We are perfectly balanced Edition
Previous Mission: >>143190397
News:
1)
Alien Hunters DLC has been released on PC alongside a large patch, notably including various MP fixes. It's coming to Mac "soon".
>https://xcom.com/news/en-dangerous-ruler-aliens-await-in-xcom-2s-alien-hunters-dlc
2)
Anon dug up some Shen's Last Gift SDK assets, MECs are confirmed along with a bunch of other leaks:
>http://imgur.com/a/Z5aWQ
3)
Long War Studios are working on five more mods for XCOM2.
>https://xcom.com/news/en-long-war-studios-creating-more-xcom-2-mods
4)
Julian Gollop is still working on his new game Phoenix Point. It's a turn-based tactical game with strategy elements, destructible terrain, geoscape and character progression much akin to XCOM.
>https://twitter.com/Phoenix_Point
>http://www.phoenixpoint.info/
>http://www.pcgamer.com/julian-gollop-announces-new-game-phoenix-point/
The /xcg/ Mandatory Read:
>http://pastebin.com/k9pT8zx4
<<Helpful XCOM 2 Links!>>
Assorted improvements (Skip intros, alleviate stuttering, multi monitor support, and resolutions past 1080p)
>http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=616682629
XCOM2 NEW AND IMPROVED MODLIST, updated regularly:
>http://pastebin.com/pTMatP5Z
NEW STEAM COLLECTION, contains all Workshop-mods from the modlist:
>https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=689085703
MEGA MOD LIBRARY - Contains all 180 or so mods from the new modlist:
>https://mega.nz/#F!HlgWjCqR!STJ0c0kW8Fs6jKynqKyerw
/xcg/'s Long War Library (New LW players read this shit or you will be ignored):
>http://pastebin.com/YmaXBKpN
/xcg/'s Image Library:
>http://imgur.com/a/S1qfx
Music for fighting the good fight:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYC0qgPQfiM
>>143523179
That was shitty spot and he ended up in it due to bad luck but just going fuck it and disabling them entirely in a massive fit instead of going "where did it go wrong and what could I improve" is so unlike the Beagle I like
>>143523708
when you see such an incrediblely stupid and anti fun game design in action, how can you not be frustrated
Man the way that chat is full of people dickriding beagle and jump on anyone that say otherwise is painful.
Like, I think Rulers definitely need to be looked at to say the least, but god damn.
>>143523851
I don't think it's either of those things, but okay. I can see why someone would think that and I shouldn't hold Beagle to a higher standard than anyone else but I do, this final mission was just bad showmanship. Even during Escalation he never threw tantrums like this.
Okay, maybe a little.
Pistols are Useful.
>>143523327
Baw gawd, it's a mec. Second one i see on this campaign, first one i see after the blacksite one.
>>143523708
I had my A team squad ready for combat, with all the meme weapons and well underway into the mission. Then the Muscle Queen appeared and murder all of them. It fucking broke my heart and I stopped playing for a while.
Yeah I looked back on it and consider what I could have done, the importance of the snek suit, not having mag weapons on half my squad but when I reloaded the bowcaster an the Queen stunned 3 people in one reaction I was devastated.
Beagle said he will play around with the ruler for the next round if he can, I'm curious to see what he does with them.
>only reacts when soldiers expends all moves
>limited to x reacts a turn
>>143523973
Gave up after kinda bringing it up during strategy layer before the mission, people were already salty about rulers in general then. Unwarranted imo but hey, not my business. I acknowledge that they feel unfair sometimes but I think they're fun.
>all this talk of beagle throwing a fit
is that why the stream was so short?short in comparison to the other week
>>143523973
Yeah, I usually don't look at the chat but today salt just hurts to watch.
>>143524308
He had to end it today early because of things. Even so, starting a new campaign at this time would just be gatecrasher and then that's it.
It seems i was fortunate that the dlc came out very late in my campaign.
>>143524302
i like the rulers, but i feel like the devs just said "fuck it lets give them op weapons to make up for the balance"
in a perfect world the rulers would have been designed around the tools we already have and build up from there
>>143524175
And that's another happy ending
>>143524914
Too bad that was only one block on the avatar project
>>143524308
>is that why the stream was so short?short in comparison to the other week
Nah, I have to call someone to wreck my car because it's unregistered and it'll cost too much to make it roadworthy again.
>>143523708
>>143523973
>>143524094
>>143524364
I don't like people dickriding me just because I'm me either, but on the opposite side of the scale I also don't like people hating on me because I'm me.
As far as I can remember the only time I've ever been legitimately mad on stream is the time Mikey dying to the Seeker. I'd had a really bad fight with Jamball the night before and I was in a pretty awful mood, so when that happened first thing in the morning I just *lost it*. Point being, that was about personal life, the game just triggered it.
Anyway, my point is I don't like that I can't speak out against things without people saying I'm having a fit. I've seen enough of the reaction mechanic by now to say I didn't think it made sense, and in practice, it doesn't make sense - there's a lot of reasons that design-wise I just think it's a bad introduction that restricts player choice without providing or encouraging any new playstyles that would work better against the rulers. I can see why they did it - vanilla Legendary is a joke so throwing in something so blatantly broken kind of evens out the balance somehow - but I don't think that makes it a good addition, particularly if you've spent the last few months since release making the game more challenging already and you don't need alien superman to do that for you.
I don't like the idea of toning down or disabling a vanilla mechanic but if it's just going to frustrate me right when I've got the game feeling interesting and challenging again, I'm not really interested in slamming my head against it and learning how to cheese the reaction mechanic properly. It's not something I'd see myself keeping around for any other reason than to stop people from complaining I made my game easier.
>>143525195
Shit dude, I hope things get better
>>143525195
Thanks for clearing that up here, good to see you still browse on occasion! A lot of the negativity comes from standard issue 4chins elitism so don't stress it - and I say that as someone who likes and will defend rulers in most cases.
New balance looks great, look forward to seeing it in action more!
>>143525195
Just so we know, do you normally lurk or do you drop by when you catch wind we're having some banter about you? Just curious
>>143525351
I remember when this got posted, it was hard to believe that actually happened. Those are some really cute titties too.I fapped to them. I bet this girl is really pretty too. If you're still around then pls be my gf
>>143525962
>not fapping to snek
>not fapping to patsy
NORMIE OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>143525195
I didn't mean to bang on you dude, I agree with the crux of what you were saying - you shouldn't have to play entirely differently just because something MIGHT happen, that's dumb.
>>143525195
>>Mikey
Seekers actually flanking -and- shooting was quite the wake up call to the new changes to the AI that day. Not only it did hurt but losing a Base Defense survivor was quite the kick too so no blame for the rage of that day.
But don't get it wrong, the chat 'hurts' in the sense that they don't see the whole picture. Plus, when you add those crits through cover and the generally more pressing sense of urgency of the mods that are active makes for a much harder experience.
It was quite hard to face that Ruler alone, especially when you add the extra 'moves' it has when you consider the extra Operatives, but it was quite over when those extra patrols made it into the firefight.
Disabling the Rulers is quite a good alternative as re-balancing them will take way too much consideration unless someone gets a lucky idea to do it. Is more promisiong to start with the Stunt Lancer and see how they can get into a much more acceptable position.
>>143525195
Yeah disabling is the right call. Trying to get a big modded campaign running in a semblance of balance and not breaking is hard enough, but alien rulers just introduce a complete curveball to the equation.
Alien rulers is a challenge dlc, plain and simple, and they don't fit in with a vanilla campaign, and especially not with a campaign that is already supposed to raise the difficulty and changes how alot of vanilla balance.
Just slap the DLC tick off and don't look back until people have actually had enough time to figure out how to actually modify rulers and have new concepts on balancing them. Can't wait for the new campaign tomorrow even if I'm sad this one got cut short.
>>143525195
I'm sorry for the shitflinging we can have about you here, I hope you know it's not at all representative for how the majority of us look at you and your content. It's easy to see the bad feedback more than the good, so I'm suprised you even come here considering how pissy people here can be when talking about you or other e-celebs. Anonimity is a curse and a blessing, really brings out the worst in people - I hope it doesn't drive you away from us as a community, because we really do appreciate you and the fact that for a lot of the LW-era your streams held this place together. Hell, just look at the strawpoll for our /vg/ league roster where you took it home by a landslide.
That notwithstanding, I don't agree with you about rulers. I mod my game extensively - you can ask some anons here about my Long DongCOM campaign - where I have squadsizes of 8-10 + way long fatigue timers, and I still don't really agree with your complaint that the reaction mechanic is broken/can't be countered, because it can - in a lot of very interesting ways tactically that make items I would never have considered before AH seem really, really viable. It also makes the earlygame easier by introducing the new items, which is great because vanilla XCOM2 legendary suffered from frontloading what little difficulty it had into the first one or two months.
Alien Hunters to me is variation in a game which sorely needed it - the major gripe with AH is that it also introduces no-win scenarios where a series of ifs can lead you into a spot nobody could make it out of unscathed, and that sucks. It's unrewarding and antifun. This happened in your stream today because of all the extra difficulty and hoops you have to jump through in order to evac, but I'm positive that rulers could work - and be really fun - in your campaign with a bit of balancing to counteract the general difficulty jump you've created in everything else.
It's 7am and I'm too tired to post anything cohesive though
>>143526083
>>snek
>>patsy
I'll rather go Prude.
>>143526707
Basically this.
Rules add too much into the equation at the moment for them to be part of a challenge mod.
i have been thinking for a while, what if the rulers only get to reaction after a soldier used both actions?
i feel like that could give to a lot of skills that dont end your turn their time to shine
for example a grenadier with salvo and heavy ordinance could stun lock a ruler by its own and the giving the chance to reload and fire the bolt caster on the same turn without reaction considering that its not even a guaranteed hit or stun
AoE abilities like devastation would be possible to blue move most of your soldiers (depending on how early on the turn is) out of range but by that token you are committing your first action to that and risking putting your self on danger of more pods or the ruler itself
>>143525605
Thanks! But things are fine, just the same amount of frustration and obstacles anybody has to deal with.
>>143525632
Glad you like it, it's important to me that the modding is enough to make the game more fun and interesting for me to play but restricted enough that it didn't suck the fun out of it for you and others to watch.
>>143525764
I come here every so often now. I used to browse after every stream at least but I fell out of doing that as a habit when XCOM 2 was coming out, where there was a lot of negativity about me. I don't say that to guilt anyone, just that matter-of-factly coming here to read people saying Hurtful Words on the Internet was getting to me through the volume and regularity of it that was posted. Though it did make it harder to parse legitimate feedback from people just being assholes - like I said above it's important to me that the modding is restricted enough, because I saw a lot of people with legit feedback who didn't like how much modding I was doing and that it hurt their enjoyment. The main thing I like seeing here is what people really think so I can adapt and improve. If people say they're having a good time to my face but are actually disappointed with the streams or video, it doesn't help me be more entertaining for them in the future, so it's good that people are honest here. Though I'll admit it hurts to see people say they feel like they've lost a friend because they don't enjoy watching me anymore or that they 'miss when I was good' - but again, that comes from a place of honesty, not from anyone trying to be mean, and that's something worth hearing.
>>143526094
No worries at all.
>>143526264
>Disabling the Rulers is quite a good alternative as re-balancing them will take way too much consideration
That's how I feel and it goes hand in hand with restricting from going nuts on modding. I could try to do any number of ideas to rebal rulers but none will be unilaterally agreed with or liked.
>>143526707
>Yeah disabling is the right call. Trying to get a big modded campaign running in a semblance of balance and not breaking is hard enough, but alien rulers just introduce a complete curveball to the equation.
That's the bright side, I'm really happy to have the campaign modlist/setup in a place that seems more or less unilaterally liked/enjoyed from the audience, and also that I really enjoy as well. After being wowed by every mod that got released since launch, I think pulling back and restricting how many are enabled was an obvious choice, but I didn't see how much the modding both obsfucated my and the audience's enjoyment of the game fast enough. When it feels like this big mess of a mod orgy and dozens of tweaks, it's obviously not going to be fun for anyone, which I should've seen sooner.
>>143526716
No worries at all. It is much, much easier to focus on negative feedback than positive, and the real tickler is when that negative feedback is half legitimate and half not - when I started to agree with people writing sincere posts about how they were disappointed, it made it hard to then ignore people just being assholes which is common no matter what - if you listen to one type you feel like the other is true as well. But seeing people be happier with the recent modlist campaign and say it's the one they've enjoyed the most since XCOM 2 was a thing reinforces that there's legitimate issues that needed to be repaired in what I was playing, and also *when* I was playing - not having to get up at 4 AM helps a hell of a lot.
I'd be interested to talk to you more about how you think the reaction mechanic should be countered play-wise. Perhaps you can help me see something I'm missing that's key to understanding them. I like the Rulers as an idea and I love the items and art and themes the DLC introduces.
>>143527994
>I'd be interested to talk to you more about how you think the reaction mechanic should be countered play-wise. Perhaps you can help me see something I'm missing that's key to understanding them. I like the Rulers as an idea and I love the items and art and themes the DLC introduces.
If so, you've actually already got my e-mail!You may/may not remember me as the dude who e-mailed you and Jambs a while back to tell you I appreciate 'ya and also ask about how the hell DefaultMissions.ini worked
I'll write you when I've gotten some sleep, I like discussing XCOM.
To sum up my thoughts about what should change with AH balance briefly with a lot of time clocked with it, the problem is that it punishes the player for doing anything at all, not only aggressive moves. To me, it'd make perfect sense if a Ruler were to retreat after every shot you got at him, and got a free shot back in a riposte-type of deal. Basically, were it up to me I'd give him two actions points per reaction - but only in response to the player making aggressive moves, so a player A) Actually had the tactical option of retreat without being chased down and B) Could reorient his squad to engage an incoming ruler without immediately getting punished for what is in all regards the only sound move to make.
It's great to have you back in /xcg/, man! I hope you can bear with us and start dropping in after a few more streams.
>>143527516
>>143527994
Would you ever consider releasing your ini files for the streams you do? I know there is a gdoc with your mods but stuff like grenadier tweaks and other miscellaneous things would be nice to have for people that want to try what they see on steam (im not alone am i?). I also realize you probably change stuff all the time trying to find a balance and that it would take extra time and that you have no obligation to. Anyway, just an idea i had.
>>143528797
not him but i think you underestimate how god damn easy it is to tweak stuff like skill trees in the .ini
>>143528464
I agree with that, that'd make sense. When I say the reaction mechanic is really bad I mean as introduced currently - reactions for any half action, for everything the player does. I agree with you that the system can work, but as it stands it just punishes the player for doing *anything* - which is also why I have a habit of arguing with anyone who says it simply encourages a different playstyle.
>>143528797
I'd like to release those changes but doing things as simple .ini file uploads in this complex time of steam workshop mods and etc feels like it might not be ideal. But on the other hand I don't have the familiarity with modding tools to make a steam workshop mod of what I've tweaked. Maybe if I play more of this campaign setup and it continues to be fun and enjoyable I'll zip up the ini files I've changed or get someone to help me push them to a workshop mod. Until then though I hope people can use the gdoc as instructions to tweak their own .ini's - shouldn't take too long once you know how.
>>143528869
You're right, i haven't done much with the inis apart from adding a squad member which was very easy. Is there a centralized resource i should look at?
>>143529156
>as it stands it just punishes the player for doing *anything* - which is also why I have a habit of arguing with anyone who says it simply encourages a different playstyle.
That's fair, it is weird that it punishes a player for doing anything but to me it's also a great way of spicing up gameplay that in vanilla rapidly regressed back into alpha-striking every pod all the damn time. I like AH because it broke off the monotony, but that doesn't mean I'm blind to the fact that it IS unfair.
>Maybe I'll get someone to help me push them to a workshop mod
I could do that, if you'd mail me your files and tell me roughly what you've edited. Could send over the mod package once I'm done so you could publish it on your own Steam, more people would probably find it that way.
They should just make it so that the Ayy Rulers counter your attacks. That way they don't rape you when you move or reload, but they still get their bullshit turns in between your attacks, and it would probably make frost grenades or whatever more useful.
I dunno, i haven't actually fought an Ayy ruler yet.
>>143529595
Kind of, but imo this'd be too much of a nerf - I say do this, but give 'em two actions on every attack/grenade/flashbang. Anything which applies a debuff or damages the ruler and it gets two actions. Still gives you a LOT more leeway than vanilla because you can actually position properly.
>>143524115
PISTOLS
40th forcyclops eye mod when
>>143527516
>>143527994
Please consider doing Fanart sections once more.
>>143531435
Seconding this. Really brings the community together. Maybe just set it to like a 30 minute time limit if you feels it always drags on too long.
>>143530369
SWORDS
>>143531559
are useless
>>143531435
Wanna know the real reason fanart became something that fatigued me and I stopped doing it?
Because it's easy to talk about and highlight the various excellent pieces that were sent in once a week, but in order to highlight *everything* including stuff that wasn't as good or hadn't had as much effort put in, it was a huge chunk of time for one and required a lot of good spin to avoid hurting anyone's feelings.
I appreciate the time and effort of anyone who's going to create something and send it to me, so I don't want to exclude people by picking and choosing only the best pieces to highlight and then making others feel like they're not good enough or their piece isn't appreciated. But at the same time I feel like that policy also just encouraged more people to send everything and anything in - and when you're getting dozens of pieces in a week and half of them are made in MSPaint, it takes a considerable chunk of time to go through and give each of them their due. That started to feel like it was bogging me down and the stream down, so I stopped doing it.
I still highlight the most amazing or excellent stuff I see through my twitter or otherwise, because people who put in a huge amount of effort and talent into their art deserve that recognition and appreciation regardless. But I never intended the fanart highlight section to become a sort of 'memery' where I read jokes and comics out loud for an hour - that's the kind of stuff I'd rather read and look at in my own time, not on stream. I don't think there's any way to seperate the two without putting rules and exclusions on who can send in what and who gets shown on stream, which whether it's too sensitive an approach or not, the bottom line is people's feelings will get hurt some way or another and if I can avoid that I will.
>>143531589
OUT WITH YOU
>>143532070
I understand from where you come from with that policy but even then I would still prefer a 10-15 minute dash through the best fanart (or the ones that made you laugh) rather than no fanart section at all.
>>143532818
>I understand from where you come from with that policy but even then I would still prefer a 10-15 minute dash through the best fanart (or the ones that made you laugh) rather than no fanart section at all.
Maybe. Would probably have to be last week's that I check throughout the week and then decide on choices for the day, if anything.
>>143533127
Works for me.
editing ini files and "rebalancing" abilities/skills/values is not modding
>>143532070
>>143533127
On an unrelated note,Are you planning on streaming the new DOOM?
>>143533127
Maybe you could even use as a way to pad your youtube? Just a sort of archive video of the previous weeks fanart. That seems pretty simple, and also gets everyone piece out there. Then again that may take longer then I think. You could even maybe delegate it.
>>143532070
That's what I'm betting most people suspected. I know there were some times when you genuinely wanted to just skip over all those shitty 5 second doodles you got every stream.
Choosing not to look at some of them might be a little touchy as some of those could be from subscribers, and those are the ones literally paying you to say their name on stream, they could feel betrayed from not getting special treatment.
>>143533886
>Choosing not to look at some of them might be a little touchy as some of those could be from subscribers, and those are the ones literally paying you to say their name on stream, they could feel betrayed from not getting special treatment.
Man, subscribing and donating is interesting like that, in the context of streaming. Most people are good human beings who don't expect anything special and just want to help out, others do it for special treatment.
I feel bad for the latter not just because I try to treat everyone equal paying or not, but because I feel like I'm ripping them off. If you pay me money for special treatment for me I feel like it's ridiculous that they'd want it from me of all people. I'm not worth the money. At least when people subscribe to hot chicks on twitch for attention I get the reasoning, but I'm not hot *or* a chick.
>>143533764
I've played a few hours of the new DOOM and I really like it. I'm recording it offline and hoping to make videos out of it instead of streaming it. Though I'm a little worried there'll be too much swearing and yelling in it for some viewers.
>>143534517
>Though I'm a little worried there'll be too much swearing and yelling in it for some viewers.
Sounds like a good time
>>143534517
>>Though I'm a little worried there'll be too much swearing and yelling in it for some viewers.
I like where this is going already.
AAAAH ENEMY SPOTTED HELP ME MUTON
Looks like I missed a shitshow last night.
>>143534517
Speaking of YouTube, Planning of keeping up with those campaigns?
Is x-com 2 good. Do I need mods
>>143537417
XCOM2 is good. You don't need mods, but you'll want them. I recommend sticking to fixes, cosmetics, and quality of life mods until you complete a campaign. Check the pastebin in the OP for recommended mods that work.
> Have ranger
> Give him superior speed
> Arm him with an SMG (mod) that increases his mobility
> Give him serpent armor
> He can now move literally halfway across the level in a single fucking turn
And he just got promoted and I gave him implacable. He can literally run across half the level up to an enemy, stab the bitch, and then run half way back to where he was before. I've created a monster. Oh and he's got Run and Gun for additional fun
>>143537417
That's a big question
>>143537958
You need to give him the T3 armor that lets him walk through walls now.
>>143540024
>>143540094
airgame is useless
fuck off
>>143540167
Right back at ya.
>>143540336
U S E L E S S
>>143540414
Say that to my G U N
>>143540414
>>143540676
F U N
>Sectopod gets discovered
>next turn it walks through an entire building, KO's one of my guys
>entire squad panics for 2 turns
>another Sectopod appears and kills my medic
Fuck sectopods.
This mission is so quiet, i managed to get into the building with the objective without spotting any pods, i hear footsteps nearby whenever it's the ayy turns but i can't see shit, there's even a thunderstorm going non. It reminds of the crashed ufo missions from EW, it's almost, spooky.
>>143541502
Uh oh they're coming in from behind
>>143541679
And i guess everyone else is outside the building, but still right next to the objective.
>>143541781
Welp they found us, and these snipers man, what the fuck.
>>143542098
Uh oh, that's one A team member down.
>>143540094
It took me a little while to realize you could send multiple interceptors in Xenonauts so I had been wondering what the fuck the point of MiGs were when they only had two missiles and nothing else. At first I figured they were supposed to be used for hit and run tactics, i.e. have them soften a UFO up with a couple missiles, retreat, and then let another interceptor with MGs finish the UFO.
Still, I like that aspect a lot since it allows for a more dynamic approach to taking down UFOs than just sending interceptor after interceptor at it.
>>143542642
And then a Muton knocks unconscious the A team rocketeer.
>>143538810
The wraith suit? It doesn't grant a mobility boost like the serpent suit does. Pretty sure that's one of the major parts of the mobility buffs he's got.
Also took down the flying bitch king. Sanic the ranger ended up being the one who finished it
> Shit's bad
> Sanic's down to two hit points.
> One more attack and he's done
> Oh yeah axe throw
> Chuck axe at flying faggot
> Hits
> Charge it with axe
> Please work please work please work
> Sanic nails the fucker dead on with the axe nailing it for 6 dmg and killing it
It's ogre. It's finally ogre.
>>143542870
>Codex shows up with 4 Sectoids
>>143543059
A B team scout gets killed by the long dong muton and an advanced trooper with warcry, if you look hard enough, you can see his legs on the bottom left corner as his corpse falls down a hole.
>>143543152
Uh oh say goodbye to the A team scout too!
> Berserker queen
> Supposed to be a female berserker
> Doesn't have tits
Well fuck you too Fireaxis.
>>143543271
And after a couple of plasma grenades from our top grenadier all the sectoids and the codex are dead, silly codex took cover behind some explosive forklift or something and it died instantaneously.
Our A team scout survived the Muton, the advanced trooper ran into a bolt from our rocketeer after he woke up and now i think, i think only the long dong muton is left.
>>143543271
> Plate armor
Yep, there's your problem.
>>143543480
Things didn't go well man, our Colonel gunner never missed a shot and she was op as fuck, but she got gangbanged by an Archon and a Muton, shit's getting all fucked.
>>143543749
>haha you want to rest? TOO BAD HERE AYYDVENT
>>143544179
I remember during my first campaign, i complained that there were too many advent and not enough ayys. That even the mutons were rare.
Well, they sure fixed that problem.
>>143525351Sauce?
>>143544586
>almost die from panic when even just 2 muton appear because they will grenade my ass
>tfw seeing this
friendly reminder the firebrand lost
http://www.strawpoll.me/10319861/r
>>143543345
Are you stupid? All the berserkers are female mutons.
Also them not being human and being hopped up on shitloads of alien roids to make them HUEG is additional factors.
>>143544867
Things went well, i had 2 grenadiers and 2 rocketeers so all those mutons got roasted pretty fast.
>>143547891
Remember to remove your ayys.
What do you guys think of the Rulers DLC? How difficult are the new ayys?
>>143549967
poor balancing and campaign integration, awful visual style
>>143549967
trophy room is neat, Rulers are artificially difficult and i've stopped playing with AH installed until they balance them
>>143550115
>>143550269
Having a ruler take a turn every time you do any action IS artificial Difficulty.
There's little you can do about it. There's no skill involved or counter.
>just use frost bomb guys then take your 1 and a half unit turns and kill it :^))))
Gearing up for another run after my I/i game crashed and burned. What should I do to make it more interesting?
>>143550798
Long War or XCOM2? Confused since you say I/I
>I got burnt out after pretty much every mission settled into "BTFO first pod with ambush, fight through rest with huge amounts of explosives"
>Are there any mods out there that increase the ability to use stealth and subterfuge? I always felt like XCOM did way too much blatant assaulting for a small, underfunded organization of guerilla fighters.
>try guerilla war
I checked it out, but it seems to not actually make stealth more of a thing, just has more enemies show up...
I want to snipe the enemy sentry, sneak in plant the C4, and use one guy as a distraction for another to kill him without being seen, stuff like that.
>>143551343
then play a different game
>>143551343
Seconding >>143551971
>>143551343
>I want to snipe the enemy sentry, sneak in plant the C4, and use one guy as a distraction for another to kill him without being seen, stuff like that.
GW's headed in that direction but there's no telling how long it'll take to get there technically and balance wise. For now your example is hard to do without technical changes to the basic way XCOM handles pods and activations - it's very all or nothing right now, no such thing as sniping lone sentries or distracting guys to sneak up behind them.
GW as current does put more emphasis on stealth though. Reinforcements don't appear on most missions until you're spotted, so staying hidden for as long as possible is key. Grabbing the objective and evacing instead of having to neutralize all enemies also encourages you to avoid contact and extract without fighting, hence the title Guerrilla War.
Now, i've never complained about rng or artificial difficulty or any of that before in Xcom2 but, this lancer is unconcious, he is one tile away, he is flanked and
>dodge:graced
This is some serious next level bullshit memery going on here, it doesn't even make sense.
>>143551134
XCOM2
>>143552604
>dodge:graced
graced by jake
>>143552873
grace this
>>143551971
>>143552079
T_T
>>143552410
Yeah and I get where he's coming from but it's a different style of stealth emphasis.
>>143553059
*GRABS DICK*
>>143551343
also, check these out, they sound like what you want
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=677573817&searchtext=spec+ops
Spec Ops Combat Knives, let you do navy seal bullshit to slit advent throats without breaking concealment
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=652910710&searchtext=escalation
Escalation Classes, specifically the Scout class. Has a lategame perk that allows you to keep concealment if you kill your target in one shot, and a perk to lower detection radius.
>codex does the "lol no ammo bubble"
>murder codex and aliens are it
>codex bubble explodes the next turn
>"fucking codex reeeeeeee" - anon 2016
>end mission screen
>most under fire: meme beacon
>tfw the entire time.
Here is how to beat rulers
>shoot it
>keep shooting it
>KEEP SHOOTING IT
>DON'T STOP SHOOTING IT
>DON'T MOVE JUST KEEP SHOOTING
If you follow this detailed guide thoroughly, you should find they most rulers will simply fuck off after one or at most two turns.
>>143553287
Thanks I'll try them out, Scout in particular seems good for what I want. Even if I just take one Scout it might be enough to play more the way I want.
>XCOM
>People complain about difficulty
>>143550798
Same happened to me.
>>143552835
I hate to be boring but have you seen our op modlist? It's really good
>>143554430
no I'm complaining about the artificial difficulty that are the rulers
I'm fine with fucking borrowed lids, getting crit out of hard cover, have just enough resources to shred and kill a sectopod only for another to flank me.
>>143556201
>artificial difficulty
Oh boy here we fucking go again. It's only "real" difficulty if your retarded ass can beat it, huh?
>>143556556
all too easy
>>143555972
I have and I'm looking at it again now. But there's so much stuff in there, it's hard to tell what to use and combine together. I wish there were some "packages" or something.
Also there are so many other mods not covered. I want to investigate, but I'm leery because you guys presumably left them off for a reason...
>>143551343
In terms of design I think firaxis put themselves in a corner with this one. Xcom2012 took so long in development hell that for them to create something that was fun (if shallow/limiting in some ways compared to the original) was kind of a miracle and that it got such a reception and following even more so (though I'd argue xcom2 only exists thanks to Long war and the increased complexity, anyhow).
As a result, and looking back at the oldcom spinoffs, its easy to see why they didn't want to change their design for gameplay. Land on site, shoot everything that moves, leave. All the underhanded stuff, the subterfuge and intruige and hit and run and morally grey stuff about civil wars and insurgencies are not able to mesh with these mechanics AT ALL without changing something core (bad example but compare with the addition of real time movement in apocalypse).
PR stuff aside about it looking bad to be making something that detractors could call a terrorist cell simulator the stuff that got people hyped setting wise for Xcom 2 was never going to happen because who wants sneaking when there's explosions.
>>143559474
>PR stuff aside about it looking bad to be making something that detractors could call a terrorist cell simulator
This is the big one, with the recent attacks in Europe Firaxis are being very careful with what they release. Sneakily planting explosives in an area with civilians would make front page of the Mail.
EXALT
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>>143559707
I think it was certainly a factor, and probably shaped a lot of how the anarchys children pack was all wacky xd mad max stuff that was very off key but regarding the base game a lot of the design work would have been done years back.
and there's no bad publicity really. GTA is the classic, how many kids found out about that absurd digital world where killing hookers for your money back was the norm and then HAD to have it
>>143560521
Even before the rise of IS people are still sensitive about terrorism and guerillas.
No such thing as bad publicity is a myth, the GTA scandals helped as thats the kind of image they deliberately wanted to cultivate because the target market liked that kind of thing, it was effectively actual good publicity. The kind of people that want to play terrorist sims don't play Turn Based Stratetgy games and the target market (more mature gamers) is going to see this kind of thing in the news and think they've lost the plot.
I want to play LW 1.0, what kind of ini edits would you guys recommend? I'm planning to play I/I sooner or later.
>>143563019
Reduce Exalt Health
Use the airgame mod
reduce injury times
Reduce terror mission panic per civillian
Reduce Mechtoid aim.
>>143563265
http://www.nexusmods.com/xcom/mods/608/?
You mean this airgame mod? Which values should I change?
Sounds good for a start, though. Thanks.
>>143563827
I did most of my changes as I went along and yes that airgame mod. Just generally reduce repair times and nerf the UFOs
>>143564004
Sounds good, it always pissed me off that you could basically never shoot down large, let alone very large UFOs. And the repair times basically forced you to always start in Egypt.
>>143565063
I find as long as you leave the Interceptor HP alone and don't go overboard in nerfing the UFO's it balances out as your aircraft are capable of shooting down larger ones now but you still can't send pre-upgraded Ravens against larges or v.larges until you get decent weapons as they'll get destroyed before they do much damage.
>>143544595Some femanon here posted it here in exchange for XCOM tacticsAn anon asked her to write Ben on her body and she did
/xcg/ will be playing soon in the /vg/ league 6.
http://implyingrigged.info/wiki//vg/_League_6_Qualifiers
Stream link at the top of the linked page
Game starts in a few minutes
http://pastebin.com/1z7qbaqS
>>143566339
>>143567819
Anybody but me watching, boyos?
GOOOOOAL
>>143568825
i am
repostan olden golden
youtube.com/watch?v=oSoYaGRtdvk
>>143567819
this is actually pretty damn entertaining
>>143568825
I have it open, looks like chat is dominated by /gerg/ tho
we suck
>>143569895
We'll come back, being underdogs is our element.
>>143570000
QUADS OF HOPE
>>143559857
You're going to run out of pics sometime.
FUCKING >99% CHANCE TO HIT WHY DID WE HAVE TO JINX IT
Oh Jesus Christ this headset and beret combo is just HNNNNNNGGGGGGGG
Kek that match. Living memery running on the field
>>143570929
noice
Beags the absolute MAD MAN
BAGEL WITH THE GOAL
WE'RE STILL IN THIS
How do the qualifiers work? Will we be eliminated completely?
it was Rookie vs Mechs
3-4 is an acceptable outcome.THOUGH IT IS INTRIGUING
Big ups to our manager, thanks for doing this.
>>143571720
Pretty sure we're still in assuming we win our matches in the future
Sorry guys, i fucked up
I knew the counter of /gerg/ was deadly and i fucked up my sliders pre-game.
I will try my best for the next 2 matches.
>>143572390
Don't beat yourself up 3-4 is a good scoreline man, you made the game super close and interesting! Psyched for our next match.
>>143572390
it's all good, it's not over yet (right?). All things considered, you're pretty good
>by pure luck the game rolls me almost all core characters from previous campaigns
>all ayy lmaos purged with extreme prejudice
>all objectives accomplished
>flawless fucking rating
The old gang is back, baby
Zombie last stand in a mansion in the woods mission when?
Just endless zombies appearing from the fog of war around the mansion, like 15 on screen at once. Have a squad of 8 or 10 guys. It would be so fun. Or just any kind of endless last stand mission you could play. The Avenger base defense mission is my favorite for this reason.
>>143570929
First mods I downloaded were a shit ton of custom accessories and equipped most of my soldiers with their EW/EU equivalents simply because all the armor in the game is just goofy and stupid as fuck. T3 armor is a suit of purple spandex for fuck's sake.
Also the final bosses look stupid as fuck.You're basically fighting three wannabe Gokus
How's my specialist look?
>>143581580halo/10
>>143581580
Like its wants to lay its eggs inside someone
>>143583810
Don't you fucking dare
>>143583948
Can I post the wasp fic?
>>143584101
No. Don't do it.
>>143584270
The wasp fic is good (good) http://mcstories.com/Adaptation/Adaptation.html
>>143584406
Aaaand i'm out. Peace
>>143584506
Do you not like erotic fics about space wasps that rape the limits of good taste?
>>143537958
>Miguel Diaz
All that speed isn't gonna be worth shit when trump builds the wall
>>143542724
Yeah.
I wish they expanded more on that. Not only at the beginning but also in the late game were you basically crush all opposition.
I decided to take on an alien base with a squad of nothing but rookies on legendary difficulty. Leading the operation is Ms. Mary. The operation ended up being a disaster. This is their story.
Also I'm using the Tommy Wiseau voice for all of them.
>>143586958
The base is located in the middle of a scorching barren desert. As Mary is in charge of this operation she will be on point.
>>143586958
>Tommy Wiseau voice for everyone
You don't have to throw your life! There's still hope!
>>143587346
Mary spots a sectopod and several soldiers as soon as she takes a few steps forward. fuck.
>>143587534
What mods do you have for that Sectopod?
IT'S ALIEN KILLIN' FRIDAY WOO WOO
Whose ready for the weekend?
>>143590597
ME!
FUCK ALIENS!
>>143590597
Let no ayy go unpurged
>>143593896
GETS IT
So xcg why do you hate the ayys?
>>143590597
Make the Ayy, pray
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WChTqYlDjtI
Who have you lost recently in the fight against the ayys? Lieutenants LeBron James and Bob Ross just passed away for me.
>>143595183
May they become vengeful spirits for your cause
>>143595501
>vengeful spirits
God, I'm now imagining the Sectoid King. Instead of zombies he summons ghosts to fuck your shit up. They can move through objects like the Wraith Suit and are immune to damage. Have to deal enough damage to him to dispell them.
>>143596776
Being able to summon psionic ghosts would actually be kind of cool.
Is there a log file or dev console or something I can use to see why my game crashed? Too many mods to disable them one at a time...
>>143593896
who is the artist and is there more?
>>143596776
>>143596948
the problem is it's just another attack if you can't attack them. it doesn't change the mechanic of "pile damage on leader"
>>143578964
Yeah, I was really disappointed by the end mission desu and the Avatar's looks didn't help AT ALL.
Did anyone actually like TFTD?
>>143598270
yes and I'm psyched as fuck for it after just beating the game
>>143597592
Artist is aelannacessara.deviantart.com
and yes there is more
>>143598058
Maybe they have low health and high damage, or have an ability that lets them explode. I literally spent about 5 seconds thinking about it, so there will of course be flaws.
>>143565786do you have a copy?
>>143595183
They're all diamonds
Is it possible to win the game on legendary now?
>mfw i foundTiberiumduring scan
>>143600123
Yes, of course it's possible. Why wouldn't it be? Rulers are nowhere near as bullshit as everyone plays them up to be.
>>143600318
>Rulers are nowhere near as bullshit as everyone plays them up to be.
They're pretty bullshit. Thank god they run away after you do half or a quarter of their health (iirc) in damage in any given mission.
>>143596776
Lets make it worse if the ghosts hit your dudes they are mind controlled until flashed or ruler death
Any one else have dancing corpses in their game?
Oh boy time to play some xcom
Can someone tell me what LW's "Leader" Mod for XCOM2 actually does? I don't want to use it until I know how it works, and the info LW put up on the workshop is missing a lot of details.
>>143600678
>when your mind yells: kill XCOM! but your body just wants to dance
>>143600518
Sounds bullshit, I like it. Make the ghosts slow though.
Beagels?
>>143601237
Adds Long War style leaders to xcom 2.
>>143601346
But what if they were fast!
>>143601624
>Adds Long War style leaders to xcom 2
I haven't played with those either
slav magic does it again
Was the final build of XCOM 2 ever cracked, or are piratefags still stuck with the beta build?
>>143601693
Basically it does fuck all.
>>143570929
>>143601774
Where did you get those helmets and headset?
>>143601780
piratefags never had the beta build, it was the release build without the launch commands that turn off redscreens.
>>143602497
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=650731226
Headset.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=650242049
Altyn.
no bagels tonightwhy am i not suprised, dude skips every other stream these days
>>143601563
IT'S OVER
>>143603302
:(
I'm sorry, I really don't want to 'skip' any of them.
>>143603264
thanks senpai
>>143603302
>>143603305
I stayed up until two in the morning here to be told he cancelled. Why does he never say this stuff in advance? I feel like he cancels at least a fourth of his streams like five minutes before they're supposed to start, so damn frustrating. Serves me right I guess
>>143603418
Don't stress it man, life gets in the way sometimes! Will we be seeing DOOM videos anytime soon? You've got us amped up for that stuff now.
>>143601774
Putin bless advanced stocks
>>143604553
He looks very cheeki
>>143603305
Awww...
Where is everyone?
>>143608201
in concealment
I just want to say, to the anon who made the ODST armor, you're a real fucking hero.
I have one request, is there any way you could fill in the arms on the torso so I could go short sleeves or any other XCOM arms? The nonODST arms are too small and there's huge see-through gaps
>>143608201
working on a huge whore of a modlist
FUCK SNAKES
>>143608201
Probably playing DOOM
>>143610232
Good Job.
>>143610232
>FUCK SNAKES
sounds good to me fampai
Could you ever love her despite her horrible scars /xcg/?
>>143611817
> Snake chicks are made from the same DNA as thin men
Does that make them transexuals?
>>143612371
Reverse traps, more likely.
>>143612371
no. Thin men are made from sneks, not the other way around
>>143612219
Quick /xcg/ i need pictures! Pictures of Sci-Fi weapons!
>>143612725
I have a folder of them, not going to dump unless there's significant demand since I don't want to be an image limit thief
>>143612725
>>143609836
the one in the op? Thanks if youre the anon who made it, using nearly all of them atmi'm a poorfag who torrented the game and i get all my mods from the mega link. noticed that the odst armors arent in there even though its in the pastebin, could you put them in please? they look so cool
>>143613139
That kinda looks a bit like XCOM 2's plasma guns now that I think about it.
>>143613139
>that trigger on the front
>>143614907
yeah, I can't imagine the trigger pull would be pleasant
>>143614647
>Bullets that fat.
>No stock
>Single hand grip.
It's a gun you can only fire twice.
>>143615423
>bullets
I think those are supposed to be laser things. It's a laser revolver
>>143614394
Nah I'm an /xcg/ newbie myself, but my hunger for mods is all-consuming.
Inf act I was just about to start asking /xcg/ about my list, trying to curate it down to a reasonable level after getting over 250 mods.
So, here are the new enemies I've added. Are there any you really love, hate, or know have issues? I read through the Workshop pages and comments for all of them but it's still hard to tell how they will play out or if the game will have issues with such a large number of new enemies.
>>143615423
it's the new Glock revolver
>>143615607
the miniature display on the side seems to imply that it shoots high explosive shells. The barrel also has rifling, and the cartridges look like projectiles from the front.
>>143616049
>The barrel also has rifling, and the cartridges look like projectiles from the front.
Really? the barrel looks like a lens to me, almost like a flashlight.
>>143614647
>>143613139
I really want to see some mods that add alternative weapon variants like these. I love the sense of impact T3 weapons give but god damn they look stupid as hell.
Also is it just me or do the new hunter weapons look like they were stolen straight out of Warframe? They've pretty much got the same style as the Tenno weapons right down to the silver and wood theme and the emphasis on exotic curves and sharp almost bladed pieces.
>>143615423
dozo
>>143616049
The prongs at the front and battery indicator on the side display kind of suggest that it's an energy weapon.
>>143616264
>>143616591
the whole thing is fucky upon closer inspection. How do you insert the cartridges/cells? I see no way that the cylinder could swing open
>>143616872
You charge it with a USB cord.
