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do not want edition

>Official Update / Patch Notes for Sims 4:
http://help.ea.com/en/article/the-sims-4-updates/
http://www.thesims.com/news

>Frequently Asked Questions and Cheats (Read before asking questions):
http://pastebin.com/i7SA5gWP (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed)

>Game Cracks/Fixes(WIP):
http://pastebin.com/YT50iJxC (embed)

>/tsg/ Booru:
http://tsg.booru.org/index.php

>Sim and Lot Sharing:
- Upload to the gallery with #ts4vg.
- For those who didn't buy: http://modthesims.info/showthread.php?t=531149

>Finding, Installing, and Organizing Custom Content:
- Maxis Match Content for Sims 4: http://pastebin.com/PsF87UsP (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed)
- Sims 3 and 4: http://pastebin.com/u9DHZCxx (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed)
- Sims 2: http://pastebin.com/mM9fkQma (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed)
- Lewd CC: http://pastebin.com/8thP4Wcp (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed)
- Decent Mods List (WIP): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uo3Tgrc3aQ25V-i5pfK8g4JUEqGhL7tlL9Gvi7hhdeo/edit#

>Legacy Challenges:
http://pastebin.com/RppDVd44 (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed)

>/tsg/ Town Version V3 (Requires Everything Up to Spa Day)
Mediafire: http://pastebin.com/aQj7Kp9M (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed)
Mega: http://pastebin.com/u0ScWcRd (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed)

>Claude's Sim Megapack V2 (same CC as /tsg/town, tons of sims)
http://pastebin.com/ALvRNUrE (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed)
>Archive:
- Outdated /s3g/ gdrive: http://gdriv.es/s3g/
- OP Template Resources: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/xfes0e760tkoojt/AACwI8al4j9fDCDCznxvCjwPa?dl=0
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How do I convert a Sims 3 skin to Sims 4? There's one I really, really want.
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Goths are now in police force.

It's not enough to be wealthy, I guess.
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>>127254345

>"Eliza these some nasty ass pancakes I hate u so much but the pussy game ridiculous"
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Why are no good burn scars for Sims 4 yet?
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Time to play the Asylum Challenge.
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Poor Mika, she has to sneak into to other peoples houses just so she doesnt explode from overheating.
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>>127264673
For how long is she going to be a teenager?
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>>127266023
I have a long lifespan on so about 40 sims days. I play for a story so I tend to get attached to a character. I mean I played Betty for a very long time and still do sometimes.
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I'm gonna reinstall Sims 3.

I have a feeling it won't be worth it though.

Which expansions are considered the worst in terms of the horrible stutter and routing issues that make the game nigh unplayable? Pets I'd assume is one of them?
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>>127266870
Island Paradise I keep hearing is the most problematic expansion. Never played 3, just what I keep reading.
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>>127261705
Meet Jaxson Jaeger, Voted Most Likely to Fight His Own Reflection for three years running.
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>>127267519
how many sims you gonna put in the home?
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>>127266870
Supernaturals, because hordes of zombies.
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>>127267960
you can shut that off in the options menu
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>>127267791
There are eight.
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>>127267960
>>127268276

>Installed Supernatural way back when
>Didn't know how the zombie thing worked
>Got super pissed off at them eating my plants and raising hell all night around the house
>Started shooting the fuckers with the Desecrate gun mod
>Didn't realize those were actually normal townies with zombie AIDS or whatever
>Had killed off roughly a quarter of Sunset Valley's population by this point
>mfw
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>>127267470

I'll definitely keep Island Paradise off the install list.
I can't even remember what it adds beyond hotels and houseboats and water-based travel.
Don't need any of that shit.

Its a shame my standards have gone up so much since upgrading my computer. The game was just getting too hard to play when everything else ran so beautifully and looked so much better too.
Maybe having not played in so long will make playing it easier.
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>>127267470
>>127269728
I thought it was just the town Islo Paradiso that was shit, not the expansion. Even if you don't care about the water stuff, just being able to own multiple properties and build foundations over water is nice.
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>>127269974
Hrmm, well in that case maybe I will keep it.

I'll probably skip Showtime, worthless expansion.
I'm torn on Pets. I really underused it when I got it. Not sure why. Horses were really annoying though.
I'll probably pass on Into The Future though I will miss those sweet, sweet Simbots.

Can't think of what else I don't want or am iffy on really.
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>>127270796
A bunch of the venues in many worlds are specific to showtime. Still not worth it. I really wish I had that fucking driving range though.
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>>127271152

Were the arm grabby game machines from Showtime?
I'll miss those but still not worth it.
I couldn't stand the constant singing from townies.
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>>127270796
i think you can remove horse spawns with some nraas mod
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Any way to fix up the holes dogs leave in my yard?
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Anon-kun, you are such a good person, jesus christ!
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>For some reason my sims refuse to go outside in any form when a stray is outside
>Literally they just refuse to do it
>It calculates the command, then denies it with no X or anything
>This is preventing them from going to work
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>>127285874
Extreme zoophobia?
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>>127285976

[Screaming internally]
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>>127270796
>>127274775

Eh nevermind, think I'll just pass on reinstalling.
Seems like a fair amount of the expansions I'm missing were taken down from kat, and last I heard PB was dead or compromised.

Oh well, probably wouldn't be worth trying anyways.
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>>127286627
games4theworld
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I can't make a pretty sim for the life of me FUCK
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>>127293250
Just press random and fuck around until you find one that looks good
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>>127293250
I never can make normal nose for female sims. Every time it's the same shit - random nose looks almost okay, I change it a bit, it becomes worse, try to fix it, it's fucking ugly now.
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Why /vg/ is so fast? Aren't they supposed to JOIN THE FAMILY AT THE TABLE?
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>Make stairs
>AI can navigate up it
>But for some reason can't navigate back down
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>>127299727
all the neets are home dreading the new year
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>JOB KEEPS FORCING A HAIRSTYLE THAT BLEEDS ITS WAY INTO THE REST OF MY SIMS OUTFITS

WHYWHYWHYWHYWHYWHY
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This is the first time I got the Tragic Clown, from travelling with the LLAMA
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Goth starter kit
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>>127306674
Looks more like pretentious glamour bitch, desu.
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>>127301084
Is there another staircase directly above or below it? There's an ancient bug involving stairs running north-to-south (or something like that) relative to the lot facing, but I think it only happens with stacked stairs.
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>>127286627

Double that nevermind.
I reinstalled almost everything except shitty Showtime and 2 others I've yet to pirate.

3Booter + NRAAS just might save me from finding the game unplayable.

But god I forgot how slow the in-game clock goes even at highest speed. Especially after how lightning fast Sims 4's clock can go.
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>>127307545

Nah there wasn't. I ended up redoing it to have a bigger opening and two-tile stairs. All seems fine now.
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>>127254345
Why is every single couple interracial/gay/cucked
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>>127308107
Because it creates more drama.
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ten
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>>127308107
because they are trying to pander to tumblr crowds
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"Your creative abilities inspire those around you and make the world a more beautiful place, Eddie."
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>>127314883

Eddie you piece of shit
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>>127254345
Why do they not want the poor Syrian refugee?

Shame on you, OP. Shame.
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>>127306291

I'm not really afraid of clowns

But if that came screaming up to me on the street, I'd still run.
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>>127308107
>Interracial is still a term.
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>>127289547
what a qt gal

>tfw no pizza
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>>127319269

>pizza

Pizza night with the waifu is the best.

Not sure about that Sims 4 pizza though, I prefer thin crust.
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>>127319537
>tfw no pizza related expansion
i wish i had my pizza related sims 4 images
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>>127320749

You can always make more pizza related images.

... if your sims can manage to get their pizza from the delivery man without a routing glitch.
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0-4 get romantic with Nervous Subject
5-9 keep him in the friend zone

He really wants to get together with my sim, but look at this face, I don't know if I'm down with dating someone with downs
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>>127324479
Is he... inbred?
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>>127324996
He is the son of the Grim Reaper

http://sims.wikia.com/wiki/Nervous_Subject
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>>127325498

>reads through some of his family tree/history

Nervous Subject has really seen some shit.
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>>127325864
Yeah I know. He really wants to love my sim and have a family with her but I get the feeling he won't like it if I try according to his bio. They just live together right now as good friends because I saved him from the Beakers. But only after my sim married Loki and made a child with him, but then I realized he's kind of an asshole so I made him cheat with Circe and my sim kicked him out.

Now Nervous just kinda hangs around and helps take care of my baby and cooks and cleans while my sim is a crazy scientist.
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>>127261705
I did one of those in TS3. I built the asylum on two levels, connected by a lone elevator, for maximum pathing hilarity. It got so bad one of the uncontrollables starved to death. Have fun anon!
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>>127322337
I need to try to recover my save, and maybe recover my screenshots
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>>127330157

>that ps1 model

Jesus christ ea.
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Alright, reinstalled everything but Showtime.
Gonna start a legacy run.
What do?
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I need a reason to post all these screenshots of this face I made.
This thread is too dead to. :(
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>>127336857
buy a 40 x 40 lot and work your ass off without cheating. Live off the land.
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>>127338792
sure post more
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>>127336857

Uninstall it and play 4 instead.
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>>127339241
Alrighty.
What town should I play in?
I always default to Twinbrook but I think I'm bored of that place.

>>127343689
Nah, not until it gets more content. Games a serious drag right now.
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>>127344095
well, I use custom worlds. I have all the EA ones but I like worlds by My Sims Realty. I like Meadow Glen, Storybrook County and Evansdale County.

http://www.mysimrealty.com/
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>>127339241
how do you make 3 look like that?!
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>>127345808
lighting mods and sweet fx. Also to have a good rig to play it.
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>>127346256
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>>127341765
I think I'm just going to do what she's doing and sleep. .-.
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But here. You can have this one. :)
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page 10
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page 10

is it worth even saving anymore
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Rip in itty bitty pepperonis. ):
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>>127362170

Post content.
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where did all the namefags that kept the threads alive go?
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>>127365693
They wanted to play other games and saw thread was done for, so they left
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>>127365693
driven away
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These fucking animals keep pissing in the corner of my lot, so annoying. Thanks Sims 1
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I can honestly see the influence Sims 1 has had on Sims 4
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>>127364414
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>>127369818
I feel like this is the persistent theme of the thread
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>>127369818
>>127370021

s-s-s-spooky

Also fuckin' A, it's good to see some Sims 1!
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>>127364414

I would but I'm struggling to make a male sim in Sims 3 not look like complete shit.

Why is this so hard compared to females?
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>>127333095

They also have Pixel Ducks.

Quack, dammit!
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Page 10
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Live!
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>>127370696
It's because in Sims 3 they have really fat faces so it's harder to make them look more masculine. I have the same problem.
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>>127370696

>not look like complete shit
>sims 3

Give up.
I also give up on this general.
Rip, it was fun.
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Gaah, as if the bot arena task wasn't vague already. Now i have to find wild nanites and they just never appear.
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where is a torrent with all the sims 3 store content

the G4TW sims architect thing is down
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page 10
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why did they have to leave?
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>>127395960
Who? What?
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>>127397339

He means the avatarfags, probably.
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>>127397339
Namefags. He cannot post shit like "i want to kiss/lick/suck X's bodypart all day everyday" now and very sand about that.
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>>127398635
at least they kept things alive

these threads are dead and only exist because someone keeps bumping them from the last page
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>didn't play sims for about 2 weeks
>finally started it
>spent 10 minutes clicking "random" button
>every sim looks like shit
>presets are even worse
>exit
I used to like sims 4 cartoon-ish style. Dunno what's happening.
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I hate having ideas but no motivation to do the creation. I should be posting content.
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Hopefully the mods don't fuck up the game this time

>inb4 some anon comes in whining and trying to convince me that vanilla ts4 isn't a boring experience that leaves much to be desired
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>>127404618
is that a ghost nig norman?
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>>127404618
oh my I didnt know you made them too!
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>>127405612
It's Norman's father. He's not black though.

>>127405778
I've got most of the immediate family made. I think I even have a Katy Perry sim wandering around, but I don't remember.
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>>127406048
that is awesome man
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>>127404618

who is the old guy in the suit?
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Just made a new ts4 version of Cecilia

Time to get her and Miriam into a catfight
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>>127407031
Norman's sister's dad.
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>>127408714

...what.
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>>127407902
Where are the images.
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>>127409251
I will, once I try to figure out why I'm not getting either of the new maps
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>>127409190
What? They have the same mother but different fathers. Norman's dad became more powerful than you can possibly imagine, and his sister's dad escaped with his life.
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>Pokking around SunnyCC for mods for TS3
>Mfw I find some cool clothing set but it requires me to go to some awful blog on a literalwho site to download it
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>>127413838

>actually load it
>Site fails to load when scripts are on, turn them off
>Find out they want me to pay $13 to $22 for the fucking mods
>BUYING MODS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH9dnQfec9E
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Can someone quickly tell me what the hell the difference between a default skin and a non default skin is?
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>>127417018
default skin replaces the default skin

non-default skin adds a skin without overwriting the default skin
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>half nip girl moves into the neighborhood
>niggers already at the door within minutes to greet her into the neighborhood

Its like real life.
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New ts4 lifestate when?
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Is there a ts3 Miriam?
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>browsing hairs on tsr
>see this
God, why?
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>>127420723

>not making a metrosexual stylist sim for hilarity
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>>127420910
It isn't metrosexual or stylish. It isn't even funny. It's just ridiculous and looks bad. And you should feel bad if you like it.
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>>127421085

Honestly I only mentioned because the first thing that came to mind was "Wow this loos like a hairstyle perfect for making a satirical sim that's flamboyant and would be used for a /v/ Simposting thread."

That aside though, yeah it's an awful hair.
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I just added g4tw's GT to my game, will my mods still work?

(I don't have that many scripts, mostly hair and a skin pack)
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Voila

Feast your eyes on this, bitch

Notice me, lydianon-senpai
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>>127417018
default replaces the skin of ALL sims. Non-default only applies to select sims you make.
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>>127318825
You're right, it should be interspecies
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>>127424178
She's not good looking, anon.
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>>127420723
it looks like something from Jojo's
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>10
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>>127440687
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wub wub wub wuuuuuub wub
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>>127428385
How so?
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>>127447473
DJ Boob?
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>>127447473
is that top cc or have i been overlooking it?
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>>127449231

She's a nice busty townie I see wandering around sometimes.

>>127449405

It's actually part of a Full Body outfit that came with Get Together.
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What does Miriam look like as an adult?
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>>127314883
>Null-Ghost
My nigga
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fuck
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>tfw have GT
>tfw sims can't use kitchen at all
>all they do is move their arms for a split second and stand around being space occupiers, despite being able to watch TV
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>>127459732
Custom content conflicts famiglia, prime suspects are custom traits.
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>>127457670
>fuck

>"MMmHhHhHhmmm YEAAHH YEAAH BABY OOOH you're so much better than Mortimer!"
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>>127459873
All I have are custom skins and hair, I didn't think that Cazy's or Nightcrawler's hairs would be the problem, nor would Kijiko's skins
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Alright, finished reinstalling Sims 3.
I forgot all about these fucks though.
Now she just spends all her time at the park playing festival games.

All day. Every day. In costume.
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>>127462757
it did happen to me with a few hairs actually, probably something about outfits. Are you in club session mode when you tried that?
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>>127463806
No, I was in a house that i made my sims move in to.

>>127463732
Good god don't remind me of those fucks, they're so annoying
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>>127463732

Kill it before it yiffs somebody!
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>>127471879
He just got Peppered
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>>127463732
Does she, I thought they disappear right after they're done bringing you college stuff, or at least that they change to normal clothes.
I don't think I've ever seen them roaming around
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>>127254345
In Sims 3 has anyone ever encountered the problem where sims in a household just become unplayable?
earlier I loaded a save and one the sims of the household was just frozen in place and his portrait on the left was gone
loaded an earlier file and then the next time I opened the game all of the portraits on the left were gone and I couldn't do anything
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>>127472767

I've had issues where portaits disappear or turn gray and become unplayable. Its been so long I don't really remember how I solved it...
Did you try clearing your cache?
Do you have Overwatch? I think it can catch that bug...

>>127471879
Is this just a pose or that one mod I've heard about? Whats the name?
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>>127473448
alfiechan's animated woohoo+
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What's the easiest way to locate moonrocks on TS3? I want an ayylmao waifu but looking through the telescope has just given me like 12 different stars to name.
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>>127475409

The collection finder thingy in the aspiration rewards list.

Its pretty expensive but it shows all items of a chosen genre on the map, space rocks are included.
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>>127478350

>Not to insult you Lord Vader, but do you have any real idea how much that death star of yours even cost?
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>>127472429
It might be because of NRAAS Story Progression or something.
She was there for like 4 days but disappeared afterwards.

>>127478350
>Credits WILL do fine
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>>127471879

It looks like he'll be ready to leave in the morning. He's getting his shit packed tonight! Doh ho ho ho ho ho!
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Begone, page 10!
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>>127487783
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made all the exes I've had in my life. Mostly all came out spot on. Since bored feel free to ask whatever to try to keep this alive.
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>>127489474
>Since bored feel free to ask whatever to try to keep this alive.
Got any lewds?
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>>127489474
which one was the kindest?
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>>127490450
Indeed I do of some, but unlikely to let you look at them.
>>127490471
Its hard to decide but I'd say either the one on the far right which we will call C or the one in the middle which we will call Feeve. They were both sweethearts.
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>>127491348
>Indeed I do of some, but unlikely to let you look at them.
Not sure if you realize I mean your sims versions, not IRL mang.
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>>127491465
Yes and the same answer is for both I may in the future share those lewds though so just stick to these threads occasionally. I am so protective over them even Slick Rick can't touch em. He just looks from their living room window
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>>127485189
"Don't worry, I am from the internet"
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Also an update on Slicks Slickovia Progress.
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Welp, ts4 is fucked, back to ts3
>tfw I'm the only one who can tolerate the drop in frame rate and lag
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>>127494624
welcome back
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>>127267519
he's adorable
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>>127494152

31!

31 bastard children!

Ha! Ha! Ha!
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>>127494726
I'm not sure whether i should continue the story of Lydia and Cecilia, or go all the way back to Kalees
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>>127495234
kalees pleas
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>>127495493
She's rated the #1 normie repellent

And least likely for people to get the joke
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>>127495493
Also I forget, was it Claude that got triggered by her?
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>>127495170
they may be bastards, but some of them have better lives without Rick being involved. Face it Rick wouldn't be able to provide these kids a good life. That is why most ladies meet other men, which then raise ricks children. Also, sometimes Rick forgets who he's been with so step daughters are a thing. Example (all kids are Ricks):
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>>127496091
post pic please, i dunno who that is`
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Weird, cmar's pregnancy controller stopped working in my game
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>>127489474
are you going to make them fight to the death for your love
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>>127512443
>wave to a cute girl
>she didn't even notice
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>>127513836
It's good we have our imaginations and dreams to distract us from the pain of everyday life.
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>>127514809
;_;
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>>127512443
please post lewd images of mary
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>>127517454
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nothing like going to the old boneyard in your skivvies.
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I'm having some trouble getting a Plumbot to tutor Sims I gave it Limitless Learning and raised its Logic skill to 10, and gave it AI Angler and Steel Chef to give it a 10 in both Fishing and Cooking. However, it doesn't give me the option to tutor, even with Sentience installed. Any ideas? Is it just not possible for Plumbots to tutor Sims?
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>>127520287
http://www.carls-sims-3-guide.com/intothefuture/plumbots.php
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>>127520668
That was actually the first thing I checked, but I didn't find anything I was looking for.
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>>127520973
some skills need more than one trait chip to unlock for them to tutor, for instance they need the fishing chip to tutor fishing
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>>127521262
Did you even read his post?
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>>127521262
I know. That's why I had the fishing and cooking chips installed, but it just didn't work. Is there some other chip I need, like Simulated Emotions, or Friendly Functions, or something?
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>>127521395
yes I would try friendly functions.
>>127521376
sorry, its late and I missed it.
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>>127521575
Alright. I'll have to get a crystal flower planted and charge it up with kindness, but I'll check back in once I've tried it.
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>>127495493
Here

http://i.imgur.com/FbLyNii.jpg

Her description is basically 3 words. Backwoods virgin Mary
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>>127522464
How did you do that, and why did the Great Green Plumbob effectively rape a child?
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>tfw I want to get Get Together
>It's not on sale like all the other Sim stuff
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>>127522892
It's a relatively simple task, age her up into a teen temporarily, use Cmar's pregnancy controller to knock her up, then edit in cas back down to a child. It's like 3 steps., it's not that hard.

And the Great Green Plumbob works in mysterious ways, anon
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>>127522464
>http://i.imgur.com/FbLyNii.jpg
so this made claude angry?
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>>127522464
how could a backwoods family have a state of the art fridge. Also she got preggo from no woohoo?
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>>127524583
>got preggo from no woohoo
Yes. This is how Jesus was born, iirc.
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>>127524816
buit Mary wasnt THAT young
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>>127524916
Actually accounts have put the age of Mary at as young as 12 or 13
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>>127524583
>how could a backwoods family have a state of the art fridge

Ever heard of The Beverly Hillbillies?
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>>127524490
Basically
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>>127524490
>>127527252
?
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why won't claude come back?
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>>127527992
I think he is starting a you tube channel with some other regulars who left with him
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>>127528864
but why does that keep him from coming here?
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>>127529373
I think he's just taking a break from The Sims right now. I imagine he's still pretty deep into Fallout 4.
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>>127530285
Yep. He's put a lot of time into it.
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>>127496091
nah it was a lesser regular. the one who posted those shitty demon sims and that one cat girl
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>>127532791
>"lesser regular"
Good lord, seriously? This shit still goes on?
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Anyone currently has The Sims 2 with all expansions installed? I need some help with something.
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>>127534653
>goes on
im not sure anything goes on in these threads
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>>127541859
It's still not dead yet, though.
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>>127547174
so whats going on in her story?
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>>127547314
Nothing in particular. Just a sad lone wanna be goth artist who looks much more cheerful than she is supposed to be because sad trait isn't activated as often as I expected
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>>127548665
aw thats cute
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>>127534653
"Lesser regular" basically just means they've been here for less time or don't post their characters as much, not any kind of "inner circle" circle jerking thing or anything like that.

I barely post mine so I would consider myself one as well probably (I always forget to take screenshots while I play), but I've been here for awhile I guess
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haven't played in a long time, completely deleted all my CC and started fresh. are there actual folders or packs of hair, clutter, or anything really? I'm overwhelmed by all the CC, and I find it espeically irritating to download things like hair individually when I want a variety of different styles or whatever since I find the game's hair to be hideous greasy blobs most of the time. I'm just impatient to play I guess but I don't like playing without CC. I saw the link in OP, but I'm not really interested in downloading whole sims.
also, adfly is SO fucking annoying.
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>>127549253
For which game?
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>>127549326
sorry, 4. I have all the EPs/add ons whatever they want to call them now.
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>>127471879
>Using animated woohoo
>not Kinkyworld
It's almost like you don't want an automated story-progression-esque mod for controlling woohoo events and reactions for the entire town.

Catch up, /tsg/
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did they remove mods from the main menu? I updated my games it deactivated my mods, where do I go to reactivate them?
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>>127554153
In the same place in settings as before.
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>>127554153

Oh boy, get ready for broken game.
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>>127557683
Shit like this is why I'm waiting for Sims 4 to finish getting EPs before I move on from Sims 3.
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>>127266870
>>127267470
I'm also thinking of reinstalling Sims 3. Last time around I got EVERYTHING, and it crashed enough for me to give up, but I've got new specs now and I don't want to sacrifice any packs, so if I told someone here my specs, could they give me some advice? Thanks.
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>>127558197

If you want to, sure.

It doesn't really matter what kind of specs you have though, the game with all packs is still prone to crashing and stutter issues.

If you do reinstall, get 3Booter + 3Booter's FPS limiter so you don't murder your graphics card.
Also get NRAAS Error Trap and Overwatch to help with bugs, routing issues, general lag-causers, etc.
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