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>"I want PS3 Vesperia!"
Vanilla Vesperia actually has more content than most tales games and while the PS3 version adds a few nice additions, it also runs a little bit worse and has a lower resolution
However if you still want to import it, a text walkthrough can be found here http://hyouta.com/vesperia/ or the English patch and information on installing it here http://www.talesofvesperia.net/
>Blog with graphic rips from Zestiria and several other games in the series
http://brilliantcataclysmrips.tumblr.com/
Sooo...It seems that instead of just having raised a couple of orphans, Gramps pretty much raised Sorey and Mikleo as tools to take down the Age of Chaos the previous shepherd started? I haven't finished the game yet so I don't know how I feel about it, but...
>>121779495
Yes, he but he still gave them a choice.
>framerate drops in cutscenes
I thought Xillia was supposed to be the rushed, cheap product. Why is ToZ so defective? I'm always afraid the game will crash or something.
>>121779562He did? It almost starts to feel like if the Alisha thing hadn't happened he would have just sent them off to Ladylake himself or something. Or will that be touched on later?
I want to cum in Alisha.
>>121779743
What version are you playing? I don't think I've seen any framedrops during cutscenes on PC. Not yet at least.
>>121780227
I'm not sure that was his plan, he says in the very beginning of the game that Sorey and Mikleo had been raised to protect Elysia like all the other seraphim in the village. I think if Sorey had never shown any desire to leave Elysia, he could have stayedthough Heldalf probably would have come knocking eventually so they would have been fucked.But Mikleo also said that Jiji suspected all along that Sorey would leave one day to the human world and had prepared him for that accordingly.
Even if the Alisha thing hadn't happened, Sorey and Mikleo's love for ruins and the Celestial Record probably would have triggered their wanderlust sooner rather than later. That Ladylake was so closeby, and Lailah just happened to be hanging out in a building they were very likely to visit...well, it wasn't totally a coincidence, but it still would have been up to Sorey to talk to Lailah and choose to become the shepherd.
>>121781285
>Mikleo's love for ruins and the Celestial Record
Gotta wonder if his opinion on that book has been tainted now...
>>121781012
PS3. Would be nice if I could play the PC version just to steamroll through the game and get the story over with. The shop system is just as annoying as Xillia's.
>Amber armor
>+1+2+3
>new armor comes along after getting everyone upgrades
>regret selling old stuff because the LoL demands sacrifices for bonuses
Not like there's any reason to upgrade since fusion makes everything easy mode. I just have OCD for this kinda stuff.
>>121781396
Well, that's the thing. Weapons/Armor isn't usually a straight upgrade, it's best to keep most of your stuff and just fuse it so you can switch it up for whatever situation is best.
>>121781363
I'd say the Michael reveal tainted both boy's views on their favorite book, at least a little. But that's okay, Mikleo can write a better one that includes the story of his husbando.
>>121781550
I'm holding on to my stuff though it seriousy, really bothers me to no end seeing "NEW" flashing and old eq sitting in my inventory. I always sell old stuff and keep all the new, shiny things only.
Zestys selection of cameo costumes was pretty lame outside of Meebos.
>>121782571
I don't get why they keep adding cameo costumes. Most of the time they don't fit the character at all (Jude as Leon? Dezel as Luke? Seriously?)
are there any pics of edna witha meebo amiibo
>>121782781
I swear it's popularity based. Fans love Yuri and Luke. A lot. I think it's more about the money over integrity. Rose as Milla looks terrible. In fact, I hate Milla's X2 outfit anyway. But Milla's popular so she has to be included. Makes no sense why Lailah couldn't get it when she has the hair for it. In fact she should have gotten Muzet's dor spirit purposes.
Dezel would look best in Alvin's X2 fit. Another anon mentioned Zaveid in Regal's.
>>121783524
>dor
I need sleep.
>>121783524
>Lailah as Muzet
Yes, please. Scamco Why didn't you do it? Also Luke, Leon and Yuri are the general top three in popularity polls, so I can see it being a popularity thing.
>>121783524
>Makes no sense why Lailah couldn't get it when she has the hair for it.
Or Grune (long hair, dress, headdress).
Along that line, really confused that they did a Evagelion line but didn't give Mikleo a Kaworu costume.
>>121783524
>Rose as Milla looks terrible
But anon, she looks damn good in that outfit.
>>121784128
I kinda like that hair on her.
>>121784128
I think Rose and Alisha should have switched cameo costumes.
>>121784128
Yo, Rose would not let that fly. Just sayin.Well, maybe..
>>121784337
I dislike the stupid ahoge, but other than that it's really good.
>>121784403
Nah, Alisha can keep that terrible Cheria outfit. Also, Rose is totally not the kind of girl who would want to wear that frilly outflit.
>>121784128
Only the hair looked good. Why couldn't she dress as Rita? Wasn't a fan of it on Colette but at least Rose has the short red hair. And conservative fashion sense.
>>121773947
This is pretty much exactly how I felt after finishing the game, you have a lot of great ideas such as human/seraph interactions, the general publics view of the Shepherd, and everything not being black and white among many others. They end up touching on each point but then don't expand on the ideas as much as you would like throughout the game while some get dropped entirely. I've seen some people say this is bad writing but I'd have to disagree, it felt like they wrote it all out but then never got around to adding the actual content into the game.
What we are left with is bits and pieces of interesting storylines, Maltran has this huge connection to Alisha but then Alisha disappears from the story, you start out getting sucked into politics but then suddenly the idea is dropped and you don't experience any of that in Pendrago, and then you have moments like the bridge scene or the war where you see how normal citizens react to the Shepherds power. The Trial portion of the game is what really stood out to me due to how little interaction it had with the world during it. You have this neat little bit dealing with Slenge before the fire trial but then it's just a quick jog to the other 3 with nothing really going on. Where is Heldalf during all this? Where are his subordinates? Why did Symonne only pop in near the end of the game? I mean hell, I was totally fine with how they went about detailing malevolence but then Rose ends up not making any sense at all in relation to the subject, like they had a lot more to go into with her but said nah forget it shes just perfect.
I have to stop myself from going on and on about it because there are so many aspects to the game that felt like this, I enjoyed it overall but it could have been an amazing game if they actually put in the rest of the content.
>>121785561
>Where is Heldalf during all this?
Cambria Caves and the Camelot Bridge. Though he pretty much oneshots you if you make it to him.
>>121785191
Rita's outfit is fucking stupid. I always hate that asymmetrical stocking or whatever it is on her legs.
Just give the Niren outfit >>121784972 to Rose and call it a day.
>>121785975
Hah, well yeah, but story wise shouldn't he play an active role in the story instead of chilling waiting to be ganked for the bad ending? At the very least he should be causing more trouble like the war for you to react to.
Did Ludger ever realize that Bisley was his father? I mean Julius knew didn't he?
>Neither Rose or Lailah got a Sheena outfit
>>121786430
I thought it was implied that he was basically letting Symonne go around and manipulate people towards war while he went around hellionizing creators into stronger, more corrupt versions. There's a pair of seraphim hanging around the hunting grounds at one point who are like "Pff, fuck human affairs, we don't give a shit" and then Heldalf kidnaps one of them specifically to toss him into the middle of the battle once it gets going to push him into becoming that dragon.
>People say Xillia is shit
>Love it
>People say Xillia 2 is better in every way
>It's worse in every way having more characters
>>121787078
My guess is that people like Xillia 2 better because Ludger is more fun to play. The plot was worse in every aspect and sometimes didn't even make sense.
>>121787443
It had some fun what-if kind of concepts though.
And that bad ending...
>>121787443
I personally don't like playing as him since his unique mechanic is just for being a combo machine and Chromatus is too strong. But I'm on my first playthrough so I'm pretty much forced to play as him (which is just one of the many things I hate about this game).
>>121787805
I thought the bad ending was pretty unrealistic. I mean, chromatus is OP and all, but could Ludger really solo the Lord of Spirits and Muzet? Or Gaius?
>>121788354
Origin and Chronos are both more powerful than OG Maxwell and Ludger derives his power from Chronos so it's not completely out of the question.
When's ToD English patch
>>121788354
Well, I don't think it was really meant to be "realistic" in the sense that it's not a canon ending. I thought it was still pretty sad to see him finally break under all the crap and say no more no matter how little sense it made.
I really fucking hate this fusion system
Is there anything better than a game ending with the MC and Villain having a 1v1 to settle it all?
>>121787078
>>121787443
>>121787805
>>121787813
>>121788354
>people don't like Xillia 2
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>121789227
Back in my days we didn't have any fusion/linking gimmick
>>121789312
It's a shit game
>>121789356
Back in your day people ate gels/gummies they found in the toilet.
>>121789312
Stupid sexy Zaveid. His pants... concern me.
>>121790137
Back in my day we had to eat Lemon Gels.
I wish these two fags were in a better-received game.
>>121791089
All they had to do was not rush it.
I used cheat engine to max the LotL. I'm sorry guys. I'm weak. Just couldn't stomach needing to buy literally 50k apple gels.
>>121789312
what's up with the jojo meme poses this guy always does
When does Zaveid show up again? I just hit Lastonbell.
Lailah Time
>>121793846
Don't forget persona.Zaveid confirmed to have a fetish for roleplay
Just fuck me up
>>121795693
the followup
>>121795847
Is that a Dragon Mikleo holding a dead Sorey?
Holy fuck, Mikleo so far gone.
>>121795976
Yeah, I think he died and then I guess got reborn as a seraph? The artist said that he died, so I dont know how else he would be reborn.
Elize is best girl.
Fight me if you think otherwise.
>>121798376
>Fight me if you think otherwise.
Sure what fighting game?
You know what really bothered me? Town design.
The other games had such nice towns and cities that were laid out with care and made to look at least somewhat functional. What do we get in Zestiria? Just a few copy pasted square house models plopped onto generic terrain. The cities as a whole weren't too bad but could have used a lot more detail or really just content taking place within them.
>>121800023
Yeah, towns looked very good in previous titles.
I don't think there's a single town in Zestiria that looks as good as what we had in Abyss, Graces or Vesperia.
>>121800023
Too much empty space in this game. NPCs in Abyss usually had quests attached to them and there was a shop every few steps or an important story area or it was an area to give you an idea of just how large scale something is (that bridge in Luke's home city and Grand Chokmah). Ladylake is pretty and all, but there's no point in making the city so huge if 30% of it is dead ends with no chest or anything of importance. Fenmont in Xillia is also pretty big but you can find feathers and items everywhere. Maybe they'll become important later on, but that's my judgement thus far.
Also is it me or do enemies on field maps run faster than you and in dungeons they're much slower?
>>121802668
>Also is it me or do enemies on field maps run faster than you and in dungeons they're much slower?
Probably is a excuse for you to use speed up Boon and Windstep at the same time
>>121802932
What a terrible decision. Especially since enemies do not give up at all. I've had entire mobs chasing me like an mmo across the map when all I want is to open a chest and run to the next objective. And encounters don't stack so if I'm caught by one, there's another just waiting its turn.
Hell or hell?
So I'm continuing playing Xillia and the only thing bothering me so far is that I can't do almost any arte chain links.
Is there any kind of info inside the game about what shit comboes into what? Maybe some basic rules that apply? Like, combining elements.
Or am I supposed to just figure it out/read somewhere else?
The only character combo that I can get over 2-3 arts with is Milla/Jude. Jude and Leia have some, but still less.
>>121783043
>>121804234
This thing?
You can't use the arte same twice in the string
and the arte chain link can't be used twice in a row
I forgot the rules about that shit
>>121795358
Pendrago
>>121804729
Yeah, that one. Half the shit just doesn't connect it seems.
2-3 arts at most that can start a chain. Except Jude/Milla. Almost every arte works in the chain.
>>121804871
I'm guessing its that dashing link arte thing you probably need more artes to starting link more and to keep that gauge filled
I think there's a challenge grade for that
>>121805316
Never mind. Found what I was looking for.
Pressing R2 in artes menu brings out every combination that is possible.
>>121805653
>all that wired chaos
>>121806242
Not much I can do.
Several hdmi cables, 3 micro usb ones, speakers, mouse, keyboard, printer.
Nowhere to hide it and grouping them up would be a grave mistake.
ICE REAVER
>>121807638
>2681
H E L P
>>121807638
>>121807737
Does anything change if you get 5 stars?
>>121807916
Reduces fusion cost per star.
>>121808227
I will tell you in about 10 minutes
>>121795394
What hair you use on the third Lailah on the back? :S
>>121809148
That looks like the front side bangs/burns.
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>>121810646
I want to make Symonne love herself
>>121810646
>tfw didn't get a full on hug with Edna after the Eizen conclusion
>tfw we will never see the rest of Symonne's story thanks to DLC cancellage
Quick question: I started playing Zestiria as my first Tales game. I think the combat looks fun and somewhat deep, as does the character/squad/item/ability management. The writing makes me want to punch myself in the face until my hand breaks.
Is there a Tales game that has at least decent writing? I mean, I don't mind cliches, I don't mind stereotypes, I don't expect literary masterpieces, but holy flying fuck this is written for idiots.
>>121810646
>>121789297
Thank you based Sergei
If only he knew his arte saved the world
>>121811874
Tales of Vesperia, Abyss, and the Xillias are really good
>>121811874
I really can't say I come to tales for good writing. It's pretty mediocre on that front. Try watching intro videos to other games and see how you like them, I guess?
>>121811874
Tales really never had a good plot, it's there for the sake of having a plot. It's all about character development. Although Xillia 2's plot was really good imo.
How am I meant to equip gear?
Should I do as the hint suggested and sort everything into it's type.
Weapon: Attack
Accessory: A.Attack
Body: Defense
Ring: A.Defense
Feet: Focus
So I get well rounded stats? If I try to go for 3 or 4 stacks on a skill some of my stats are so low. I also heard your stats increase more as you level based on your current stats.
>>121812395
The plot and lore seem decent from what I've seen and read so far, but Sorey is really a special kind of retarded. The 'he's used his own umbilical cord as a scarf for a few minutes' kind of stupid.
>>121813760
Well we was basically living away from society for his whole life with hippie spirits. He's more attuned to historical stuff than anything
>>121813679
Just get everything that significantly increases a stat more than it decreases another stat.
>>121813760
Shing must have set a new standard for stupid on me, cause I don't see it.
Why is Zaveid an exile? Is there a sidequest for this?
>>121818989
Why does he have the single most important item in the game world and the only thing that allows them to complete their journey?
We will never know.
About to start Xillia. Jude or Milla route?
>>121819626
Jude.
>>121781550
Wrong. They USUALLY are upgrades. Newer armor has better defense. Newer weapons have more attack and/or arte attack.
The only outlier is the gear with nonstandard stats, like armor that gives no defense but tons of offense, or weapons that give massive defense but no offense.
>>121784128
I put Rose in that outfit from minute one and left it on her. Her default costume sucks. For Alisha it was actually a hard choice because her default outfit looks nice.
>>121818989
Weird that you mention it...
>>121785561
Its obvious the story would have been more fleshed out if they didn't decide to rework it at the last minute. Maltran shouldn't have even made it into the final game, for example. She should have been scrapped when they booted Alisha.
>>121820273
Alisha was supposed to be a permanent character?
>>121820349
You see her in fights she was kicked out of the party for in the earlier gameplay trailers, like the Tiamat fight.
And the story makes way more sense with her being permanent. She doesn't even have much point being in the story as is.
I literally can't understand how the story was even designed if it didn't involve her being a main character the entire way through. Things are too much of a disjointed mess after she leaves and everything with Rose feels tacked on.
>>121820547
Then that makes Dezel a pointless character as well, which makes so much sense.
Zavied should just join the party when you first meet him.
>>121820939
Pretty much. Dezel didn't feel very important and hisdeath scenefelt really unimpactful. Like it just happened, then it was over. Which isn't hard to believe since Zaveid just happens to show up right then and join.
Not to mention Zaveid feels more like an actual character than Dezel.
>>121820939
The way Rose joined was as rushed as Alisha leaving, I don't have an issue with either character but the way they handled it all was so messy. They had so much potential and threw it all away.
Might also explain why some shops sell Alisha gear despite her only being in that one stretch late in the game.
>>121821327
Its obvious they HAD to put Rose in before things really took off and so they found a spot where they could add her and did so. And then just "made it werk". All the stuff involving Alisha, which seemed like it was actually interesting and fleshed out, were cut, almost completely, and the stuff involving Rose didn't even really matter.
I mean really, what did Rose even do? Even the Sparrowfeathers stuff fell off the fucking map not long after she joins.
There is a very clear nosedive in story quality and consistency once Alisha leaves. If they were going to jam Rose in, they should have spent another 6-12 months actually rewriting the game to make it work with her. But obviously they had half or more of the game done already with Alisha, and it was too late.
Looks like the mad alishafaggots are on full force today.
>>121821594
To be fair about that, they only sell certain sets. The stuff you can get before she leaves the party, and one more set of gear for when she temporarily rejoins near the end of the game for Maltran.
Not like she has 20 weapons that pop up during the time shes not in the group.
I'm really liking the Xillia combat system.
This just further proves TP is better the CC system is trash.
>>121821791
I liked Xilia, except for Iron stancing. The Iron Stancing was fucking miserable, especially in the second half of the game.
Xilia 2 is much better about that. As long as you are hitting weaknesses, nothing iron stances. Much more enjoyable.
>>121821906
I'll get there eventually. I'll do everything in Xillia like I did for Symphonia, Abyss, Legendia, and Vesperia.
Graces and Zestiria were so bad though all I could do was finish them.
>>121819583
He found it
>>121822150
Same. I dont play everything in the game, but i usually play most of it. But I hated Graces, so no.
Zestiria I may play more to get more of the characters because I love them, but idk. The combat is so boring.
>>121821753
>(You)
only one you should be getting desu.
I plan on getting all of the delicious achievements.
It's funny how these "Alishafaggots" are capable of intelligently discussing the game and the what could have beens because of literally 80% cut content.
And then there's this guy >>121821753
Hey now just cause Rose was forced doesnt make the Dezel parts any worse.
Dezel was a fine addition to this game. His story was very well thought out and is one of the few instances in this game where an arc actually pans out.
Dezel was far too good for this game. The issue is actually with how they transfer to Zaveid. It just happens. The biggest problem, it should have happened before thw wind trial, Zaveid never went through it.
>>121821624
It's painful to think about all the neat things we could have been getting into had they not trashed it like this. With Rose I really wanted to spend more time with the sparrowfeathers, as the game goes on they sorta drift off outside of that one bit with Lunarre, who himself is suffering from not enough screentimenot counting the DLC that brings everything into question.You've got all the obvious stuff with Alisha of course, I would have enjoyed dealing with the struggle between Shepherd duties and constant political meddling.
In the end it's just a lot of what ifs, they started down some great paths and then skipped right on to the next one.
>>121822978
Except your ramblings and conspiracy theories have been refuted so many times it's not even funny.
>intelligent
There is nothing intelligent about being buttmad over a girl and start writing ridiculous theories to support your delusion. Feel free to do it anyway, at least it can ease your pain.
>>121823226
If the two route system was true how do you think it would have worked out? Would Zaveid have joined much earlier and been your wind seraph through the whole game?
Maybe he wouldn't have wasted all those fucking bullets.
Kinda funny on how much hate Rose gets when she's pretty much a female Yuri Lowell.
>>121823296
It might have been fine if they had actually finished all the DLC chapters and made them into a single cohesive story, but no, fuck that, they dropped that.
I'm mostly just upset the last three major titles have all had development problems.
They can make a good, complete, game, but they keep fucking it up.
I'm sure they will find some way to fuck up Berseria too.
>>121823657
Its a zestiria sequel. Its doomed.
>>121823657
Why make your game right when you're going to end up milking the fan favorites like with Destiny / Destiny 2 / Destiny Remake?
>>121823712
I thought it was a Xillia sequel with Jude and Milla's rape child from when Milla just decided she wanted the J and wouldn't take no for an answer.
>>121823413
There's also nothing intelligent about screaming 'lol, butthurt Alishafags XD' over and over when someone brings her up. Just saiyan senpai.
>>121823821
Considering the disaster than Zestiria was for them as a company, you would think they would try their best to win over fans with Berseria. Can only shit on fans so many times before they give up on you.
>>121823712
I get the idea that it's heavily related to Zestiria but at this point I don't know what they are going to do.
If the DLC was supposed to help bridge the gap between games that isn't going to happen. Zestiria has a lot of unanswered questions that totally could have been a lead into a sequel of some sorts but with how poorly received it was they might drop all of that. That in itself scares me because we just got some first hand experience on what happens when they drop something important in a game.
>>121823712
Is this just blind speculation or have they said its a Zestiria sequel?
>>121824178
Speculation mostly based on the new character in the anime.
Remember Zestiria only takes place on a single continent.
Are there decent Zestiria guides about builds, fusing stuff and story advancing/grinding balance?
>>121821327
I didn't find so at all personally. I genuinely don't see why anyone gives a shit about the political aspect of this. Alisha is just a guest character with her own agenda. Sorey helps her man up enough to face the world. The story can barely handle the relevant bits, why force all the irrelevant political stuff by keeping Alisha around? Sorey is a kid who grew away from all of that, it's no concern of his nor his journey.
>>121823864
Because you guys are really fucking annoying. It's been like what? 8 generals later and you are still going in circle about this crap. Just move the fuck on already.
>>121824421
What new character?
>>121824558
Nah, we'll keep talking about it since I love to hear you whine and moan like a little bitch about it and there's nothing you can do desu senpai.
>>121824523
There are a couple steam workshop guides. You can also just check gamefaqs, like with literally every other game ever made.
>>121824552
>character that is a huge deal to everyone everywhere
>literally needs the various countries making friendly to do his job
>shouldn't concerned with anything politics related
you are pretty dumb you know?
Why is Rolo always so based?
>>121824671
You know the only one whining and bitching is you. Alisha isn't gonna become relevant and your terrible ideas will never happen no matter how much you cry about the Evil Rose.
>>121824552
It's more about the idea they push at you early on about how the rest of the human race views the Shepherd and how this gets dropped as soon as Alisha leaves. In Hyland you have Bartlow and the gang who want to buy off the Shepherd and fail then they want to blackmail him into doing their bidding, there is a lot that could be going politically throughout the game and they forget about it after going through two interesting scenarios.
Hell Rolance doesn't even give a single fuck that you slapped their entire armies shit.
>>121824872
>no matter how much you cry about the Evil Rose.
When'd I do that, dumbass?
>>121824651
This fellow, wearing a crest on his cape from a Berseria city.
>>121824671
>whine and moan
You are the one who can't let go and bitch in every thread though. I'm just a bored bystander at this point.
>>121825138
I thought it was Michael.
>>121825174
>pointing out something strange is bitching
Sure thing. That's totally right.
>>121824784
It's not "shouldn't", it's "isn't". Remember when Alisha asked him to follow her to Pendrago and he rejected it? Yeah. That is not his job. The game states this over and over that the human's affairs should not be his concern unless there's absolutely no other way, like in the basin events. All he cares about is whether or not people are suffering, not the schemes and politics. That's all the sort of stuff Alisha involves herself in.
Calling it now. The reason for Velvet bandaging her left arm is because she's partially Hellionized.
>>121825040
Every thread.
>>121825441
Can't be me, this is my first time talking about it.
Dezel is better than Zaveid, why he is underrated?
>>121825329
It isn't his job but he does get sucked into it, that's the whole idea of the political side of things right?
You deal with it early on and then it gets completely dropped, even Sergei handles it all off screen and you never have to deal with anything in Rolance considering the huge things you do there.Bartlow pulls a Maltran and disappears until the end of the game when he invades Elysia thus creating another forced moment where a character drops in out of nowhere, Muse.
>>121825372
I am really hoping she is just really chuuni.
>>121825372
>That giant claw mark on the wall of her cell
Yep
>>121825534
Is he really?
>Actually thinking ToB will have anything to do with ToZ
We need more news.
>>121825329
And then he gets embroiled in trying to stop a war, twice. Both entirely political things.
So I guess he shouldn't have done that? Even though he did?
>>121825695
>It isn't his job but he does get sucked into it
Not really? Aside from the one time he got blackmailed into war he firmly rejected any attempts of the creepy old guys to get him to become a political figure. I don't think the writers could handle both of those sides adequately and it's best dealt with offscreen. The real plot is about dealing with the ancient evil, after all.
>>121825929
The first time was to help the princess and none of the wanted to get involved in it. The reason they couldn't ignore it was because Sorey could become corrupted if he just left the princess to die when he had an option. It was unavoidable. The second was to deal with a fucking dragon that was killing EVERYONE. That's actually his job.
>>121826398
He was getting involved in stopping the war before the dragon even popped up.
He was going to the battlefield to stop the war, not a Dragon.
Did you even play the game?
>>121825929
Except Lailah explicitly states Sorey could get muh levolenced if he didn't do anything about the first one and the second time was a seraphim turned dragon by Heldalf?
>>121826120
That's what annoys a lot of people about the game, they set up a lot of these side stories and elements yet never go through with them so the entire game ends up feeling line one straight line.
Political stuff is dropped, shepherd/civilian relations dropped, villain doesn't really bug you throughout the game, villain's lackeys leave you alone till the end, and even the helpful NPCs are just kinda there without much going on. Personally I thought Mayvin was going to be a character that you bumped into around every turn, oh well.
>>121826580
Is this thread full of retards or something?
>Zestiria sequel
>No Lailah
Why even bother?
>>121825915
It's not very fun waiting for
>random Famitsu mag
>E3/TGS (most likely TGS of those two)
>next TalesFes
Hurry the fuck up, Baba! At least say what type of battle system it's using or one new character, goddamn.
>>121827045
The next character they show is going to be Rose, the game will detail how she ended up trying to purify the MC and became best friends.
You think someone could use Teepo as an onahole?
>>121827045
even star ocean is giving us some teaser characters. Step up Baba!
>>121825372
She looks like a human Millia
> chest is locked
>>121826509
>He was going to the battlefield to stop the war, not a Dragon.
What the fuck are you even saying? Did you read the post or even play the game? The dragon was literally stomping the shit out of every single solider no matter the side. Sorey had to deal with it, there was no other choice. He didn't go out there thinking this will stop the war, he had no way of knowing what it would result in.
>>121827840
And he was pleasantly surprised when both sides actually joined forces to repel the dragon
>>121827840
The only reason he was on the battlefield to START WITH, and the quests he had been doing LEADING UP TO GOING THERE was to stop the war.
He WOULDNT HAVE BEEN THERE TO SEE THE DRAGON AT ALL if he hadn't gone there to stop the dragon. Its not like he was Elysia and saw the dragon from the mountaintops and ran to get involved. He was ALREADY THERE when the dragon popped.
You are a special kind of stupid.
How the fuck are you meant to do edna's crucible on hard? The first 3 enemy crab things are a fucking pain with their slow and defense lowering moves and you're smacking shit for nothing with your umbrella and all your artes need you to combo to get use out of them.
>>121831548
quickstep x3 to set up the combo
>>121831548
>How the fuck are you meant to do edna's crucible on hard?
XP x2, 3, or 6.
I started playing Radiant Mythology 3 for the psp, I heard soul edge is in the game. How do I get it?
>>121832502
>>121831735
finally beat it but now I can't remember which ones I have and which I haven't done. anyway to know which crucibles you forgot to do?
>>121834696
Easiest way is probably go to to Katz and see which skits you're missing. They're all titled Character's Victory.
>>121828537
This Anon is upset but I think he's right. I can't remember why Sorey came to the battlefield, but he didn't know there'd be a dragon there until it appeared and started its rampage.
Just before he met Alisha and she decided to disobey her orders. I don't remember everything but I think he went to the battlefield to assist her or something.
How hard is it to plat Vesperia PS3? I've put around 250 hours into it without a guide and only have 82%. The big ones I'm still missing are the collector's and monster books.
>>121804769
I thought he was around the Wind Trial first.
I'm fighting the Pill Bug in the Trisoizol cave in Zestiria and I don't think I've ever had the camera be so fucking bad in this game. Holy shit please tell me it's not just me. This dumb camera is making this fight 10x harder than it should be.
>>121839462
As if the constant and incessant bitching after the Japanese release and then a year later the Western release didn't give it away?
>>121839462
1. Pick Mikleo
2. Use Ice Reaver
3. Repeat until thing is dead
4. ????
5. Profit!
>>121820547
>You see her in fights she was kicked out of the party for in the earlier gameplay trailers, like the Tiamat fight.
They also put her in certain fights for demos and promo material, that doesn't mean a lot.
>>121823226
>The biggest problem, it should have happened before thw wind trial, Zaveid never went through it.
They explain that the power from the trial goes through Sorey, so Zaveid doesn't need to go through it himself.
>>121823226
>people actually liked Dezel's parts
his story made no fucking sense
Not that Zaveid's magic gun made any more sense, both were shitty characters
>game makes it a point to mention there are hellions in the Rolance imperial family, or at least in the castle
>never gets mentioned again after Dezel's thing
I almost wish they'd made a DLC episode where Rose goes around cleaning Rolance's house. Hyland gets pretty thoroughly purged of all its' major malevolent players, but Rolance doesn't. And whatever happened to that fake shepherd, anyway?
Can anyone remind me what the last Siegfried bullet was used on? I can't remember and I'm nowhere close to that point in my replay.
>>121841146
This is stuff that should have been in the main game, not DLC.
Playing Xillia.
Is there any reason to save the materials to upgrade the vendors or is it ok just to dump it all in?
Like, I'm only at the first port and I can take weapons to level 13 already.
>>121842560
Yeah, I guess. I'd rather have actual story DLC than a ton of costumes and easy mode cheats, but of course it'd be ideal if they just put it all in the base game in the first place.
I only said DLC anyway because what I described would make more sense witha Shepherd Rose,which we only get to see in the Alisha DLC.
>>121842781
dump it all in
>>121842781
you can save it for a sale where certain materials have a multiplier, but yes in general just dump it.
>>121842882
I wonder if Alisha ever got over her hate boner for Rose enough to make her a cloak like she did for Sorey. I think she'd look cute in a little Shepherd pancho or something.
Tear and Judith are still best girls
>>121842781
Sometimes certain materials are worth more, but you can always get more materials.
Im interested in playing the PS1 Tales however im a fan of voice acting so would like some answers:
Are the games voiced?
Also seems you can change the character names but does the game voice the default names? I dont like when characters cuts in voice acting, thanks.
Same question for the DS games, thanks.
>>121844851
Eternia is.
Play Tales of Destiny Director's Cut and one of the other versions of Phantasia.
>>121844950
Isnt PS1 phantasia best version?
Dont know moon so isnt ToD DC japanese only?
>>121845030
>Dont know moon so isnt ToD DC japanese only?
Yes
I don't know the best version of Phantasia. I'm assuming it's Narikiri Dungeon X.
>>121845108
>Narikiri Dungeon X
Isnt that a sequel of the game? Also japanese only?
>>121845217
Once again, yes.
NDX also contains a version of ToP which iirc is the best one. I've only played the GBA and PSX versions of ToP however.
>>121845439
Gonna stick to ToP, a shame it isnt voiced.
Why do all tales feel so bland after Vesperia?
>>121845217
It's Japanese only but includes a remake of the original. The PS1 version if better though, IMO. Director's Cut is the best version too, and they're working steadily on a translation patch. Just wait for that and play Phantasia and Eternia in the meantime.
>>121845617
Because it's the gold standard.
I personally think Berseria has a chance, since most Tales games that take a different approach to the MC are at least memorable, but the more it's speculated to be related to Zestiria the more worried I get. BN just needs to admit it's a sunk cost and move on from Zestiria.
Lot of people in here bitching about how Zestiria isn't a good game.
I'm assuming they haven't played Rebirth. Zestiria is much better than Rebirth IMO.
And I love Tytree.
>>121845969
Except they can't, they're too invested in it as the 20th anniversary title.
They've even completely shifted the advertising strategy the dual homo/yuri pairings in an attempt to salvage the cast.
>>121845642
How close its the translation to be finished?
>>121846376
That's a fallacy though.
Zestiria isn't going to be saved by an anime adaptation or by expanding its lore. Maybe a complete remake, but at some point you have to know when to cut your losses, because continuing to try keeping it alive or improving just will lead to continued losses.
Millas voice is very strange. I dont know if I will get used to it.
>>121846685
All skits and battle book are done, and definitely more than just that. They had a twitter bot publishing their Github pull request descriptions, but it's been broken for several months, so who knows what they've completed in that time. I'd guess from the last pulls posted that they probably have item descriptions done by now though, but that's just my speculation. Not sure what else there is, but that's still a shit ton of text. They also seem to have done partial work on everything else anyways.
Am I going to be able to learn everything on the Lilium Orb or will I eventually run out of points?
>>121825372
dark flame master here is sealing her power!
>>121847335
Orbs get finished at max level, you can't run out of points
>>121846723
Tell that to Bamco then. This is the same company that has rushed out title after title for the past half decade, and tried to sell release day dlc featuring a bait and switch character. What makes you think Tales management has any idea of what they are doing?
I want eguile to abuse me.
>>121847463
I'd like to believe the little guys at Namco Tales Studio have some pride as game developers. Dropping the ball on what is supposed to be your 20th anniversary game is a big fuck up, one that may lead to people giving up on the series altogether if Berseria doesn't show signs of at least learning their lesson. Of course the corporate higher ups don't give a fuck, but the little guys, maybe.
Post Elles.
>>121846723
>complete remake
I fucking wish. Zestys cast deserves a better game. Maybe they'll get it in a crossover title.
>>121848973
Wont happen unless they rewrite the story from zero and include Alisha as an heroine, otherwise the fans would fucking bury Baba.
>>121848168
Low level devs have literally no input on a macro scale in terms of the final product. If management gives you an impossible timetable and understaffs your team, you have no recourse. You just get as much done as possible and then ship it out at the deadline set by management. If "integrity as a game developer" is a high priority, somehow higher than paying the bills, your only other option is to quit instead of taking part in creating a game you know will be mediocre. Then someone else takes your place and the game is still mediocre, because you never had enough time or staff to make a good game in the first place.
The fact of the matter is Tales does not sell enough to justify a larger budget, and without a larger budget in terms of staff and time we'll keep getting these rushed and unfinished games. Ironically, they will never increase their sales numbers with such a mediocre product, so if they keep doing what they're doing there's no upside.
>>121848973
What I'd like in the anime is making it the intended full story and have Alisha as main girl. Symphonia outright changed moments and order of events, I heard Destiny was unrelated to the game, and Vesperia's OVA was pre-game. The only accurate anime adaption was Abyss for it's straight forward story.
Anyone who watched that anime special was expecting Alisha to be big. I like her so much because she isn't a romantic interest for once. I love her chemistry with Sorey. Rose feels like looking at a typed essay and it switches to actual handwriting.
>>121848973
I would buy a remade Zestiria in a heartbeat. I really love the cast.
>>121849893
I'm gonna go dangerously homo and say, if they do change the story to fit more Alisha in, I hope they don't do it at the expense of Mikleo. That seems like the absolute dumbest thing they could do, which is why I'm afraid that's what will happen.
>>121847463
>tried to sell release day dlc featuring a bait and switch character
They're gonna have to be very careful with this for the next titles.
Having dlc for characters who are barely in your party really shouldn't be a thing, and being able to use the costumes with other characters makes it only slightly more acceptable.
As much as I'd like them to stop selling costumes as DLC, they'll probably keep doing it, so they should at least do it correctly.
I'm very glad I got Alisha's Soulstoke Celebration Bamco, but since I only learned how to use MAs after she left, I can't say it was put to good use. It was free, sure, but still.
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>>121850161
I doubt they would cut out the fan favorite Mikleo. I am curios what kind of changes will be made and hope they expand on some of the minor characters and villains.
>>121850185
I wish they'd at least put SOME costumes, preferably world friendly, into the base game. Alternate colors are nice and all, but seriously.
Why is a game that was deemed a complete flop getting an animated adaptation?
>>121850376
Free costumes are a thing of the past. People don't seem to realize that art assets increase in complexity as technology improves. The amount of time it took to make all of the costumes in something like Abyss is significantly less than what it would take to make make even a fraction of that number in Zestiria.
Not that it justifies the practice, but from a financial point of view there's no point for them to give out free costumes anymore. Lack of traditional costumes isn't hurting sales at all, and if people are willing to pay for them then Bamco is happy to take your money. I'm of the opinion that only cross licensed costumes should be paid dlc, but clearly enough people are buying formerly free outifts like swimsuit/maid/cameo costumes that Bamco will keep doing what they're doing.
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>>121850993
They made the plans for the adaption before the release.
>>121850993
The anime was already in production before the game came out.
>>121850993
It sold 400,000 in japan and it will only increase with the PC version.
I dont consider it a flop. Just like FFXIII were its hated but was a success regardless.
>>121851351
And? Pretty sure the DLC was too, where is that at?
See what I'm saying?
>>121851351
Maybe pre-pre-preproduction.
They were still working on UBW and God Eater when the game released, the only thing that was done by that time was the OVA and game cutscenes. It's not like they have thousands of cels for the first few episodes that they'd have to scrap if they decided to cancel it.
Not that they ever would, that option was never on the table no matter how bad the backlash got.
>>121851679
80,000+ steam sales according to steamspy. Wonder how it did on consoles in the west.
>>121851839
Maybe around the same, if the game ends selling like 800,000 it wil be a success. The only bad thing is probably it wont sell well the merchandise.
>>121851679
Yeah, I agree with this. And maybe it will age better? I went for years hearing people shit all over FF13, but once I played it (knowing that it was linear, but had a good story) I actually really enjoyed it. So maybe if you go into Zestiria knowing that the characters are great, but the combat and story progression suck, you will have a better experience?
>>121849489
I hate that you're pretty much right. Though the low level guys could have at least done something about the camera. Honestly, the entire series would benefit from stopping the near yearly release. Honestly, I'd say make Berseria and wait until the 25th anniversary, but that's a bit of a precarious situation possibly, since that may fall around a year into the 9th generation.
Or they could just take an extra year with Berseria. Vesperia showed they know how to bounce back from a bad entry, at least.
I just don't get why game companies practice quantity over quality. Especially when quality would take care of pretty much every reason you would go for quantity as a result of just being better.
>>121852103
FFXIII is an absolute shit game that was overhyped garbage.
FFXIII-2 is a pretty good / underrated game.
>>121851991
>probably it wont sell well the merchandise.
I'd be really surprised if fujos don't buy the shit out of Sorey and Mikleo merch. As for the girls... yeah, they probably aren't going to sell.
>>121852162
Quantity over quality is ruining the good name of established franchises and developers. But on the opposite end of the spectrum, taking a fucking decade to release a game is no good eitherlooking at you FF15.
>>121851770
No, because that's not how anime works.
>>121851802
God Eater was a fucking mess and UBW was almost done. I highly doubt the same teams were working on all three anime.
>>121851991
I disagree, it's mainly the characters on the merch, and the cast is great and likable.
I mean how can you not want a cute Sorey + Mikleo rubber strap?
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>>121852313
As a FF and KH fan, I couldn't agree more. There's a fine balance, 3~5 years is probably ideal
Alright this time I can afford 6x EXP.
>>121851042
You're not wrong but I don't feel like the costumes are good enough to justify the price (that and I don't like cross licensed stuff).
They're just "reskins", no new fancy animations. Some come with skits if i'm not mistaken, but that's it. I'm pulling stuff out of my ass but something like a costume for Sorey with an entirely different cloak could have been nice and justify somewhat the price tag. I feel like they actually spent some time on the cloak's animations.
And with how bad Zestiria looks, those costumes shouldn't be that expensive to make.
As you said though it makes sense from a financial point of view anyway so my complaints are probably useless.
