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Dominions is a fantasy turn-based strategy game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.
The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 2800 units, 800 spells and 300 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them.
It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.
Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a strategy game.
>Steamgroup
Join the steamgroup for multiplayer
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya
>Group chatroom
steam://friends/joinchat/103582791434709795
>Our work-in-progress wiki
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Dominions_4_Wiki
>Dom4 Manual
http://jaffa.illwinter.com/dom4/manual_dom4.pdf
>Dom4 Inspector
This is a community resource that has every unit, spell, and item in the game in an accessible database.
http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/
>Play by email guide:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=202096551
>Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/JMmSrpdE
>Debug Mod:
For testing battle formations and spells
http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/debug-mod
>Where do I get it?
It is available on Gamersgate and Steam. Desura is ded.
>THE BASICS
>Read the manual
>Read the pastebin
>Read the memes
Submit completed games here:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1jHX_ZoJi6zIvDq6ANdp-W1Y89W5_fmShuDyHmAj5qC4/viewform
Results Here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dlrvyEqLFYIaXRc49TheMmfdoP8jEh1m5rZJHJAzDWQ/edit?usp=sharing
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=CliffsOfDivinity
game is UP.
Still deciding whether graphs on is a good idea or not, my brain says that having them on helps people determine other nations power levels, but my heart says fuck that let's play dominos.
Descriptions: http://pastebin.com/mrvuSNzH
>>125818681
>giving delays for individual players is a good way to grind a game to a halt
Not giving delays to players who politely ask for them in advance, especially around the holiday season, is a good way to lose players.
>>125820705
When is this game starting? If it's after Christmas I'll join.
>>125820705
The link to the nationgen mod on the game page doesn't seem to be working.
>>125821163
strange so it isn't.
https://mega.nz/#!8QxkGahA!pzw_jhSnjaggqDfmVBqXGqhvQiu7urRt13nOolshC6s
>>125821024
probably not until after christmas, I can always give extensions if you're worried about it.
>>125819197
it took me all of ten minutes to edit out the changes that could cause issues.
https://mega.nz/#!JcAAFZLI!nxZqmB5wjBSSVZNnU5nPlqXTVbzEvOpI6XcA4mGmVj4
How's D4N9 as a cavalry bless, or in general.
>>125822886
not terrible, though it sounds expensive on anything not a tree.
>>125823073
That's what he said...
>>125823073
u wat m8
>>125823169
>>125823194I misread the N as a B
>>125820705
so what are these all new nations i've never seen before
Are there plans to make a databse for CoE4 the way there is that inspector database for Dom3 and 4?
I feel like CoE needs it even more since there's such a breadth of rituals and spells and shit.
>>125825908
nation gen
>>125825908
Nationgen ones, that don't seem like he's pruned then for some stupidly powerfull stuff.
>>125825908
Nation Gen nations.
Basically take a bunch of individual elements from units then throw them together until you get shit like moose riding hoburgs that turn into fire elementals when they die.
>>125826009
>>125826041
>>125826076
sounds like a clusterfuck
>>125826041
>stupidly powerfull stuff
Like what?
I've been browsing the nations and there are definitely some significant power gaps, but I haven't seen anything yet that's blatantly OP.
>>125826235
Last one was
>>125826235
That's what makes it fun.
It's much less predictable than regular games.
>>125826305
Awe 2 burds are normal non-sacred infantry?
Beserk 5 non-cap sacred bats with a giant sword?
Nude sacred-sobeks non-cap with length 6 +2 attack magic wekening pikes?
>>125826576
the only one of those three that actually worried me were the awe 2 burds, and I can just not let anyone use those if enough people are worried about them.
I actually genned over 125 nations and cut it down to the 40 or so that actually looked interesting to play, like the shitastic hoburg nation or the sobek edge nation, I'm sure I could have gotten some fun stuff if I had made more.
>>125826576
>Awe 2 burds are normal non-sacred infantry?
These definitely look OP, yeah. High cost, but Awe 2 on everything is crazy.
>Beserk 5 non-cap sacred bats with a giant sword?
They don't have a giant sword unless I'm looking at the wrong unit (Mahuattlan Shadow Templar?). Berserk is somewhat less of an issue on a bat since it will usually dodge or die rather than get hit and get mad. Not to mention they cost 4 times as much as any other unit in their national lineup.
>Nude sacred-sobeks non-cap with length 6 +2 attack magic wekening pikes?
They're not Sobeks, just regular lizards. Though aguably that makes them better since it means 3 pikes per square instead of 2. Definitely a powerful unit, but the rest of their lineup is kinda crappy and they're almost entirely restricted to blood magic outside of randoms and a StR cap-only D2/3.
All three seem really powerful, but unless I'm seriously misjudging these nations (which I admit is possible) apart from the birds I wouldn't say they're OP.
>>125827979
>the shitastic hoburg nation
Which one?
Tougalm looks pretty boss, even if they're lacking in variety a bit (no variety outside of randoms seems a bit of a nationgen theme). Hoburg Necromancers reminds me of CoE.
when i first started playing this game I didn't really think it was hard I just thought it was tedious every turn going to each place and managing everything. but I thought maybe I was missing something and thats why it didnt seem hard
what exactly is hard about this game to most people? about 2 jump in again and debating on whether or not to read guide.
>>125828701
It's not a very hard game, the only 'hard' part is coming to grips with its complexity and sometimes poor UI. If you play singleplayer, the game will pretty much never be hard after you learn the basics. That's why 99% of this general is about the multiplayer. Playing against other people is as hard as your sopponent can make it.
>>125828538
Nairobach, they've got no good troops and their mage line up is just so-so.
It's absolutely no coincidence that when I look at the nations already in the game, two of them have armoured dual-wielding sacred minotaurs.
GL whoever joins that game.
>>125828701
Nothing is 'hard' about singleplayer.
The actual game is in MP - the AI doesn't use magic or tactics or anything at all, really.
>>125828969
thats what i kinda figured. So its easy-ish to get into but actually getting good at it takes awhile. i can see that.
>>125829156
Their Senior Tideshaper has a good chance of being a RoS spammer. Though with 5HP spamming RoS probably isn't the healthiest strategy...
>>125829565
Honestly I picked Gythmatia because Minotaur assassins seemed wack.And steathy minotaurs.
>>125829565
I picked Helleene for redonkulous Communion shenanigans.
the same bless just happens to go well with their sacreds.they won't use the dualweild unless they're up against something bigger than them anyways so it's probably a downside more than anything.
>tfw the computer is stupid as fuck in COE4 but you still lose 50% of the time anyways
Allow me to add to the minotaur madness.
Now we just need someone to pick Heth.
>>125829776
>>125830008
They trample anything smaller than them, and instantly murder anything the same size or bigger with a barrage of attacks. With being sacred, their upkeep is manageable, and with a single bless - e9 - they walked through lance attacks with no shits given. There's very few nations that will stand up to them in the earlygame - and they have excellent mages, so they will do fine in the midgame and lategame as well - not to mention that minotaurs take to being buffed like a duck takes to water, which is to say, there is a lot of splashing and honking.
>>125831641
helth has rec anywhere sacred minos with 2 attacks who only cost 45g each.
they also have meh mages though, which isn't to say they have bad mages just nothing really interesting.
>>125831641
>>125832176
And so begins the age of Minotaur.I bet bats win.
Does perpetual storm stop cloud trapezes and does it cause flying movement taken that turn to not work? I'm guessing not.
>spend forever travelling to an ancient forest
>get there
>see this
>>125832804
forgot pic
>>125832491
Name your pretender Lord Sartek please.
>>125820893
It's not the holidays yet. There are 28 players. If you give a two day extension to every player, the game takes an extra 2 months. Get a sub for one turn.
>>125833826I don't get the reference.
>>125828701
Were you playing against people?
Dominions AI is really bad. The only tactic it ever uses is hordes of chaff.
>>125834216
In the lore game series 'Warlords' and its RTS spinoff 'Warlords Battlecry,' one of the horsemen of the apocalypse, Lord Sartek, created the minotaur and then began corrupting other races into twisted halfmen. The minotaur have a blood cult with extensive sacrificing and lots of fun blood related lines similar to the WH Chaos faction (Blood and Bone for my Lord Sartek! etc)
>>125834406
in the lore of the game series*
>>125832545
No idea about trapeze, (i'd assume it does), but flying movement taken the turn it is cast does not resolve. The storm goes up in the magic phase (most globals don't), and regular movement resolves after that.
>>125834406
Gotta make a warlords-related game sometime. And name my thugLord Bane the Bane Lord
>>125834406
That's cooler than my shitty minotaur pun that was the name before
>>125834589
It does not stop Cloud Trapeze, but you're right on the flying bit (incidentally, this info is already in the wiki)
>>125834628But then how can he be your master lich pretender?
>>125834589
So, any flying units just stay in the same province they were in originally? That's pretty handy.
>>125834795
If they were capable of moving to their targeted province without flying, they still go there. Typically they lose 1 map move and naturally they lose the terrain immunity and ability to attack non-adjacent provinces.
If your minotaur don't get drunk off fermented blood, they aren't minotaur I recognize.
>>125833909
there are 28 players, if you didn't expect it to grind to a halt at least occasionally, you shouldn't have joined.
>>125833909
are by chance in stalewarriors?
>>125835227
*are you by chance
>>125835227
>>125835039
Not in stale warriors, but in the well-run 20+ person games, a rule has generally been no extensions until around mid game.
Seriously. Get a sub for one turn instead of stopping the game for 27 other people. It's good manners.
>>125836168
Good manners would be not whining like a little bitch every single time a turn is postponed. Seriously, people have lives, and emergencies - if you don't, that's fine, join more games. Don't be an asshole in the thread demanding people stale so you can have turns faster and a bigger chance of victory.
>>125836491
Get a sub. Emergencies are one thing, and I understand that, but this is something he knew about in advance. Having a life shouldn't keep you from getting a sub. Seriously. Large games don't work well if players rely on the admin for delays. If every person asks for a delay every 25 turns, you halve the speed of the game.
>>125837325
instead of demanding that he suck it up and get a sub, I'm going to demand that you suck it up and deal with not having a turn in that one game for a couple of days.
and at least 2 people in this thread are calling you on your bitching.
>>125837325
I'm perfectly fine waiting, seem like most others are too. Finding a sub isn't exactly easy here since no one wants to do it, just let it happen.
>>125837325
So you're saying big games are slow? Wow.
Having someone have to grok your nation and not get all your shit killed is a huge amount of effort for exactly one turn. I actually know people who play dominions, not the most common state of affairs, and I wouldn't ask them to do that.
If you are super anal about game speed, join smaller games. And be utterly aware that it's not reasonable or normal to obsess about game speed in a fucking pbem. If you are super bored and have nothing to do in your life, join more games. Then you'll have turns even if one gets delayed! And won't have to shit up the thread with whining baby tantrums.
>>125836168
I think it's a special case around this time, this month. I know some families do christmas early on the preceding weekend or have multiple celebrations with different sides of the family.
I don't intend to make a habit of delays but we've been running pretty well on schedule so far.
If you feel your motivation slipping, embrace the words of Sir Arthur Clough
'SAY not the struggle naught availeth,
The labour and the wounds are vain,
The enemy faints not, nor faileth,
And as things have been they remain.
If hopes were dupes, fears may be liars;
It may be, in yon smoke conceal'd,
Your comrades chase e'en now the fliers,
And, but for you, possess the field.
For while the tired waves, vainly breaking,
Seem here no painful inch to gain,
Far back, through creeks and inlets making,
Comes silent, flooding in, the main.
And not by eastern windows only,
When daylight comes, comes in the light;
In front the sun climbs slow, how slowly!
But westward, look, the land is bright!'
What does domg think? For MA Abysia.
>>125838752
I'd drop at least one, probably 2, points of productions for magic.
Abysian troops are actually gold expensive enough you'll run out of gold before resources even at production 1, and abysia's research is awful.
>>125838752
>MA Abysia.
Enjoy having 185 gold / 9 research as your most efficient lab rat outside of your cap
I'm glad I decided to stick around for one more turn.
>>125840097
Somebody explain to me why I keep seeing screens of people attacking hostile capitals with their own pretenders.
>>125840410
Ur doesn't risk path-loss, and can call gods rapidly.
>>125838752
It's not good. You don't get great booster access, and you can't cast much with it you couldn't already cast because it has shitty slots. It mostly just opens up earth to you, but you can get up to E4 with a 30 gem empowerment and two boosters that empowerment will let you forge.
An E4S4B4x1 warlock can get the same domstrength, same scales, and will actually be able to move and use more boosters. Dropping to Dom6 gets you a ton more paths, too.
>>125840410
using your pretender at a hostile cap can be game changing, both ways, if they're just standing in the back putting up buffs (fog warriors, Weapons of sharpness, Doom, etc) then they're fine.
>>125838752
It's nothing terrible, I guess. 3 prod is a tad high, and 5 blood is pointless for an imprisoned pretender. But really, your biggest mistake is playing MA Abysia.
>>125840097
I watched that, easily the second most shocking thing this turn. TNNs defense against Abysia's was the most, since it wound up with Abysia's line of retreat cut again.
This time it was me though, instead of TNN's stealth Gelly Cubes.
Sorry Jomon Bogarus got to them first. I can pay you for 1 or 2 but outside of that I can pay in straight up gold or Fire gems.
>>125842197
Ya gave me the ol' spicy keychain
>>125839545
>>125840848
>>125841498
You all make very good points. How about this?
I'm not sure what path Abysia would benefit most from in addition to Earth. I picked nature since that gives access to a lot of helpful items
>>125842945
I am curious about retreat mechanics. Are you able to retreat into a fort under siege? What about stealthy units, can they do it if others can't?
>>125843123
Honestly, if you're already running Order 3, I'd take 2 points of misfortune and go either Growth 3/Magic 2 or Growth 2/Magic 3
Having gone Order 3/Misfortune 2 quite a few times, it's honestly not that bad compared to Luck, which can still give you bad events.
>>125843148
I don't know about stealthy units, but my retreating units ate serious shit and died
>>125843148
Sieged forts basically count as 'adjacent' for the purposes of retreat when a battle is being fought outside of the fortress, so if you have other owned provinces adjacent to the fort, your units might retreat there or they might retreat back inside. When fighting adjacent to a sieged fort, you cannot retreat inside of it unless you have stealth. Stealthy units can retreat into a fort under siege, but get no other benefits from retreating. Flying units do not get terrain bonuses for retreating (ie - they die if the only border is a closed mountain pass or unfrozen river if the unit is not amphibious). Amphibious units do, and give equal weight to adjacent water provinces and provinces separated by a river border etc.
how can I set a ritual to repeat cast?
>>125843556
Shift M
>>125843297
I've just realised Abysia don't get income bonuses for Grown scales.
Is growth 2 still worth it to keep my old fart mages from dying?
>>125844053
high growth is mandatory because you not only have old age mages that are very very old, but you also want to be bloodhunting constantly. both of these needs growth2 at least.
How does anyone put up with Ohlmann? I was trying to read a handful of the discussions on Desura just to expand my thinking on a few nations and I can't read through one page without him screeching like a kid with downs.
>>125844053
When I create a pretender for Abysia, I seem to get the income bonus. What I don't get, however, is the supply bonus, but whatever.
>>125844053
>>125844707
Even if you don't get the income bonus, you still get the population increase, and that increases your income as well.
>>125844160
I remember that he is a fellow autist, just slightly more so than I am.
![_1413419123[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Omhixut.jpg "_1413419123[1].jpg")
>Conquest of Elysium 4.07 Community Announcements - johan
>The Senator can now become a Dark Emperor instead of the normal Emperor under some circumstances.
What did he mean by this?
>>125845683
it's treason, then
>>125845683
The senator can become a dark emperorin extraplanar capitals.
>>125845928
Or in haunted capitolium in the fall of empire.
>>125842197
I hope someone will post a report, because I want to see what tops that amazing[ly lucky] battle.
>>125850175
not pictured: my pathetic attempt to use elephants resulting in them trampling over my archers before they get anywhere near the wall
not pictured: my Wyrm pretender and child of anthrax prophet dying like retards after retreating
will sadly never be pictured: me casting heat from hell and grip of winter in the same battle
>>125845418
>>125844707
I decided to check. Looks like you do.
I didn't know that you get one gold per 100 pop. I'm not sure how supplies are calculated.
>>125850987
You would have won if you just left the elephants outside. Sad times.
>>125850175
I never said it was more impressive, only more shocking. It has less to do with the result of the battle, and more to do with the fact that Abysia lost EVERYTHING because TNN fended him off here, and I cut his line of retreat.
This was completely uncoordinated; I've been at war with TNN since ever.
>>125851084
Supplies scale partially based on population. That's what raises the supplies there. Normally growth scales increase the supplies by more.
On the up side though, I finally figured out how many Mind Hunts it takes to get to the center of an elf.
>>125851179
Ok, I'll see if I can update the wiki
>>125851108
shedding lava tears mate
If I'm taking drain 3, is it a good idea to take luck 3 as well to minimize chances of the "magic is fading" event? I really don't feel like losing hundreds of gems.
>>125852387
The correct answer is to super micro, handing off all your gems to random researchers. IIRC, the magic is fading event only takes away gems in your lab. They're (relatively) safe if they're on units.
>>125852461
damn nigga this a good idea, thanks.
>>125852461
And then Fires from Afar kills 90 gems.
>>125852387
Avoiding misfortune removes the most common of those events.
Luck might actually make it worse since it increases event frequency. In any case, it's not the best scale if you're taking drain.
Are you sure drain 3 is the best scale for you to take? Most nations really don't like it.
>>125852461
>>125852627
This much micro will make you hate your life.
>>125852659
>>125852818
avoiding micro is like 90% of the strategy of this game
shitters like caldius who want you to micro everything and test everything for 'more victories' literally miss the point and are the opposite of role models
how to break into blood magic with my ancient tree with 1 blood magic
Why is Lemuria so shit? All I can do is zerg out hundreds of shitty dispossessed spirits that not only do 0 damage, but only have a 75% chance to not die in one hit.
>>125852818
The "magic is fading" events are drain events independent of misfortune that remove 53 x 2d6 gems from your lab, and you're 3x as likely to get them with drain 3 as opposed to drain 1.
>>125853175
I see your metagaming. You're just saying that to make other people play worse so that you can win more games.
>>125853305
If you have just the tree, the best option is probably not to do it. Bloodhunters are hard to get for non-blod nations. The best use is probably just to bloodhunt with the tree and empower him a couple times, but instead of using your slaves to try and break into blood you use them to craft boosters like Armour of Thorns or maybe Bloodstones if you can empower an E mage. Those don't require you to invest research into a school that you'll most likely hardly ge to use, while being a great asset nonetheless.
>>125853345
There are 4 such events.
3 are uncommon bad and only depend on drain.
1 is common bad and depends on heavy drain plus misfortune.
Luck 0 avoids the worst of the 4 events already.
>remove 53 x 2d6 gems from your lab
I'm fairly sure 53 is a special code signifying that it takes 2d6 of each gem type. Still very bad, but not quite as bad as it looks.
>>125853852
It's worth noting, though, that there's a fairly common bad event which reduces luck scales, whereas things that apply drain are comparatively rare.
>>125853852
>all gemloss events require a lab
The answer is clear! Destroy your starting lab and never build any new ones, and you're completely safe from gemloss!
>>125853326
Mages, mages, mages, and dompushing for that immortality
>>125853965
BRILLIANT
>>125829578
>actually getting good at it takes awhile
Nobody's done it yet.
>>125857647
>>125853965
ALL THE GEMS
>thread about to 404 again
I hate this.
>>125860214
The start talking about Dominions
>>125860687
ridiculous
I'm putting an immobile pretender underwater and I realized how stupid the whole thing is. It's literally a piece of sentient furniture, but to prevent it from drowning I need to give it a water breathing item. So I give it pills. Yes, pills. The fountain is for some reason going to drown when it gets water in its water, but sprinkle some pills on it and suddenly it's a-okay.
>>125860808
Okay, then just post some memes
>>125860901
Reminds me of the time I teleported my Fountain underwater thinking that, as an inanimate object, it wouldn't drown.
Of course the damned thing isn't explicitly amphibious, so the next turn I get a message it drowned anyway.
>>125861018
I actually read that post. I probably would have known to look for the tag without it (ever since I learned that Golems are not stone creatures and can be petrified, I've been doing that), but it was nice to have confirmation that yes, my fountain does need pills dumped on it for some reason for its undersea adventure.
>>125860902
now you're thinking with your noggin
>>125860902
I like how the nations getting mad at the BoT are some of the best nations at killing Ermor. Serves them right for not killing Ermor first.
Anyone got any gifs or webms of Arena battles?
>>125861241
Nope
>>125860902
>>125860902
We really need that drawfag to redraw the old lich design and get it in line with the recent sprite update,
I really appreciate the anon who recommended me Prince of Nothing. I've read a lot of fantasy from Wolfe to Peake, but this is one of my favorites now.
Can only blood or death mages lead demons?
I have a few, but They're stuck to a mage with undead command +10
>>125861728
Speaking of fantasy fiction, ever notice how much inspiration Dominions has from Wheel of Time?
>>125861827
Other than MA Man, not really so much.
>>125861864
Astral Communions are pretty much linking the way they're done in Dominions. Also, there's quite a bit of reference to WoT in the names of stock map provinces. There were other things but I can't remember them at the moment. Still, I think the devs are big WoT fans.
>>125862107
Oh and the whole "The Wheel turns" message you get in the beginning of every game.
All right, I managed to take a turn for All_Yesterdays and SkeletonsBeScary, so hopefully I'll be back before the next turn stales, but nonetheless I'm going to repost my request one last time before I leave the house in case some of the admins didn't see the previous one.
I won't be able to play the rest of today and tomorrow, so I'm going to pre-emptively request an extension for the following games:
>All_Yesterdays (Helheim)
>Crapaclysm (White)
>GopherHolesDeluxe (Lanka)
>MastersofMoM (Ragha)
>PlayfulUmor (Pythium)
>SkellingtonsBeScary (Asphodel)
I already stuck around a bit longer than I should have, waiting for turns, and I'll do my best to get home as early as possible so there's a chance I won't even need the extension, but I'd be very grateful to get one should I need it.
>>125862324
I'll wait in case you end up not needing it, but rest assured I'll keep an eye on submissions when the turn rolls around and extend 24 hours if there are stragglers
>>125861821
There are some other options, depending on what magic you have available.
Mound Kings (or other undead commanders) usually have good undead leadership. Sleepers are an expensive option, but they can also lead magical and normal troops with large morale bonuses.
If you have only blood magic, there's always Horde from Hell. It summons a commander Devil with 40 leadership (also a bunch of shitty imps). It's mainly used if you need flying leadership, but it could act as a commander for non-flying demons too.
>>125862107
Fantasy is incestuous. Astral Communions likely hail from Ars Magica (and other games of that era's) Wizard's Communion spell - when a bunch of mages use Vim magic (also gives you magical cancer via firing magic at you, fatigues you, makes other mages' vim spells stronger, and is associated with the heavens/moonlight, is 'pure magic' - aka it's fucking astral magic) to add together and make one mage(s) stronger.
Melding magic together to maek big magic is not something wot does more or at all compared to other fantasy things.
>>125862169
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_of_time
It was a saying and a concept a long time before Robert Jordan used it as a series title for his fairly generic reader insertion fantasy series.
Odds are good in dominions that when something is a mythology and also a modern fantasy/sci fi/nerd whatever, it actually came from the mythology, and not the modern fantasy/sci fi/nerd whatever.
>>125863070
when the features are clustered similarly in two works, that says more than the intertextual neutrality in suggesting the wheel concept could have come from Wheel of Time, Shakespeare, or ancient Sumerian heiroglyphics freshly translated by illwinter
>>125863070
>The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again.
Every WoT book begins with that.
>Now the Wheel has turned once more...
Every Dom4 games starts with that.
Clearly, this is supposed to be a reference.
>>125863780
It's a reference in that they're both referencing the same concept, of time being cyclical and represented by a turning wheel, each turn of the wheel being essentially a repetition of the last.
Like that guy said, that's a very old concept and neither WoT nor Dominions came up with it.
>>125863892
The way it's phrased, where it's placed and the fact that there are other references from WoT in Dominions means that that specific phrase is likely to be a reference to the books rather than just the concept.
>>125863950
Are you dumb?
>>125864034
Are you? I knew a guy like you once, he once kept insisting that the movie 300 is inspired by the older film The 300 Spartans even though I told him numerous times that it was based directly on the graphic novel of the same name.
There is a logical chain of events that transpired. Robert Jordan obviously got the Wheel of Time concept from mythology/religion, but the Illwinter clearly added that phrase at the beginning of every game as a small reference to the books and not just as a reference to mythology.
>>125864228
I'll take that as a "yes."
>>125864265
Indeed you are.
>>125863950
>and the fact that there are other references from WoT in Dominions
See >>125863070
>>125864228
It's a reference to how ingame the cycle of someone becoming Pankoman, ruling the world, and then fucking off and leaving the rest to fight over who becomes the next Pankoman, is an eternal cycle. It's not a reference to some shitty children's book, you nerd.
Just because they both use the phrase "the wheel turns" isn't any indication that one references the other since that's an incredibly old and common concept.
>>125864228
>Robert Jordan got his ideas from mythology
>but a game literally based on mythology using a similar idea must have ripped it from some fantasy novel
>>125864368
>>125864372
MA Man at the very least is a complete reference to WoT's Tar Valon. Also, there are tons of references to location names in randomized province names to WoT. The references are there, and so it's very likely that that phrase is also a reference.
>>125864478
Whatever, m8, just saying that the references are there no matter how much you get asspained about it.
I'm done with you guys, going to do my Cataclysm turn.
>>125864478
please tell us all the seminal texts that that use this concept as a framing device in this way
>>125864796
MA Man is a reference to the Arthurian legend though.
>>125864914
>Mother of Avalon
>Daughter of Avalon
>Three tests to go from Daughter to Mother
>Given a piece of clothing as a sign of her becoming a full fledged mage
>Mother travel the land and search for magic, help people and fight evil
>Mothers are accompanied by Wardens sword to protect them
>The Wardens themselves are enchanted by magic that make them superhuman
Oh yeah, no WoT references at all.
>>125865208
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon
kek
>>125865414
Yeah, no shit, still doesn't say anything about the points I've made. Tar Valon from the WoT books is also based on the Avalon myth btw, that's why I didn't make the Aes Sedai/Sidhe comparison.
>>125865208
God you're ignorant.
'Tor Valon' and all the rest of it is arthurian myth of avalon, that robert jordan transplanted whole into his books. It's even named the same fucking thing.
Longbowmen, Wardens of Avalon, the land previously of the sidhe and the de danann, it's goddamn british mythology, you cretin. Stop shoehorning your shitty fantasy novels into dominions.
>>125865727
I strongly suspect you are either talking to legitimate buffoons, or wily fellows who have devised a plan to bump an otherwise dead general by goading you into responding by merely pretending to be buffoons
>/domg/ trying to fight shitposting
>>125865831
I strongly suspect that you are sameposting.
Game is explicitly based on mythology. It copies things that have obviously mythological roots. Robert Jordan copies the same mythological thing (poorly). You claim the game is copying robert jordan.
Could not be more of a retarded fanboy.
>>125865998
>I strongly suspect that you are sameposting.
there's a way to check
you seem a little miffed your pet game draws on a fantasy series you don't like
>>125866134
Nerds being stupid about shit they obsess over (and wheel of time fanboys rank up there with star wars fans for obsessive bullshit) is incredibly obnoxious. When you enjoy niche shit, you have to put up with it. Over time, it becomes more and more annoying. If you want to fap excitedly about Robert Jordan, go to a goddamn robert jordan thread. Don't make me an unwilling participant to your masturbation.
>>125866321
pure irony
>>125865817
Again.
WoT
>Girls capable in becoming mages go to Tar Valon to learn magic
>They become students, are put in white dresses and are specifically called "daughters" by the full fledged mages
>When they are ready to become mages they go through 3 tests
>Once they pass those tests they are given a shawl of the color of Ajah they choose and can bind a Warder(s) to them which will give the man magically enhanced strength
>Those mage women then go out into the world and do all kinds of shit like search for magic, manipulate kings, help people fight off evil, etc.
Tell me where these exact things, which are so very similar to the Dom descriptions are shown in the Arthurian legend?
>>125866459
>pure shitposting
Making up puerile shit about dominions to justify your intense lust for robert jordan's undead penis is incredibly obnoxious. Inserting it into dominions in order to fanboy squeal all over a thread completely unrelated to teen fantasy novel series except via the names of well-known mythological figures and places is doubly obnoxious. You're not even trolling, which is the sad thing - you genuinely think, and will forever think, that anything even tangentially related to your favvurite series is referencing it and showing it's love for the thing you masturbate over six times a day.
>>125866756
tough break man
>>125866605
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_Goddess_%28Neopaganism%29
Daughter, Mother, Crone.
Acolytes of a faith wearing pure white is extremely common in many mythologies - white is associated with purity, and in many pagan 'wiccan'/celtic myths white is associated with the daughter or a lower ranked member of a coven, green or blue with a medium rank, and black with the highest ranks. Similar associations with the 'roles' of mother (green for fertility) and crone (black for death).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon
Avalon is known as a place of learning and abundance where great sorceresses and enchantresses live. This is the obvious source of MA Man's Avalon, and probably a source for the deeply unimaginative James Oliver Rigney Jr's 'Tor Valon'.
3 tests is a traditional arthurian trope - knights are often presented with three tests, and in the literature inspired by the initial arthurian legend, 3 tests face merlin and morgana, to name two famous magic users, before they can gain (or regain) their magical powers.
Celtic legend is particularly rife with witches/enchantresses/sorceresses messing with kings and searching for ancient magic. Male magic users are rare in those myths, as the male figures are usually warriors.
The reason you are drawing these false comparisons is that James Oliver Rigney Jr, aka Robert Jordan, liked to steal directly from mythology/other books and then mangle the names. Troll orcs. Naz-gul, Myr-draal. Etc. Wheel of Time stole concepts (the opening sentence in the books is I believe a famous quote from a piece of chinese mythology) including from mythology, dominions is explicitly from mythology, two mythologies does NOT make a reference.
>>125867328
Maybe you're right, but you have to see that what you're presenting is are general things common to Celtic mythology, which I'm not disputing were a influence on Robert Jordan's setting.
What I presented were exact things that are both the same in WoT and in the Dom descriptions. For instance, you didn't address the point about a Daughter being given with a piece of clothing (a dress), which is similar to what happens in WoT but with a shawl upon passing the three tests. Also, even if the 3 tests are a common trope in Celtic mythology, to show it as is in WoT and Dom as a final test for all student who wish to ascend to the next stage of their magic career is clearly not present in the legend. Also, you made no reference to Wardens and them being the personal enchanted superhuman guards to the Witches. Show me where they are presented this way in the legend, because this is exactly the way they are presented in WoT.
>When you misclick and most of your army defends instead of attacking
RIP soulless
>>125868378
>When you forget to CRTL-move and none of your mages / a large part of your army don't show up for the fight.
>>125868378
Oh actually it was just a turn revision that I forgot to upload
Double whoops
i want stalewarriors ermor to come back and sperg some more
Im playing as EA agartha in a game that began a little while ago and I have just seen the summons "cave crubs".
They are a bit expensive, but they seem like incredible hp pools to protect Olms (even if crubs are indisciplined, they are slow enough to let your olms. Attack some turns before engaging in melee combat.
They are probably bad vs archers, but 6 protection on 54 hp makes them tankier than regular pale ones, so they arent thay bad even in that case.
What's /domg/ opinion on them?
>>125868315
>Also, you made no reference to Wardens and them being the personal enchanted superhuman guards to the Witches.
Putting a guy in armor who is good at combat with the unarmored scholar/mage has been a thing since forever.
>>125868378
80 gold bounty to someone then?
actually, mythology just adapted fundamental jungian imagery from our evolutionary psychology and oral traditions from prehistory, which is where Dominions draws its inspiration from, not mythology directly
>>125870050
That's not the same thing. Warders in WoT are bound to their Aes Sedai magically, mentally and by an oath and are given extraordinary physical abilities thanks to this bond. The description of the MA Man Warden and even the sprite image makes him seem like a Warder from WoT. From the Mother of Avalon description:
>They are often accompanied by Wardens sworn to protect them.
Kailasa can we talk in steam chat?
I appreciate your enthoussiassm for the art of asssasssination, Machaka, but even you sshould have realissed that trying to ssneak up on a nation of sskelly sspammerss wouldn't work.
Are there any magical items that increase temporary astral gem pool?
>>125876268
Yeah, but it requires Nature and Water magic.
Don't recall the name, astral clam or something.
>>125876368
>Water
fug
Guess I might as well go for Blood now.
>>125876368
Clam of pearls.
1W1N, Const 2
Admin I need an extension
>>125870645
What you are quoting doesn't say that the Warden is bound magically and mentally. It says that the armored guy is sworn to guard the mage. This, again, has been a thing since forever.
MA Man, like most nations, is based explicitly on myth. Robert Jordan took the Avalon myth and put it into WoT almost wholesale. I mean, it's blatantly obvious in the name - Tor Valon / Avalon. Both of them are using the same ancient source.
>>125880049
Now do you?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>125880508
new guy, but no one is claiming that there aren't references to fantasy literature in Dominions.
Look at all the lovecraft references, and there we know that the term isn't based on some older myth.
But the MA man is clearly Arthurian myth and if you don't realize it, it because you don't know Arthurian mythology.
>>125881065
That's what I'm saying - both Tor Valon and MA Man are based on Arthurian legend.
>>125881309
it clearly takes inspiration from both, re tower knights and all previous scrutiny
it's a fact you'll also see commonly acknowledged in other communities like desura
>>125862324
You'll get an extension from me.
Anyone want to sub for Masters Ulm?
>>125882136
Claiming that Dominions only takes it's influences directly from mythology is being willfully disingenuous. Dominions takes a ton from the fantasy genre, hell the majority of its spells are taken directly from D&D.
>>125871885
KAILASAAA HELLOOOOO
anyone else ever find something that just makes them giggle with glee?
I just found out reanimators can reanimate while sieging a fort, though not while inside of a sieged fort
Agartha, I trust that army on my border is taking the logical path to those water provinces adjacent to you? If so then that's cool, was kind of wondering why they weren't yours already as it was.
>No race of dogpeople
>No race of catpeople
>No feral race
>No race of native americans
>No race of Australians
>No race of New Zealand
>No race of polar bears
>No race of Siberians
>No race of Canadians
>No race of insects
>No race of living trees
>No race of gas beings
>No race of female elves
>No race of fairies
>No race of werewolves
>No race of angels
>No race of demons
>No race that has no native magic
>No race of elementals
>No race of frogs
>No race of plants
>>125886462
>No feral race
What do you mean by feral? Like, more feral than Pangaea?
>No race of native americans
>No race of Australians
>No race of New Zealand
I assume you don't count Mictlan, but yeah a dreamtime nation would be cool.
>No race of female elves
Uh, TNN has some female elves
>No race of werewolves
>No race of angels
>No race of demons
Those are all in other stuff. Demons do have their own races, though - Lanka and Yomi are both demons.
>No race that has no native magic
That wouldn't work
>No race of frogs
Atlantis in general and MA Xibalba in particular
>No race of plants
Asphodel
>>125886462
Abysia is technically elementals, but a bastardized version.Ulm is a nation of steel elementals :^)
>>125886462
>>No race that has no native magic
MA Ulm is the closest you could get without them being garbage
>>125885036
see >>125881065
but to stat that MA Man is a taken from WoT is also disingenuous. It's clearly Arthurian mythology.
There might be a few bits added from WoT, but that all. Some additional bits, not the main source.
>>125886462
>race that has no native magic
>They have super expensive troops that cast spells every turn instead
>They can recruit 500-1000g commanders that can reanimate units that autocast stuff like Banefire, Fireball, Falling Fires, Falling Frost, Stellar Cascades, etc
I dig it
>>125886462
>No battlefield summon skeletal archers spell
Hey admin. I asked for some more time for this turn, do you remember it? Please do it
>>125886462
then make a mod nation.
You don't see me complaining that there isn't a nation of fat cannibals who hold fatness as a sign of divinity, with the McDonald's arches as their flag and the Grimace as a national hero. Because I'm too busy practicing my pixel art to make the nation a reality.
>>125887480
jesus you fgt just get a sub for a single turn
>>125886462
>>No race of Siberians
>>No race of Canadians
LA Atlantis
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=CliffsOfDivinity
get divine or die tryan!
http://pastebin.com/mrvuSNzH <- nation descriptions
https://mega.nz/#!8QxkGahA!pzw_jhSnjaggqDfmVBqXGqhvQiu7urRt13nOolshC6s <- mod
>>125887717
>Atlantis
>Maple syrup
NICE TRY TROJAN
t. Arkantos
>>125886701
>That wouldn't work
Think of a freespawn nation with special commands like pelagian gem alchemy and built in turn one battlespells and such. I'm also assuming no magic doesn't include no crafting because that would be dumb.
It could probably work but the effort required to balance it would be retarded.
Admin you can start the turn, I'm going to be travelling all day so an extension would have to be pretty long.
Postponing turn by 12 hours because I won't be home for a while.
>>125890612
>ulmites just trying to find an excuse to stale
>>125890612
you could have said something sooner, I would gladly have extended for you. we have to wait for Ragha anyways so I'll forcehost and give a 48hr postpone.
GET REKT FOMORIA
you lost 14! cap turns worth of recruitment this turn
Fomoria
62*30 1860
6*70 420
9*200 1800
14*240 3360
4*485 1940
5*75 375
28*13 364
total: 10,115 +18 cap turns
Machaka
20*115 2300
100*11 1100
40*1 40
7*85 595
2*165 330
5*220 1100
1*350 350
1*320 320
9*80 720
17*50 850
82*13 1066
85*10 850
total: 9621 +4 cap turns
>>125891890
desu if you hadn't run the numbers like that, I would have thought that Formoria would have lost much worse than that. Machaka's units are more expensive than I gave credit for.
>>125891890
>>125892294
Wait, actually, what? I have no idea where you're getting those numbers from. Machaka lost 20 units that cost 115 gold?
>>125892512
Oh, wait, I understand now. You're totalling the price of the armies not the losses. Formoria really did lose as hard as I first thought.
>>125892512
those are totals.
I didn't total up losses.
>>125892294
that's probably one of my top3 complaints about Machaka.and probably THE reason they do so poorly
>>125892787
Eh, if you hadn't used the elephants and the spiders the result would probably be the same but you'd save some money. Those things don't really have a place in post-earlygame battles.
Also I'd probably use Rhino Warriors instead of Lion Warriors, but I don't think that would have made a big difference anyway.
>>125891890
How did Fomoria lose this actually? Were all the druids just useless?
>>125892992
6001 (fomoria)
to
2731 (Machaka)
the elephants were leftovers from expansion + AI fighting, the spiders were to help with the nemedians.
I don't have enough res to recruit Rhinos or I would.
>>125893056
I watched the battle and I'm still not sure.
Reminder that elves do not understand consent.
>>125871885
>>125885521
Oh, yes. I'm in.
T'ien Ch'i, can we talk in the Steamchat please? I have a business proposition for you.
>>125894818
I'm in the chatI'm not TC or even in your game, I'm just in the chat.
>>125895709
Thanks for the info.
>>125864478
The Unfrozen are pretty cool
>>125895709
>>125895795
I have no idea why I found this exchange so funny.
>>125850987
That happened to me... once, and now I'll never bust a fort with elephants again. It was quite painful because they got through the gate before they routed, and then they trampled everything that was gathered in a nice funnel.
>>125897335
Tramplers can actually be great at fort busting, especially if your enemy wants to block the gate with a blob of crap. The deal with them is that you need to put your mages and archers to the far sides and then buff up their morale. Even if they start on the sides, when they do retreat, they'll go right down the middle.
If you want to back them up with non trampling units you can still do that. Either heavily armored or high defense (or both!) will help with this. Another positioning trick that you can do is put the not-tramplers in corner (upper or lower right) and then have them set to hold/attack rear. This will make them walk forward first until they hit the wall, and only then start moving towards the entrance to the fort. This means that if you expect your tramplers to rout, they'll be more likely to leave a path for them and even if they do make it to the gate, the ones waiting to get in are going to be off to the side and not right behind them in a line for the elephants to run over.
>>125895795
Are you near Atlantis? I've found where you are and Atlantis for some reason think I'm their sworn enemy, so if they are then that helps me be prepared for the fish-storm.And I can tell you how to get to Ulm from where you are.
>>125891890
Fomoria is a really gold inefficient nation, so the price of the troops deployed doesn't correlate with firepower they possess.
No idea why he's deploying so many socrecresses though. They are a good mage during year one (for research and potent antirush magic) but you largely don't want them on the field/outside of forts after
You miscounted cap turns, it's 22 turns worth of cap recruitment.
>>125899453
But R'lyeh is Atlantis's sworn enemy
>>125899474
those prolly are the year 1 sorceresses finally being put to work
>>125899453
I already know where Ulm is, and I've discovered a few other nations as well. I've been scouting pretty aggressively.
Haven't seen Atlantis though. The only one I've had direct contact with is TC, which is why I'd like to talk to him.
>>125899579
I know, but, I went with lower than 10 dom and everything to be a friendly squid.
>>125899739
Hmm, well, just a message of friendship to all those on land then (ps don't enter the sea)You found Ulm but not me? Odd.
>>125899972
I haven't really been looking at the water, apart from the thin strip of sea between TC and myself. Don't have much to gain from UW provinces anyway.
>>125900232
That explains it, also I presume you'll always want pearls rather than be selling them, but if you do want to sell them ever, I'll buy.
>>125900758
Right now I'm not really interested in trading anyway and like you say I'll probably never have enough pearls, but sure if I ever have more than I can use I'll let you know.Just promise me you won't start wishing for armageddon.
>>125899972
>I know, but, I went with lower than 10 dom and everything to be a friendly squid.
I was more referring to the lore.
>>125901037
Nah, I may start wishing, but I have other plans than that.
>>125901569
True, but usually there's lore reasons and ingame ocean polution with dom reasons.
Are the underwater factions viable in this game? Looking at the maps the water ratio seems pretty low.
>>125905230
A couple of them are sort of almost decent, like MA and LA R'lyeh, but most of them are pretty shitty. If you want to be underwater, you're better off playing a land nation with decent amphibious options.
>>125905230
it's more of they are best in the water, and other nations tend to have difficulty attacking them
that and since oceans tend to have lots of connections to coastal they are hard to prevent from raiding your weakspots at the worst moments
>>125891890
This makes me happy, given that Fomoria was talking shit about how hard he rekt 150 machakan spearmen and 4 mages with that same army a week ago.
I'm Vanarus in late game situation against MA Pangaea. He has millions of Revelers, and all he does is Protection of Gaea, Army of Gold, Mass Flight, and sometimes more buffs like Weapons of Sharpness / Strength buff.
I have almost all paths available to 4 or 5 with various boosters / summons, but not easily massable.
Is mass Evocations my only hope? Because I always hp route before I can kill a significant amount of Revelers.
>>125905230
Most of the MA water nations are decent enough, LA Ry'leh and EA Therados are difficult to manage but playable. The only water nations that are trash are those with almost 0 land options, with EA Ry'leh being infamous for this.
The defense of being at least partially unassailable to most nations early is huge diplomatically, because it means few will start crap with you since they can't finish you off.
>>125906273
Wrathful skies up and stall long enough until he routs.
Alternatively use turn1 RoS in defense to kill his shit before he buffs it.
>>125906959
Atlantis is pretty much entirely amphibious in all ages so they've got plenty of land options in theory, but apart from LA (which isn't really a water nation anyway) they can't recruit shit on land which seriously hurts them and means they have serious trouble holding onto conquered territory.
>>125906973
From the sound of things, the hordes are killing him v quickly.
RoS is probably the best answer.
>>125907613
Yeah, those Revelers hurt, he has a lot of them and they're flying.
I'll give RoS a try, thanks.
If i want to do turns for a game on another computer do i have to transfer the pretender file?
