Visual Novel General #1081
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http://pastebin.com/zeiYgLrs
This general is for the discussion of Japanese visual novels.
Kindly use spoiler tags appropriately when discussing plot spoilers to facilitate smooth discussion.
Im noticing a decrease of meme usage in these threads. Step up fampais.
>>140902770
>This general is for the discussion of Japanese visual novels.
pls change that to "Translated Visual Novels" in the next thread
So what are you reading today/tonight /vn/?
I love eternal lolis.
I like lolis.
Fuck dovac.
>>140903090
>So what are you reading today/tonight /vn/?
this thread
Localized and no honorifics translation a shit.
>>140903005
Every visual novel can be "translated" with MT, a note in the OP isn't going to do anything against shitposters.
>>140903530
>Wake up
>see this
>wat do?
tell her to speak English
>>140903530
>Every visual novel can be "translated" with MT
yes, but Japanese VNs are still untranslated, discussions of the MT are welcome, but discussions of the VNs that are being used with MT is not, and belongs to /jp/
>>140903090
Gonna finish Dracu-Riotor as much as I can before the complete translation
>page 10
ded thred
>>140903090
I'm maybe going to continue reading Ayakashibito. I stopped the moment the retarded MC mentioned that he wanted to go to a fucking highschool.
Why the fuck would the author do this? They are on the run because some part of the government or something is after them and wants to kill them. Go to school is the last thing anybody would think of doing in a situation like that. It's even worse than in Tokyo Babel.
>>140905149
Ayakashibito is shit anyway.
I K I K O I
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What are some VNs where I can trip on girls and grope them?
Best rewrite route?
>>140905823
a lot of them if you factor in tripping over their corpses in bad ends
>>140907232
terra duh
Sweet dreams /vn/
>>140905149
>Why the fuck would the author do this?
Most VN are set in a highschool environment because they're marketing it to young adults.
So I just started Noble Works and she is by far my favorite girl,why is she such a bro?
Also she does have a route right?
>>140910292
Y-Ye
>>140910292
No route.
Read Elina's route in Dracuriot. It's the closest thing you're gonna get for now.
>>140910390
>>140910383
Why did they do this?
>>140910670
Want but can't haves are a common staple of moege
>>140910670
I just filter for VNs with the "best girl doesn't have a route" tag on VNDB.
>>140911164
Pretty sure EGS has a tag like that
Jesus fuck the text in Root Double is bad. I know it's not just the translation but also the original being written extremely bland, but still.
>>140910390
I don't want to play a partial though.
Youcanneverlearnjap.jpg T_T
>>140914408
is that even a sentence, without any particles and such? seems like it's just a series of words
>>140914408
>>140914408
That's Chinese.
>>140914640
It all looks the same.
>>140914408
>ching chong chang chong king kong kang kong ding dong nip nong
it literally means "you will never be able to learn japanese and don't try", trust me i'm good at Chinese characters
>>140914640
>>140914507
>>140914736
It's a quote from the 古事記
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kojiki
If the text appears to be Chinese, it's usually directly taken from some old ass Japanese literature. Normal Japs can't read that either.
>>140912334
What gives you that impression? Root Double is pretty well regarded from what I've seen (unless it gets meme-hated in this thread or something, I don't really visit this thread too often). Chances are the translation/editing is just shit. A translation is good enough to judge the basic overarching core of the plot as long as it isn't so horrendously bad that it manages to get even that wrong, but even the best of translations aren't enough to judge the writing beyond that since writing style pretty much entirely depends on the translator and editor and the original prose and writing style from the Japanese script are basically lost.
>>140914597
Is it even something that can be tackled with patience? Like skimming through dictionary and adding words for eac kanji and then trying to make sense? Or maybe try to write down what he says in hiragana and try to understand it.
>>140914640
Too bad cause the voiceover doesn't sound chinese at all.
>>140914806
Well fuck. Other chants are thematical(Kei about child of a fire god, Ren - about time and Faust ) but at least understandable.
>>140914916
I mean the text/prose specifically, not the plot writing. Conjueror said the same thing about the original game, every sentence is basically a "He did this. Then he did that.". Really repetitive.
>>140915043
>Like skimming through dictionary and adding words for eac kanji and then trying to make sense
I don't think you'll get that far since most words are probably not listed in dictionaries, not even ones focusing on kobun. You'd have to learn some really old grammar too. Being able to read ancient literature is no easy task no matter what language.
In cases like these, I googled parts of it or looked up the respective chant on the Masada wiki. But that's all I did, if nothing conclusive was found, I moved on. I frankly didn't have the patience to dissect each chant, it really takes you out of the reading flow. Gare didn't bother deciphering all the chants in KKK either.
>>140915125
who the hell cares about what conjueror thinks
only moogy's opinion counts.
>>140914408
i've been reading for less than 3 months and I can recognize more than half of those kanji and know the readings for probably 1/4th.
But of course I'd have no clue to what the hell it means. Its okay, I'm not touching masada until after 1-2 years.
>>140915638
Also, Kain's chant is pretty much the only complicated chant in Dies. The rest are easy. KKK is where it gets hard.
>>140915769
Oh, and I guess Mercurius' chant is in latin.
>>140915872
Latin is easier. So is German.
Let's make /vn/ a Yuritopia!
![DnY5QS9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CF7CgiD.jpg "DnY5QS9[1].jpg")
Let's make /vn/ a paradise!
>>140915909
Assuming you don't know Latin, you don't get any furi to rely on in Mercurius' case, or any readable text at all for that matter. He also uses a voice modifier in that scene.
I am not sure if I should be surprised that Kagetsu Tohya got porn in it
>>140914597
>南無大天狗、小天狗、有摩那天狗、数万騎天狗来臨影向、悪摩退散諸願成就、悉地円満随念擁護、怨敵降伏一切成就の加アア待
>na mu dai ten gu, syou ten gu, yuu ma na ten gu, suuman ki ten gu rai rin ei kou akuma taisan, syo gan jyoujuu, sichi en man zui nen yougo, onteki kouhuku issa nasyou no kaaji
what does this mean, JOPs?
I just started root double.
Do you suppose to take Natsuhiko's route later? I picked his first and I somehow feel that I was thrown into a middle of a plot game point.
>>140917367
The pleasure of being cummed inside.
Oh fuck.
Just came into a condom after saving up for a week.
It was filled just like in my hentai manga.
Why don't VNs ever promote safe sex?
>>140917796
Yeah. B route slowly introduces you to the setting, so if you take A second, you know most of the stuff and it's not a suspense anymore. Though it's still enjoyable because there are mysteries that are left unanswered here.
I started B first and enjoyed the game. Also, you won't get a feel trip at B if you start A first. So, your choice.
55th for Saber.
>>140918219
One off.
>>140918095
>Suspense or feel trip
I guess I'll take the former. Had enough of depressing shit.
>>140917936
They do promote safe sex anon but it just got censored.:^)
>>140917936
The no condom meme is a government funded ploy to increase Japanese birthrates.
>>140918470
The whole not "cumming inside on a dangerous day" meme is a government funded ploy to increase Japanese birthrates.
>>140918470
>>140918635
I thought they meant that if it's a "dangerous day", cumming inside might set off an unstable nuclear reaction like what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>>140916354
>that anime tier shading
>that bloom to hide the lack of detail
>>140920197
>anime tier
Yurirei is a MANime, lad.
>>140920713
>>140921131
guys...
/jp/ is making fun of us again...
>>>/jp/15166408
>>140921334
Fuck off JOP.
>>140921251
>>140921558
Kill yourself EOP trash.
Have you princess carried your imouto today /vn/?
Have you read this piece of art yet?
>>140915043
Wouldn't worry about it, you're not expected to understand it.
>>140922553
Yes, it was pretty good
>>140923107
Please no baiting this early in the day.
>>140922553
Yes. It was pretty good.
Good writing, good characters, great comedy and well developed setting. It's worth spending 30 hours to read it.
>>140923579
>>140923107
>>140923579
At least this bait was funny.
>>140923107 is just bad.
>>140923781
Conjueror-poo?
>>140922553
Are there any doujins with Samael? God damn I need one of those. And while at it, a Raziel one would be great as well.
But yeah, Babel was pretty enjoyable. Some fight scenes were a little boring but it doesn't get that bad as people try to make it.
>>140914736
Chinese always looks insanely ordered, compact, and elegant in comparison to Japanese, which is always meant to flow.
你是一个柴草 Chink
あなたはホモです Nip
Conversely, if you want to detect Korean its simple as fuck. Are there tons of circles? Its fucking korean. In order to become part of the korean master race you have to perfect making circles and curves like a master.
당신은 게이입니다 SC2
Fuck the other character languages other than russian because you can spot the language of the squatters cosplaying as Hellen Keller.
>>140924139
Oh I also forgot.
Curves are mostly illegal in chinese. Their fucking square ideology from 4000 years ago still applies today to the language.
Remember folks. Its not that hard to tell the three primary languages of the east from eachother, even if you'll never learn them. Telling the people apart though is still impossible.
>>140924139
If you don't know the kanji/hanzi, Japanese and Chinese are L I T E R A L L Y indistinguishable at times. If you don't know kana, they're ALWAYS indistinguishable.
>>140924530
Well, I'm mostly familiar with identifying them outright. I'm aware that there's similarities between the two languages but as a rough guideline its worked most of the time.
I haven't touched learning either language in years and I'm more familiar with russian and italian since those two have been my focus as of late.
>>140925086
Is this the legendary BUILDUP to sex I've heard so much about?
I want to protect that smile
Can someone explain the senses system in Root Double for a retard? How important is it?
Does it really matter whether you fill it 3/5, 4/5 or 5/5? How do you know how much exactly to fill?
Holy shit the limit is 5 times per day. This girl is too horny.
>>140925248
You use a walkthrough
>>140925248
For most stuff, it only matters wheter you put it to 4/8 or 7/8, though there are a handful where 1/8 or 8/8 are also important.
While it's overall important, it's not that hard to figure out after a while, for me a rule of thumb of "good feelings about x" -> put it to 7/8 while "bad feelings about x" -> put it to 4/8 worked.
>>140925567
That's for losers.
>>140925617
You're a fucking loser anyway, there's nothing to lose.
Cute 999 reference
>>140925680
I really like that Tsumugu.
>>140925904
Damn, those faces...
>>140925904
FUCK! If only this damn gate weren't here.
So apparently Roa created Burial Agency
I am not sure if there's something poetic here or what
By the way anyone has name for music that plays during these scenes?
Reminder that Chronoclock is considered a worse game than Tokyo Babel in Japan.
http://erogamescape.dyndns.org/~ap2/ero/toukei_kaiseki/game.php?game=21224
>>140926936
Who cares? It's some dumb moege no one is even hype for.
>>140927024
I've seen plenty of people hype for it actually. They're annoyed by its lack of translation progress. Not surprising it's on the backburner though, since it's likely going to tank when it launches.
>>140926057
FACK!
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0kvdSfSZIED
>>140926936
>>140927024
no it's not, obv it says there like 4 people quit and 2 hated it, but about 100+ absolutely loved the game
>>140927559
Try English, ESL.
>>140923606
>>140923385
>>140923687
>every opinion I disagree with must be bait
Tokyo Babel haters, everyone
>>140927689
>Tokyo Babel haters
So, everyone?
>>140927605
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that's exactly what i'm here for, to read the English version of VNs and learn the fun way
>>140927728
>everyone must share my opinion
Thanks for proving you Tokyo Babel haters are retards not worth listening to
>>140925412
She reminds me of Sena. Does her route also go full retard shortly after you enter it?
>>140927865
Calm down underage-kun.
>>140927865
>liking Tokyo Babel
Embarrassing.
>>140927865
Calm down anon-poo. You're pulling a Miley Cyrus right now.
>>140927935
>>140927935
IKIKOI
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>>140927937
I'd say the haters acting like kids not being able to accept the fact that people are allowed to have different opinions are the real underage kids here
>>140927559
Situation frequency graph
100 1
90-99 6
80-89 43
70-79 100
60-69 51
50-59 11
40-49 4
30-39 5
20-29 0
10-19 0
0 to 9 1
The 60s-70s range, which is what most of the votes fall into means the game is mediocre to meh.
>>140928145
>haters
>kids
Wew Reddit you're about to pop a vein here!
>>140927972
>weaboo this mad about localizing fucking jokes
Thanks for the laugh
>>140928158
It was the same for Tokyo Babel and thats kamige so....yeah this shit isnt worth listening too...
>>140928158
... most of the votes fall into 70-80 here though
Anyways, can't be much worse than the garbage that was Babel
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>>140903326
>>140903530
>>140909553
>>140912334
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>>140914736
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>>140916354
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>>140917367
>>140918637
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>>140923781
>>140924139
>>140924530
>>140926936
>>140927605
>>140927935
>>140928252
Hey you liquid man where the fuck are ya sitting on the down low when ya dab with the homies and toke a little of the finer leather straight import from China where location is key and real estate is a prime meridian on the 38th parallel.
>>140928252
Oh anon-poo you're totes cute when you laugh. It makes me grinnity grin grin.
>>140928386
Hey you liquid man where the fuck are ya sitting on the down low when ya dab with the homies and toke a little of the finer leather straight import from China where location is key and real estate is a prime meridian on the 38th parallel.
>>140928323
The 60s range has more votes than the 80s range does, but the highest concentration is in the 70s range. 60s-80s has the most votes.
I've read comments about the flaws of this vn, both how bad the routes are resolved and how unaddressed the story ends up being in the end. It might not be a bad vn, but it's definitely not a great one either.
>>140928386
>>140928220
If someone likes something, that person is called a fan (or xfag in 4chan), then what do we call the people who hate something? Why is haters not an acceptable word?
And would have liked it better if I said children instead of kids?
The point is the same anyways. Rejecting different opinions so much is typical underage behavior
More so than liking stuff like Tokyo Babel.
Who said there's an age limit to liking anything?
Because whoever said so is a retard
>>140928386
>machine translation.txt
>>140928386
wtf
>>140928582
>>140928607
>>140928725
>>140928679
>giving this many (You)s for a repost
What are you doing?
>>140928670
You sure are projecting here bub. You like feces, and hey, that's alright. But don't pretend like you're eating anything more than feces.
>>140928670
>>140928796
Don't ever fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
So what do people think of drm failing yet again?
After boasting about the drm for PxC, not only was it cracked within a day but a torrent with a crack was available before any other drm free major release of April.
Akabei Soft beat the fuck out
>>140928796
Being a generous giver of (You)sFor (You).
>>140928858
God job missing the entire point of the story.
>>140928808
When you stop acting like your opinion is a fact
Moege is the only reason to read vns desu
>>140929103
*Moogy is the only reason to read vns desu
FTFY
>>140929103
THIS desu, i never really read anything other than moeges
>>140928796
why not? always nice to care for our fellow shitposters
>>140929103
>>140929187
>mfw best girls are in a yuri VN so they will never know the taste of D
>>140929103
I feel like if you don't like moege and nukige then you'll have a much harder time really enjoying VNs, but there's plenty of plot games and such to last a while. Putting aside even novels like Muramasa, Dies Irae, and Island which are practically on the level of literature, you've got plenty of just plain good stories to be found. Not nearly as many stories as good porn though.
>>140929331
Dumb het poster
>>140929103
Moege is the only reason why I'm learning moons.
>>140929171
Mow-egg-eI still have no idea how to pronounce Nukige.
>>140929434
Its okay to not be a homo once in a while anon.
>>140929331
>>140929331
There are multiple faces in that picture, you fucking troglodyte.
>>140928386
Holy fuck!
>>140929398
Moege are fine but they have to be good. E.g the opposite of Koirizo, Princess Evangelion etc. Daitoshokan is a good example of how they should be. So going by that, good moege are as rare as good plotge really.
>>140929485
>how to pronounce Nukige.
new-key-ghe
>>140929572
>Daitoshokan
Setting the bar a little high don't you think?
>>140929509
(You)
>>140929331
>mfw there are girls who don't know the greatness of D
>>140929398
Is there a single girl in real life who ever strikes the same pose as the girl on the right? I see it so often in animu and shit, but I can't actually recall seeing anyone doing it.
>>140929572
The only thing that puts Daitoshokan ahead of other Moege (aside from all the true route stuff) is that the writers are *really* good (and thus the jokes are funny, the character interactions enjoyable, etc). So I don't really know what you mean. Daito still has a dumb cultural festival, a thinly veiled harem with only 1 significant male character, etc.
>>140929790
>mfw
![hqdefault[4].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yStu4Zp.jpg "hqdefault[4].jpg")
>>140929790
Shit. Forgot my picture
>>140929845
> Daito still has a dumb cultural festival, a thinly veiled harem with only 1 significant male character, etc.
This. Club administration and cultural festival are such boring subjects.
Looks like Island may not be as good as we thought looking at the discord memers
>>140929947
>mfw no Ultimate D
>>140929845
>and thus the jokes are funny, the character interactions enjoyable, etc). So I don't really know what you mean
That's it really. Most moege feel soulless and are a bore. There'll be reused settings and tropes in the VN medium, unavoidable really.
>>140930127
how do i get into that discord thing or whatever?
>>140929845
>s that the writers are *really* good (and thus the jokes are funny, the character interactions enjoyable, etc).
Honestly, it felt pretty average to me. Maybe because I'm not too into Japanese/anime culture, but I didn't find it particularly good. I mean compared to a lot of the other phoned in garbage then yeah.
>>140930127
But Kastel thought it was kamige. She's a VN connoisseur so I really trust her opinion.
>>140930345
>I'm not too into Japanese/anime culture
>learned Japanese
Ok bud
>>140930345
十人十色. No matter how good something is, someone won't like it too much.
>>140930127
Literally everyone on twitter and EGS thinks it's really good.
>>140930235
discordapp.com
They are all in jp-media, just lurk like everyone else
Now that it's been confirmed that ISLAND joined the ranks of other Kamige like Muramasa, Dies Irae and Himawari, how hype are you? It's likely it will get localized.
>>140930415
It's almost like opinions are a thing!
>>140930613
No they aren't.
>>140930613
Yeah that's what I'm saying. He just said he didn't like it so I was like yeah, different strokes for different folks.
>>140930610
No EOPs will only get cheap cash ins like the Huniepop clone.
>>140930610
>all-ages
All those kamige have had 18+ scenes in whatever version while Island does not. Thus Island is not a kamige.
The question of all questions; wait for ISLAND VN or watch the anime?
>>140930991
We'll also get this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-3YPzSsm6Y
>>140931493
Supposedly, there'll be a side story: ARCHIPELAGO and a sequel CONTINENT. Much like Aqua After, both of those won't get translated so you better learn Japanese.
Moogy dono has spoken: ISLAND is better than YUNO and Ever17.
He's also an advocate of all ages. I guess I will stop masturbating now and only play AA games.
>>140931630
If it's getting translated it's automatically kusoge.
>>140931798
The memers have spoken, it's inferior to Himawari
>>140931878
Which isn't really a big deal, considering that Himawari is one of the best VNs of all time.
>>140931976
"anywhere near" is pretty big
>>140931976
>no name lolige
>one of the best VNs of all time
>>140932109
t. EOP
>>140931878
I thought these fucks hang out on IRC, why did they all change location to discord?
>>140932125
what discord is that and should we join them
>>140932668
https://discord.gg/0TDy2odjLmw7DooR
They are in jp_media
I'm gonna fuck your waifus.
>>140934037
NTR is my fetish, so go ahead.
>>140934037
You can't do that when you don't know who they are.
>>140934176
>having shit tier fetishes
>>140934307
>not having god tier fetshes
>>140934482
>NTR is anything but bottom of the barrel trash tier fetish
>>140934482
>NTR
>god tier
Maybe if you want to consider it better than the rest of the shit-tier fetishes maybe.
うぁts wrong with being a nigger--?
>>140928871
geeettttttt dunked on!!!
PIRATES WIN AGAIN
>>140928871
>>140935553
They didn't even use Denuvo though, they just used Buddy and some other program.
>>140922553
So Conjueror's top secret project was Tokyo Babel?
I'm kind of disappointed desu.
>>140936937
>>140936937
Does it matter? Kamige or not, everything that gets translated automatically becomes a kusoge.
>>140936937
Are you retarded? Genuine question.
>>140938210
I'm in the midst of translating a novel right now and I'm growing increasingly convinced that it's impossible to precisely translate anything between any two languages. Everyone word is just so thoroughly different, down to the sound it makes and how it feels, the nuance and usage behind its word, the historical context of the word, it's just impossible to translate. You can make a translation that resembles the original, but it will never be the original. Sometimes imitations can surpass the original, sometimes they can't. But what I'm becoming convinced of is that no translation can truly "be" the original. It will always be an imitation, a reflection in a different form. If someone wants to read kamige, they have no choice but to learn Japanese.
>>140939131
Novel or visual novel? Which one?
>>140939343
Visual novels are novels.
>>140939510
I bet you think they're literature too.
>>140939510
How would /lit/ feel about this statement?
>>140939552
Some, I mean some are literally just old print books put to backgrounds and BGM.
>>140939594
The definition of novel is just "a fictitious prose narrative of book length" so they would not mind. There's nothing continuous here.
>visual novels aren't games
>visual novels aren't books
So what are they?
Are there any visual novels /vn/ can unanimously agree are kamige?
>>140939552
>picture books aren't books.
>>140939774
Pornography/Art.They're fucking games/books and that's why we're still stuck with the rest of the autists on this hell-forsaken board.
>>140939774
Mongolian interactive powerpoints
>>140939765
I thought of porting some actual literature to the VN format before, but then I thought about how much work it would be and in the end no one would read it.
Oh well.
>>140939794
Muramasa
VNs are the offspring of adventure games. If you play 1990-era VNs from like Elf or Alice Soft you'll find they practically always involve a significant amount of manual movement, choices, etc etc. In a Ship of Theseus type problem, choices were gradually stripped out until nothing remained but the text. So VNs used to be games, but gradually removed game elements, which is why we're in a weird place right now. Modern VNs are move like novels than games, older style vns are more like games than novels. That's about it.
>>140940229
I prefer VNs without gameplay.
>>140939765
Writer here. I've thought about making some of my unpublished stories into visual novels, and I don't believe this at all. I had to fuck up the first chapter of the story incredibly hard, just to make it fit into a workable pace. Took out paragraphs and paragraphs of description that simply don't work in visual novels without destroying their flow.
>>140940383
The definition of novel is "a fictitious prose narrative of book length". Whether the style of prose is different is irrelevant. That said I've read a couple VNs written with book-like narration, so if you couldn't manage it then that makes you a failure of a writer, frankly.
>>140940502
Care to name one or two of those VNs? I'm interested, can be in Japanese or English. I've never seen anything that could be transferred into book form before without significant changes.
Is Grisaia overrated or just slow in the beginning
>>140940742
Yes it's slow
>>140940742
It's only really liked by normies who have played less than 5 VNs. It's extremely bad.
>>140940742
It's shit. Only Redditors think it's actually good because they love the "Psh....nothin personnel kid" MC.
>>140940718
Rail Soft. 'Nuff said. Sayonara o Oshiete also reads like a novel to me. Umineko, at times, got heavy book vibes.
However, like I said, this is all kind of irrelevant. The definition of novel is very clear cut, and even though VNs often require different styles of writing that doesn't mean they aren't novels.
>>140941001
They aren't.
>>140941070
I'd like to see you try and back this up with a solid argument.
>>140940742
If you don't like the comedy you should drop it unless your standards for drama are extremely low, the character routes are atrocious
>>140941001
I'm not fighting that at all, anon. Writers like Tao Lin and other postmodern writers that can write 'ha ha ha' on every page are technically considered models. I'm only talking about ones that would transfer mediums well, without much mangling
>>140940937
I only played 2 before thisbible black and euphoria
>>140941214
>I'm not fighting that at all, anon.
I took that attitude because
>Writer here. I don't believe this at all.
Made me think you meant you didn't believe VNs were novels. If you just meant you didn't believe people put 1:1 novels into VNs, well, it happened so I don't know what you could contest.
>>140941214
NVL style VNs are generally closer to literature in terms of having descriptive prose. As far as translated VNs go, Swan Song (although the translation destroys the prose) is probably the closest to being written like a pure novel, followed by Saya no Uta.
I agree with you that VNs really shouldn't be considered the exact same as novels, they clearly aren't. Not only the visuals/audio but they definitely require their own style of pacing.
>>140940742
Above average. The girls are fun, the MC is interesting if you don't mind power fantasies, the drama is frequently shit.
>>140940742
Can be both?
I found it entertaining although I admit the common route was dragged out.
>>140941580
I misspoke, you're right, I meant I didn't believe they couldn't be converted 1:1.
Are the novels you mentioned actual converted novels then? If not, which are? Because I'm still skeptical
>>140941594
>I agree with you that VNs really shouldn't be considered the exact same as novels, they clearly aren't.
Please use more precise language. VNs SHOULD be considered the exact same as novels, because they are novels. You will have to be more specific about what you mean by "novels" if you want to distinguish things. Modern style print narrative novels is what I presume you meant.
>>140941859
The novels I mentioned were VN originals written in the style of novels. As for novels literally turned into VNs, there's plenty of cases on the PS2, for instance Kino no Tabi got one. Cheap to make.
>>140941861
>because they are novels.
>>140942193
>LN
>a novel
kek
>>140941861
>VNs SHOULD be considered the exact same as novels, because they are novels.
You simply cannot judge VNs and literature on the exact same criteria. For one thing, descriptive text isn't even a requirement for VNs, while it is for novels. Something like Hanahira for example is 100% dialogue with no descriptive text whatsoever.
>>140942356
See, your language is so damn sloppy I'm not even going to continue this discussion. No point in discussing the meaning of words like this.
>>140941859
>they could** be converted.
>>140942193
Light novels are pretty similar to visual novels in terms of their language, but I guess you've got a point.
>>140942356
Hanahira actually isn't considered a visual novel by the majority of serious fans. It doesn't even pass the requirements given by VNDB. It just stays on there 'cause it looks the part. So using that as an example is a very poor choice.
Are novels books?
>>140940229
And there's also stuff the West has made, like Undertale and "walking simulators"
>>140943384
Undertale is actually a normal rpg. Random encounters, real time combat, buying/selling items, etc. Hardly a walking simulator.
Man I think VNs made me softer, and not in a bad way.
I remember when I first started reading them, I would hardly feel emotion when presented with simple but what someone else would find a "touching" moment. Now a few years later, something simple brings me to the edge of tears, or fills me with joy and happiness.
I've read a few books, watched tons of movies, shows and series, and none have that effect on me.
I wonder what it is about VNs that bring that out in me.
>>140944204
Cute anime girls can soften any man's heart.
>>140944363
Made me chuckle, but fuck, I think its the truth.
>>140944204
Anime girls.
And you probably read bad books and seen bad series.
I told my literature professor that I was going to write a visual novel without words. He just looked at me like I blew his mind. I'm gonna be an author!
>>140945075
If Subahibi doesn't come out today I'm ending it.
