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Report and ignore it
How fares your empire, /gsg/?
This day in history, November 14th:
1862 – American Civil War: President Abraham Lincoln approves General Ambrose Burnside's plan to capture the Confederate capital at Richmond, Virginia, leading to the Battle of Fredericksburg.
1914 – The Ottoman Empire declares war against Britain, France, Russia, Serbia and Montenegro during the early months of World War I.
1922 – The British Broadcasting Company begins radio service in the United Kingdom.
1941 – World War II: In Slonim, German forces engaged in Operation Barbarossa murder 9,000 Jews in a single day.
1969 – Apollo program: NASA launches Apollo 12, the second crewed mission to the surface of the Moon.
>News
EU4 - DD 12/11
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/eu4-dev-diary-november-12th-2015.890999/
CK2 DD7
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/dev-diary-7-rules-of-engagement.890758
>Random Country Picker
http://randomcountry.gbasood.net/
# Archive
https://mega.co.nz/#F!WZZFXDyT!yyb25ZuLdLs0B8vhoKS3LA
# Mods
>> READ THIS FIRST.
http://pastebin.com/cCdcev76
>>[EU4] - BDSM
http://pastebin.com/vYbnKvK2
>>[CK2 - 2.4.3] - After The End
https://github.com/notalbanian/postapoc
>>[V2] - Liangmod V0.1
https://www.mediafire.com/?fm7kgwo9m83yqxu
>>[V2] - Historical Project Mod 0.3.1.7 - 20/08/2015
http://pastebin.com/66gpxbKk
>>[V2] - Napoleon's Legacy v0.3.1.4
http://pastebin.com/sN1g69sr
>>[V2] Alternative Flag Pack V6
http://pastebin.com/PRQH8vcV
>>[V2]Mish Mash Map Mod
https://mega.co.nz/#F!rItzBSoL!cRR-s9OTOJbJUht4hnAw3w
>>[HoI3] YAMDaM v0.54
http://www.mediafire.com/download/md4tzqe2gg6stfv/
Old thread >>122225453
Reminder to report and ignore shitposting.
First for 13 posts early is the new meme
>>122305490
Are you a memeber of the new steamgroup, BCM?
>>122305483
Literally you
This thread is made in the name of Allah, the most gracious, the most merciful.
>tfw Oirat already removed a lot of kebab for you
>>122305660
thanks crane
>>122305490
Forgot to take off your name big shitposter guy
>>122305574
Seeing as he's a shitposter, I wouldn't doubt
>>122305812
>he's a shitposter
>you're a shitposter
>everyone is a shitposter
Allahu Akbar my islamic brothers, we will make those french kuffars pay for 732!
Battle of Tours, never forget!
Best total conversion mods for CK2 not including Geheimnisnacht and Elder Kings
>>122306014
Diadochi Kings
>>122305692
Some of you guys are Oirat, don't go to Teheran tomorrow.
>>122305692
How did you start? What's your objective?
>>122306058
I was thinking fantasy
>>122306058
How do you even install this mod?
I tried yesterday but couldn't get it to work
>>122306330
Then you will love Diadochi Kings
>>122306330
Lux Invicta
>>122305960
>>122305812
>>122305574
But anons, I don't belong to any steam groups.
>>122306445
DESU it looks like shit, is it still getting updated?
>>122306187
>How did you start
Custom nation of Greater Serbia situated where you'd expect it to be.
Objectives are to attempt mass pan slavicizm and kebab dismantling, but now I'm just trying to make my borders look nice and become Eastern Roman Empire: Super Slav Sized edition.
>>122306505
>not a single gay porn tab
What are you doing, senpai.
>>122306505
I want normies OUT
>>122306505
>>122306651
Yeah, at least open e621 or something.
>>122306460
Link for that, also will all the religions slow my game down?
>>122306523
Yes
>>122306928
I don't know I don't play meme games with meme mods.it's been months since I last played any gsg
>>122306639
>Aragon
>>122306950
delet this
>>122306639
So just a generic, boring blob made with a cheat nation
>>122305375
>He didn't even bother to update the HoI dev diary
Reminder there's a non-autist-made thread here:
>>122305796
>>122307225
Good old believable worlds
CK2 needs mods more like HPM
>>122307225
Considering how Paradox now doesnt care for history and is all for 'muh mp balance' they will probably do it.
>>122307395
Nice try, steamgroup.
>Kingdom of England declared in 806, full unification by 812 - 814
How did I do?
>>122307395
Nobody cares about memes of iron 4. I think I'll stay here.
>>122307549
Holy shit how did this never got mentioned before?
>>122307395
Reminder these are the people that made the other thread
>>122307786
>>122307395
Shitposters who claim to be the "new memebloc" and are known to spam the thread with the willy copypasta
>>122305483
he's slipping bros
>>122307225
ok
t. wiz
>>122307740
We are too busy making the final showdown between the mongols vs the aztecs
>>122308072
I feel honored that someone would be so autistic about me. I'm not even a member of the 'neu steamgrup'.
t. Lad
>>122308271
Wrong pic
>>122308072
>Cropping out all the parts of the conversation that don't support your side of the conflict
Wew
Well, there goes my perfect warlord king.
Years, years of glory held back by some alchemist kek.
As soon as heir goes 16 this guy is a goner.
Death by console commands.
At least he could pass the ambitious trait to his son before becoming a kek.
>>122308287
>>122308287
>>122308287
i am very autistic about, you in fact i hate you
i bet you're also the report and ignore shitposting guy just trying to bait people into shitposting
sorry for late reply for some reason i got connetcion error
>>122307156
If you're reffering to Norway I fed them the nation to dismantle the HRE
>>122308881
Why is your king a colombian?
>>122308934
I wish I was this as devoted as that ignore and report guy, trust me.
But I have ironically defended the infopic just to stir shit up.
>>122307634
>charlememe
No seriously, that start is just bad. At least stick with Old Gods.
fuck. I just accidentally keked my best friend.
Now he has to raise my kid.
Daily reminder to report and ignore shitposts, including this one.
Also, it is against the rules to tell somebody you have reported or are reporting them
>>122309662
I miss Rheinhart
>mfw playing and France drops you as an ally given what awful stuff's happened to them and you wanna be their ally today.
>>122309662
>>122310014
>report and ignore
Isnt that contradictory? How do you ignore it if you're reporting it?
>>122303704
rate my meme map :^)
>>122310071
Don't ask me senpai, ask the autist who spams it every thread.
>>122310091
WESTERN SAHARA MOROCCAN SAHARAbut this map sucks dick desu
>>122310071
>if you report it, you can't ignore it
>if you ignore it, there is no point in reporting
At last I truly see
>>122310091
Uh
Flanders is dutch
Cyprus should be greek
>israeli suez
>russian abkhazia
Other than tha it's fine. Germany might be too big.
>>122310091
no hungary 10/10
>>122310249
you do know it's multiple people, right? I can vouch because I post rarely but see it posted all the time.
I like to think it's a good tradition left behind from the turdslayer days
also s/o to the anon that made these posters.
you're cool
>>122306708
>want normies out
>want 6 unique posters at all times
>>122307572
Hey, I wanted to post that.
>>122308072
"Lad" confirmed for either Kojak or Turkslayer
>0 AE
>Take one province
>Coalition
>>122311594
playinginthelowcounties.jpg
>>122311269
>"Lad" confirmed for either Kojak or Turkslayer
Nah, but the recent talks about new order and the Steamgoup coup made start to crave being important, even in such an insignificant group as /gsg/.
>>122311014
Yeah, I remember the anon who made the posters
Pretty cool guy
I also posted the warning a few times, but honestly, people who get bothered by it are not worth trying to reason with
>>122310091
Do you have the template?
>>122309636
oh shit he found out.
i confessed since I'm a good person.
>>122312149
I crave importance, it's why I wear the name.
>>122312215
Love the posters, really captures that unique /gsg/ spirit.
>>122312343
If you posted as an Anon would you die?
>>122312290
>pic
>>122312493
It would be extremelymemeful.
>>122312652
You're a big faggot.
>>122312735
t. Wiz
>>122312735
I think you picked the wrong door lad.
>>122312735
meh
>>122305483
YOU'RE LATE FAGET
>>122313054
Seriously, are you trying to be this annoying? Reading your posts kinda makes me wish I could meet you IRL so I could explain some things to you manually.
![1258[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MXEVinS.jpg "1258[1].jpg")
>>122313398
>say that to my face in person not online faggot
>>122313526
Indeed, I did sound a little like that cliched saying.
>>122312735
henk. i used to play on bagil. every other server is shite
>all this disease
fug i hope i'm safe.
Hey america minimod guy, there's a bug in the annexation of the dominican republic where you can't annex them.
The decision requires this:
2214 = { is_core = HAI }
2216 = { is_core = HAI }
But every single choice in the dominican revolution removes the Haitian cores
>>122315087
i played as USA in the minimod and annexed the domicans fine
>>122314865
just move away from it
What is more important to unionist dreams of countries? I mean genetics (ethnicity), language (accent), culture (habits). We can pick for example England. They are most ethnic and culturally german (including norse) but with some latin genes (normans). But the accent and language even being germanic are VERY latinized with kind of 60% of the english words are of latin origin. If the world is divided between federations (latin, germanic, slavic, black, arabian etc) where the english people should stay? I'm doing my perfect europe map and that doubt came.
>>122316785
Are you autistic?
>>122316785
Anglos should be there own federation along with the USA-Canada.
>>122316838maybe
>>122316785
anyone who speaks english should be exterminated
t. johan
t. wiz
Does anyone have the /gsg/ movie chart?
>>122309662
Can someone explain to me what's the deal about that"one particular German even joined the French Foreign Legion"?I've seen that image plenty of times but i never understood what's so cool about it.
>>122315087
>>122315582
What else does this mod do
>>122317101
Literally in the archive.
kebabs?!
>>122317101
here familly
>>122317382
Mostly flavor and touches up regions in northwest/canada. Makes reconstruction a bit more dynamic too. not that bad of a mod desu.
>>122317582
>borgias, tudors
dropped
>>122317582
>Game of Thrones
Game of Thrones isn't a movie you fucking mongoliod
>>122316785
Thinking more about that hypothetical world I thought maybe this culture mixing between latin people and germanic did an new culture, and this is english people. Maybe they must have this own federation or maybe it's a reason of wars because both can claim it. I'm very autist, lol.
>>122317614
Is it called america minimod because I can't seem to find it in the archive
>>122305375
why isnt hip mentioned in the infopic?
>>122318196
Butthurt autists
>>122318196
because the infopic is a meme
>>122317582
>East vs West
Too soon.
>>122318189
http://pastebin.com/mQ9iF4wZ
Lads, I need help to export the Overthow Monarchy faction and decision from AGOT mod to a separate modular minimod. Which files should I mess with?
>>122317582
there is a good /his/ movies thread also if anyone is interested in a deeper discussion about the kinda movies /gsg/ likes
>>122317582
>GoT
>M*A*S*H
Are you retarded?
>>122318803
wena nido
>>122317582
>Almost all war movies
>>122318803
Here's a pic you might like weanon
>>122318064
>>122318117
>>122318978
Chill out spergs,i didn't make the list.Also, i like that you scream and rage about GoT but didn't say shit about Rome.Probably because you don't watch good shows.And who gives a fuck if the guy who made the list added some shows to it.
>>122318589
thanks
>>122319257
GoT is like the 3rd item on the list and Rome is the last, it's no wonder people noticed it first.
>>122319232
>Partido Socialista
It's a funny meme because it's true.
>>122318978
>MASH
>not being on a movie list
I think you're the retard anon.
>>122319787
Except what's there is literally M*A*S*H, the most popular TV show to ever exist you fucking moron.
>>122317582
That's kinda old, although there still are those movies
>letting commies take over germany and italy
fucking disgusting.
>>122319143
>History is not 75% war
John Green please
>>122320074
How good is 'Allo 'Allo? Kind of need a new TV show to start watching and a comedy would be nice.
>>122314865
what mod is this?
>>122320278
On that note here's a /k/ list
>>122320485
I believe it is diadochi kings
Threadly reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCEUZ4rFiac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T65SwzHAbes
>>122320393
It's pretty darn good. It's been years since I watched it, but I would recommend it even if you're not into sitcoms.
>>122320393
Its bloody great lad and its got a real English sense of humor
invading greece is fun.
>>122321984
How much work do you think it would take to clean up Daidochi Kings a little bit? I just mean like adding proper styles to different religions and cultures, since right now they're using the same Christian frames.
>>122318803
wena socito
como andan las cosas
>>122321984
wew getting greece now so I don't have to spend billions of years conquering it later.
>>122322438
I really can't say, this is like my second time playing it after avoiding it for a long time because it was buggy as shit.
Is it any fun playing the UK in Victoria 2, considering that you start out on top?
>>122318189
It's on HPM pastebin
>>122323275
Ah, it's always nice to see some quality willyposting. Thanks mate.
>>122323327
GET OUT CIVKUCK
>>122323275
Ello willy!!!!!
>What sets CK2 apart from me are the numerous stories it produces. When I play it at work (yeah, that’s something I try to do when I’m not too stressed out), I often feel the urge to tell people on the team what happened to my characters. Like when I’ve sent out my first born son to join the Varangian guard and he comes back a homosexual and suddenly I’m playing a Norse Viking, the King of Sweden who has a lover bodyguard. There are very few computer games that allow for that gaming experience.
sweden yes
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/dev-diary-3-birken-about-ck2.886646/
r8
>>122323731
>partido socialista
fuck off f.am
>>122323731
>France owns Nice
Could you get even more cvcked?
>>122323731
>GroB Finlandiums
>>122323731
>no libya
>no eritrea
>no savoy
>only part of dalmatia
>no albania
>no puppeted yugoslavia
>no italian maghreb
>no italian mesopotamia
at least you have corsica, what were you ranked?
>>122324310
>no eritrea
Check the map again.
>no puppeted yugoslavia
I managed to puppet Croatia, but Serbia annexed Bosnia before I could sphere and ally them.
>what were you ranked?
4. Germany ended up being number 1.
Anyone have any more pics of AI countries being amazing or being complete shit.
Here's France from when AE made a you able to be coalitioned at -30, and the AI still played like it was -50.
Found a more recent one
>>122324627
you don't have all of eritrea, egypt owns the north
how was your industry like?
Does BDSM remove the option to call allies to war or am I just blind?
>>122305375
does anyone have the russian baltic fleet post? I deleted that piece of comedy.
>>122325728
This one from /k/?
>>122325935
YES, thank you man!
these things are gold.
>>122325375
post a pic lad
>>122326778
nevermind lad, tried another country and it worked.
do they have to be your ally before the war starts?
How lewd playing as a slaneeshi in the warhammer mod is?
>Decide to try out CK2
>Actually enjoy it
>It causes my computer to overheat
What the fuck
WHAT IS GOING ON??
>>122328109
Deus mi!
Carolus Italiam vicit!
>>122327779
clausewitzengine.jpg
reee my pussy ass son gave into faction demand.
Now I have to wait until I die, so that when he inherits I'll be able to press the claim.
fuck. I had this shit planned out too.
>>122328109
Romance Kingdom desu
>>122306014
Crisis of the confederation
>>122329910
>you will never live in a world where that maps looks like this
why even bother continuing to live
>>122331415
>le left bank meme
Fuck off Pierre, go back to your Bataclan
>>122331415
Join the foreign legion, maybe then you'll be able to do something about it, frankaboo.
>>122329429
Oh my god you shit you'd better win.
>>122331582
>>122331631
i was just memeing, no need to get salty
>>122331645
How much balanced and realistic this Diadochi mod is regarding the mechanichs and the portraits?
>>122331878
It's CK2 set like a thousand years earlier, so some things are pretty fugged.
ex: Rome is basically a hereditary monarchy because there's no way to represent the actual republic.
>>122332324
But Rome was a hereditary monarchy by the 400s, only thing that can't be simulated is how Roman Emperors would often adopt another Rome to make them their heir to the Empire
Also show starting map
Requesting the "them fucking pops" neckbeard GSG player drawing.
>>122333253
>adopt another rome
>>122333315
How many times are you going to request this image?
>>122333315
i know that reddit has a lot of funny memes, maybe try there
>>122333315
you mean this one ? :)
>>122333253
Maybe edit the election system so only the player can vote?
>>122333428
>>122333496
>>122333672
Thanks, friends.
>>122333672
how is /dfg/ doing?
>>122333253
>400
It's set after the Monarchy became a republic though, it's even got events for elections and shit, even a trait for being a senator, though they're broken. The mod's still in development so that can be excused though.
The date is like that because ck2 can't into negative dates; the startdate is like 360 bc or some shit, but the in game date is like 415 ad.
Here's the starting map
>>122333315
>>122333428
>>122333496
>>122333672
>>122333792
Get memed.
>>122334151
It uses the roman calendar, which counts up from the mythical founding of rome
>>122334151
That red blob is the Seleucid Empire or the collapsing Alexandrian Empire?
>>122334640
Neither; It's Persia.
>>122334636
wew, didn't notice that.
probably should have too, considering I was playing eu rome just a few dats ago.
I'm used to senseless out of the way blobbing in this game, I've been playing for long enough that English Croatia and Bohemian Samarkand don't bother me.
This though, this is a step above.
>>122334171
Seriously though, save this damn thing already so it isn't requested every single thread.
t. yohan
>>122335590
estonia is a shithole anyway, who cares.
>>122334171
>actually helping a redditor
harikari
>>122334887
>Persia
You actually convinced me to meme all the night along
Although I refuse to play as a fucking ancient Hellenic listening to medieval songs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0D7ERIFiEE&list=PL57E9312D8419C102&index=30
I need the CK2 rape mod, lads
>>122337158
Have you imprisoned your sister?
>>122337279maybe
>>122337158
there is one on steam workshop.
>>122337335
what's it called?
Is there is anything else to do after you win?
>>122337428
>conquered the entire known world
>15k score
>>122337416
>what is a torture mod called?
Well geez, genius. What do you think?
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=503399786
>>122337428
Play as a king level member of your family.
Become emperor.
>>122337572
someone should really update the archive
>>122337572
so how long until paradox removes this
>>122337691
Nigga was smart. He doesn't actually say there's rape in it (it's called Force Yourself Upon ingame).
It has been up for quite a while.
>>122337428
Play until end date, then convert to eu4 and play a different nation
>>122336935
I refuse to play this garbage anymore
>no antiquity BGM
>vanilla portraits have literally been not touched
>economy is unbalanced
>fucked up atrittion system
Thanks but I'll wait for a few years until it actually becomes playable and flavoured
>>122337930
>whats EU Rome
>>122337987
even worse
>>122337930
>sparda
:DDDDD
>>122331415
>you will never live in a world where romania submersa exists
>>122305482
JUST FUCK MY MAP UP ᶠᵃᵐ
>>122306059
This should have gotten a (You) but it didn't, so here's a (You)
>>122306059
good post
>>122337930
>Decide to try play the rise of alexander
>Wonder how I'm going to fight Persia who has like 3x the troops I have
>Realise at most I can take a single duchy, instead of annexing all of their land
>Realise I can't even declare war on Darius
I dropped that mod pretty fast.
>>122339740
What would you call this monstrosity I've created? I started out reclaiming the lost territories of Upper Lorraine, in the process of that ended up destroying the Burgundian Low Countries and inheriting Brabant, and along with it the titular Duchy of Lothier, Lower Lorraine so went about reforming Lotharingia. I got made an elector right as I was contemplating leaving the Empire so I bullshitted that I'd made a deal with the Emperor to remain in the empire in exchange for the united Duchy of Lorraine being made a Kingdom and an elector.
A little while after that I inherited Ireland out of the blue, looked over across the channel to see Britain devolved into feuding petty kingdoms, all of them heretics and invaded to restore the Kingdom of England.
>>122341510
You're going to release the english right?
>>122342054
You think I should? Yeah it's a blob, but it's relatively aesthetic and has roleplaying justification behind it. Plus since the AI is perfidious as all fuck as soon as I withdraw from the isles all I'll have spent my time, effort and cash on is turning England back into a powerful rival.
This is some gay shit lad
>>122341510
Take Scotland, Denmark and Norway. Call itthe United Kingdom
The fall of eagles is pretty cool
>>122343121
Willy is /gsg/™ material
>>122342509
Is puppet state optional?
Maybe same dynasty
Do whatever feels right, if you think it is best to keep england than do that lad, its just a bit blobby for my likes
So Ships no longer consume fuel any more.
As in that is a decision they made for game """""balance""""" rather thanrealism because they find italy and japan unfun to play with navies that have to sit in port because steel but no fuel.
Ive defended and agreed with the decisions of everything else but this..
![Fall.of.Eagles.E03.DVDRip.UncleHex.mkv_snapshot_13.33_[2015.11.15_05.46.59].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/G5E1hWn.jpg "Fall.of.Eagles.E03.DVDRip.UncleHex.mkv_snapshot_13.33_[2015.11.15_05.46.59].jpg")
Being willy is suffering
![Fall.of.Eagles.E03.DVDRip.UncleHex.mkv_snapshot_08.51_[2015.11.15_05.38.33].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kf0NKuv.jpg "Fall.of.Eagles.E03.DVDRip.UncleHex.mkv_snapshot_08.51_[2015.11.15_05.38.33].jpg")
>>122343825
It's already a mobile game that plays itself, how are soccer moms going to manage fuel!
>>122343825
everything is lumped as supplies now, so you can run your ships and tanks and people entirely on snickers bars if you have them or something. I don't know. Once something runs out of snickers you just delete it and make a new one.
decided to just invade Epirus for myself because I couldn't intervene in my kid's war.
now I just have to quell his rebellion and the succession should be all good.
Why are there so many Byzantinefags as opposed to people who wish the western empire never fell?
>>122345446
Byzantium stuck around for a heck of a lot longer.
![Fall.of.Eagles.E03.DVDRip.UncleHex.mkv_snapshot_10.34_[2015.11.15_05.43.11].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eOaRamo.jpg "Fall.of.Eagles.E03.DVDRip.UncleHex.mkv_snapshot_10.34_[2015.11.15_05.43.11].jpg")
>>122345446
Because le crusades and le remove kebab
>>122345446
The west fell to more Christians, wheels Byzantium was stabbed in the back by Catholic Venetian dogs allowing the Islamic empire to extend its reach
god damn burgundy inheritance event.
They refuse to turn their ruler into a leader.
Why is EU IV so shitty?
>>122346083
have you played eu3 recently?
Got the old save back, continuing with heretic Scotland.
>>122345652
Do you happen to be the same person that made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hEbKGTBZLY
>>122346135
vicky is the only good paradox game sadly.
>>122346083
>>122346135
point being its not so bad, when you go back to eu3
>>122346270
I hope you mean vicky2
>>122345432
Huh, it turns out other people CAN get the senator trait and be elected as consul.
Now Rome has almost no territory though because it's all in my demesne.
Also I literally only just now found out "demesne" is pronounced "domain". fucking normans.
>>122345652
>Byzzashits talking about catholic backstabbing
>>122346640
>Also I literally only just now found out "demesne" is pronounced "domain". fucking normans
wat... well me too
>>122346694
Begone, Merchant of Venice
>>122347190
reminder that the greeks deserved everything they got for slaughtering the latins
So I civilized as Imperial Japan, it's the 1850s, and I still don't have the Meiji country flag. How much longer is this going to take?
>>122347612
you'll get it a month or two into 1860.
>>122347669
why 1860?
>>122347669
Thanks. Should I be worried about the other daimyos that are civilizing south of me? I have two 24 stack armies, and I don't know how far ahead I am in terms of military tech.
>>122347190
>byzzies were good boys they dindu nuffin, need mo money for dem orthodox churches
>>122347905
>venetians were good boys they dindu nuffin, need mo money for dem Mamluks
>>122325935
What adds to this is the head commander of the fleet was a training officer who commanded ONE SMALL SHIP in the Black Sea just 2-3 years before the operation. One day, Nicky saw his boat perform - scored perfect shots. So impressed, he bumped the guy up in the ranks.
>>122347791
The leadup to the overthrow of the shogunate happened in the early 1860's and Meiji was crowned in 1867 when his father died suddenly of illness. In game the event is set to fire any time after 1860 but has a really high mtth so you never end up waiting long.
>>122347905
>>venetians were good boys they dindu nuffin, need mo money for dat papal dick
