point? Do they have some mega autists that keep playing or what?
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>>143609387
We were wondering what happened there. Some meme strat? Team B got 3rd, some unicunt team went undefeated so 1st was never an option in our bracket.
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>>143609387
At least we learned from our mistakes from that game.
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>IS-3 is balanced ))))))))))))))))))))))))
>T-54 lt is balanced )))))))))))))))))))))

What the fuck is wrong with the people making this game?
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>>143609387
>be ragtag missfit team 3
>lose to the unicum teams
>manage to draw out hungry hungry bulldogs team when we memed heavy loadout

I'm going to enjoy that 600 gold
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>>143606845
BT-42, armed with 114mm howitzer
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>>143609631
They're russian
they don't want to balance the game unless something is so blatantly overpowered that even the tomatoes start noticing it's good
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>>143609631
>actually considered nerfing T-54LW in the test server
>Instantly overruled, nerfs reverted
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>>143609037
>>143608572
Wasnt Fury basically just about Tigers shooting shermans? I never saw it, but just heard crap from it
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>>143609602
It isn't. That's why doing SH is a big deal.
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So how do you not suck in the covenanter?
somehow I have gotten ten straight losses so I must be so bad that I am dragging every single teammate down
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>>143609631
tank is fine

you just need of learning game, you homosex )))
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>>143610021
Use the stock gun, bring at least a dozen APCR shells. Snipe early on, don't hard flank until later and you know it's clear.
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>>143609624
Oberst and Jon advanced too far ahead, and did it when Jet wasn't ready to help them out if they got into some shit. Norin was behind the enemy, but was also unable to help, so oberst and jon got rushed and surrounded. By the time Jet was able to help, it was too late, and also went down. It didnt help that Jon missed a shot and oberst somehow bounced because RNG.
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>>143610021
You're a Medium with the Light's "Concealed on the Move" mechanic

abuse it
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>>143609980
Fury is a 2014 American-British war film written and directed by David Ayer. The film stars Brad Pitt, Shia LaBeouf, Logan Lerman, Michael Peña, and Jon Bernthal. The film portrays US tank crews in Nazi Germany during the final days of World War II. Ayer was influenced by the service of veterans in his family and by reading books, such as Belton Y. Cooper's Death Traps, about American armored warfare in World War II. Ayer aimed for a greater degree of realism in the film than in other World War II dramas


:^)))))))))))
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>>143610395
>Ayer aimed for a greater degree of realism in the film than in other World War II dramas
lmao
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>>143610395
>Belton Y. Cooper's Death Traps

into the trash it goes
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>>143610459
>>143610506
I liked it

Especially when arty shell hit the house. Still op in movies
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>>143609624
>some unicunt team went undefeated so 1st was never an option in our bracket.
Rip. A team still got first, so we got our 1500 gold.
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>>143610690
Good job, good luck tomorrow. Are you guys doing all the top tier options, or did you drop the tier Xs?
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>Some KV-2 blocks me and then TKs me

I'm sure he'll learn now that his name turned blue.
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>>143610658
>small town/village
>artillery fires 3 shells
>happens to hit exactly the one house relevant to the plot
10/10 drama
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>>143610849
Don't worry, the 2000 credit compensation surely makes up for that ))))
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>>143610816
Idk but my bc is set and only 6 i got is dicker
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>>143610158
>It didnt help that Jon missed a shot and oberst somehow bounced because RNG.
These were actually the biggest things, they may seem like small errors but that would have been over a thousand HP off of the enemy team with those two combined shots
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>>143611140
>They automate their emails too
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>>143610816
Our group unfortunately doesnt have enough people with 10s, so we can't do it. Other than that we are set, good luck with your group.
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>>143611231
Its actually worse, they were on the same tank. that tank lived through to the end of the game.
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>>143611535
Jon's 15cm shot probably would have killed him if it had hit, and when he was dead we wouldn't have been surrounded anymore, all the enemies were on the other side. Probably could have hunkered down and fought it out
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>>143611395
Who is in your group

Also is 13 90 a good pick for t8 or should i go with a prem med?
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>>143611792
Norin, Khalron, Jet, Oberst, Jon.

Out of these, i know jet has a T10, i dont know about Norin and khalron, But i know oberst and jon dont have 10s.
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post team loadouts pls so us shitters can learn

team C for the most part :^)))))

T29
IS2
Tiger I
WZ 131
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>>143611901
Depends on the map desu
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Is there a tier where the Russians don't at least have 1 best in class vehicle?
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>>143611901
Team A: T29, IS-2, O-Ni, bulldog
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>>143611901
For tier 7 we brought a T29, O-Ni, IS-2b, M41
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someone gift me a T8 prem pls
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>>143612039
calm down geg
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>>143611901
Team B: IS-2B, Tiger, Tiger, Bulldog
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>>143611993
tier 1_

))))))))))))
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>>143612063
>greg wants to sell his WoT account
>the rage has finally boiled over

F
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please buff E5 ((((
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>Shoot is-6 turret side with 220mm pen
>ding)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

i hate balance
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>>143614207
>not just shooting the cupolas
??????
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>>143614303
>not just playing a tank with bl-10
is of own fault
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>>143614436
too bad all the BL10 is mounted on is either shit tanks or mediocre tanks
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FUCKING

REMOVE ARTY ALREADY GOD DAMN IT
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When the freedom hits just right
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>>143615057
man I don't get it

Why would a t-54 poke there
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>>143586579
I remember from a book about ww2 armor fighting vehicles that I read when I was little, that there was a trial version of turret-less tank destroyer using the chassis of the tiger 1, where they removed the turret and the front hull and replaced a slab of 400mm slope armor at 45 degree but still armed with the 88 except the gun can depressed all the way to more than -15 degrees
when would we be getting those?
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>>143615291
We wont
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>>143615241
Because he was yellow senpai
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>>143615291
No, but you'll get another dozen of RU tier 9/10 copy tanks to make up for you.
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>>143615626
why not? they let the anime heavies happened
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>>143615905
>they let the anime heavies happened
>they
>anime

you have much to learn, goy
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>>143614612
Yes! Basic gameplay with Russian tanks should dominate every game!
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>>143619571

T95 the cutest.
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>>143620839

Also has the longest wiki write up
http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Tank:T95
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dude HESH lmao
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>>143625541
lit up like bonfire night
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>>143625541
>>143625807
good job garlicfries
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>i’m sad that there are no session stats – total victories/defeats per day, earned credits/XP
>despite the seeming usefulness, this is one of the biggest demotivators in case of losing streaks
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>>143627965
session stats just updated to 9.15. Even the 9.13a version worked on 9.15
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>>143600538
>sawse no longer in nofun
What brought about this unfortunate turn of events?
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>This was not a pen.

I can only imagine the mess it made from the crew next to the ammo.
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>>143600538
>nofun
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>finally got the L/68 on my E75 and got to leave the short 105 behind forever

Thank GOD. Hooooooly shit, even with APCR that short 105 just doesn't do a goddamn thing in tier 10 games. Onward to the 12.8cm, I guess.
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Which is cheaper?

Bat Chat or Obj 140?
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now that all tank games have dead communities we should make a new one
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>>143630409
>you didnt grind the long 75 on the KT
WHAT ARE YOU DOING
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>>143630947
>75
I meant 105. My point still stands
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>>143630453
A new tank game?

>>143629365
Apparently the clan was too dead for his taste.
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>>143631147
a new tank game
no slavs on the dev team
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>>143631052
>>143630947
I forgot to mention I'm on console. SO we have to deal with retarded upgrade packages.

I researched everything on the KT. Going from an elite KT to a stock E75, the only thing you can immediately mount is the short 105. Beyond that, you need 51,800 XP to get the next package, which has the long 105. The reason it's so fucking expensive is because the package also includes the engine and tracks.

So yeah. I had to earn 52k XP on an E75 using the short 105.
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>>143631472
Ouch, that's the price of being a console pleb.
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>>143631216
If I had unlimited resources, I'd make a game based on Gorkamorka.
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>>143631693
>40k tank game
That would be pretty gude desu.
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>>143631823
I was really hoping Crossout would be something like that. But, as it so happens, it too is being developed by slavs...
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>been shit in the E-100 ever since I picked it up
>debating selling it to fund the Grille 15
Should I indulge my scrublord desires?
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>>143632337
There is literally nothing good about an E100

Why did you buy one in the first place
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>>143631693
>>143631823

we already have them in game)))))
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>Trying to do arty missions
>impatiently wait for reticle to fully close on target
>miss anyway

BONUS ROUND:
>fire shot
>teammate ammo racks target before shell arrives
>direct hit
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>>143632750
get the mortar mod and become the god of cancer tanks
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WAKE ME UP
the T30 flipped his shit on me and told me to git gud, etc.
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>>143633297
CAN'T WAKE UP
this is the T30 driver
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>>143633423
M4 is pretty comfy, gotta admit.
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>>143627965
Just don't use xvm or any kind of session stats if you don't want to get put on edge even more than needed
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>spot half enemy squad 10 seconds into battle
>enjoy spot damage
>kill arty

>:3
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>>143633423
>played too much Type 64 and can't handle all of the M4's gun handling anymore
Feels good.
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Even heavies can be fun sometimes. Had to drive all the way across the map twice, though, which in an ST-I is no trivial thing.
At the end it was me and the arty against 5 tanks, and they all rushed into me and died (except the T30, who politely sat in our cap waiting to die).
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>>143636792
Is it ST-I or ST-1?
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