Waiting for turns edition.
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Dominions is a fantasy turn-based strategy game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.
The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 2800 units, 800 spells and 300 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them.
It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.
Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a strategy game.
>Steamgroup
Join the steamgroup for multiplayer
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya
>Group chatroom
steam://friends/joinchat/103582791434709795
>Our work-in-progress wiki
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Dominions_4_Wiki
>Dom4 Manual
http://jaffa.illwinter.com/dom4/manual_dom4.pdf
>Dom4 Inspector
This is a community resource that has every unit, spell, and item in the game in an accessible database.
http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/
>Play by email guide:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=202096551
>Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/JMmSrpdE (embed) (embed)
>Debug Mod:
For testing battle formations and spells
http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/debug-mod
>Where do I get it?
It is available on Gamersgate and Steam. Desura is ded.
There is no functional, up-to-date pirate version.
>THE BASICS
>Read the manual
>Read the pastebin
>Read the memes
>I want to play X
Heavy infantry nations with simple magic for noobs: MA Ulm, Abysia, LA Man
Human nations with a lot of diversity: T'ien Ch'i (any age), Arcoscephale (EA and LA), EA Ermor
Giant nations with a major bless: Niefelheim, Fomoria, Ashdod
Necromancy: C'tis, Sceleria, MA Ermor, Asphodel, Lemuria, Nazca
Sneaky Nations: Vanheim, TNN, Eriu, MA Man, Xibalba, Caelum
Edgy Nations: Lanka, Sauromatia, MA Ermor, Asphodel, Hinnom
First for Hoburg pride world wide.
is there some way to influence independent spawns in coe4? sometimes this shit is just overwhelming.
>>123392235
Choose Empire or Dawn of the New Empire. Otherwise you'll get a shitton of deers.
Who's the guy with the two farms my hogmeister encountered ?
>>123392235
Burn down forests and put 1 unit on graveyards and such.
>>123392886
I'm pink, so it must be Senator guy.
Also,
>send my apprentice to die and be reborn as wight
>he kills everyone on his own instead
FUG
>>123393074
Necro is gonna eat us all, heed my words
as soon as he gets a vampire all our armies will be useless and then the lichening will begin
I AId myself. Shitty bats have an awake pretender and are rushing my capital. Turn 2 they have wiped out my expansion force. Whoever's idea it was to make me start on an island two provinces away from them is a faggot.
>>123393321
There migh not even be any temples or old castles on this map. Believe me, I played enough games with Necro.
>tfw everyone is bullying me
Fuck Me
>>123393373
that would be the map designer I guess (though it couldn't have hurt to give the map a test run)
You should've just asked for help. Nothing brings people together like removing bats.
>>123393571
Yeah please help me fight bats on my ISOLATED FUCKING ISLAND with NOBODY AROUND IT on TURN THREE
Shit map / 10 would not play again enjoy getting fucked by 2 capital bats
>Eats horrors
SOON
>>123393405
We're in dawn of a new empire.
>>123394135
Does it increase the chance of them somehow?
So everyone has turned in this turn... everyone except Gath who has staled 5 straight times.
Question, is the AI worse than unending Stales?
Is there literally no semblance of balance in coe4?
>>123393919
you had the luxury of knowing both his and your own starting positions
You didn't bet on a rush and it turned out bad. Sorry dude, it happens.
>>123394296
Nope.
Though some nations that are underpowered in one age are actually strong in another, or vice versa, since a lot of them depend on what kind of buildings and terrain features are available.
>>123394296
no !
and here I am still waiting a youtuber doing a lore series
>>123394286
he's not doing double turns either
I'll go with the loudest concensus
Sorry pink guy, but that village was way too close to my cap
>>123394737
k m8
no problem
>>123393405
How big were the maps ? Never encountered a map with no temples
he following is a partial list of temples.
There may be others, but they are not known at
this time.
Cathedral
Temple of El
Temple
Temple Pyramid
Temple City
Temple Quarter (Empire)
Haunted Temple Quarter (Fallen Empire)
Ancient Temple
Ziggurat
>>123394890
The biggest size. I dunno, maybe I didn't explore 100% of the map. But still, it's hard to rely on lucky spawns as Necro.
m8...
what
>>123395123
Forty niggers.
Maybe he'll be back?
>>123395123
>>123395185
I'm back. thought everyone was bugging. got a bad packet, I guess
>>123395185
Probably lag or something. It's okay now though.
>>123395185
Also, thank you for showing me your map :^)
Those sweet cities look really tasty.
Good news. The stats visible on the game page were a bug caused when the game was restored. it's been reverted. Llamabeast is a champ.
dom4.22
mega.nz/#!3wpkWIKQ!v1THky_egFtEua0kiZQ-aPbVjCKgWRHwrHMEGD6YFvc
coe4.00
mega.nz/#!q94VwDgA!HSuFL3qE4wZhUHLXK_Wko-5fo8R30Bdz5FZN1GJ1NJk
>>123395460
Come
>>123395486
>Llamabeast is a champ.
This is a fact.
Attention Niefelheim:
Where's that bloodstone at?
>>123395917
Up my ass.
Come and get it~ <3
>>123395917
It's ready (at least it should be). I didn't check the game file yet. If nothing bad happened, I'm sending it to you this turn.
>>123393919
>>123394393
so you started near xibalba knowing you were going to be left alone isolated with xibalba and you did not try to find a bless for rushing it down?
what the hell.
xibalba is actually quite shit against decent protection and defense, its bats tend to stalll and die if they can't kill on first hit.
>>123396035
Okay, just making sure.
HOBURGS
YOU KILLED OUR INNOCENT EMMISARY TODAY
FOR THIS, YOU'LL BURN
>>123396267
wat
where the fuck did your necromancer come from
you're the one that killed my mage
>>123396549
THE DAY OF RCKONING IS NOW
PRAY TO WHATEVER BURGER GODS YOU WORSHIP
THIS
IS
YOUR
E N D
>>123396113
playing hoburgs is suffering. forced to watch as everything is taken away from you, and not being fast enough to catch up. seeing necromancers pop up from ????
Ah well, good game. Hoburgs are really sucky in medium or short maps
>>123397024
medium or small* the burgerning is real
>>123397024
Wait, that was your capital? I thought it was that Motte-and-Bailey thingy converted to Hoburg culture.
I actually captured a city right under your nose.
GG anyway.
Yo Hinnom I sent you the goods for both of those blingrings senpai hook my shit up
Goat pussy and goblets of satyr cum all 'round!
>>123397292
You even saw my map so you obviously knew it was my capital
But I don't resent you from freeing me from that existential hell
That begs the question:
Can I convert small longdeads into banefire archers or not?
>>123397473
M8, choosing random was your choice. It's only logical that you'd suffer for it.
>>123397610
BANE?
>>123397404
I want to invade you so badly now.
>>123397610
I am well aware
>>123397670
If I strip the flesh from your bones, will you die?
>>123397885
It would be extremely painful
I can't play the legal steam version now for some reason wtf
>>123397885
WAS GETTING WARHAMMER REFERENCES PART OF YOUR MASTER PLAN?
>>123398071
forTHE EMPEROR
>>123398006
Restart it.
It happens because the pirate version stores the CD-key file in your %appdata%, but Steam stores it in the game folder. When you restart it it deletes the %appdata% version and restores your key in the game folder. Weird, I know.
Hoburgs ruined my life
>>123398274
I figured it was something like that . I just entered my real key when prompted to and it worked.
>>123397670
Get him on board, I'll call Ettin.
>>123386618
I'm Therodos dude, as in the person who's won as them, I know, but you don't not want the sea if you're next to half a dozen land nations.
>>123393373
There's Machaka within two moves of Xibalba cap who could have saved you.
How can Dwarves get rid of ancient forests?
>>123398853
Find a library and hope you get a random pyromancer mercenary.
Wow, those hoburgs are as useless dead as they are alive.
>>123399328
they die in droves eh
>>123399694
Seriously, their only upside is that they don't miss half of their attacks.
I'm changing hosting interval to 48 hours because MUH TURKEY HOLIDAY and MUH LATE-GAME MICROMANAGEMENT HELL, and because I have no time to send turn right now. Mictlan is also not very fast in that regard.
Monkeyman, do you remember i asked for the highest income province you had? I'm requesting it after the cast of well of misery.
So, that's who you are, mr. green player.
>>123400259
Fine by me, I need to finish playing dress up with an undead ettin.
>>123400497
Sup.
Why in the flying hell did I stale when I sent my turn. what the fuck. Oh well.
Temple question: If you have a well-defended area, is it a good idea to fill it with temples and let the candles flow out from there, or is it more efficient to space your temples evenly?
>>123400545
Well, I have some bad news for you.
>>123400741
I realise you probably have a horde of vampires and shit just hanging around, but whatever. Come at me.
http://www.llamaserver.net/doAdminAction.cgi?game=All_Yesterdays&action=showstales
Does anyone else have it as Pangaea is from the future?
>>123400726
Read the manual.
>>123394535
>he's not doing double turns either
He's not even doing single turns.
>>123400902
Yup.
>>123400931
I did. The manual doesn't say what happens if Dominion strength is already at maximum, I don't know if I lose candles or if they auto-spread beyond the edge of that area.
>>123400513
Give it a shroud so that I can charm it instead of enslaving it. Enslave doesn't let me keep the items.
>>123400902
I guess it accepted the turn 3 he was sent somehow. This game is such a clusterfuck. Must be what happens when you play with non-/domg/ autists.
>>123400259
s-sorry for that
m-muh holidays
i'm sending it right now
it's actually really hard for me because i'm playing micromanagement in a nation i didn't raise, so I have no idea of what i have.
>>123401429
>Not wanting to be in the first game with ligitimate time travel.
RIP my army.
Necromancer OP pls nerf. ;_;
>>123401528
You should've just send me a PM via Steam.
>>123400902
>>123401429
seems like a remnant from the memory leak. Seems benign.
>>123400975
alright, setting Gath AI
>>123401701
I never said it was a problem, I think it's awesome.
>>123401595
I did it because of 2 lucky Tartarian summons (in one turn, right before engaging you), and 2 lucky mage recruitments.
>>123401913
Meanwhile I never get any mage recruits.
I also haven't found any temples or libraries so that's probably the reason.
>>123402259
I only had 1 library, and it was from the city defended by a shitton of catapults.
>>123401429
it just got hit by a serverside issue, but it ended up getting worked out pretty quickly
>>123400931
>>123400726
>>123401142
the spread jump around randomly and always happen( unless against enemy dominion, in this case it has to " fight" it).
feel free to build 10 temples next to each other in the most well protected zone of your reign, but remember that if you need your dominion in a certain zone putting temples near it is better.
>>123402479
Okay, I just want loadsa candles, so jumping randomly is fine. I'm also putting it in places where I need more.
Hey Fartmaster, I'm gonna call it quits.
There's nothing I can get that stands a chance vs dragons and tartarians and it's almost midnight anyway so I need some sleep.
GG
>>123403527
GG, m8. Let's do that again sometime.
>>123403627
Yeah I'm gonna need some serious practice if I want to stand a chance vs your necro shenanigans though.
>>123403709
First you should try not setting yourself random :^)
>>123403784
What kind of pleb would do that?
>>123403709
you can't win against Necro on a map that small as a late game nation like priest King
and even then in late game they're hard to beat.
>>123403829
When you get Hoburgs, you'll know that I'm right.
Those Ahuranis are a real bitch, Caelum. It certainly doesn't help the killsquads I send after them (that are consistently getting larger and larger) move right as you decide to move them away.
>>123403784
I actually rather liked the Priest King I got this time, but I never got enough blood income to get any of the good shit.
Jaguars and Ozelotls are nice against indies, but you can't get enough of them to make a decent army.
>>123403829
peace
>>123403924
if everyone sets it to random, it gets more fun. you also learn more by playing a nation you never played before
>>123404003
what you need are the literal gods you can summon later.
>>123404005
Well, we could do that next time, I guess. That was my initial plan until you died to indies. But I shit you not, if I get Hoburgs, I'm going to be fucking pissed off.
>>123404137
Yeah but that means first getting 480 sacrifices to level up my king and then whatever ungodly amount I need to actually summon those guys.
When I have an income of 10 per turn that's not really all that realistic.
>>123404319
that's why you need a big map
Ulm is fucking huge. I see only two of his provinces, but one is in 140 and the other in 173.
>>123404189
I'm not the guy who played with you and lost to indies before
>>123401595
They really really are
>free armies for the cost of making one of your apprentices insane. Apprentices cost 60 gold.
>literally undead gods and dragons summonable at caster level 2
>at level 3 he can send armies he doesn't like to Hades, which is inescapable, filled with huge monsters, and passively kills all living units over time
>Also he can turn into an immortal teleporter that is immune to physical damage
On the other side you have nations like Hoburg:
>smaller, weaker, and slower than humans
>their super unit is a tree and
>if they pay extra they get mecha-armor that makes them about as tough as a human.
>shitty magic
>>123404005
No, friend. These games we play are games of war.
Sorry for the collision hethdah
>>123405712
Eh, necromancer has a good late game but at t he section of the game that it usually ends, he's is just a weaker demonologist.
>>123404946
He's also at 81.
Damn, that's a lot of land.
>>123406080
He gets his god-tier stuff earlier, his chaff for free, and his summons are guaranteed to serve instead of having a chance to break free.
That said, demonologists can spam a lot of cheapish low level casters, which do work in large fights.
>>123406080
Nah, not really.
Demonologists are good as well, but Necros can get better stuff earlier and HoG are generally much easier to stockpile than sacrifices.
>>123406183
It's okay friends I'll probably just stale anyways.
I'm not 'that' big in fact Shinu is right up against my capcircle
>>123407786
It's pronounced "Machaka"
>>123407939
Oh and Machaka.
>>123407786
>I'm not 'that' big
You are, unless you picked a direction and expanded in a straight line.
I guess it's gonna be removal time soon.
>>123408503
I hold 144, 124 and 117.
Not that I object on an objective level to my neighbour being gangbanged.
>>123408503
essentially I did, I'm only 13 provinces.if you want my big german sausage rammed into your throat though come at me.
>>123406893
>>123406396
this
Necros are really good
>>123400465
here you are. I don't think my scales have changed, and if they have it was by growth1->2
>>123408786
That's good man.
>>123408971
>believing Ulmish liescome at me m8 ill bash your head
>>123406080
>weaker demonologist
So before he gets his good stuff (ie, actual gods and dragons at level 2), he's weaker than one of the strongest other classes in the game, which gets summonable casters at level 1?
That's not as convincing as you think.
>>123409505
>ie, actual gods and dragons at level 2
And don't forget his main dude starts at level 2, so with a bit of luck you can get your first superunits at turn 15.
>>123409505
>>123406396
>be druid
>other classes can summon undead gods and Sorceror-devils at level 2
>look i made a goat
>>123409496
here's a map of where to get your ass fucked Jotunheim, if you'd like I can draw it for you instead.everyone but you has been cordial with me in game I know you're tiny and looking for an easy target but combustion seriously fucks frost giants up.
>>123409927
Jotunheim is vaetti m8. You'll want AoE stuff, not anti-giant stuff. The Jotuns themselves will lose to regular Ulmites in a straight brawl.
>>123410487
he's using Garmhirding currently, which I forgot lose their fire vulnerability.
>>123409680
>be Hoburg
>summon a rabbit
>get jealous of the Druid's goat
>>123410740
>size 4 low prot sacred berserkers
Go halt those heretics matey.
>>123409927
>underwater lizards
>mfw
Watch as they fill the whole lake with temples and generate poison candles on every shore.
>>123409927
That other guy wasn't me. And even assuming for a moment that I was tiny and looking for a target, why the fuck would I stir shit up with you, the one with whom I have the worst possible border for invading?If *you* are the one trying to start shit with me though, come at me and you won't be disappointed.
>>123411317
you're the only person I have a border with who hasn't talked to me about borders and shit, Shinu even apologized for killing some pikesthank you shinu you're a broso of course I assumed it was you, you mentioned being smaller than average here: >>123305364
>>123411317
oh and
>>123404946
140 and 73 are our borders m8.
W E W
L A D
>>123411715
I haven't talked with you because we share a very small border and being what they are there's nor risk of expansion parties running into each other.
But you're free to believe me or not, I don't particularly care.
>>123411971
The page refreshed with this just as I posted the other message. So? Don't you have scouts around? Aren't you trying to trade geopolitical info with other players?
>>123412145
>31 Mound Kings
I don't know why that was the funniest part to me
>>123412384
Mound Kings are useful for dragging loads of skellies around.
post your reaction pics when something bad happens
>this is what I feel when I fuck up something in my art
>I also feel this way when my goetic master dies less than a year after being upgraded.
>>123412284
just stating my evidence for the assumption, no need to be afraid, I don't want war, I have indies and ulm is better with more than 1 castle up.
Priest King and High Priestess are much more OP than Necro or Demonologist
Anaybody up for a MP game of CoE4, or are you all celebrating right now?
>>123413346
In lategame on a big map, yes.
Otherwise, not at all.
>>123412903
>no need to be afraid
I'm not. I just wanted to clarify my position. I'm also glad you want peace for now.
>>123413346
Why is that? Genuine curious noob.
>>123412145
It's everything I could have dreamed it would be.
>>123413840
Possibly the bless, which can get better over time?
I think you can only get each improvement once, but that would still be enough to make sacred units (and the bless spells) really good for their price.
I don't understand how that beats Demonologist's infinity spellcasting demons though.
>>123413816
>>123412903
SPIDER ENFORCED FRIENDSHIP HO!
>>123414073
I don't really know how if my assassinations are fucking you up, and how badly. Do you feel uncomfortable, or should I try doing something else?
>>123412145
What paths does that tartarian have?
>>123415417
Nothing overly great.
I think I'm going to enslave or disintegrate it.
>>123415672
Oh, so it killed all the skellytons by reaching the autorout turn limit? Here I was thinking it was an earthquake caster.
>>123415965
Would probably do much less damage. I had turn 1 Fag Warriors.
>>123414229
It serves as a constant reminder to make sure my communions all have extra slaves. I don't know what else you have to spend the gems on.
Also, I successfully converted at least one of the ashen angels, but I can't find it in any of my forts so IDK what actually happened to it.
>>123415965
I have one of those too, but it doesn't work underwater. I used it for Army of Lead last time we fought over that territory.
>>123416437
You can't enslave those. They disappear after the assassination attempt.
Presuming one of you is Pythium, I LIKED that griffon.
>>123415672
is there anyway to get rid of his old age? I tried blood feast and that didnt do shit because I imagine he's undead.
>>123416623
Sorry about that, I just see skeletons and I instinctively react against them.
>>123416552
The scales have fallen from my eyes. Ah well. BTW, the spell description says that it has only a 50% chance of being okay with a target. Is that for each commander, so it's almost guaranteed to find someone it likes in a crowded province, or have a bunch of those angels actually turned on the caster?
>>123416659
Nah, not for undead. Thanks for the idea, by the way. I'll aslo try spamming wind of death. It's probably going to die from a single lucky one.
>>123416860
It's 50% per commander per province. Not a single one turned on me, and there were plenty (they would fail to kill my Dusk Elders anyway). I mean, it's basic probability: even if you have only 3 commanders in the province, chances are, it's going to like at least one.
>>123416794
Wel remember where our borders were, I've been keeping to my side whilst helping you, like with eating the 300 strong expedition force.
>>123416860
Try it, get a dozen of your Arch Thaums to cast it.
>>123415672
He's geared for golem smashing, but I figured that he'd be immune to infinite longdead anyways.
>>123417112
He's probably pumping all his death gems into tart production. And he has surprisingly large quantity of non-retarded ones.
>>123417112
I'll leave the province without any PD in it, if it helps.
>>123417114
>Using tarts for Golem killing
Is it time to bring out the angel hit squads?
>>123417075
>It's 50% per commander per province. Not a single one turned on me, and there were plenty (they would fail to kill my Dusk Elders anyway). I mean, it's basic probability: even if you have only 3 commanders in the province, chances are, it's going to like at least one.
That makes sense; I just haven't used them before.
>>123418039
Pretty sure that the regular angels of the host will kill Tartarians, desu. You don't even need the SC guys. They were hitting for like 120 on my longdead
>>123418039
DOES THAT MAKE MY GRIFFON LESS DEAD?
Thanks marverni for fucking over my factories.. (i got most/all of the gems I've invested back through some heavy crafting, but it's still pretty shit)
>batman's gem income
I'm experiencing some extreme jealousy.
>>123393258
I'm still going to craft frostbrands for you, just only on the turns that my hammers are free.
>>123397404
I lost my ring of wizardry crafting capability for a while.
I'll notify you if it's back online. I can still craft you rings of sorcery though, so one bling is comming.
What does EA Pelagia research before gunning it to wish / arcane nexus? Can't think of a whole lot to do with just water paths.
Damn, that game is getting on my nerves.
I can't even cast all the usual nasty undead shit because I'm in the game with Sceleria and Asphodel. It's too late for BoT, Foul Air would only fuck up Pythium, abd Utterdark will probably allow Sceleria to win.
>>123418381
>tfw not included in the list
I want to go AI more and more every time this is posted.
>>123397404
>>123418381
I can make rings of wizardry if you need em now, just need the cash in advance since my gambling habit hasn't been paying off.
>>123418381
You already had a global, sorry dude.
>>123418224
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Flambeau's aren't great as a buildable item but fuck me if they don't completely vaporize undead.
>>123418239
NO I'M SORRY HE HAD A GREAT LIFE AHEAD OF HIM
>>123418381
Me too and I'm second on that graph.
>>123418673
Which AI are you so I'll have some troops ready to eat you?
Until someone beats my phoenix I am best drawfag here.
>>123419115
I'm Ur, and I got a shitload of bad provinces. I hope I get better income with the land I take from C'tis.
>>123414180
>Possibly the bless, which can get better over time?
They get much, much cheaper summon casters with no chance of failure. Tlaloques and Bacabs for example and the Desert Summons for the High Priestess. There's a chance of failure for Demonlogist, but none whatsoever for Priest King/High Priestess.
>>123395609
does the cracked dom4 version work for multiplayer?
>>123419268
>Bacabs
Meant Kings of Rain.
>>123419268
High preistesses eat villages though.
>>123418381
>tfw never on these lists
>there's no numbers on Illwinter's graphs so no way of knowing how I compare
Dammit.
Also, Batman's income is mostly slaves so it's not such a big deal.
Kailasa's income bump is due to EBDW, but did the Chinese have a gemgen up that I didn't even notice?
>>123420061
Even without the giant summons, you get stuff like fire breathing tarrasques, invulnerable angels, multiple charming lilot summons, and the shed/se'ir summons
Eating villages isn't that bad because you often get a big block of anakites or Zamzummites anyways
>>123418381
>that graph
hilarious
I actually wanted to see that graph this turn. Thanks.
I assume thanks to Well of misery Kailasa went to 9999 gold income or something like that. Can you post your highest income province this turn? i'm sure it's at least 600g
>>123419249
If you're gonna go AI make sure you have a border with me first, I could use some more provinces and lord knows shitty ones seem to be my manifest destiny this game.
>>123420263
Scroll up nigga.
>>123420061
Eating Towns is pretty good since you get a Grigori or Niefel
>>123420449
>>123420496
Insane. Y-you are welcome.
>>123420496
>spoonfeeding
>>123420673
It was a reasonable jump but not a huge one. Taking Berytos land was bigger.
>>123412145
Don't even bother, Sy is an autist who tests battles hundreds of times
>>123413346
Priest King mebbe. However, high priestess is not that hot shit. Reliable blood summons, but not that powerful.
>>123420832
Desert summons are really cheap and powerful
Here's your income graphs btw
>get a smaller jump than most nations because most of my shit is wastelands
Doing okay either way, but it's not fun.
>>123419268
>much cheaper, better summons
They are not cheaper or better, just more reliable.
>>123420984
Reliable is something that's pretty good to bank on.
>>123420792
He can't test what he doesn't expect.
Like those Dusk Elder traps that are lying in wait right now.
>>123420967
>big nations get big increases, medium ans small nations get nothing
Oy vey, this capitalism thing isn't favorable to the proletariat, Schlomo.
>>123420832
Priest King is one of the strongest endgame classes in the game, if not the strongest, but early on he's not that hot and in ages without lots of villages he's fucked.
>>123421084
You can only winds of death things so many times before thugs start getting used to clear the way before massive doomstacks walk in
>>123421657
Don't worry, I have better things than WoD.
>>123420967
the first grey is xibalba, but which one of the others is agartha? and who is the other one?
How do I kill large amounts of incorporeal stuff, especially undead?
>>123421998
Banishment.
>>123421949
Second grey is Therodos, I think. Agartha is all cave provinces, so stands to reason it'd be low.
>>123421998
Firestorm
>>123420915
They alright, but they're not great until greater bloodletting, and even then, they don't stack up to DEMONLORDS
>>123421949
>>123422147
Agartha is number 6. He's really big.
>>123420967
Is that line below me Bats? Because if so that's terrifying.
>>123422118
Now lets say they have high MR and my priests are expensive.
>>123423069
Depends on your paths, but generally evos with big AoE.
>>123422561
And he's just sitting underground not interacting with anybody? What's he even doing with all that gold?
>>123422196
Demon Lords can't be spammed and they have a chance of failure as well
>>123423192
Trying to finish taking caves.
>>123422561
And the bottom grey one is Helheim. He's still alive, yeah. AI spread like cancer in that corner.
>>123422147
Therodos is white. You can see his income going to shit.
>>123423192
He's growing. Underground is immense. There's a chunk of undeground he still needs to take like some extremely delicious premade sites - Temple of elemental evil, Vecna's tomb and such.
Also undeground colony of Ulm. That happened somehow.
>>123422992
I think he's been number two for a while now. Previous scoregraphs I posted had him as number 3?
>>123423192
According to my scouts? Building temples mostly. He has a ton of them. Someone should go down and raze them before he starts pushing dominion topside.
>>123423216
Much like your mother, even if they can't be spammed, there's still enough to use.
>>123423823
Messed that up.
Regardless, unlike Demonlogist and High Cultist, High Priestess and Priest King do not have a chance of failure.
Like Demon Lords, they have their equivalents with High Priestess's Watchers/Nephils and the Priest King's Six Gods.
>>123418381
>assume that Kailasa's growth this turn is 20, all due to EBDW
>measure it on my screen, it's 2.5cm
>round my gem income downand multiply by 2.5cm
>I'm second most after Xibalba, with no gemgen and no blood income
Hey Jews, how do you decide who to omit?
>>123425251
Which nation?
>>123425251
Size, income, danger to the world. If you arent top 5, top 5 has been or AI, you aren't making it on score graphs.
>>123425251
That's not how graphs work, they scale to what sides you can see.
>>123420792
lol, I can always tell when you get online. I actually haven't tested anything for this game since my one big fight against Pythium, but the fact that you're still butt bothered by it is funny.
>>123421818
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little lich? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Campus Sceleris, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Ermor, and I have over 300 confirmed banishments. I am trained in evocation warfare and I’m the top thaumaturg in the entire Scelerian mage corps. You are nothing to me but just another longdead. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision 11 the likes of which has never been seen before on this plane, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the thread? Think again, corpsefucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of scrying pools across Sceleria and your province is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, soulless. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your unlife. You’re fucking dead, skeleton. I can teleport anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my death paths. Not only am I extensively trained in thaumaturgical combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of Construction 8 artifacts and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your bony ass off the face of the continent, you little corpse. If only you could have known what holy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your clacking jaw. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you pankoman-damned idiot. I will summon furies all over you and you will drown in them. You’re fucking dead again, zombie.
>>123425635
Also, if anyone wants to know his specific position on various scoregraphs but is not a top dog, feel free to write me in game. I'll detail your shit.
>>123425641
That's why I found a known property on his graph (the gem income of EBDW) to use for scale.
>>123425635
>danger to the world
Does this mean "people I want to get gangbanged"? If so, I commend your taste since you listed everyone I'm worried aboutexcept you.
Come on guys, we almost had a perfect game, now we can't be smug noobs
How's this? She has a D9 bless for mages and ancestors, and the paths for Vampire Lords and Lamia Queens. Is the bless a huge waste I should ditch for scales, or maybe I should try different paths?
>>123425876
>Does this mean "people I want to get gangbanged"?
It's less personal. I'm not even a little bit worried about Marverni for example (even after forge), but he's still on the list because he is rich and famous. If you are big you get to be publicized.
>except you.
I'm hoping I can add myself to the hall of rich and famous in a nearby future.
You can expect me to add anyone growing to be a top dog to the list.
>>123426632
Unlike TC, you have better things to do with your low tier mages than spam ancestors, so the death bless is much less valuable. It also doesn't help your cavalry much at all. Sauro also really gets a lot out of scales in general, since more gold = more forts = more spamming mages.
>>123426632
High death is really good since you can channel your d2-4 sitesearching into death heavy endgame. But D9 is an overkill, surely.
Here's something I'd use with those paths.
>>123426817
Sauromantian cavalry isn't good enough to take bless for it.
>>123426429
>implying most of the people in the game were noobs
>>123427207
>sauro cav isn't good enough for bless
>post replied to SPECIFICALLY SAYS IT IS FOR ANCESTORs
>>123427334
>>123426817
> It also doesn't help your cavalry much at all.
Like, it's not worth to even consider cavalry when tweaking the bless. If you take high magic you take it for globals and that's it.
>>123426817
True but an enarie, or witch king, in a large enough communion can spam an insane number of them,
>>123427207
That's pretty much with what I started with, but I think I had D3 originally and tried to buy an extra scale. Why D5 specifically, if you don't mind explaining?
>>123427739
Because D5 is a break point for high death. With two boosters you get D7 and D7 gives you tarts if you want
You can also get well of misery up easier without going deeper into conjuration for skullface, just needs a skullstaf.
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You set it to D4 and you've basically got same shit as your witch kings already have.
You go higher than D5 and you aren't getting much out of it, just slightly stronger overcasts at the cost of scales and a wight factory at conj9.
I hacked the starting gold in coe4 cause it was pretty stupid starting with 20.
Now you get 100! Think of all those deer you can fight off.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ft66zrk901fmu4u/coe4_4.0_money.7z
I don't have retail so it's just for the 4.0 pirate version. If someone uploads the latest retail I can modify it.
>>123428032
Sauro can bootstrap into D5 pretty easily, though. Witch kinds have a high chance at D4 (and a small chance at D5). You can bootstrap a significant fraction of D4s into D5 with twiceborn without spending pretender points.
>>123427641
I'm lazy as balls wrt figuring out expansion parties and W9 cavalry expands so easily it's like cheating.
>>123428145
Forgot to say it works in mp, only the server needs it.
>>123428419
Expanding with Sauro is so easy. Just build 1 hydra.
>>123428145
Thanks, champ!
Our next daily MP game will be going with this mod.
