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How do you deal with someone who just runs around stalling until they can summon help?
This has happened to me multiple times today. I'll kill the phantom only for the host to roll through all attacks/just run around aimlessly until they summon another.
I throw shit at em.
>>337971690
Long range magic with some degree of homing works. Great soul dreg works wonders for this.
Usually though, I just black crystal out. Can't be doing with little shits who would rather be cheap cowardly bastards than play the fucking game they paid money for. Same reason I used to crystal out when summoned and the host just sat back and watched me fight.I say used to because now we have the mound maker covenant, and if I get a host that pulls that sort of shit during the level I can turn around and slice his nips off.
>>337971690
Lloyds, carthus rouge or switch weapons constantly to throw him off track
Knight Slayer helps too if he blocks after rolling
The things I enjoy the most about the Souls games are the single-player campaign and the co-op. Any time one of you invade me I'll do everything to stay alive.
If you want serious, balanced PvP either use the red soapstone or play any other game.
>>337971690
Time your hits to punish rolls axes and straight swords are great for this
>>337973168
>single-player
Play offline
>co-op
Tough shit faggot
>>337973365
>Play offline
Make me.
You have the right to invade my world, I have the right to run to the fog gate, summon a bazillion phantoms or just suicide jump to deny you the fight.
I miss the seed of giants.
>>337973350
>>337972440
Those who haven't found themselves in this situation more often than once shouldn't give advice on how to counter it.
These "solutions" are easily countered by mixing up your rolls.
>>337971690
They should have added an animation for summon signs. Sucks to kill five phantoms before slaying the host.
>>337973696
>I miss the seed of giants
Just farm them with dried fingers?
I usually use running attacks to whittle them down, if they stop to chug and you are quick you can get the back stab but it takes a while
Why don't people just sack up and fight back instead of all this running away
>>337973993Uh, don't tell me they're available on DaS3
Is there walk of peace or what that slowing miracle was called?
>>337974370
Next to firelink shrine is a giant shaped tree. "examine" it periodically and it will give you a seed of giants.
>>337974370
not this guy, but iirc every time you kill an invader, one spawns under the tree in upper part of firelink, right before tower which closed with 20k vendor key
>>337974336
For the same reason everyone chugs in game. They don't want to die.
>>337971690
All invaders are scum. You bet your ass I'm going to do everything I can to survive and make your experience as miserable as possible. You're trying to ruin my game don't get pissed when I do the same scumbag. You want a duel put a sign down
>>337974592
>>337974569
I see. Thanks. I went completely blind through DaS3 so I didn't know about it.
>>337973882
Fuck off cunt, just because you fucking suck doesn't mean we do
>>337973168
>>337973696
>>337974754
This is why I invade in the catacombs
>>337975043
So you willingly ruin other people's game? Kill yourself
>>337975850
Stay mad horsefucker
>>337975850
Are you the faggot I invaded in the Catacombs and you added me and bitched at me for ruining peoples' games? Cause that's fucking hilarious.
>>337976107
Oh I am mad you people are the cancer of dark souls
>>337976192
Wasn't me I have never died to an invader I just waste their time until they leave
>>337975043
But the catacombs are one of the places where is easier to just do a mad rush to the boss' fog gate. The thing is basically a straight line.
>summon red phantom
>hes using a spear and a avalyen
>try to aproach, he just runs away and shoots
>end up hitting him a few times but he's hit me more
>i stop approaching
>he refuses to approach
>he heals
>okay.exe
>unsheith BKGA+hornet
>he rushes in with a WA spear charge
>parry it
>mid parry he ALT+F4's
WEW
any time i run into an obvious gank squad i toggle them cheat engines and fuck their saves
>invade
>kill the host in 1 combo
broblem solved.
>>337971690
Doesn't killing phantoms still reward you if you're a grape?
Just go serial grapist, dude. It's the best covenant anyway.
>>337976553
Most hosts and even phantoms don't know that
>>337978049
>kill a phantom
>get sent home
>host goes and summons another one
you sure showed him
watchdogs and aldrich faithful are best covenants
>>337974603
Then fucking fight for survival, it's what I do on the rare occasion I actually get invaded, I don't really summon so I'm low priority on the list
>>337973365
You can't play both the "deal with it" invading dick card and the "invasions are so unfair and weighted against the invader" crybaby card.
the only thing im mad about in pvp at the moment is half the covenants not working
>>337978413
Why, in a fight for survival, would you not drink magical fire that cures your wounds when an evil bloodghost comes to kill you? Because it makes the bloodghost upset?
>>337978802
Pretty much. "Muh honor" something something.
>>337971690
>Co op threw central illthryal on ng++
>Have two summons cause fuck it why not
>get invaded he spawns right in front of us
>All I do is wave and keep moving on like nothings wrong not worried at all
>Get all the way up to church of yorshka bonfire just fine
>get killed both of my phantoms in the mean time
>He walk ups and welcomes me
>one shot him with one charged r2 with my asotra great sword
>clap and throw down very good at him
>get a friend request
Anyone else have moments like these?
>>337978913
Only even an argument if you summoned them there by the red sign.
>>337979097
>illthryal
>>337978802
Yeah because that will make him go away, I've chased around hosts that would rather drink all their estus and then disconnect instead of attacking back a single time and I'm just a guy with a bland quality build not some pvp twink
>>337979354
no
>>337975850
Getting killed once is ruining your game? Why are PvE babbies so sensitive
>>337979625
They could lose a lot of souls?
>>337979690
So they run back and pick them up. Or are they too shit to do that?
>>337979097
the other day a purple invaded me in the dungons, he was wearing all the workers gear and wielding a pickaxe. when i first saw him he was just attacking a wall, like a miner or something. after watching him for a while he began to follow me.
he never went hostile towards me and killed every single blue phantom that tried to aid me except for one that was AFK from another fight.
i of course liked my new miner friend and didn't interfere.
we made it to the giant and then were forced to separate ways when the giant stomped me to death.
he was a cool guy.
>>337974603
Carry undead hunter charms nigger they only cost 500
>>337979758
most likely the latter
>>337979782
>still have yet to meet one friendly mound maker
I always kill them on sight now
>>337979997
There's no point to the MM covenant other than to kill the host as you can't assist them with the boss and you don't get anything except the souls from killed monsters for getting them to the boss door.
>>337976837
BKGA can't even combo properly. You're just fighting idiots who can't roll after getting hit or that didn't invest in vigor.
Now Black Knight Glaive, that can actually kill somebody from full health easily even at 27+ vig thanks to the combos
>>337980114
There's alwaysfun.
>>337979997
I like helping from time to time. Specially if I invade a giant seeded way of blue guy and help him through, only killing blueberries
>>337980261
Okay cool useless post. If you're looking for fun coop or whatever just be a normal phantom. Then you can at least help kill a boss. Only unique enjoyment that MM can provide is maybe you can lull a guy into a false sense of security before murdering him.
>>337980216
>cant even combo
bruh...it has a 3hit combo
firebombs work well
>>337980505
That's some pretty shitty damage mate the lucern combo can just as much
>>337973930
worst is there should be a limit for the time you're alive. say you kill two of his phantoms, he cant summon anymore until hes dead or bonfires
its annoying that they can just keep resummoning over n over
>>337980858
prove it.
>>337980964
Refined and buffed, a lucerne can hit for 1400+ if you start with a counter hit, and then get off the full weapon art.
>Invade in Irythyll dungeon
>Using dragon form with untrue dark ring
>Use the "Curl up" gesture in a corner or next to a dead enemy
>You are the perfect shade of grey to blend into the environment or with a group of those grey hollows
>9 times out of 10 the host (and his phantoms) will just walk right past you, allowing for a sneak attack
Invasions are only fun if you make them fun.
i actually love this .. i let the faggot spawn and proceed to kill the host and his dickmoon or cuckbro phantoms
>>337981090
cool head crafting, lets see it work.
>>337975850
>getting butthurt over a game feature, something that's a PART of the game
play something else faggot
>invade some piece of shit trespassing in aldritch's home
>he starts running through the field
>keeping up behind him
>he runs up the stairs
>free-aim 2 chaos orbs onto the stairs
>2 direct hits
>dies to lava puddle
>>337971690
If somebody is using the i-frame roll boosting ring, then the only thing you can do is make sure you are next to them when they run out of stamina. You are quite literally invincible with that ring on as long as you keep rolling. Shit sucks.
Otherwise you need to git gud at hitting them between rolls. If you're using a slower weapon then see above.
estoc running attacks or katana attacks
cheap shit but it got the job done for me. trashed the estoc though because it got boring
>>337971690
you hack their souls and get them banned
>>337981553
pyromancy is so god damn fun. free aiming is the fuckin best
>>337978395
Watchdogs are wonky and half the people in it can't get invasions at all.
Aldrich is good except the dueling faggotry crowd decided to set up camp in their invasion area.
>>337981828
got a good build for level 70? i know the rings, just dont know how to spread the stats
knight class by the way
just plan on using chaos bed vestige for ranged and arc for buff so got the attunement part outta the way
>>337981415
not him but are you on ps4? I can show you latr tonight.
>>337972227
>Can't be doing with little shits who would rather be cheap cowardly bastards than play the fucking game they paid money for
Mate, are we talking gankers, or just normal players? Because if they're just trying to progress through the level, then there's really no ruleset needed to determine what kind of actions they should be doing. Anything's on the table at that point, and however they play is going to be fair, barring hacking of course. You're the one impeding their progress at random, it's not like they're requesting some poshed up duel from you.
>>337981553
>>337981828
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylIXhcVAP08
>>337981965
dosent the ps4 have a build in DVR?
save some footage and post it
im watching some lucrene pvp footage right now and the weapon seems to be shit. whats the AP @40/40? seems to me less than 500.
and the combo hes talking about has so much windup it looks near impossible to land against someone with a brain.
>>337981948
I don't remember what I had at 70. I'm up at 120 now with 30 int 30 faith and 40 attunement. I don't actually use chaos bed. I stick to great chaos. I've got sacred flame for retards that don't know how to avoid it, and fire whip is a pretty good punish.
>>337971690
black crystal?
>>337982174
45/40 build with hunter and knight ring on it has a AR of 487 but it has a sweet spot where it deals double damage pretty much. If you hit them with just the tip with the leo ring on counter hit I myself have gotten up to 730 damage I don't know how he hits 1400. Then you can combo the WA spin after landing a r1 witch normally adds another 250+ or so damage on top of it. As for the DVR thing yes it does thank for reminding me about it all make a thread later tonight or post in /dsg when I get home.
>Invade guy
>Hit him with Cathedral Knight Sword for 2/3s of his live
>Know the shitter will roll back to use an Estus, so I throw an undead charm instantly
>He rolls back, tries to use Estus, rekt his ass while his empty animation plays
It's easy enough OP. The idiots who flee are all shitters; I rarely lose to them. I'll only lose to parry gods or peopel who are really good at the game. But those don't chug anyway.
I hate it much more when a faggot invades me, gets his ass kicked, then chugs and runs away trying to get me to aggro enemies.
>>337982174
>The combo has so much windup.
You're dumb.
The combo isnt just the weapon art.
You start it with a regular attack to stun them (preferably a running/backstep attack because theyre fucking great) and then you do the weapon art.
IF you did it right, you should be hitting 4 times for like 350 each
>>337982184
ok then is endurance important? because i might stick to default, same with vitality and ill just use estoc possibly
i wonder if simple estoc would work well with 30 int
>>337982420
The problem isn't punishing people who roll away to heal.
The problem is the people who don't engage you at all and just roll through all of your attacks while summoning phantoms forever. Bonus points if they're wearing the "You're never ever going to hit me" ring.
>>337982515
I've only put a few points into endurance. I do have a bit of trouble staying mobile and casting all the time, though with cloranthy ring it's not bad. I've just been running cloranthy, sages, great swamp and witch ring.
By waiting for ni-oh that has better pvp
>>337976791
lel
>>337978395
He's gonna summon another one anyway, fuckstick. You might as well get rewarded for killing something instead of getting jack shit.
>>337982792
Yeah, I agree with rolling being too overpowered. Fast rolling at 70% weight is ridiculous.
>>337982967
>better pvp
>fight this guy's ghost data
>>337983173
the ganksqaud party is better?
>>337983263
I don't see why they couldn't have a system that summons multiple invaders at the same time to worlds with more than 1 or 2 phantoms.
It's a simple fix.
>>337983445
That can happen though invaders just aren't friendly with each other. I personally kill every last person in the world be it red purple blue aldrich white orange or host when I invade.
chase with a straight sword , time your hits when the roll inv frames end, profit
if you are meele, this is the only viable way I found, also lag can be a problem when chasing
>>337983445
There are underlying problems that make fighting ganksquads ridiculous compared to older games.
That being said, having multiple invaders trigger if a host has more then one phantom would be amazing. Bullshit becomes much more easy to bear with when you have friends.
>>337972227
>Can't be doing with little shits who would rather be cheap cowardly bastards than play the fucking game they paid money for.
For whatever reason, I can only think of people who use this reasoning as people who cry "I DINDU NUDDIN" when they're going around being niggers.
>>337983709
>Having to use overpowered meta weaponry just to get anything done
And if they decided to use the bloodring, then even that doesn't work.
>>337984015
It's understandable. Fighting ganksquads in DaS3 is such a massive pain in the ass. It's so much worse then the other games.
I blame stamina personally. Whoever thought people needed that much stamina regen by default along with everything barely touching it is ridiculous, and you know somebody fucked up when they've made mashing R1 actually viable.
>Fighting somebody
>They're mashing R1
>They keep mashing R1
>They run out of stamina
>By the time you even consider punishing them for it they've already regained half their stamina bar
>Starts mashing R1 again
>Add two more players to fight at the same time also doing this, and repeat infinitely
Add in all the game mechanics that blatantly favour whichever side has more people, along with the innate advantages they have to start with makes it feel like you need to be a masochist to enjoy the 99% ganksquad invading.
>invading
>expecting a fair, balanced and clean fight
PICK ONE
>the rage when you estus in duels
Why? I have to sit there and watch them cast 50 buffs at the start of every fight.
Then, we spend the next 5 minutes circling around each other, looking for openings.
Then we play a game of attrition where you only look for small, easy damage.
And GOD FORBID YOU GET LOW, they start chucking daggers at you to finish you off.
Seriously fuck that, not my fault you roll away after every trade/hit and can't punish estus because you play like a pussy.
>>337974754
I'm not pissed. I was wondering how others combat the people who do it. Everythings fair in an invasion, just looking for a way to fight it.
>>337971690
Had this happen to me on high wall of lothric. The host was a rolling dagger faggot and I couldn't hit him with my greatsword no matter what I tried. I eventually stopped attacking and just sat down, and punished him whenever he thought I was AFK and approach. He summoned four phantoms and had three blues show up and I killed them all (a red even showed up and got so fed up with the hosts shit he attacked me and I had to end him). The invasion lasted close to two hours before the host disconnected.
>>337987705
Duel etiquette has been established since DaS1, if you don't want to follow it then don't fucking duel.
>>337980868
Just treat player phantoms like NPC phantoms and disallow repeat summons until death or bonfire. Done.
The worst is hosts who constantly resummon their butt buddies over and over again. Sometimes these same phantoms will even black crystal out to simply restore their estus.
This Phantom Army shit is ridiculous.
>>337990091
>If you don't follow our arbitrary rules don't play a part of the game
I hate estus chuggers and I refuse to estus in a fight unless they do it first but you sound retarded.
>>337990328
duelling isn't a part of the game.
>>337991130
>binocs and white soapstone in your combat items
Retard.
Other than that though it looks well enough.
>>337982951
no fire clutch?
>>337990091
You won't see me disrupting fight clubs or anything, but when an invasion turns into an "impromptu" duel I get annoyed. I'm here to win, not to let you whittle me down until I die. I'll only "duel" if it benefits me, IE saves me from the wrath of a ganksquad or something.
If I get summoned as a Darkmoon you bet your ass I'm breaking up any pussy duels.
>>337992030
Nah, I would use it but, I have a very shit connection and I need the extra damage absorption.
>>337992463
>>337990328
I dunno, if you are invading somewhere like the kiln or that arena near pontiff, its kind of expected to be a duel.
If you are invaded or invading anywhere else though, anything is fair game. And of course, if you are getting ganked be as cheap as you want.
>>337992463
That's completely fine. But if someone bows to you and you bow (or gesture appropriately) back its expected that you follow the etiquette. If you refuse the bow and just attack then the other guy is in the wrong if he rages about estus flasks.
>>337992956
>all these fucks hosting invasions in road of sacrifices
>act like they're going to do a regular 1v1 in front of farron keep
>have 4 buttbuddies with obscuring on hiding in the trees
fucking christ
>>337993000
>the """"etiquette""""
Even then its still stupid. It should be changed.
I can roll around for 5 minutes and wait for my blessed weapons to heal me, and that's A-OK (most duels involve rolling around for 5 minutes regardless.)
I can drink all the blue estus I want.
I can even pop bountiful sunlight at the start of a fight and that healing is NOT going to be punished.
All the lack of estus does is encourage a hit and run playstyle, and its fucking ass. Hell I'm just going to start any duels from now on with that talisman that removes buffs, I'm so tired of duel culture in general.
>>337993207
Dragonslayer Greataxe is the best tool against ganks I've ever seen.
Gank squads don't dodge half the time, and the hyperarmor on the L2 is real. Most of the time at least one of the phantoms just dies right off the bat to a single L2 (lightning clutch ring and stuff needed) and the rest are knocked down and run off to heal.
>>337993207
Road of Sacrifices isn't nearly as bad some other places, you are limited to two summons there with a dried finger. Undead settlement is bad; I often see three summons every time I invade and sometimes the host has four phantoms on his side because a previous invader decided to join them.
Hey guys, kind of unrelated to dark souls but I'm going to go pick up some hot donuts. Would anyone like some?
>tfw I dont mind getting ganked if they pull funny shit like cosplays or hide as an enemy
Tryhard gank squads are the worse, I just like running into people who at least try to put a show
>>337993505
i agree 100%
like even if blue estus isn't around, you can still just roll around and let your simple shield/weapon regen anyway too
its pretty much etiquette that favors people with boring fuckin 3 shot builds, 2 shot even
>>337993505
Don't duel then, it's not complicated. If you both bow, then it's assumed that you want to duel. Just don't gesture and it's all fair game. I don't see how you're having trouble with this concept
>60 faith
>lightning blade
>any dual wield weapon, in particular gotthards or sellsword
Congratulations, you are now unstoppable as an invader. I invade kiln all day looking for gank squads of 3-4. I take a hit and pretend to be scared and run away to chug to bait them charging at me like the thirsty gank fucks they are and turn around and melt all 4 with a one hit KO.
Toggle lag injection/stat increases to 99 on the trainer. Infinite health/stamina if you really want overkill. Revert after you rape their buttholes.
>>337971690
>hit a guy wearing Ninja armor (fucking nothing) with my Black Knight Greatsword while he winds up the Spin attack weapon art of his Curved Greatsword
>no stun whatsoever and he just combos me through it and kills me
t-thanks From
>>337993635
>limited to 2 summons
tell that to the 3 man sunfag squad+host I just got rekt by. Plus the watchdog that got summoned that attacked me too.
>>337993751
>Invaded 3man gank squad consisting of idiots dressing up as Ornstein, Smough and motherfucking Maldron the assassin
Shit was jokes. I wasn't even mad that they raped my ass.
>>337994325
id like to see a gank squad of abysswatchers
now that would be fuckin hilarious
>>337994552
Even better, the gankers were summoned as reds so they all attack each other on occasion
>>337993941
this.
these "quality" 30/30, 40/40 int/faith builds are trash.
you either go 60 faith or 60 int.
all my magic one shots if it connects and pyro does more than half their HP if it connects.
i use candlestick so i can cast a pyro in one hand, sorcery in the other and then still melee if they try to roll past me.
>they roll into a full homing soul mass because they think i'm casting a soul spear, then start lobbing fire orbs if they run around too much
>>337994552
>one of them is actually a grape wearing a white ring and randomly starts attacking the host
If only I had 2 friends I'd totally do that shit.
>>337974754
What is with this retarded ass mentality? Why do you hate the fun of fighting another player? Too hard for you? Don't want to make contact with another player because you're a shut in? Earlier today I got invaded before Wolnir's room, where of course a bunch of summon signs were. If I was as big of a faggot as you people, I would have run into the boss room, or summoned out the ass. But instead I waited for him to come to me, fought him one on one, and had a blast, more fun than if I had just continued on with the game.
>>337973365
>>337978640
this.
pick one you fucking whiny cunt.
>crying about not being able to stop someone's progress
cry more you fucking faggots. i will continue to stall, kill myself, etc.
>>337994325
I invaded by a group doing the Lautrec fight in Anor Londo and later in the catacombs I found a Pate & Creighton pair.
I dont mind that shit at all, in fact I take that anyday over dueling faggots and tryhard gank squads
random question, is there a way to have mulitple characters at one time in das3?
i want to try multiple builds out, without respecing
>>337995069
nice blog buddy
>>337994325
>invade a four man gank squad, all in the same gear and doing some meme build
>get completely bodied
>learn days later that it was some reddit youtuber and half a million people saw me got my ass whooped and berated
fuck you iron pineapple
>>337993751
I hate the gank squads that pretend that they have skill when they rape you, by not just dicking around which is what being in a gank squad is for.
>>337971690
Don't invade then
>>337995637
Is it your first Souls game?
The game has multiple slots for different characters. Just start a new game.
"Continue" in the main menu just loads the latest character you played.
>get summoned as a blueberry
>beginning of Undead Settlement
>great shield guy stands at the top of the steps
>i stand behind him
>the Dex guy shoots greatbow at invader while they run up the steps
>i periodically shoot magic crap
>we all go back to our idle spot, turn on idle gesture and wait for the next invader, never moving
i did this for an hour and a half and collected like 25 ears.
we were just NPCs and the invader was the player moving through a tough encounter, but losing, that's how it felt, it was hilarious. none of us were really aiming or chasing.
if it isn't non-chalant, it isn't being done right.
>>337995721
was it the thorn rolling one? Which dude were you
>>337995721
What was your build, I want to see you get destroyed too.
To be completely fair, invaders usually have their shit together by the time they decide to start invading. So they're basically going in to each invasion with their host slayer builds while the person invaded is usually just equipped to the best of their ability for PvE at that current point in the game. They aren't ready for you as much as you are for them. Plus you're there to do nothing but give someone else a hard time because it's fun to grief. When you're the one trying to be the dick, and you're invading a world where you have ten thousand body shields in the form of enemies throughout the level for the host to deal with while trying to kill you, then host should have literally every single OTHER advantage.
>go unembered to get through covenant areas like farron swamp or the area after pontiff
>always chameleon and wait for bluebros when reds invade
pretty easy to never die to invaders in this game desu
>not heading to the aldrich zone alone, and fighting off 5 invaders alone at once with as much guerilla shenanigans as you can
>not using invisible body/obscuring/dragoncrest to sneak around and reposition
>not getting hunted down like the dog you are and standing your ground when you get cornered
more fun than ganking desu
>>337996443
>use chameleon after pontiff arena
>area is fuckhuge and goes all the way to Anor Londo
>sit and watch as various phantoms kill each other
>free souls forever
>>337971690
When did people stop invading just for the fun of fucking with the host?
>>337996068
>>337996168
it was the fat knight video and im too ashamed to say who i was
i ALSO invaded the four of them again recently when they were trying to drop firebombs on people in the elevator, fortunately i never fall for elevator shenanigans and took the long way up
i just want to murder people in irithyll dungeon is that so much to ask?
>>337997092
aw come on anon
>>337997092
There is absolutely no reason to be embarrassed about getting fucked over by a 4 man squad anon. Just tell us who you were.If it makes you feel better I just got killed by 4 dudes throwing firebombs at me and nothing more in the swamp at road of sacrifices
>>337996563
I love this area
it has the best multiplayer shenanigans since Anor Londo in DaS1because it is Anor Londo
Too bad there aren't any ceiling structures to force people to walk across and then shoot off with a Dragonslayer Bow
>>337971690
If you're asking my personal solution - which you're not - I just play the game offline always.
Even when people aren't deliberately wasting your time I still just feel like it's a waste of time when I'm trying to make progress in the game, I just don't really want to deal with the distraction. And I don't like summoning help for bosses or any of that either, so the online component of the games has always just been something I can live without.
>>337997092
were you the person who walked onto the elevator with the four heads on it? Because I would have fallen for that too. Symmetrical shit is hard to call bullshit on when you aren't thinking
>>337997379
>>337997593
im the purple phantom with spook on his feet around 3:20, stopped watching the second i saw myself.
now that i watch it again (and fully), at least they didnt show me getting trashed, i saw everyone else getting bullied and expected the worst
>mfw they didnt show my name either like everyone else, for some reason
thank fuck
>>337971690
I just beat the game and I don't understand the ending. The whole game was over the top action and adventure and the ending is just our guy glowing and sitting at a fire for 5 seconds. What the fuck happened and why so anticlimactic? Were they trying to convey a peaceful and calm feeling? Instead the ending just totally tanked. Nice music during the credits though.
>>337998328
lol that was actual nothing
>>337998516
There's multiple endings and you got the most boring one. Linking the fire is probably intentionally unimpressive this time around.
If youre invading you're in no position to complain. You're entering their world with the sole intent of fucking their shit up. Fair game for the host to chug, seed, summon, whatever.
> inb4 hurr carebear
Not at all . Invading is fun. I just realise that the odds are the host doesn't want me there and will do everything in his power to stop me. It's my job to stop him.
>>337974754
>put a sign down
Fuck you. Just today I was summoned 7 times into ganks. To hell with Muh signs, I'll fuck your game and laugh about it.
>>337998685
feels bad man
>>337998743
Maybe don't play online if you don't want to be invaded.
>never invade, 100 % co-op
>just take the fights as they come, never summon anyone
>going straight to the fight every time, never saw a blue
>if invader bows, i bow, if invader estus, i estus, if invader hides in monsters, i seed
>8 times out of 10
i have no problem with the feature
also watchdogs best invaders
HOW MANY PHANTOMS CAN YOU KILL?
3?
4?
5?
>>337973168
The problem is that the amount of iframes on this game is ridiculously high. On 1 and 2 you could actually CONSISTENTLY hit someone between two rolls.
This was one of the various changes that Miazaki-sama made to cater to players like you, the betacuck little bitch numale. Players like you are a huge chunk of the market and making it 60-40 towards the host isn't enough, it has to be 90-10 otherwise you'll get frustrated and not buy the game, going back to CoD or Halo.
>>338000031
3
>>338000574
That grape was a cunt, but man-mace there was a beast.
>>337998328
>Literally the example of someone that plays along with stupid shit
Oh noes.
It is kinda funny that they raped you after without using the footage.
>>337999829
Maybe don't invade if you don't want to deal with the consequences :^)
Name one fun low-level build
>>337998743
No one is complaining. Why are there so many people in this thread that think OP is crying about it. He simply asked for some tactics to use against it.
>>338001748
Grab any greatsword. 2h it and have fun
Make sure to mix in the back-step combo for maximum fun, trips people up all the time
>>338001165
Thanks :^)
>>337975850
No anon in the catacombs you can watch up to 3 phantoms and one host kill themselves with zero input from you. They never see the skeleton boulder coming back.
>>338001882
>greatsword
>fun
>>338001748
Anything with perserverence DESTROYS low level. I posted my webm of me destroying 3 phantoms a few posts up.
>>337971690
This game does give far too many i-frames to those who >30% + ring build.
I normally go and grab a halberd or dual claws depending on the build im using. The halberd running attack has that long reach for hitting at the end of a roll, and the running L1 will often hit on the second strike.
>>338000574
My morning star brethren!
There is no greater feeling than running into an estoc user with that weapon art.
When invading as an Aldritch at Sl50, you get to see a lot of cancer
>Everyone camps the Water Reserve bonfire (I rarely find someone anywhere else in the level)
>Wew lad 2v1 me and my mate both trained in the art of dark sword r1
>Host always plays like a passive bitch and rolls until they can summon the same guy
>Eventually get ganked
Like 2v1's can be pretty good but if you're just going to roll away a thousand times when you've been hit with an undead hunter charm or you're running until you can summon your dark sword buddy back, then you're just playing like a bitch.
Hal, Lucy or Red?
>>338003701
holy fuck i've experienced all of that at 50
that water camping is so fuckin cancerous
and the friend resummoning when he runs out of estus right on the spot
>>338003919
Seen this plenty at 80
>>338001748
>Claws with carthus rouge and as much stam as you can stack
>L1 niggas for days
>L2 faggots that go for a quick sippy
Me and my buddy were fucking around before we finally NG+ on our first guys and we we're trying out different shit on each other. Decided I needed to make a claw character after like 45 seconds of using them.
>>338004270
>no perseverance
It's poop
I've been taken down to pretty much zero HP(not really visible on health bar) by enemies in the game while I kill them. Both of us are attacking at same time.
Is it possible for you and and enemy to die at the same time(1v1) or does the game not allow that?
>>338000574
>>338003540
>perseverance only lasts like 2 seconds
>about a quarter of that time is spent locked in an animation
>meanwhile warcry is like 6 seconds and stuns nearby enemies
For what purpose? It's like From hates the idea of anyone being sturdier than a wet paper towel, or something.
>>338003919
>>338004131
Its terrible, I knowI'm just glad I got my 30th dreg today
Do you even get anything from killing an Aldritch anyway like you do with a purple? Because if you don't there's almost no point to camp there.
>>338004487
nothing whatsoever
its just buttmad hosts who hate invaders. you get barely any souls
>>337974754
>has 30% more health than the invader
>twice as many estus
>probably has a dark sword too
>still runs around summoning phantoms
I hope you all get cancer
>>337989230
>four phantoms and had three blues show up and I killed them all (a red even showed up and got so fed up with the hosts shit he attacked me and I had to end him
So this fucker is some sort of killing machine and he complains hosts doesn't want to fight with him? Of course they won't. Who wants to fight with some hard ass faggot with little to no chance for winning? That's why they doesn't engage with you in combat, asshole.
>>337971690
You invade my game when I'm running solo, I do whatever I damn well please. It's my game, fuck you.
>>338003540
Fuck yeah. Been spanking gank squadders all day with this weapon. A little bit of carthus rouge and two rotations of them running their faces into my L2 R1 R1 they're bleeding like stucked pigs.
>>338004835
i dont mind the fact that my invasion is harder more than i mind that so many people are walking through entire levels with their own squadron of phantoms clearing things for them, how can these people have fun?
>>338004461
Its possible to die at the same time. I've had it happen before
>>338004626
They should dry finger if they want fights at least but then again, they'd probably cry if they had to fight a 2v2.
>>337990101
speaking of black crystaling out
if you're out of estus, just do that, at least they won't get 1-2 estus for your death
>Host has 30% more health than Invaders
>Embers drop like it's going out of style
>Host has near double the Estus of Invaders
>Host can Summon as many Phantoms as they need, with no sort of cool down or penalty
>Host can literally roll spam around an area and Summon as many Phantoms as needed
>Summoning requires nothing more than standing still for 1 second and mashing X
>Host and Phantoms get rewarded with another Estus chug for ganking
>Host is LITERALLY REWARDED for ganking by way of Giant Seeds which take away an Invaders literal only advantage
From may as well have just not put the Red Eye Orb in this game. Successful Invasions now rely on the Host and his butt-fucking-Brady Bunch to be even stupider than usual. Invading against people who know how to abuse the system is nigh impossible.
>>338001748
10 str 10 dex 12 faith rest vig, raw astora straight sword
>>338005039
they usually dont finger, they usually seed on top of being gankspanks which is worse
>>337974754
>>337975850
>ruin your game
There's bonfires every 5 feet, I don't know why hosts even engage invaders when they can literally run to the next bonfire or to any boss with zero difficulty if they aren't literally retarded
>>337979690
Does anybody actually carry "a lot" of souls? Anyone with a tenth of a brain spends that shit every chance they get unless they just don't care
>>338005415
Not to mention Invading / being Invaded is part of the "experience" and is meant to be used. What, do people expect everyone to just farm PvE enemies for Covenant rewards?
>>338005415
they can just run fuckin past everything
its usually gankspanks intentional or they are completely new
theres no middleground between the casuals and veterans
>>338005282
That's notfunat all
>>338005659
>gankspanks intentional
How? I rarely get invaded, cant imagine just waiting in an area for it. Thinking about it, it must be fun to invade me, i never summon outside of bosses, and even then thats just to give sunbros some medals.
>>338005643
If you're a dorkmoon, yes.
>>338005818
because if you invade, you are most likely going to get a group. its prior in their stupid fuckin system now
>>338005818
>How?
Summon friends, wear way of the blue, pop dried fingers and a giant seed. Wait for invaders to shuffle in as you reset your timer for invasions every time you pop the fingers.
You have to literally retarded to lose as a gank squad, even if you somehow get even numbers of invaders to your squad, they still have to deal with friendly fire/hit stun, not to mention invaders cannot be more than 10% above your level while your phantom buddies can be over 20% above
>>338005818
>>338005972
when i mean gankspank i mean people intentionally just sittin at the bonfire or fuckin around clearing the whole level waiting for invaders so they can gangbang them
by completely new people just summoning for people to carry them through the level
either way you are prioritized to invade groups
I invade fairly often in the road of sacrifices and every once in a while a watchdog actually managed to spawn in with me. I figure after waiting possibly 100 hours for an invasion, they'd want to work together or otherwise avoid dying, but no, half the time they go right for me. Are they retarded or do you actually get additional swordgrass for killing reds along with the host?
>>338006093
gankspank is overcoming a gank
>invaders mad when a host summons help
The only reason to be embered is to get fucking phantoms.
I swear, it's always these no-fun-allowed try hard fags that ruined the game. Watch any PvPer on stream and they constantly bitch about gank squads but that's the risk you run when you invade.
So fucking stupid. I wish FROM dropped the Invasion/Co-op element entirely since it brought in a bunch of drooling retards and made the PvE experience suck dicks.
>>338006378
What swordgrass does?
>>338006378
Fucking this holy shit. I just invaded a 2v1 where the host was baiting people out and his buttbuddy was behind a tree firing magic. I was watching from a distance with obscuring on and they fucking rekt a dude. Then they started fighting a watchdog that appeared, so i ran in to make it a fair fight, and all three ganged up on me.
>>338005167
You need to invade in places that allow you to use the terrain to your advantage. They might have summons, but if you know something they don't then that's an advantage for you. I like luring people into aggroing the horde of skeletons in the catacombs, breaking the bridge, and blocking the only way out with a greatshield so they can't escape and get boned. I've also been extremely successful pushing people off cliffs with Force.
>>338006763
>play offline
>summon npcs for bosses
sorry if you're shit and need them to get through the level
>>338006763
>The only reason to be embered is to get fucking phantoms
30% health boost.
>>338006378
>invaders who attack anyone other than the host or their co-op summons
Fucking retards. Like, we all have the same objective, to kill the host. Why even attack anyone other than the host or their entourage? There is no gain, in-fact it makes completing your task even harder by killing others working towards that same objective.
Purples are the exception and they get a free pass though because they basically only exist to cause chaos and shenanigans.
>>338006962
>I wish FROM dropped the invasion/co-op element entirely
>this somehow means I summon NPC phantoms or play offline
You're a fucking idiot.
>>338007061
>not realizing that is one of the perks that made the game for what it is
>i want it removed :^(
yeah i sparked a nerve :^)
also you ember for more health too. do you play the game or just watch your PvP streamers
>>338006962
>mfw the first time I've summoned a npc was with Abyss Watchers
Biggest mistake in the whole game desu, we're cutting through them like a cheese, I was very disappointed.
t. died two times at Royce
>>338006378
>invade gank squad
>gank squad fucks up and host runs to get more phantoms
>other red decides to attack me
I black crystaled out, you deal with the new phantoms and the blue that just came in
>>338007821
You get in my way? I'll cut you down. I don't care what you color is.
>>338008130
You're an idiot. Why would you attack your allies?
>>338008130
THE EDGE
>>338008208
>allies
Means nothing to me, I'm there to fight and kill, doesn't matter who.
>>338008130
Okay, calm down there Shadow. I don't want to catch your true ambivalence to good and evil.
>>338008295
You are there to kill the host. That is your purpose you dumbass edgelord.
Unless you refuse to fight without help of the protection of enemies like 99.99% of invaders than you should be more than capable of punishing scrubs who already cant 1v1 especially when they are stopping to pick up phantoms.
>>337987705
>Then, we spend the next 5 minutes circling around each other, looking for openings.
Because it makes that 5 minutes even longer.
>get invaded
>ok
>after 3-5 minutes I start to get bored and decide to just kill myself and jump off a ledge
>survive, but then get caught near fast enemies
>realize that I'm carrying souls I rather not bother fighting for, so run away with a sliver a health left.
>do a "collapse" taunt when invader finally finds me
>he just bows and leaves
... that happened today.
>>338002602
Sorry, grab any 100% physical shield, straight sword, and make sure you have a pyromancy
>>338008130
*teleports behind you*
You won't be the one cutting people down, kid
>>337974754
>>337975850
i don't understand why you don't just play offline. The only pros of playing online is being able to summon other human players, even when there's NPC phantoms.
>>337998918
What? I put down red summon signs after Sully's bonfire for hours at a time and I've never once run into a gank squad.
>>338008295
is this real autism?
like, for real?
If I use CE to change my guy's name will I get banned? I put in my real name without thinking and now I look like a pleb.
>>338008974
time for a restart
>>338009030
but I'm already past Dancer I don't want to do all that again
>>338009074
Looks like you're staying out of PvP, being embarrassed, or getting banned
pick oneI don't actually know how easy it is for them to find hackers and ban them
>>337982153
That's cool as fuck.
>>338008130
"my darksword is +10 ill fuck you up m8"
>>338009074
>>338008974
>Rosaria, Mother of Rebirth can change your stats entirely, make you look completely different in every way
>but your name will always be the same
>>337987705
If I see someone start buffing to me that signals the start of a fight.
You wouldn't let Phoenix Wright gather evidence at the start of a match in MvC3 would you?
>>338000574
Whats your build in this webm?
I miss tanking hits with poise.
>>338009239
>Respecing your stats and changing your appearance AT ALL are tied to Invading
>You can only do it 5 times per playthrough
Alot of this game feels like Miyazaki and the "A" Team being intentionally retarded and bad at game design.
>>337995897
How were you able to remain there as blueberry? I thought if one invader dies you are returned home.
>>338004483
The weapon art is supposed to punish R1 spammers by tanking a hit at an added 50% reduced damage and then giving you enough time to strike them as they are striking you.
It's a "winAtrade" weapon art. Its the bane of darksword babies when used right.
>>338003701
>warp to water reserve bonfire
>wait until get invaded
>climb up ladder
>poke my head out at top
>wait
>invader comes in
>see me peeking out
>act like i'm sliding down the ladder
>he follows
>actually just went a couple rungs down
>punch up at him
>he falls to his death
>aldrich faithful invades
>repeat process
>this guys a little smarter
>won't follow me down ladder
>another aldrich invades
>this guy goes gung ho down ladder after me
>punch his ass to his death
>5 mins go by of a stand off between me and last aldrich guy
>ANOTHER fucking aldrich invades
>knocks his ass into the pit just like the others
>final aldrich just gives up and black crystals out
>>338009395
SL 20, prisoners chain, life ring, estus ring, hornet ring
VIG 22
ATT 6
END 13
VIT 11
STR 16
DEX 13
INT 8
FAI 9
LUCK 11
started warrior class.
>>338008974
kek it's always funny to invade to world of "Dan" or something like that
>>338005016
> Your invasion is harder.
The low level player can barely deal with the NPCs when some cuck that the enemies can't even touch tries to ruin their progress.
So when they summon a friend so they can have a chance you go MUH HONOUR.
Stick with red summons if you wanna duel, or better yet, kill yourself.
>>337979782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxtWC6Djtdw
Is that him at 1:25? Only this one is red.
>>338009818
Why would he give up? Just throw bombs/knives/shoot arrows.
What's with unprepared invaders? You get a good 6 seconds or more of "You are being summoned", should be more than enough time to swap your items around.
If you're actually invading (using cracked/red eye orb) then you have absolutely no excuse for not having your shit in order.
>>338010746
There's literally nothing you can shoot/throw/cast that can hit someone on the water reservoir ladder if they're close to the top.
>>337972227
You're in their world. Who are you to say how they play their game?
>>338005167
If you try to ruin my experience I will ruin yours.
And I will keep doing it until you cucks learn to fuck off and use red summons instead.
>>338010859
I think the Boulder Pyromancy might work if spaced right, though who is going to have that attuned?
Can't you throw a Chaos Fireball at the ceiling and have the lava fall on him?
>grape invading
>team up with Aldrich to take on host and phantom
>kill phantom
>Aldrich goes for host
>gets greatsword in back
>DUTY FULFILLED
Memery be damned, being grape is truly fun.
>>337973882
LOL THE COUNTER IS TO NOT GET HIT
Wow, you really nailed it
