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Stream: live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv259674739
5/5 21:30 JST, 8:30 EDT, 5:30 PDT

-LATEST NEWS-
>P5 stream begins May 5th
>P5 to feature in Dengeki PlayStation on May 12th
>P5 scheduled for Summer 2016 in Japan, 2016 in NA, Europe TBA
>Persona 20th anniversary festival to take place in 2016
>Winter of Rebirth releases on BD August 3rd, 2016
>Next Persona Magazine to release Summer 2016

-INFO-
>P5 Info
pastebin.com/MJuR9h0S
-GUIDES-
>General Guide
pastebin.com/eCHRjKCZ
>PQ Guide
pastebin.com/Bq16HvJh
>P4U2 Guide/Resources
pastebin.com/M3MPepKb

-DOWNLOADS-
>Art, Guides, Music, etc.
pastebin.com/Vh0CdRit
>P4 Dengeki Comic Anthology
mediafire.com/?4kjjaf0jtw2jyj3
>Persona image collection
mediafire.com/?9j3us2v34coua

-MANGA-
>Scans
personascans.tumblr.com
mediafire.com/personascans#unst48ukbu457
pastebin.com/L3WXvsf3
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Hello new thread.
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reminder that DAN Naoto is pure and vanilla Naoto is a slut
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For Cat-suya!
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Reminder that you have more hours clocked on Persona 4 than there are hours left till the event.
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Voice actors

>>140719740
That was true for me a year ago. I have played Persona games too much
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>>140719740
>147 hours
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>>140719309
One of two reasons.

1. Regular trends and waves in /pg/. People to hate come and go, Fuukaposters, Naotoposters, etc. It's just that gayposting has become more frequent and as always there are people who are agitated by it. There's really nothing inherently different between these but as homosexuality is a real life controversial issue and not just waifu wars there's a bit more spite behind it.

2. Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls.
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>>140719669
CUTE
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>>140719838
>knuckles
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>>140719632

Atlus loves to hide great personas behind insufferable SLs.

Like that sports dude in P3 and Helel.
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>>140719838
>elizabeth is almost always best or second best girl
nice
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PERFECT GIRL AND CUTEST ROBOT
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>>140720059
Posting this every thread won't compensate for the fact that Aigis shouldn't have a camel toe.
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>>140720059
You forgot to mention that there's also some other girl in the picture
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Threadly reminder not to get lost in heaven, cause they got locks on the gates.
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Fumus...
Umbra...
Cruor...
Glacies...
Fill my soul with smoke
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>>140720448
The Future comes in about 100 hours.
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>>140720657
I used to have this as my wallpaper when I was 13 and edgy.
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guys I'm getting excited for the p5 stream, wat do
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>>140721103
Wait and play back of games like the rest of us
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>>140721103
I'm getting excited too!
I think I'm gonna
I-I'm gonna
Oh gooood.
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>>140721103
stop
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>>140721367
:o)
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>>140721318
Backlog*
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ok so what if
what if you could create your own character in persona
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>>140721394
>I'm gonna hit him with my chain, that's a good move
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>>140721631
there's been a few MMOs based on persona 3 and i think at least one of them had character customization
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Is P5 going to be another MGSV? And by that I mean a superb game that's hated because it's different?
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>>140721792
I don't think people hated MGSV cause it was different. It was hated cause it felt unfinished and couldn't capitalize on the themes it presented well.

Everyone agreed it's one of the best in the series gameplay wise.
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>>140719838
If I kill myself, will P5 get dual audio? What if I sacrifice Chihibro instead?
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>>140721792
It definitely won't be MGS5 in the sense that it needs another year and a half of dev time. They haven't shut up about how much content P5 is going to have compared to all the other games in the series.
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※ Please become nuisances of the day of the Tokyo Tower in the vicinity of the stand-by and other customers I would like to request that you refrain from.
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>>140721880
But only the story is unfinished for now :^) and it had the themes were fully realised.
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>>140721886
No dual audio, but the game will be dubbed in German instead of english
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>>140720657
>suffering that doesn't last can be endured, and suffering that can't be endured doesn't last
thanks Epicurus, you're the best
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>>140721886
If you kill yourself, even the Japanese version will get English audio.
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So, I just finished P3FES The Journey. Was Aigis in love with the main character or something? Why was she crying at the end when the main character falls asleep?

Also, should I just watch the Answer cutscenes on youtube? Thanks.
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>>140722949
God damn it anon you just stirred up a messy situation.
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>>140722949
Have you ever walked a girl home gently?
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>>140723064
Racism is only allowed on /b/, Yukariposter.
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Car crash. You died. Persona 5 already released.
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>>140722949
The true love interest in P3 was that girl who wanted to get run over by Mitsuru
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>>140723380
What are you talking about?
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>>140722949
>you can only cry for someone's death if you loved them romantically
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Who /under90hours/ here?
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>>140723589

What if one day you realize P5 already came out and you forgot all about it? How would you feel?

What if you then found out you weren't wearing any pants? Then you woke up.
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>>140723380

> Have you ever walked a girl home gently?

Unfortunately not. I walk girls home pretty savagely if you know what I mean.
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>>140724858
103 hours and higher for NA you eurofags will get the timer early but not the game
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Less than 97 hours here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw
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>>140725876
95 hours here.
How does it feel to get cucked?
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>>140726202
Countdown means shit as it's counting to your local 21:30, not JST 21:30.
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>there are people in this thread that aren't posting Yukari fanart
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>>140726608
There are also people in this thread who haven't been Qkiko'd, but that ends now!
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find a flaw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9c_zHwqoTk
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>>140726863
>>140726608
yuko is better than all p4 girls combined (excluding dan naoto)
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>>140726936
there's a brief period where it sounds like it's going to transition to doctor mario
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>>140726976
>that one shitty fanart that yukoposters have to use cause there's literally nothing else
EVERY
FUCKING
TIME
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>>140727184
It isn't really bad desu.
I'm pretty sure I've seen better, though.
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>>140727184
if i had the capacity to draw i would draw solely her
>>140727630
there are 4 other pieces of art of her that exist and two are fat fetishes
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>>140726976
So are you gonna make a boy or a girl?
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>>140723471
True, but doesn't apply here. That's like saying calling your bud a fag counts as homophobia.
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>>140727761
I found 44.
Mostly are group pics, many are bad lewds and like 2 or 3 are decents pics.
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>>140723064

WHERE IS YOUR NOSE
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>>140728310
I mean, if you get down to it, the use of slur words in any negative context is inherently offensive to the group who's slur you're using since it equates that group with "bad," but I'm not really trying to get into an argument about the intricacies of the English language so I'll go with a polite gb2/b/.
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>>140728496
I got it
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Why is Fuuka so flat?
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>>140728781
Offensive to hypothetical Mr Paperskin =/= racist. But we don't need another argument on /pg/ so I'll go with a polite gb2/reddit/
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>>140729226
>it's not offensive to me so anyone who takes issue with it is a paper skinned PC thug
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What does that shit above the "exit" button say?
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>>140729340
Ay buddy it's a word on an underwater basketweaving forum. Noones taking away your welfare check or taking away your tendies. I'll leave ya alone just try and lighten up ^^
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>>140729779
First is "discuss the situation" from what I remember and second is definitely "go to Palace". Basically it's P5's Junes rooftop.
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>>140730010
I wonder if weather will affect anything at all in P5. I doubt it will to the extent of P4 cause that would be repetitive but maybe some actions aren't available some days. What would be the point of having the weather in the date HUD if it wasn't important?
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>>140730010
Looks like there can be room for 4 more
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>>140730267
2 more probably, 3 more at the most. Otherwise the buttons would cover them up. Remember, it's probably gonna be a 7 deadly sins thing.
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>>140730403
9
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>>140730609
25 party members for 25 chairs 2bh.
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Is that guy on the left Lyn's bf? Or just her guitarist?
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>>140730687
Nine deadly sins if anything. They showed nine words, not seven,
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how do you pronounce ramune
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>>140731178
What are the other two? Wikipedia says one is sadness.
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>want to max Waifu's S,Link ant make her happy
>but if i do i won't be able to do all her sunday dates

halp
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>>140731338
1.open google translate
2. set it to japanese
3. write ramune
4. click the speaker
>>140731512
Cavum and Irritum, hollow and useless/void. They aren't deadly sins and we're not getting Melancholy apparently.
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>>140729197
Fuuka is modest.
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>>140731338
rah-moon-ayyy
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>>140731704
I still feel like they won't be playing the tarrot card system as tight as they were in the previous installments
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So...

>Ruyji is going to be a dudebro who angry at society because adults don't take him seriously due to being a dudebro teen.

>Ann hates being treated like a zoo animal due to being gaijin. Basically japanese racism 101.

>Morgana seems to be a shadow who is not take seriously de to being small and look like a cat, so looks at Zorro, who is a big guy, strong and a pussy magnet.

>Yusuke's cosplay is a tanuki, which is a symbol for virility. Hashino also said Yusuke is nothing like Jun, so most likey Yusuke's drama is that people thinks he's femenine and a homo due to him looking like a fuckboi and loving art and painting. He most likely will act like a cold serious guy, but also he will autistically try to act masculine af.

Thoughs?
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>>140730209
I'd go with that. Certain activities will be changed by the weather, but I don't expect "We gotta steal this heart before the fog or someone dies."
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>>140733343
>He most likely will act like a cold serious guy, but also he will autistically try to act masculine af.

C-c-CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTE!!!!
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>google summer 2016
>mfw
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>>140733553
It's obvious, but Yusuke x Phantom is going to be the next big Persona fujo pairing. With Phantom x Ryuji being the next.
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>>140733343
Ann's problem is going to get P5 popularity blown up, because it relates to current times and the black jap that everyone do call cares about now
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>>140733878
Fujoshi will ship Phantom with everyone and I will eat it up.
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>>140733343
Jesús these all sound like Tumblr problems I hope the game isn't to much like this. Just delinquents trying to change the world from the bad adults.
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>>140733878
You're forgetting Phantom x any male villains
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>>140734279
Gee I can't think of any games in the series in which characters have had "Tumblr problems"
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>>140734279
>Just delinquents trying to change the world from the bad adults.
This is the plot to P5
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>>140734279
>Tumblr problems
what
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>>140719515
>a social link with a dog
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>>140734436
P4 came out before Tumblr became Tumblr anon.
>>140734173
PhatomxDetective
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>>140726863
I like this meme.
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>>140733884
If Atlus wanted to go full retard Ann's gaijin blood is most likely come from her grandmother marrying a 'murrican during Japan's occupation after WW2, and thus her family got dishonored.

But I doubt that because I don't see Hashino messing with it so openly.
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>>140733878
>>140734173
>fujocancer already shitting up the thread
lel
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>>140734559
>P4 came out before Tumblr became Tumblr anon.

What's your point? Characters often have arcs related to societal rejection and identity conflict. "Tumblr problems" are as old as time itself.
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>>140734436
>Kanji will never make you cute, matching haramaki
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>>140734279
I don't think Hashino cares about Tumblr. Most of the time Persona has dealt with very progressive topics, at least for the average jap. And Tumblr most of the time takes that out of context (See both Kanji's and Naoto's tags on that shithole)
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>>140734860
>Kanji will never knit you a pink alligator doll
;_;
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>>140734826
You're not allowed to have those problems anymore.
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>>140734826
Like what in P3 anon? P4 was so light about it and lol how /pg/ get all fussed about when Kanji or Naoto names get dropped about there problems.
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>>140734387

No, it's going to be Phantom and local Zenigata.
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>>140735062
And watch P5 characters plot become out of context.
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>>140733343
>Zomg people want talk about america with me dats like raycist
Ann confirmed for insufferable cunt
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>>140734279
>Tumblr problems
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>>140733343
I thought Ryuji or whatever had done some bad stuff before or at least was incriminated for it.
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Hello, is this the forum "Nyarlko" came from?
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>>140736713
Basically he was framed and no one believed him.
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What's in the chest, /pg/?
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>>140736802
Yes, how may we help you?
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>>140735448
She looks like a mix between Yukari's bitchy personality and Lisa's gaijin looks and drama.

>>140735375
Of course. Tumblr will take P5 plot and use it to force its shitty propaganda and personal problems into others.
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>>140736802
Fuck off Reddit.
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>>140736906
I want to learn how to write porn. He is my idol.
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What is this
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>>140737035
a key
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>>140737035
A key you dum dum

>>140737024
Go away degenerate
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P5 is almost here after 3 years of stream ruses I can already feel it, fuck I'm starting to get hype again.
What if the new stream is another delay? I don't think I will be hable to bear it
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still the best, 2008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeUYTPdpAP0
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>>140736713
Most likely he did stuff like some delincuent stuff like fights or stealing minor things for fun, and then someone framed him and no one believes him.

>>140737179
I don't think so. Another delay would fuck up Atlus' plans for the Persona 20th Anniversary Festival, and I'm sure they want the game out before this year ends so they can say "This is the yeat of Persona".
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>>140736895
Another chest.
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>>140737179
As a nip on twitter said:
>If there's another delay there will be riots in Tokyo
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Morgana anime shenanigans is that it thinks it's human, on the voice clip in the P5 site it says something among line of "I'm not human? I'm cat-like?"
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>>140737689
That most likely means well for the western release as well. Atlus seemed relatively confident about getting it out to the west as well this year
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I really want to know what the P5 OVA is about. And will it be like FFXV brotherhood, with a monthly release til the date. Didn't they announce 3 episodes?
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>>140738612
They haven't announced anything as far as I know.
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>>140738612
They only said that it's happening.
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>>140739023
Just making sure I wasn't getting confused with other rpg ova. Ovas for rpgs are starting to be a big thing now after tales did isnt?
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>>140738612
>First episode is streamed live in this event (or at least some long preview).
>Phantom gets canon name that you can change (Like Tatsuya in P2).
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>>140737570
>2008 was 10 years ago
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junpei is truly a NEET in the making
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>>140719838
We are worthy of dual audio
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>>140740331
In Ultimax he spends his time doing part time jobs.
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>>140740670
We are worthy of 2 hours of DATSU NUGU
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I can't stop watching the countdown
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>>140741607
seek help
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>>140741607
Have you tried not watching it?
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>>140741607
Anon, just mark Thursday in your calendar. Much easier.
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>>140742187
No, I haven't.
>>140742206
That's not as fun as watching the numbers count down with those sexy black boxes.
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>>140741607
I don't know why MC spends the day on his laptop with his street clothes on. It's much more comfy to stay on more casual clothes or even on underwear.
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How will we know what they say in the stream, /pg/? Benevolent viewers gonna translate or what?
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>>140742430
You dont understand conversational japanese?
Sasuga /pg/
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>>140742430
>Benevolent viewers gonna translate or what?
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

We didn't understand a word of PV3 and we still enjoyed it up until the words SUMMER 2016 came up.

So long as the numbers of the release date are in english ( :^) ) we'll be fine
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>>140742430
nothing they say ever matters
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>>140742617
I can't wait for a new preview and people saying that the game is ruined because of something unexpected. Followed by "Xfags BTFO"
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>>140742430
>he doesn't understand anime nihongo
Step up sempai
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What will be /pg/'s stream of choice?

I forgot the name of the ones we used to watch together, it has been so long
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>>140742852
You already are, deep down.
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>>140742589
>>140742816
pls no bully, guys ;_;
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>>140742825
Niconico, you faggot
>I forgot the name of the ones we used to watch together, it has been so long
You mean Pepsiman? Dunno if he will be streaming this one, few months ago he said he quits Persona and won't be translating anymore
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>>140742617
My favorite was spamming wwwwwwwwww and pissing off the Japanese that was in the thread
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>>140742430
The only thing you need to understand is wwwwwwwwwwww
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>>140743016

what a faggot
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>>140743082
and 888888888
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>>140743016
I heard that too, but I'm sure someone will translate it fairly quickly. And probably some people on the boards will hammer out the rough details fairly quickly.
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>>140743016
Holy shit really? I didn't hear about this! Why?
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>>140743002
Don't worry someone will post a translation of the important parts here
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>>140743319
It only took 1-2 days to have the last trailer subbed so it should be good
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>>140743129
>>140743235
He did it for free out of kindness, he said he was quitting cause he wanted to focus on translating things for actual money as a living. if you don't like it why don't you learn japanese :^)
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>>140743319
After some of us, with very minor and horribly flawed basic Japanese, incorrectly translate a few words we think we heard that one time.
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>>140743235
http://pepsimangb.tumblr.com/post/123028581484/its-time-to-quit-somewhat-given-all-the
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>>140743540
That's fine anon, I was just surprised because I didn't know. Let him get paid for doing something that he is good at.
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>>140743754
Daaaamn I wish he could of finish with P5 for like the big farewell and such but that's cool
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>>140743540
>tfw I will actually start Jap classes soon.
God I feel like a filthy weeaboo scum and human failure... Oh well.
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>>140744231
Jap classes through what anon? School or private?
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>>140744231
That's because you are.
But it's okay, we all are.
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>>140743016
He was a fag. I remember how much of a drama queen he was because muh free kindness :(((( with not enough dick suckling.
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fuckin junpei
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>>140736679
Oh the autist who call everything a meme is here.
Hello!
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>>140744706
He was 100% chad, of course he would rather be born in the US.
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>>140744874
no one cares retard
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>>140744918
You cared enough to reply ;)
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>>140744517
he translates everything like he's working for a localization company
a really, really bad localization company, like almost NISA shit, and he didn't even care enough about persona to remember what a fucking plume of dusk was
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who's ready to hear the velvet lolis laughing maniacally again?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x37a6en_persona-5-velvet-room-tgs-stream-countdown_videogames
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>>140745583
What are you talking about? Do they laugh every hour or so?
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>>140745583
I'm ready. Anything's better than Teddie.
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>>140745189
pointing out how retarded you are is not caring, just an observation
just saying
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>>140744313
private language school which means I will share classes with a few other weeaboos while our Jap teacher judge us hard.
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>>140745902
Sure it is.
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http://pastebin.com/u/nyarlko
Time to take your Daily Dose, anons.
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>>140745981
epik reply
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>>140746042
>Yukari would thrash and struggle but eventually her poor self esteem would overwhelm her and she'd consider herself a useless person and take whatever you forced into her. After you cum she'd lie there wanting to die.

;_;
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>>140746042
what happened to the anon that wrote these? i miss this shit.
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I actually think the first Persona 4 anime had some good stuff if we ignore the QUALITY, like

>Yu's shadow and Margaret fight.
>King's game scene.
>Mitsuo's shadow.
>OST is great
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>>140746501
>no argument
Didn't expect less.
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>>140746917
It did. And the QUALITY was sometimes entertaining in its own right.
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>>140746953
>argument
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Make way for Best Girl!
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>>140745583
>moving lips

into the trash it goes. it looks awkward when they're shouting or laughing and the mouth only opens as much as saying any other word.
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>>140746042
>urine and rape are the most popular ones
sasuga peegee
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>>140747891
What's this? It's best girl and best boy in the same picture!
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>>140747948
too bad, enjoy having animated mouths forever because of arcsys
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>>140747891
she doesn't even exist
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Well?
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>>140748045
Junpei and Fuuka?
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>>140748340
Hideo Kojima
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>>140748340
Coca Cola
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>>140748340
Narukami, Yu
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>>140748340
Sudou Tatsuya
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>>140748340
Blast Hardcheese
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>>140748340
Cool Ranch
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>>140748340
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>>140748340
Hideo Soejima

>>140748503
Not that anon, but you made me remember some stupid situation.
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Got it.
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>>140748913
Sure. Why not?
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Be honest, /pg/.
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>>140748913
This is going to be a strange journey.
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>>140749146
are you gonna be posting screenshots every other in game screen? come on man, just play the freaking game, don't be fishing for (You)s like an ADHD kid
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>>140749146
I believe in the cute velvet triplets.
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>>140749146
Are you going to make some metaironic Let's Play or something here?
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>trying to level endgame personas
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>>140749146
Yes, the arcana is the means by which all is revealed.
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>>140749146
I believe that no one wants to see you live blog your way through the worst game in the series.
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Wonder what exactly he means by this.
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These two will be a superhero crime fighting team that go to war with the Phantom Thieves in P5 screencap this.
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Huh. Didn't know this was one of those kinds of games.
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>>140749570
akihiko deserves a better pupil
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>>140748340
>>140749146
>>140749379
>>140749617
Here (You) go.
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>Pralaya
lol
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>>140749626
>dissing chee like that
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>>140749570
Speaking of actual capeshit, which superheroes would Persona characters be?

Mitsuru is obviously Batman as she is rich and has high tech gadgets from her own company.
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>>140749937
MC would be Jesus___ cause he's Jesus___________
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>>140749937
Mitsuru would be Satsuki.
no one cares about your DC Marvel stuff, nerd.
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>want to beat game to do fun shit in NG+
>but also want to fuse all of the endgame personas to satisfy my autism
wat do
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>>140749937
Yu - Supes
Chie - Wonder Woman
Yosuke - Captain Ressentiment
Ken - Shazam
Teddie - Martian Manhunter
Sho - Goku :^)
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>only cancer who started playing persona shit after 2010 posting here now
Just end this general already.
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>>140750492
>Teddie - Martian Manhunter
>Manhunter
kek
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98 hours and a stream ain't one
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>>140750492
Also as an added bonus
Wheelchair waifu in P5 - Cyborg

>>140750612
Is that wrong? I'm more of a marvel guy.
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>>140750827
I was making a funny gay joke.
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>>140728456
mind sharing the decent ones? also sauce?
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>>140750179
There is no fun shit to do in NG+
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>>140750910
Stop that, that's Morganna's schtick
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Guys, I didn't even charge you that much if you did my social link.

I just wanted you to help people.

You didn't do any of the quests?

Oh, o-ok.
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>>140751517
*yip*, motherfucker
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Is there some Persona character who can beat MC?

I'm not talking about Thanatos MC. I'm not talking about Messiah MC either. Hell, I'm not even talking about Messiah level 99 MC with the Omnipotent Orb and Orb of truth (being capable of both mid-battle fusion and mid-battle compendium summoning), equipped with his Gekkoukan Uniform, a perfect fusion weapon, control of Arm Master and Spell Master, with Nyarlotehp's DNA implanted in him so he has poer boost from Daddy Issues and can perform Prelaya while being an expert in Loginus' Spear use.
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>>140751517

Fuck off
I hated you and your quests
I did literally none of them because I couldn't even fucking remember that you existed
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>>140751836
i'd like to loginus spear MC in his butt xD
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>>140751976
>he never fucked the fox
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>Shadow Aigis' intro for Persona 4 Arena Ultimax shows her with a black butterfly, Nyarlathotep's symbol. Despite this, he has no role in the story.

So best Persona villain has become just another meme reference.
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>>140752286
he's back for p5, what more do you want?
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>>140752286
the whole 1-2 cosmology was stripped out
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>>140751836
Maki
Philemon
Nyarly
Aigis
Yu, unfortunately.
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>>140752412
Is this some "Arsene is Nyarly is disguise" meme?
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>>140752286
Nyarly as a present character was never meant to last

Having the same ultimate overarching antagonist for 4+ games with unrelated casts and stories over a span of 20 years would be the most trite thing ever
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>>140752490
Phantom is likely to surpass MC power level wise as well.
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>>140751517
>a social link with a fox
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>>140752576
He doesn't have to be the main villain. Just let the big bad be related to him the same way the main characters are related to Philemon.
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