Is the fan community too harsh on Dark Souls 2?
It's not harsh enough
>>336087518
It's better with the expansion and the patches. The online community was almost nonexistent to start and they cut it in half by re-releasing the game with slightly different lighting. Bosses were mostly small humanoids and all the difficulty came from ganks. There was not a single song that I remember from the OST unlike Demon Souls and DS1. The original story made little to no attempt to continue either ending of DS1 and would of been better off being Giant Souls. NPC stories were unfinished or pointless and most seemed to exist just to be a reference to other characters.
FROM took what made them famous: difficulty and minimal story telling, and then distilled it into an uninteresting uninspired game.
>>336087518
Yes, and not harsh enough on Dark Souls 3. DS3 takes all of the absolute worst things about DS2 (linearity, "difficulty means flooding a tiny room with a million enemies" design philosophy), and taking all the best parts of DS2 out while at the same time filling it with nothing but retarded hollow DS1 fanservice.
DS2 is objectively, OBJECTIVELY, better than DS3.
>>336088674
>The online community was almost nonexistent
the online was more active then it ever was, it just didnt get active until you got much higher
>>336087518
A lot of the flak it gets comes from how fucking god damn awful it was on launch. Patches and Scholar fixed some of these issues (shit enemy placement, broken magic), but it's still the worst entry by far.
>>336088674
>It's better with the expansion and the patches.
Why's that?
>>336088789
This. A million times this.
>>336088674
>The online community was almost nonexistent to start
Dark2 have double the amount of active player on steam compared to DaS constantly.
>>336088674
Pretty much what this guy said, although outside of equipment, I really don't think the DLC fixes the game that much. It's an attempt at a souls game by people who had no idea what made the others good.
>>336088789
At least Dks3 actually has fucking aesthetics, Dks2 stylistically is probably the worst game i've ever played. There are few areas as ugly as shaded woods, black gulch, or iron passage. Not to mention the complete and total lack of memorable bosses or music in Dks2. But please, enlighten me as to how it's "objectively" better.
Yes they are too harsh, but it is legitimately a bad game regardless.
>>336088789
>linearity, "difficulty means flooding a tiny room with a million enemies" design philosophy
DaS3 was nowhere near as linear as 2, and I never had constant mobs in 3.
You're full of fuck.
>>336087518
No. A trash game by all standards, it has none of the unique storytelling that Das1 built itself around, the levels were wholly uninspired and boring while Das3 somehow made similar levels unique and exciting.
Bosses were not impressive and most of the time shitty humanoid fights. Music was forgettable, enemy designs were mostly forgettable while the ones that weren't were lifted directly from the previous game. Shit difficulty levied around throwing hard-tracking mobs of foes instead of actual challenging move sets.
It's objectively the worst of the series. But since it was many peoples first souls game, chodes flock to its defense.
Oh, but the PvP was okay. Just above meh-tier.
>>336088789
>implying 2 had any good parts to take out
>implying 2 wasn't also full of worthless DaS fanwank.
>implying 3's bosses aren't an objective improvement over 2
>implying you're not just a contrarian faggot.
Liked the game, definitely not better than DeS or DS1, but still alright. I played offline exclusively tho
I'm guessing the PVP was so shitty it justifies hating the game
>>336088789
>>336089048
Stop replying to yourself.
>>336088789
>Filled with nothing but retarded hollow DS1 fanserive
Hi pot. I'm kettle.
>>336089581
>One boss versus literally an entire game
>>336088789
>linearity
It's a different kind of linear.
DaS2, you could tackle the four big guys in any order, but each individual area had very few shortcuts and were practically straight lines.
DaS3 is closer to DS1 style, with areas looping back on themselves and shortcuts everywhere (although fewer "global" shortcuts that open new paths to other areas than 1, probably cut because of instant warping), but from what I've seen so far, it's very linear boss-wise. It seems that there's a much stricter order that you have to fight bosses in, apart from one or two exceptions.
>mob spam
Nowhere near as bad as pre-SotFS 2. It was a total shitfest, and a bow to aggro enemies was necessary.
It should give it even more shit
>>336087518
At this point I believe that all who hate the game are either salty beyond redemption or part of some massive shilling conspiracy.
or both, probably both.
>>336089406
>>implying 2 had any good parts to take out
>bonfire levels
>duel wielding
>lefthanding weapons was viable
>fist-wizard ring
>>336088789
>Das2>Das3
what a sick joke
>>336089643
Totally unique. Do not steal.
>>336089795
>hate the game
>massive shilling conspiracy
Do you know what a shill is?
>>336089920
Totally fanwank free guys I swear.
>>336087518
DS3 took everything good out of dark souls 2 while keeping all the bad and fans suck its dick because mitsubishi made it
>>336090240
>Comparing this to the utter wank that was Patches wearing an onion suit
>>336090334
I wasn't aware that soul memory and healing crystals were in 3.
>>336090334
>I haven't played 2 OR 3
nah the launch was horrible
making a hd version a year after was bullshit.
>>336090368
Did somebody say onion suit?
>>336090102
Covert advertising.
Perhaps they'd say that ds2 is bad to get you to play, say, ds1 or ds3. Why, you ask? I don't know, that's why it's a conspiracy.
Besides, do jokes really have to make sense?
I've heard a lot of people saying 3 is the best in the series. I simply can't agree. It's too short, too linear and wallows in 1's shadow too much. It's good, but not the best.
Your thoughts?
>>336090368
Nice strawman faggot. Doesn't change the fact that sequels do incorporate parts of the previous entries.
>>336090392
the enemy clusterfucks, teleporting everywhere, enemy tracking, enemies read your inputs, weapon movesets are barely unique, while removing every quality of life change for pvp ds2 had
>>336090804
>Strawman
>DS3 does everything you've posted and piles on heaps more besides
So can someone tell me what exactly is the Throne of Want?
>>336087518
It's unironically better than 3
>frigid outskirts
>>336090938
The kiln from ds1 turned into a throne. Stolen by the king from the giants, which is why they're pissed and came to get it.
>>336090920
Yes it was a strawman, and yes sequels do in fact include parts of other games in the series. Or should we throw out every Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy, Devil May Cry, and Deus Ex after the first two entries.
>>336087518
It had some good things , and bad things.
for once the pvp was a little bit better than on Dark souls 1.
The single player experience was absolute dogshit save for some few moments.
Its not the worst game ever. Far from that in fact , but its not the sequel people expected it to be.
Dark souls 3 feels more like an Encore rather than a new game/sequel.
>>336091317
Oh, I see. You're just having a laff and don't actually believe what you're saying. Good one Anon, you got me good.
I thought it was good. The biggest issue I had with it was the tracking of some attacks. I didn't enjoy it as much as DaS 1, but it was still a lot of fun.
>>336091395
You're assertion is that Dark Souls 3 is bad in part because it frequently references Dark Souls 1.
My assertion is that if you apply this logic to literally any other form of media it falls apart.
Feel free to back up your argument in any way.
>>336091076
>pre patch shrine of Amana
>>336088789
>new game comes out
>predecessor is instantly better
>even though the predecessor is garbage
this truly is the WORST board
>>336087518
Yes.
Soul Memory was a huge mistake, but there's nothing else in the game that's bad enough for it to be treated like the black sheep in the series.
>>336091527
>In part
>In
>part
So are you being a retard on purpose or not? It's hard to tell. Are you willfully ignoring the fact that DS3 has all the same gameplay faults as DS2 and thensome? The ridiculous enemy tracking, ganks, and so on? On top of that making retarded decisions like making 90% of chests in the game mimics and STILL not fixing the blue covenants?
>tfw can't be bothered to finish Scholar
>>336091714
same
I had to really force myself to finish vanilla 2, and I just got bored with SoTFS. The DLC is pretty cool, but it also gets boring fast.
>>336091632
What about the gameplay, story, lore, music, environments, world design, level design, enemy design, boss design, art direction, graphics, and online?
>>336091714
man i never beat DS2, i got to the iron keep and just kind of bailed
i can't justify dropping $40 or whatever it is on a reskin of the same game i disliked, but i want to put time into it and play it, feels bad
>>336091702
Yes, I am currently only arguing for this one topic. I'm sorry for not simultaneously addressing every single complaint you have.
The enemy tracking is no worse than it was in one, instead now most enemies have sweeping attacks to compensate, ganking enemies have low poise and lack a shield much like 1 and unlike 2. I fail to see how having more mimics is inherently bad and covenants have never been perfect.Still waiting for you to back up that whole fanservice assertion.
>>336088674
>all the difficulty came from ganks
>not a single song that I remember from the OST
>bosses were mostly small humanoids
so dark souls 3
>>336087518
No, it doesn't get enough hate. It is by far the worst game ever made. LITERALLY everyone hates this fucking piece of shit. LITERALLY EVERYTHING about it is horrible, so much that it is practically unplayable. Only reason it doesn't have a universal 1/10 is because of paid reviews. Fuck you and fuck anyone that says this game isn't the biggest stain on the video game industry!
>>336092292
>implying Souls of Cinder, Abyss Watchers, and Gundyr weren't top tier themes.
>>336091578
the hipster mentality on this website is fucking retarded
I'd say that yea, in general it gets way too much hate.
but at the same time, I feel like the criticisms are justified. it's not a bad game, but compared to the other games in the series it is certainly underwhelming
>>336092473
>No, no, THESE generic humanoid bosses are okay because I like them
>>336091578
keep going mitsubishi apoligist
>>336088674
>uninteresting uninspired game
Then why isn't Dark Souls 3 getting it's ass torn in two? The game is literally like someone made a Bloodborne mod and put a bunch of Dark Souls references in it.
Dark souls 2 with SOTFS considered, is probably the best in the series outside of DeS.
>>336092608
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension
So the new meme is that DS2 is better than DS3.
The worst game of the entire franchise is better than arguably the best game of the series.
I already knew you guys were all faggots that can't follow a trend because MUH TASTE IM A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE but now this faggotry is off the charts.
>worst level design
>worst covenants
>AGILITY
>crap hitbox
>rehash bosses
>caestus
>shitty ending
>lore is worst than ever
>the only memorable moment is when I lost my all my data because NO CLOUD SAVE
Disgusting elitist fags.
>>336092716
You forgot healing crystals so you can facetank bosses likes it's DeS again.
>>336087518
No. Only /v/
Why is this board into this series so much? I finally booted up DS1 a couple of days ago and holy fuck is this game slow, boring, repetitive, and ugly as fuck. I swear when I hit that darkroot area I thought there had to be something wrong with my graphics card, nope. Had to call it quits just after blighttown. It seems to me people try a little too hard to like this game.
>>336092716
see
>>336091578
just typical /v/ behavior
>>336092716
>new meme
it's just psychology man, when something new comes along you are naturally going to look at things before it in a new light. dark souls 3 is awesome but it's also making people go back to dark souls 2 and look at it differently.
this is why I never understood the outrage over the zelda cycle, it's just a thing that always happens not only in entertainment but everyday life.
>>336092716
Dark Souls 3 is better than 2 but it's not better than 1. It's not better than Bloodborne or even Demon's Souls. It's an alright game that has basically nothing to offer from the standpoint of atmosphere, story, or world design, even though the combat is pretty fun and the game looks pretty and the levels are decent. It doesn't compare well because it's the second sequel to a game that didn't need one in the first place.
>>336092716
>begin game
>run up and find the big ogre cyclops thing
>it comes at me to do it's grab
>be moved completely behind it and several feet away
>it still somehow grabs me
How the fuck can anyone play that piece of shit? I'd rather swallow nails than play two minutes of that shitstain.
>>336092989
>It's not better than Bloodborne
oh fuck right off
>>336092716
>arguably the best game of the series
Stopped reading there.
>worst PvP
>worst build variety
>easiest game yet
>only thing new in the story is you can become xXLordofHollowsXx instead of choosing to link or not
>covenants are back to boring rehashed shit (two of the covenants are literally the same thing)
>rehashed entire areas
>worst fireslut
>>336092989
>nothing to offer from the standpoint of atmosphere,
dude I don't care what you say, but dark souls 3 is absolutely dripping with atmosphere
Is this like how /tv/ thinks the Star Wars prequels are the best movies in the series now?
>>336089086
You're full of shit.
>At least Dks3 actually has fucking aesthetic
Yeah because that matters more than actual gameplay
>Not to mention the complete and total lack of memorable bosses or music in Dks2
The only memorable track in DaS3 is Soul of Cinder. And are you seriously trying to tell me that you cared about Crystal Sage or Old Demon King? If boss tier lists weren't posted on a daily basis I'd forget about half that shit.
Dark Souls 3 is lazy, derivative, vapid garbage that is only getting a pass because you idiots have such a hard-on for Miyazaki.
>>336088789
The enemy placement is a million times better than in DaS2.
>No bonfire campers
>no despawning enemies if you farm them
>not a single encounter where more then 2-3 enmies attack you at once other than maybe the skeleton bridge which can be cut to kill all of them and the lizardmen next o to the nameless king bonfire who come in waves
>your roll is buffed so much that you can deal with everything easily
Not to mention the weapons taking some of the best from both games and adding even more. Bosses are much more memorable as well
>no dynamic lighting
>npc characters have set lines, after those they repeat one line
>redundant weapons
>no lucatil
>....
I could be write a autistic list out but this group would tear me to shreds, so autistic they be.
IMO ds2 had a better OST, the few bosses were cool, no gimic bosses
>>336092932
>making people go back to dark souls 2 and look at it differently.
Yeah I did the same. 3 made 2 look even worse than it did before.
>>336093125
but they're right
>>336092473
>implying the only memorable part of Soul of Cinder wasn't the Gwyn leitmotif
>implying abyss watchers isn't just a shittier version of moonlight butterfly
gundyr's theme was alright, none of them are really memorable
DaS3 fucked up by not just rehashing the Firelink Shrine music, considering they already were pandering the fuck out of the audience
>>336093147
>not a single encounter where more then 2-3 enmies attack you at once
???????????????
>>336092716
>>worst level design
no worse than DS3, in DS3 ganks are fucking everywhere
>>worst covenants
You mean the best, invading covenants actually worked and there were a good variety of them, blues could invade sinners
>AGILITY
only legitimate complaint
>crap hitbox
on like two specific boss attacks and one enemy
>caestus
bitching about nothing
>shitty ending
DS3
>lore is worst than ever
Oh, but its okay in DS3 when all the old factions with their exact same old armor and names appear everywhere
>the only memorable moment is when I lost my all my data because NO CLOUD SAVE
yeah, the best part in ds3 was when I got shadowbanned because I got hit by a cheater in pvp
>>336093125
I love this meme.
>TFA is a genuinely terrible movie
>Anons on /tv/ notice this and compare it to the prequels
>Hurr durr contrarian faggots love the prequels now
>nothing but endless LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE threads
>now threads praising 2
this board man
>>336093047
yes, because not a single enemy or boss in DaS 1 has a shitty grab attack
>>336093346
frig off
Not counting Demon Souls, what is the best Souls game?
I haven't played any of them, but I'm tired of seeing every other post be about Dark Souls so I might just give it a try.
Better yet, rank the Souls games from best to worst. Include Demon Souls and Bloodborne if you wish.
can we at least agree that BB is the best of all Souls games and arguably the greatest game so far this decade?
>>336092473
They weren't though. It was all the same generic fake ass opera music that they've been using for 5 years.
>Pre-patch Shrine of Amana
Worst area in the entire series.
Besides that, I find dark souls 2 extremely comfy for some reason.
>>336093245
It's true though, unless you rush into everything headfirst
>>336093421
Dark Souls I (pre-patch)
>>336093421
>Not counting Demon Souls, what is the best Souls game?
Dark Souls 2 or Bloodborne, it's pure preference which you like better though.
>Better yet, rank the Souls games from best to worst. Include Demon Souls and Bloodborne if you wish.
DeS > Dark Souls 2 SotFS = Bloodborne > Dark Souls 1 > Dark Souls 3
>>336093421
DaS1=DaS3>DeS------------>DaS2
Haven't played bloodbourne yet
While the quality of content in ds2 varies greatly it is by far the biggest game. Even the base game has the highest number of bosses, weapons and areas.
It also has the best movement in my opinion as well. ADP was a great idea and It was very responsive unlike DS3 with its useless backstep that doesn't even come out half the time. They also got the weight limit percentages correct as well. None of this knight in full armor ninja flipping around garbage.
It was an abomination for the first week or so until the bugs got patched out. Still the worst souls game. Still better than Bloodborne
>>336093530
>DaS2 not last
You're a lying faggot. It's by far the worst game in the series.
>>336092716
>shitty ending
>lore is worst than ever
Still better than the shit DaS3 had
Aldia and breaking the cycle was a cool element of the story they completely ignored for the third game
I mean they ripped the thrones and giants straight out of the second game, why not some more?
nah let's just rehash das1 lmao
DS1>DS2>DS3
>>336093489
>Flipping Havel
Though i agree
After finishing DaS 3 I kinda wanna get SotFS. Is it worth it for somebody who liked 2 probably more than most on here (though I recognize its shortcomings), never did NG+ in 2, and am interested in the new enemy and item placement?
>>336093628
I just now realized I backstepped maybe 8 times ever in 3.
And 7 of those were accidents
>>336093421
We have a poll
http://www.strawpoll.me/10097196/
>>336093637
Not anymore. Dark Souls 3 has taken it's spot. The sheer amount of damage control patches From is going to be putting out proves this.
>>336093637
Nope, played them all in order when they released, 100% achieved Dark Souls 2 but didn't bother with 1 because of how shit it was compared to DES.
>>336093616
nah nigga
DaS1=DeS>Bloodborne>DaS2SotFS=DaS3------->DaS2
>>336091971
How about you offer an explaination instead of listing a bunch of aspects of a video game.
>>336093489
>>336093667
What's wrong with the patches?
>>336093145
I've played DaS3 for about 100 hours now. It's a good game, but it sucks that they did so much wrong. Could've been great. If Bloodborne had god tier PvP it would've been the best game by From.
>>336093815
Nothing, really.
Hi guys. All Souls games are pretty fun. I really think we've all got a pretty good thing going for ourselves here and it's a shame we feel the need to go toxic over it at the drop of a hat. There are few joys in life, let alone gaming. I sure do hope you all can manage to appreciate it at least when you're outside Mexican picture boards. That's all. Carry on.
>>336093628
>ADP was a great idea
And while it might have a big number of bosses, it barely had any npcs or bosses who were memorable at all. I'd be hard pressed to remember any npc but Lucatiel and maybe the queen who turns out to be the final boss
>>336093716
>demon's souls has as many votes as DaS2
>DaS3 has more votes than demon's souls
fuck this shitty board
1) Dark Souls
2) Dark Souls 2
3) Dark Souls 3/Bloodborne
Never played demon souls
>>336093849
fuck off
>>336093815
One thing that was wrong with it was them overnerfing Izalith so much that dragon asses don't aggro at all anymore
I was the nugget asking if the games worth buying about 10 hours ago, reporting in.
I'm at the crystal wizard right now and this game is fucking amazing. Easily one of my favorite games of all time.
>>336093421
I haven't played DeS but I'd rank the games
DaS 3 > Bloodborne > Das 1 > Das 2.
>>336093628
>ADP was a great idea
>>336094051
Got the threads mixed up, thought I was posting on vg
>>336093835
If you think DaS3's a good game, you should think DS2's fucking phenomenal.
>>336088789
Hit the nail on the head.
>>336089086
Is this going to turn into a Fallout 3 vs NV deal?
Where the only reason people like 3 is because "muh atmosphere"
>>336094049
>Pre-patch Drake and Josh
Still the hardest boss fight in the series
>>336094051
>I'm at the crystal wizard right now and this game is fucking amazing.
I'm the guy you're responding to. Which game in the series is amazing?
I never bothered to play Scholar of the first sin because i couldn't get into DaS2 at all, did i miss out?
>>336094201
The newest one.
Keep in mind that I haven't done any online shit yet. If you like that then I heard that the balance for it is fucked.
I've only played a little of DaS 3 but it feels much better to play compared to DaS 2. DaS 3 is like a mix between DeS and DaS, and immediately made a better first impression on me than DaS 2 by giving the Knight class a proper shield at the beginning.
The Estus in DaS 2 was awful at the start and I hated using soul gems to heal to make up for it. In contrast the Estus in DaS 3 lets me balance out how much uses of health or magic restoring Estus I carry along and starts off with four uses to share between the two flasks, also encouraging different healing styles right from the get go. I could go full standard Estus or full Ashen if I want to limit my heals another way.
>>336088789
What? The enemy placement isn't perfect, but you might need to replay 2 again, because comparatively it's jesus. 2 was design-wise absolutely miserable. I just beat 1, 2, and 3 a few times consecutively, and mechanically, story wise, and aesthetically it's by far the worst. I won't say 3 is perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better.
>>336087518
ds2 dlc > all of ds3
>>336089447
ds2 pvp is the best in the series
>>336089086
>At least Dks3 actually has fucking aesthetics
particle effects and reused symbols from other games
wow flames shooting up at a eclipse how intense!!!
I feel really epic to know my headcanon of solaire linking the fire to be true!
thanks miyazaki!
maximize profits for nippon!!!
DaS3 already wins out over DaS2 for me just by bringing my favorite weapon back
>have bonewheel skeletons in the game
>don't make them drop their shield
Why, b-team?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU4wemLxYrY&index=1&list=PLIlU_HVFob8DHje8VYtSYG5b0s4_3PRji
Playing Dark Souls 3 made me like Bloodborne more for some reason
>>336093421
Haven't played DS1 of DeSI own them and will fix that mistake, don't worry, but of what I have played:
Bloodborne > DS3 > DS2: SotFS
>>336094570
Maybe balancewise, but them not giving you an unlimited orb hurts it mechanically and way of the blue was a shitty idea that also poisoned DaS3.
>limit invasions
>make an anti-invasion covenant
>that only owrks if others pick a covenant without rewards and is further limited by those limited invasions
>>336094020
I love you.
>>336093421
Dark Souls > Bloodborne > Dark Souls 3 > Demon's Souls >>>>>>>>>> Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First Sin
Everything but DaS 2 is great, so save that one for last.
>>336092932
I went back to DaS 2 immediately after beating 3 for the fourth time, and it's still as fucking terrible as I remembered. Actually, it was worse. And I'm playing SotFS.
I miss DaS1 leveling, I hate having to wait through two loading screens to make sure I don't lose everything when the inevitable anvil drops on my head.
It had the best character creator IMO since the hair looked decent enough.
DSIII hair is too bristly
>>336094874
>>336093421
Demon's Souls = Pre-Patch DaS > AotA > SotFS > DaS3 > Bloodborne = DaS2
>>336093421
DaS 3 = DaS 2 > DaS > DeS
>>336093421
3
bloodborne / 1
2
never played DeS
>>336095023
Bloodborne hands down had the best character creator.
DS3's character creation is just a cheap imitation of it
>>336093421
DaS3 = DaS = DeS = BB > DaS2
Am I the only one that thinks the songs in the series aren't that good? For the most part, they all just sound like generic background noise and are easily forgettable even after listening to just the theme itself.
The only two songs that really stood out to me are Gwyn's theme and Maiden Astraea's.
>>336095606
You aren'T. They do a decent job of building up to the climax of the fight, but most parts of the game don't even have music and few tracks stand out
>>336095606
DeS had the best soundtrack in my opinion. It reminded me of old school arcadey RPGs.
Dark Souls games and Bloodborne just rely too much on choir shit.
>>336095606
I'm with you. There are only a couple of choice tracks from each game that I actually like and would listen to outside of the game.
I liked Dark Souls 2 a lot at the time of playing but but I suspect that was mostly because I was itching for another Dark Souls more than the game really being all that great. I hardly remember any of the bosses now other than the throwbacks to the old games and if I'm asked to name the best boss fights in the game, Dark Souls 2 bosses don't even come close.
That said, I did enjoy the game enough to play through it a second time.
>>336095606
I think Bloodborne's soundtrack is fantastic. I keep coming back and listening to songs like Ludwig's Theme and the Cleric Beast theme.
I also enjoyed Dark Souls 3 soundtrack but a lot of it sounds really similar. The best ones are probably the main theme or Yhorm's theme.
Mostly just a bunch of choir sounds blasted over dramatic orchestra music.
>>336095606
They're not. Generic orchestral sweeps and chanting, plus they only play during boss fights and half the bosses in any Souls game die instantly.
DaS3 seems to have a fair bit of effort put into the OST, with a few standout tracks like the Princes or the Abyss Watchers. Still nothing I would really say is notable though. It's always baffled me when people complain about the OST of say, DaS2 as if the soundtrack even fucking matters
>>336096234
>It's always baffled me when people complain about the OST of say, DaS2 as if the soundtrack even fucking matters
I've seen people complain about the OSTs sometimes and it's weird as fuck. Most of the tracks are incredibly bland or try too hard to be grand or ominous. It's shitty to try and use it as an argument for one particular game.
It always struck me as odd that a lot of the boss themes have views numbering in the hundreds of thousands despite how forgettable they are.
>336087518
Yes
>>336087518
only /v/ really
critics rated it higher than everything but Bloodborne and most souls players put more time into DaS2 than the others, I'm sure DaS 3 will surpass hours played though
>>336095026
But I really think we can be friends.
>>336087518
Yes the game is decent enough.
>>336087518
its not harsh, the dev just need to git gut at making game
>>336087518
DS3 had hitboxes that don't extend beyond models.
>>336087518
No. Its a really poor follow up to how good Dark Souls 1 is. The DLC is really good but that is no excuse for the poor base game experience.
>>336093346
happens every fucking time
>>336093389
>pic related
The bosses of DaS2 weren't that great but I do think the settings are better than those of DaS3 even if they didnt make sense geographically.
>>336087518
Yes, some things are objectively better in DS2 compared to both DS1 and DS3. The equipment durability was way better implemented for example.
>>336088674
>The original story made little to no attempt to continue either ending of DS1 and would of been better off being Giant Souls.
I don't think that's necessarily a problem. I like Dark Souls 2 a lot but it's a completely unnecessary sequel. The best move it could've made was building on the universe as a whole rather than just rehashing it up like DS3.
>>336092037
Why not just pirate it? It's not like the PvP is worth shit.
>>336093530
That's my exact ranking, holy shit.
>>336093815
The base game was much worse. The lock-on system was clunky as fuck and Fog Ring was obnoxious to say the least.
>>336088789
>filling it with nothing but retarded hollow DS1 fanservice.
Never understood this, was it expected that Dark Souls 3 have absolutely nothing to do with the first?
B-team downgraded rubbish.
>oh man new dark souls get hyped
>why do i get bonfire port so early were they too lazy to design a giant connected world
>why do enemies despawn
>why is my max health fucked
>why is the tracking retarded
>why are there so many meme tier trap kills
>why do I have to fight these mother fucking turtles that kill me in one hit
fucking dropped like a brick
>>336101750
It's not about Dark Souls 3 taking place in the same universe, it's about the blatant rehashing of content. Dark Souls 2 also had its fair share of shitty fanservice but it at least attempted to do its own thing with Vendrick, Aldia, cycles, and the shards of Manus. DS3 takes the pandering to a whole new level however. What does the game have to gain from rehashing the Nexus, Andre, the Maiden In Black/Old Firekeeper, and even Siegward? I'll even let Patches slide since he's more of a series mainstay, but the game itself has no identity.
>>336102034
Git gud.
No,
Dark Souls 2 was very hard on the community
>>336093125
>implying yoda's craving for cookies and ewoks aren't ten times worse than jarjar
>>336093421
BB>Das3>DaS>DeS>Das2
This makes DeS look bad but it's still miles better than Das2
>>336102034
the game was easy, the tracking that poorly attempted to fix backstabbing made it even easier because of it they gave the players an insane amount of iframes in just the normal roll and floaty moves to give the player years to react
how the fuck are you guys so bad at that game? the difficulty was in the pvp not the pve
>>336093815
Some oldfags think the pre-patch experience with bugs is the true Dark Souls experience. Even better if something happens to your save and you need to start again.
>>336093901
>one is an exclusive
<the others are not
Fuck YOU and your stupidity. Can't even apply basic logic.
>>336093901
general population outside of this board would probably have das 3 > das 2 > das 1 > bb > des
>>336088789
>DaS2
>Linear
Nigger what?
>>336089920
>>336089581
>2 optional bosses vs practically every boss in DaS3
>>336088789
>Want to replay DaS2
>Remember adaptability
>Remember the stilted character movement
>Remember the limited enemy spawns
>Remember the "Difficult" enemies
>RememberSoul Memory
if im missing anything let me know
Seeing Dark Souls 2 as equal or superior to any other soulsborne just shows you have very low standards and don't really appreciate the series as anything more than "some hacky slashy RPG".
The PvP was pretty fun though.
>>336103739Majula theme
>>336104431
thatwasn't so bad actually kind of relaxing in a sense
>>336103739
did everyone skip scholar? it's the best dark souls
des and bb with old hunters are way better than any dark souls game
>>336103739
The level design and the ugly texture work are pretty egregious.
That game is hideous, even in the SotFS version.
I don't know what's up with the movement, I really hated it when I tried to play it recently.
Why call it Scholar of the First Sin?
Is that some self-deprecating joke from the devs?
>>336104771
This is pretty much the best reasoning right here.
>>336087518
Absolutely.
This game wasn't DaS1.5 and that pissed off all the people who became die hard fanboys of the game.
DaS2 imo is a much better game than 1.
it's about on par with DaS3 atm.
I hope they fix DaS3 because it's got a massive amount of issues.
Less than DaS2 had on launch, but SotFS DaS2 is equal to current DaS3.
>>336103739
Shockwaves
I've been ignoring these games for years, and I figure it's time to give them a shot. I remember hearing that the PC version of the first one kinda sucked when it came out. What was wrong with it, and have the issues been smoothed out?
>>336105157
As long as you are playing the Scholar Of The First Sin version you should be ok
>>336091076
This will forever and always be the WORST are in ANY souls game. God fucking damn it.
>>336105175
First game. But I've heard that Scholar of the First Sin is better than the original. Haven't researched it much yet, but I'll read about it when I get to it.
>>336105183
Nah. That title goes to Lost Izalith in 1 for literally not being finished.
>>336093084
>there are still people who say das2 pvp was anything more than shit
boy do I love phantom range, massive stunlocks, hexer/smelter havels, floaty shite animations, and soul memory
>>336105359
and yet even on it's terrible release it was still miles ahead of every souls game before it
scholar and BB pvp beat the shit out of any other souls game, too bad the matchmaking system in BB is fucking retarded
>>336105226
Dark Souls 1 PtD edition works on PC buuuuut its capped at 30 and the framrate is all over the place even on really good machines, the default controls are kinda garbage, even with mods it's a bitch to play with MKB
If you haven't touched the games then there is practically no reason for buying DS2 rather than Scholar of the First sin since scholar is basically the GOTY edition that includes all the DLCs. DS2 is capped at 60 has no real performance issues and the MKB controls are perfectly workable, you just have to enable the "double clicking disabled" setting every time you restart because someone thought that was a good way of mapping attacks and it keeps turning on for some godforsaken reason
>>336105612
Isn't DS1 just bad programming?
>>336105241
Duke's Archive is worse than Lost Izalith. The worst area in the series is Harvest Valley.
>>336105525
I really wish 2 had red and blue orbs.
SotFS with a Red Eye Orb and Blue Eye Orb would be the fucking best.
I mean, farming 50 cracked reds and using agape ring with save back ups was effectively the same. I always had full consumables when I decided to go invade with no Soul mem inflation.
Soul Memory + Agape actually made twinking easier. I was massively more powerful than everyone
>>336105359
>bitching about release
Well it's contending with 50% equip load ninjaflips and spell swapping to any weapon for 9000 aoe damage shit.
Ever since people figured out what poise does and how it works you practically never see havels or hexers and pretty much all weapons are locked to 2 hit stun combos at most.
>>336105241
You literally haven't played frigin outskirts if you think that.
>>336105226
Get DSfix.
Das 1 is better.
>>336105832
I finished DaS2 and DaS2 sotfs all bosses.
Frigid Outskirts is fine if you're not a shitter.
>>336105732
Every mistake in every videogame ever is "bad programming" fact is that it runs like shaite, you need a beast of a CPU to force it to run at 60 which causes odd bugs of falling through the world every now and then.
>>336105909
>if you are good enough it doesn't matter
It doesn't work like that. Yeah, I can get through Frigid outskirts fine, but that doesn't mean it isn't the most tedious and boring and unfair area in the entire game.
You can at least just run past everything in Izalith, get the second bonfire so you dont have to deal with dragon asses too, but those fucking horses pursue you relentlessley. It really is painfully tedious. Thats the problem with Das2, not hard, just painfully tedious.
>>336105832
It's understandable to hate Frigid Outskirts, but at least it has atmosphere and some originality.
>>336106083
>unfair
Nigga you are just spouting words at this point, outskirts is dull and the boss run is unreasonably long but there is nothing unfair about it
>>336093485
It literally isn't. And DaS2 didn't have more than 3 enemies in it's gank squads either so this
>not a single encounter where more then 2-3 enmies attack you at once
Can be said about both of the games, except the phrasing goes
>in DaS2 you would sometimes have to fight like 3 enemies at once, what a fucking shit game
>in DaS3 you almost never have to fight more than 3 enemies at once, what a great game
>/v/ trying to pretend 2 was good to dislike the new game to be contrarian
holy fucking kek
>>336092989
>It's not better than Bloodborne
>>336106258
>/v/ trying to pretend 3 was good to avoid buyers remorse
kek
>>336106205
I never even knew there was a boss in that area until now
It was a bit of a let down for sure. Mostly due to shit level designs and a lot of garbage bosses. It's still a "good" game that has some really good levels in it. It lacked that strong direction that tired together past soul games so well.
>>336106383
yeah nice try dipshit
>>336103739
You're forgetting all the good things
>power stancing
>not fucked online
>best pvp balance
>arena
>truckload of content
>name engraved ring objectively superior to the clunky password system
2 is the worst but it did a few things right that, for some reason, didn't carry over to 3.
>>336087518
base game was worst souls game, DLC areas however i enjoyed more than DaS3.
>>336106241
I don't even know why you people bother or who started this fucking meme of "enemy ganks by smaller enemies is baaaaaaaad design" nonsense in the first place.
From Firelink Shrine to Taurus demon in filled with common enemies in the area ganging up on you with literally 3 encounters that are NOT group fights, everything else is with the more annoying ones being the groups where a guy with bombs is sitting back instead of an archer so shields are less useful.
It's some hardcore revisionist history spouted by actual retards or memelords that never touched the games since it's so blatantly false.Next up someone says that "well those are weak enemies alright so it doesn't count" when they easily take 2-4 hits from a brand new character to kill while trying to somehow pretend that alonne keep has super strong enemies.
The level design in DaS2 is so fucking shit.
On the first playthrough you can't find shit.
>>336089280
what about every rat encounter which was a minimum of 4 up to a max of 8 with infinite spawning.
or what about the early game thief jumping fuckwads who gank you the second you walk into the bottom floor of the dark room near the undead settlement.
or those log spear dudes in the swamp that charge at you while you get chased by dogs and giant crabs and those werewolf guys with the cross on their backs?
or those sludge creatures that slowly walk towards you and try to surround you? in several different areas
or any area that had those creatures that curse you into stone with their breath?
or what about the very start of the game when you're on the high walls and all the undead soldiers rush you, sometimes with dogs to assist them?
did you even play ds3? maybe you just dont remember what the game really is like
>>336106763
I can't even begin to explain how much of a fear you must be to have not dealt with those effort the "ganks" happen, the problem with DkS2 is how that's not even an option.
>>336106906
>how much of a fear you must be
what?
>>336106763
>or those sludge creatures that slowly walk towards you and try to surround you? in several different areas
I kek everytime someone would complain about these guys in DaS1 (that one shitty /v/ screencap really)
What the fuck lol come on dude.
>>336106906
>DkS2 is how that's not even an option.
It is, you just never tried.
>>336106763
I can't even begin to explain how much of a retard you must be to have not dealt with those before the "ganks" happen, the problem with DkS2 is how that's not even an option.
>>336107074
Phones, a lack of sleep and posting errors don't mix well.
>>336106906
>>336107095
my biggest complaint is how they just reused them, its so lazy they just reskinned them red for the lava area or purple for the toxic area or black for the dark always night area.
and they aren't even that challenging, they just get in your way because they are always blocking something or right near some other enemies so they trip you up
>Phones, a lack of sleep and posting errors don't mix well
the fuck are you even saying? is this fucking english?
>>336107104
A lot of the time it's a room you walk into that just ends up with multiple enemies aggro'd on you instantly, almost every encounter in 3 puts the enemy in a location where you can pull or kill them before that happens.
>>336087518
>fan community
Nah, it's just /v/
>>336088674
>The online community was almost nonexistent
Nah man, that's straight up lies, the online was a lot more active than DaS1 ever was with dueling, at launch it was impossible to go 3 minutes without getting invaded, which is funny, because DaS3 didn't even come near what DaS2 was at launch.
>>336106906
Do you call DeS DsSs'S too you goddamn ape?
DaS/DaS2/DaS3/DeS no confusion easy to read
DkSs1/DkSs2/DkSs3/DeSs's just looks fucking stupid and never once has there been a non retarded person who uses the Dk shorthand, it's like the pepe drawing in retard posters.
>>336107280
>A lot of the time it's a room you walk into that just ends up with multiple enemies aggro'd on you instantly
Such as?
Dark Souls 2 was a good game on its own but when compared to the other games its just fucking horrendous
It just has so many fundamental issues even in the fucking movement system and how your character feels to use.
WHY DOES DS2 FEEL SO FUCKING SLUGGISH COMPARED TO DS3???
>>336107249
>the fuck are you even saying? is this fucking english?
you are unbelievably stupid
>>336107452
>fucking movement system and how your character feels to use.
You mean for once there was weight and momentum to everything? You didn't just slowly and gently float off of edges and couldn't do 360 spins while swinging a weapon?
Yeah must really suck to get so used to the floatly yet still somehow robotic movement system of 1 that you can't adapt to an infinitely superior system that has actual consequences for mashing R1 into everything.
I always considered DS II to be fairly disappointing, but when they re-worked it with SotFS it really improved.
I dreaded going into Dragon Shrine because it was just a retarded gankfest, but they re-worked it in a way that reflects the PvP in the Dragon Covenant (1v1 dueling). It turned into one of the most memorable areas in a souls game after that staircase duel.
>>336091545
>>336107682
No, I mean the game had ridiculous movement dead zones and the character animations were beyond floaty as fuck.
Dark Souls 1 has weight, Dark Souls 2 feels like a retarded toddler swinging weapons made of foam.
>>336107995
I'm considering getting it now I've finished Dark Souls 3. I'm worried it'll be dead though.
>>336108246
Speaking of dead, has every online player been softbanned yet?
>>336107682
I will never understand how people can ever say Das1 is floaty but Das2 isn't. I really can't. I'm not that guy but there is no point in arguing with someone like you.
>muh momentum
>muh weight
>>336108246
I'd consider it worth it. SotFS that is. By far it's the longest of all the souls games with all the DLC and areas you can go to.
If you haven't checked out bloodborne, definitely go do that. Especially now that they added the DLC and fixed the loading screens.
Guys can we at least all agree on the DLC bosses being pretty awesome. Fume Knight, Sir Allone, Old Ivory King, Aava, and Sinh are all top tier fights.
>>336088789
>>336108682
Out of all of them, Sinh was the easiest. But yes, all of those bosses were awesome.
>>336107995
Too bad the boss at the end of it was one of the worst in the game.
Kalameet was the only dragon fight they ever got right
>>336108682
Yeah they were the most exciting and memorable part of the game
>>336108753
It was a shit fight, but it's optional and not necessary to progress the game.
>Die to Aged Smelter Demon
>Have to make that run back through Iron passage
That was the most exhilarating and frustrating part of that DLC.
>>336087518
No, if anything they're too lax. You can see a shitload of "it's not that bad" posts. The game is complete shit compared to every other Soulsborne title. The entire thing feels like some Chinese imitation, not a product from the same company.
>>336108682
Only DS2 apologists even bothered with playing the DLC so I'm sure they will agree with you.
>>336109306
>Only people who gave the game a chance played the DLC
Good, cause they're the only opinions that matter.
>>336107995
What's with this awful bloom and everything being brown as fuck? Are you using some ENB?
