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GRR GON Edition

Old thread: >>123282924
Thread permalink: http://orph.link/eog

>Can I make enough ISK to PLEX during the trial?
If you have to ask, you can't do it.

>I just started, what should I do?
Do the Opportunities then find the Career Agents & run all of their missions; they give you ISK, ships, skillbooks and teach you basics. Talk to players and try to find a corp. The game is only as boring as you are.

>Is it too late to start playing EVE?
No.

Read the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/t9Af7NJY (embed) (embed)

Future:
>Spring: Citadel expansion & cap rebalance release
>Spring: Amarr Championship finals: Tash-Murkon (Kelon Darklight) vs Kor-Azor (Lysus)
>Dec 08: Frostline Expansion Countdown: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20151208T11&p0=211&msg=Winter+Patch&font=slab

Past:
>Nov 26: Fozzie confirms OGB removal in ~1 month (after Frostline)
>Nov 25: shitposting about goons reaching critical levels community-wide
>Nov 23: Leak of possible Frostline rewards on Sisi imgur.com/gallery/zQ7ED/new
>Nov 20: overview of FROSTLINE EXPANSION (new event, ships, balancing, visuals): http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/operation-frostline-and-holidays-in-eve-online-an-update-from-ccp-seagull/
>Nov 19: Dropbears are all out of All-Out's hole
>Nov 18: MITTENS & CO GET RUSED THE FUCK OUT BY PH, AUTZ BEST TZ
>Nov 17: Command Dessie feedback thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6171886#post6171886
>Nov 05: Manny kicked from CSM (leaks?)
>Nov 03: Parallax: "Bugs in a Box", jump fatigue reduced, entosis regen
>Oct 25: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/reworking-capital-ships-and-thus-it-begins/
>Oct 15: SP trading concept presented
>Aug 13: Citadel FAQ https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mEbMx9xUXje3KH4AppvcjSSoALUVtVEaK6ZZ-zy2Lrs/edit#
>Foozie makes a bunch of stupid pointless changes (don't ever remove this from the OP, because it is always true)
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>amarr
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>GRR GON
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buttsex for purple mods
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I found a Gila blueprint and I noticed that the materials cost is really cheap compared to total cost.

Did I just get lucky or am I missing something here? They seem to pop out real fast.
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>>123612520
Yeah their cost is determined by the rarity of the blueprints, not the cost of the build.
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>>123612520
you got lucky in the finding of the blueprint; pirate cruiser blueprints are generally quite valuable.
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might want to build and sell it fast; the gilas on sisi are missing a lowslot
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>>123612640
>>123612520
>>123612627
Wow, sounds good. It took me literally all day to beat down this 5/10, blowing up a single ship every time I warp in and out with my shit-fit Typhoon.

Glad I stuck through. Almost gave up, too.

I'm currently making a ton of Gilas for a pretty huge profit margin so I'm happy.
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>Amarr
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>>123611298
oh i forgot
>xboxhueg grid sizes coming soon
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Should I start playing again, /eog/?
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>tfw on a journey through wormhole space in the search of sleeper silent battleground
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>>123615000
No. At this point, DUST has more players than EVE.
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>Maller
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>>123616178
Because Dust is a good game. Also a weekend event is going on.
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>>123616026
what is sleeper silent battleground
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>>123613208
>I'm currently making a ton of Gilas for a pretty huge profit margin so I'm happy.
The blueprint is a copy, good for exactly one run.
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Anyone got the skill reqs + stats for the MJFG module?
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>>123612760
>missing
That's some nice rhetoric you've got there.
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>>123631205
thanks anon
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>>123627826
it was too good to be true. Here I thought I made it super big.

I'm still sitting on 800m which is a whole new record for me. Now I'm too afraid to spend it.
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>>123639337
>sitting on 800m, pleased as punch
it wasn't long ago that I was feeling that feeling and i remember it well. i'm glad you're doing well for yourself.

It was around then that realized my income wasn't going to get any better by just exploring and I decided to look harder at my trading and see how to optimize it and use it as actual income instead of just a convenience for my exploration. If you're manufacturing, you might start stepping up production, keeping tabs on what the prices are in non-central regions and shipping the stuff you make out there via contract.
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Make it so, hiding in asteroid fields confers protection from DScan.
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>>123643571
I dunno, it doesn't make sense from a logistical stand point
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>>123643571
i forgot how nice that ship looks
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>>123643615
What exactly do you mean by that?

It would make for some interesting gameplay, not to mention it would be easier to bait miners. Also hiding small fleets in asteroid fields would be fun, kind of like using bombers to surprise people when they uncloak, but now you can hide a frigate fleet or something instead.
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>>123644569
I guess it would but without that it means things like miners and just ships in general could just go to an asteroid belt and disappear, you wouldn't even need to cloaky camp in a belt just wait for some null miner to come along, gank it then leave for another belt.
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DED THRED

but at least we aint reddit
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>>123643571
you can already do that it's called bringing a cloak
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>>123643571

>miners are intuitively found at belts
>miners are immune to dscan by default
>need to combat scan or manually visit every belt in a system just to find the miners
>herbivores get more time to notice you and dock up
>more difficult to create content
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>amarr
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>>123646102
ayyy lmao
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>>123646102
https://zkillboard.com/kill/50398209/
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winmitar saves the day with driveby autocannons
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>>123646332
>drake
>velocity: 5537
gotta go fast
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Can I somehow raise standings with blood raiders or sansha without running missions for them? Amarr epic arc is not an option.
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>>123646102
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>>123639337

Just save up to 1B, then call it a day.
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>>123646414
yfw they warped their c2 site running fleet in to save their tackled rolling BS
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>>123646102

>uses a tempest for neuting
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>>123648010
>utility highs
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>>123648141

>what is geddon
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actually he if staggered his nuets and actually fit an MJD he coulda gotten out easily
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>minmaxtar
>amarrica
>gallhentai

Hope you're enjoying those capacitor-using/transversal-affected/non-selectable-damagetype guns and those inferior local armor tanks with gimped ancillary reps!
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>>123648945

Hope you're enjoying afterburners halving your DPS regardless of transversal calbabby. Reminder that caldari is literally the newbie faction, with the regenerating health, brainless ratting, and lack of transversal management.
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>mfw pushx haul my 60% profit cargo for 2% profit
and the best part is they obviously have the capital to do what i'm doing BUT THEY'RE NOT
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>>123647215
Yes, but it involves running missions for Guristas.
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>>123648945
>minmatar
>armor
>cap
lmao, spoken like a true caldari faggot who doesn't even know the game
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>>123647215
pay someone to have you in fleet with them while they're running the missions? and have criminal connections trained
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>>123648945

>gallhentai

Pretty funny actually, aren't the gallentei known for their decadence and degeneracy?
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>>123649726
That won't increase my FACTION standings.
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>>123649854
>X-rated holoreel
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>CCP think this is balanced
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>>123650947
What is it?
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>>123650947
>think
thinks
>>123651065
Scalpel
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>>123650947
holy shit that scanres.
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>>123650947
Wow, I totally see how this would NEVER be used in gatecamps.
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They had to do something to pair up with the kiting frigs.
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Why is every ship they release progressively more broken and cancerous?
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At least it's just a frig, though. Can you imagine if it was a battleship logi with 200km range?
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>>123651652
To save time of gay faggots who would turn it into it anyway.
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You can still pop them at zero transv with a sniper, so no big deal.
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>>123650947
but that#s with oversized prop, links and probably pirate implants. the ship on its own is fine.
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>>123652354
>but that#s with oversized prop
so?
>the speed of interceptors is low w/o a mwd
No implants
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>>123652709
it's retarded to say that this ship is overpowered because it can use oversized prop. oversized prop itself is broken, it shouldn't ever be a thing on anything

>the speed of interceptors is low w/o a mwd

don't know what you're saying here
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>>123652783

Just wait till they bring capital prop mods. Some wanker will manage to fit one on a mach.
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>>123652783

So svipuls aren't overpowered because ASBs are broken, and kite fleets aren't overpowered because their damps are broken, and uhhh... ???
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>>123649143
Aren't their systems camped 24/7?
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>>123653092

>pve
>not incursions

Get rekt.
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>mach
Is it mack as in mack truck
Or mach as in accelerating past mach 2
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>>123655069
machariel the spaceship
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>>123652968
svipuls are broken in all fits, not just asbs. asbs themselves are a bit broken, but so are svipuls

kite fleets are overpowered through ccp making a bunch of overpowered kite ships, and also skirmish links are broken
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>>123655103
>implying it's not mack as in mackinaw
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>>123656409
well it was >mach
so unless its suddenly machinaw...
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>not retreiver
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>>123655103
What a peculiarly unhelpful reply
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So I shouldn't go to caldari space? Why is it so retarded over there?
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>>123659886
>Don't fuckign come to caldari space, fag
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>>123659886
CODE
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>>123659886

RvB hang out in forge, 4 jumps from jita. They're mostly chill dudes.
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>>123659886
>Hek
the most Jew of all trade hubs, literally more expensive than nullhubs
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>>123660546
>muh shekels
fuck off jita kuk
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>>123660546

ccp should rename it to Kek.
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>>123660546
You haven't seen Rens. Hek is chill.
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>Leak of possible Frostline rewards on Sisi imgur.com/gallery/zQ7ED/new
So is it just cosmetic stuff? I was kinda hoping for some more cerebral accelerators.
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>>123661994
I thought they had quafe zero inside
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>>123663357
they do
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gallente
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>>123611298
shit op
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>page 10
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>>123667395
It has the most important part so its fine.
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>Freighter ganked with just 30 ibis's

https://zkillboard.com/kill/50401688/
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>highsec xd
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>>123674710

>just 30 ibis
>has 4 machariels and fucking lot of other stuff
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>>123675147
well the machs don't really count since they never agress the freighter pilot at all. For all intents and purposes each of those ibis's could have had scramblers too because it doesn't fucking matter at all since they're gonna die anyway.
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>>123674710
They used catalysts and then reshipped for the last round.
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>>123676158
well it didn't seem to stop it from happening

Whats really stupid is how easy it is to gank a freighter even with bulkheads
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>>123676657
I've never understood this

people want to "duel" then either undock in something bigger or badder or they have neutral alts all over the place ready to give logi
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>>123674710
>at least half of those characters belong to one guy
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>>123676273

No, what's stupis is flying a freighter through a known chokepoint. If autopiloted, it's like having the back of a delivery truck open in the ghetto.
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>>123677132
Well believe it or not regardless of where you go even when you are actively warping to gates at zero, you can still easily get bumped so readily and easily and once you're bumped you can't do anything about it.

The only real way to navigate a freighter is with a web alt but even then suicide pointers completely negate that until the machariel comes along and bumps you so hard you'll never be able to align for minutes
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>>123677132
I remember the first day CCP came out with bulkheads for freighters to "combat the gankers" and in reality it changed so little that the very day the patch was issued, some gank squad ganked an empty freighter full of bulkheads then made a post about it saying "it wasn't really that hard, we thought it was going to be near impossible but it turns out the same number of catalysts we were using before works just fine"
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Point is, if anyone is stupid enough to fly a freighter, they deserve it. If you absolutely must do it, then do it in a convoy with bunch of RR and webs with you. If this doesn't suit your afk-hauling needs, then use a t2 hauler instead.
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>>123678409
>le it's your fault anyway face xDDD
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>If you use ships how they're intended to be used, you're stupid
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>anything but muh lowsec frigate grabass elite pvp is dumb
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>le moving without an army of alts
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>shitposting without pictures of dogs
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>tfw blobbed again
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Who are Zero Fun Allowed

they look like real risk adverse memers but clearly they dont post here
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>>123681887
never heard of, so I'll assume they're garbage

so yeah I looked them up and they're in wormhole space, so garbage confirmed
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>grr wormholes
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>hisec pvp
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how to find corp that isnt shit
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>>123685989
Join Tengoo.
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>passive align
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>hirri

thanks for ruining it nullfags
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>>123676273

That's not a bulkheads freighter
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>>123687946
https://zkillboard.com/kill/50012086/

it took 16 guys, 11 of which were in talos's to gank a charon with full bulkheads

its not hard at all
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>>123688142

>11x 88million ISK hulls (968mil)
>let's say 100mil in blasters and gyrostabs (generous), 1068mil
>gank the least tanky of the freighters

It's just not adding up well for you dude. Carry less than ~1.25bil in a obelisk and you're fine.
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>>123688734
the freighter itself is worth 1.3b

they're isk positive no matter what gank they do. Its always isk positive, anything in the cargo is just a bonus

The only time they aren't isk positive is when they don't kill it, which is a fucking rarity
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>>123688882

>ISK positive means the other guy lost more ISK than I did

Are we dealing with the Dumb Corrections Cave Creature again? (DCCC)
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>>123689624
yes that is what it means you idiot. Thats what it has always meant, it even shows that on zkillboard on isk efficiencies for kills and losses
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>>123689838

Great, let's see you make some money killing empty freighters. Then you can show us how buying PLEX using ISK doesn't contribute to profits for CCP based on supply and demand, like you tried the other day.
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>>123689624
I'm the corrections guy, and I think isk positive should mean you made isk

>>123689838
that's what it means if you're stupid
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>I am a proud Goonswarm Federation member.
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>>123690057
>PVP generates isk therefore isk positive

no you fuck, when two large fleets go at it and one fleet kills another they compare losses and who ever lost less losses. That is how it has always been, If you bring an equally sized fleet to another but you lose one really expensive ship despite killing off the rest of the enemy fleet and that one ship you lost was worth more than the entire enemy fleet in this example then you lost the isk positivity and you by default lost more than they did
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>>123690505

people don't gank freighters to win wars or whatever, you will just get neutral freighter'd, it doesn't work. people gank freighters for profit. both the major freighter ganking groups do this. what are you trying to save face so hard for?
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>>123690505
>literally the most meaningless comparison imaginable is how you determine who won
wew what a game.
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>>123690505
are we so used to fights being just about nothing

and yeah, that is what people mean when they say they're isk positive, but they aren't actually isk positive if they lost money
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>>123690683
>people don't gank freighters to win wars
they gank freighters for two reasons
1. to get whats inside
2. even if theres nothing they still have a great killmail at no isk negative loss to them.

Its why tornado gankers gank blockade runners, even if there is NOTHING inside the blockade runner the blockade runner is more expensive than that tornado so the ganker has a great killmail.
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>>123691143
>2. even if theres nothing they still have a great killmail at no isk negative loss to them.


Is this what the face of retardation looks like?

>>123691143
>Its why tornado gankers gank blockade runners

Tornadoes gank blockade runners occasionally because they cannot be cargo-scanned, so it's like opening a present and you have no idea what's inside. Almost no one does it because 99% of the time it's an empty present.
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>>123691143
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>>123690880
its not a stupid metric, its a metric of measuring damage

you caused more damage to the enemy than the enemy did to you, thats a success, it means you put them back further to replace that than the losses on your end cost you
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I don't understand. so if I lose 100m and there's no lossmail for everyone to see, do you think I didn't lose any money?

and do you think if I'm 1 of 100 people on a killmail, then the value of the thing that died is an amount of isk I personally destroyed, somehow allowing me to lose that amount without being a shitter?

do you just ignore dropped loot and holding the field and actual objectives?

it's hilarious how some people set the bar for efficiency, I guess because they're fucking terrible at pvp (>highsec pvp)
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Are there any mods for lowering sig res or only Halos do that?
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>>123691357
>No one ganks blockade runners

https://zkillboard.com/kill/50374241/

yea they sure don't

>lol face of retardation
you literally proved you don't play the game at all or have been in any size fleet to know how isk positivity works or why people value being isk positive
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>>123691952
no mods or rigs. there's a x-instinct, halo implants and skirmish links
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>>123691741
wow $15 of damage. That's incredible. How will they ever bounce back.
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>>123692381
nice back pedal
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>>123676764
No different than any other mwo where level 30 dudes hang out in hubs and spam duel requests at level 10s and under.
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>literally being in moa
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what's the worst alliance in game?

fcon? sma?
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>>123698537
TEST
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>>123698537
[URMUM]
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>>123698537
Some highsec shitlords no-one's ever heard of.
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I wonder if a jita whores corporation would get shut down by CCP?
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>>123691741
Gevlon? Is that you?


It doesn't matter who lost the most ISK. It never has done. ISK losses are meaningless.

If I kill 5b of your ships, lose 8b of my own, and still hold the field afterwards, achieve my objectives and go home, then I win. Doesn't matter that I lost more. I did what I set out to do, and you failed to stop me.
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for nullblobs: >>123699638
And ISK positive is either icing on the cake or comfort food for loser
for ganking: ISK positive = you looted more than your ship was worth
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>drifter incursion systems have 100% penalties because nobody runs them
Great job CCP
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>>123691741
Unless you're killing titans or supers isk means jack shit, its all about the objective or fun if there is no objective.
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>>123699638
are you in gewns by any chance?
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>>123700054

>drifter incursion in forge
>jita dies

"Just according to keikaku." -ccp
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>all the force auxiliaries will be vertical

fucking reddit.
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>>123703619
pics?
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>>123703720
no pics, but Larrikin mentioned it on eve down under stream yesterday
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>>123703619
They said that when they announced the damn things.

Apparently there's one in this picture.
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>Imperium
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>>123704816
if it's the big thing in the background, I sincerely hope those retarded looking dish things aren't attached to it
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>>123704816
It's the planet.
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>Amarr
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>>123700067
>>123699638
>isk is meaningless
do you guys never ever play this game? you just make shit up?

>99% of all EVE uses isk relativity as whether it was won or not
>Nurr das not true hurr durr isk doesn't matter
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>>123699638
>If I kill 5b of your ships, lose 8b of my own
>I achieve my objectives and I win regardless of my losses
thats wildly inefficient you lost substantially more than the enemy and you think you claimed victory despite losing so much of your force and at what huge cost.

>doesn't matter that I lost more
it does, you denying it doesn't make it not true, you're just ignoring one of the biggest facets of EVE
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>>123711292
M8

If I have a timer to defend, and I defend it while losing a hundred times the number of ships you do, I still win the damn fight.
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>>123711292
Do YOU play this game?
When you kill someone on a giant battle you are making that person lose his personal isk, it might look like a lot of money in total but its fucking nothing when it comes down to each pilot having to replace it.

I only run L4 missions and I can afford to lose dreads, 1bil machs and triage and replace them easily, and I'm considered poor in my alliance.

Outside of Titans and Supers everything in this game is cheap as fuck.
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>>123711551
>If I have a timer to defend,
If you're losing billions more defending it, the wisest decision would have been to not take the fight, tactically retreat and fight on higher ground when you have a better advantage

losing gobs of shit over every single timer you take is ludicrously inefficient and poor judgement thats extremely wasteful and it would be superior to take a lossless loss than to win with heavy losses
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>>123711758
>Do YOU play this game?
Yea I do, PL is great
>When you kill someone on a giant battle you are making that person lose his personal isk, it might look like a lot of money in total but its fucking nothing when it comes down to each pilot having to replace it.
Yea ok because killing a titan just doesn't matter at all

>I only run level 4 missions

hahaha holy fuck you're just some highsec scrub

>I can afford to lose dreads
>loses a 3b isk dread
>yea It'll only take like 2 weeks of absolute raw l4 mission grinding just to get the isk
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>>123712028
Which is why goonswarm has lost every war it's ever fought, right?
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>>123712198
Hardly, when you're mittani RMT rich and R64's out the ass besides, money suddenly stops meaning anything to anyone,

The metaphor still works, lose the battle, win the war, you don't win wars by winning every battle, you win wars by winning battles that matter and kicking the enemy ass so hard that they can't get up
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>>123712197
>Yea ok because killing a titan just doesn't matter at all
Ok hiding your posts, you're not even reading my posts, clearly.

>hahaha holy fuck you're just some highsec scrub
you know theres missions in null right?
course not you don't play this game.

>yea It'll only take like 2 weeks of absolute raw l4 mission grinding just to get the isk
just more evidence that you don't play this game
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>>123712394
>Ok hiding your posts, you're not even reading my posts, clearly.
You're literally a fucking retard to think that isk doesn't matter. You magically think that owning grid means you won when in reality, all battles are described in matters of losses, deny this all you like and deny that all the zkillboard numbers just magically don't exist because they don't support your retarded narrative.

>I play L4 missions in nullsec guys!
enjoy your no isk, running havens would run you more in bounties and including the DED's than relying on shitty L4 missions in nullsec

>just evidence you don't play the game

says the guy "affording to lose dreads" on nullsec L4's that generate shit for isk and there are tens of better sources of income which is the shittiest narrative

and you're going to "hide my posts" because you're a retard who doesn't know what anything goes on outside your little bubble
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>>123712740
>he doesn't know you can do 500mil/h with polarized mach and L4 missions
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>>123711758
I've never heard of someone not giving a fuck about isk efficiency and magically thinking that isk doesn't matter. Theres a huge reason why everyone refers to the isk-war like god damn.
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>>123712851
>500m/h
I'll take things that never happen for 400, alex.
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>>123712871
Nobody fucking cares, people just like to see battle reports.
If there are no supers, titans, or an ungodly amount of caps nobody fucking cares as long as the objective was won.

>>123713010
(you)
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>>123712871
Then you have never spoken to anyone from the cfc, have you.

They treat the entire concept of 'winning the isk war' as a bad joke.


Guess who was last bloc standing, the guys who don't give a shit about the isk war, or the guys who take it super seriously.
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>>123713167
>Nobody fucking cares, people just like to see battle reports.
yes and what is the huge thing in big bold green and red characters above the battlereport?

Oh yea ISK!

>no one cares about isk
theres that shitty thing that he can't prove at all and that because he doesn't care about isk it magically doesn't matter to anyone and it just doesn't exist as a metric.

>>123713239
>Then you have never spoken to anyone from the cfc, have you.
who else doesn't give a fuck about mitani's RMT empire? buy his book please
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>>123713471
So...the CFC philosophy on the isk war doesn't matter because of a kickstarter?

Nevermind the whole 'winning lots of wars' thing, there's grrgons postng to be done!
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>>123713471
>yes and what is the huge thing in big bold green and red characters above the battlereport?
and that's all it is, just a bunch of numbers to see who "won" or "lost" the battle, but not the objective.

>Yea I do, PL is great
no wonder, how does it feel to be irrelevant and afraid to fight goons?

>who else doesn't give a fuck about mitani's RMT empire? buy his book please
as much as I hate the mittani, using that as an argument against his post just makes you look like a little bitch, but hey just thats another feature of being in pl.
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>>123713239
>They treat the entire concept of 'winning the isk war' as a bad joke.

Yeah. It's really fucking hard to win a war through attrition. It usually comes down to making the other guy stop playing, or go do something else instead.
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>>123713705
>So...the CFC philosophy on the isk war doesn't matter because of a kickstarter?
the CFC didn't coin that term, isk being apart of killmails and kill reports has been around since the API included them over 10 years ago

>>123713726
>and that's all it is, just a bunch of numbers to see who "won" or "lost" the battle, but not the objective.
you realize those are more than just numbers its peoples money right? oh but that doesn't matter according to you

>irrelevant and afraid to fight goons
more like a huge blueball changing all sov timers to AUTZ before mittens gives his "buy my book" speech
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>>123713867
Who coined the term is irrelevant to the discussion.

You are arguing that the tactic of losing ten ships for every one you kill doesn't work, when it's been a 'thing' goonswarm have been doing for a decade.

If the ISK war matters so much, why does the cfc/imperium/whatever continue to exist, and how has it beaten pretty much everyone else at some point or other, often repeatedly?
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>>123713867
>more like a huge blueball changing all sov timers to AUTZ before mittens gives his "buy my book" speech
he does it again!
why not just go discuss about isk in reddit?
you would get upvotes for this "clever" argument
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>>123714171
>Who coined the term is irrelevant to the discussion.

>The CFC philosophy
>its not CFC's philosophy, its been around since isk was included in the API

>>123714171
>You are arguing that the tactic of losing ten ships for every one you kill doesn't work, when it's been a 'thing' goonswarm have been doing for a decade.
no thats not what I said, I said that if two fleets have a fight and one fleet kills an expensive ship in the other fleet and that one ship was more valuable entirely than the tens of losses of the first fleet then the latter lost the isk war. The isk war is a huge integral part of fights all over no matter what size or interface they are. Automatically denying this even matters or exists is inherently going against the last 10 years of measuring battles in EVE ever.

>If the ISK war matters so much, why does the cfc/imperium/whatever continue to exist, and how has it beaten pretty much everyone else at some point or other, often repeatedly?

Because you don't have to win every battle to win a war. The fact that they exist is because they formed the original mega-conglomerate under one faction title that reigned supreme because they owned the isk. The isk war has always mattered and they had the superior numbers to make it work.

>>123714343
>no my narrative, it doesn't matter but it does when I mention it just not when you do
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>>123714730
>no my narrative, it doesn't matter but it does when I mention it just not when you do
lel the book I mentioned the book!
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>>123714872
>entire propaganda scheme revolves around the book
>no guys it doesn't matter
>STOP TALKING ABOUT IT
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>>123715071
>the book has anything to do with isk in wars or anything at all in this discussion
sure thing friendo
heres your +3 pl tokens for mentioning the book
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>>123715296
>mittani fueling his entire empire with RMT and wanting to use the book to fuel it even more has nothing to do with the isk war
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>muh RMT empires

Back to reddit you go.
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>>123715921
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bump i guess
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>le vertical

gross. Stop.
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>>123723948
le vertical torpedoe delivery xD
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>spiderlings
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>>123735040
NEED
2
BREED
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>there is people that frequent this thread that get rekt by Zarvox on a daily basis
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>>123736549
who?
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>>123736596
some meh streamer that somehow always wrecks all of /v/ bros
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>>123736927
you mean pays the /v/ bros to farm them so he looks good in front of the camera?
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You guys ever fantasize about random shit in games you don't even play anymore?

Sometimes I think about what it'd be like to be the sole m0o player still playing today with the "11 years in m0o" and fucking around with battlecruisers in somewhere like Providence.
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>>123737070
lmao so you're not only gonna be butthurt here but also on stream?
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>>123737146
No because the last time a guy had a "good stream" he had links following him and used an out of corp alt to make it look like he was giving him a fight when really the out of corp alt was being controlled by him the entire time.
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>>123737258
calm down autist, he just killed you in front of several hundred people, you don't need sperg too much
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>>123737338
no he didn't I've been in heimatar this entire time
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>>123737587
then shut up nobody cares about you unimportant person.
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>>123737587
>showing off his 30bil
I make that in a slow week
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>>123737656
>hurr don't you suck this eve-online celebs cock?
>who?
>some guy who owns all of you!
>you mean like any other generic streamer who follows himself around?
>LOL STAY MAD HE OWNS YOU HES THE BEST, HE KILLED YOU
>no he didn't
>w-w-well you don't m-m-matter anyway who cares!

>>123737818
>implying I keep my money in liquid and not in escrow
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>>123737896
>shut up nobody cares about you unimportant person.
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>>123737984
are you implying you are important instead?
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>>123738220
more than you could ever be boyo
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>>123738264
>be in /v/ bros
>trash of the trash
>I'm the best trash

like the least smelly shit except you're still shit
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>>123738264
Maybe

You dont need to be important to have fun in eve though

Although being sub-directions means im big in a local sorta way
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>>123738350
nice detective work shithead but I don't visit /v/ bros

Still more important than you.
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>>123738481
>director*
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>>123738548
>supposedly kicked all of /v/ bro's asses

>hurr I don't visit /v/ bros :^) but I do post on the /vg/ thing
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>>123738784
to be fair i dont hand in the /v/bros channel either due to how shit it is but at-least im not experiencing delusions of grandeur
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>>123738940
but you post on the /vg/ thats literally the same thing
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>>123738784
>being this angry because I'm way more important than him
I don't talk with normies, I'm sort of big deal around here.
later bitch
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>>123739025
Anonymity
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>>123739027
>I don't talk with normies
jesus christ, never learn /vg/
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>>123739027
you aren't kurth ren
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>Get linked some killmails. WH space no dictors.
>Ask why he didn't get his pod out.
>Get yelled at.
>Explain the game mechanics and the reasoning for the "Warp out" tab on the overview.
>Told in all caps I have no "TACT"
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>>123743513
>have autism
>get yelled at for being autistic
>post dog on eog
m8 pls
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>>123743513
He was giving it all right up to the end, not mashing the warp button like a big gay baby.
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Haven't touched this game in like two years, but came across new info about the micro jump drive destroyers

This is exactly the sort of thing CCP needed to do to get me back in and interested with the game.

I'm not putting my chips in just yet, but a few more additions like this to fix PVP and I'm hooked.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQsADFj7wL0

holy shit
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>>123748196
thanks avada
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>>123750394
Worth if you can pay for your subscription.
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>>123751878
Blame bluesec ratters. After 5 years of AFKtars: online everyone and their mother has way too much ISK on their hands
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>>123752032
Not the people who buy PLEX to sell on the market.
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>>123753056
That's not how supply and demand works m8, you can't blame the supplier for people willing to pay shitloads for same service.
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>>123753169
You said everyone has too much ISK, which is patently false. Why would people sell PLEX for ISK if everyone had "too much"? There are obviously people who don't (or feel they don't) "have too much ISK". Those are the people buying the PLEX for the sole purpose of selling on the market (to increase their ISK).
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>>123748838
but that wasn't me
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>>123754119
I SAID THANKS AVADA
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>>123754370
y-you too
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>>123750394
>>123751878
Didn't you post here a couple of months ago?
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>>123751878
>>123752032
>>123753123
jesus christ you fucking spergs at least do some research on shit go fucking watch the goddamn state of the economy fanfest videos they fucking directly spoonfeed you this shit how useless do you have to fucking be
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>>123754501
the lizardface
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>>123753123
I'm not sure that CCP is behind that, but then who is the manipulator?
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>>123757510
>2011: memo from CCP saying how they will jew the fuck out of their fagtarded player base
>2015: CCP is gud dev and would never try to make money off us
lol
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>tfw you quit eve because you forgot to switch clone one time so your killboard is forever ruined by losing a 150m clone
>it's now been 2 years and the wounds still ache
I still lie awake at night sometimes and remember how my corp reacted to the news. Reliving the horrifying memory. OH MY GOD KILL ME!
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>>123759167

I wonder who leaked that memo. They're probably fired by now, replaced by some pink-haired feminist.
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>>123759874
You and your corp are fucking spergs. If a 150m is noticeably detrimental to your kb, you're fucking bad at pvp too.
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>>123759874
tfw lose 7b capitals and dont give any fucks
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>>123760945
post the petition
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>>123759874
> that hurt about a 150mil clone

Step up nigga
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>>123761432
and the gm response please
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>>123760945
>CCP refunded all of it because I claimed "bugged game I quit btw I run a blog related to EVE and I will write several articles on how bugged it is" in the petition :^)
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>>123747860
Off grid boosting is being removed in the next month or so and grid sizes are being increased to thousands of kilometers
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>>123761751
>>123761432
Rad, you just broke eula.

Thanks senpai, I hope you enjoy your ban.
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>>123761883
If you havent played in 2 years why are you here
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>>123761938
Why are any of us still here?
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EVERY TIME I TRY TO RUN DED I GET CLOSED SOCKET FOR SHITS SAKE CCP YOU MONGRELS
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>>123762734
I'll close your socket if you know what I mean.
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