>Kill dozens of dozens of baddies as you progress through the level
>"Surrounded" by 5 grunts and taken into custody at the ending cutscene
>Player character wrecks face in gameplay
>Absolute fucking wimp in cutscenes
i never know how to participate in these threads because i always skip cutscenes and pointless shit like that
>Nathan Drake kills 90+ enemies in 1 level
>bad guy holds up single hand gun to him
>"Woah there" he says raising his hands and surrendering.
Its even worse in rpgs.
>Cloud kills fucking gods, Tifa punches Kaiju size monster and kills it
>Turks surround them
>hurr lets give up
>Sephiroth's attack literally destroy's planets
>killed by a red dog
>using sexual assault rifle with .69 caliber bullets for most of the game
>using glock in cutscenes
>That one fight in Mother 3 when the band helps you defeat a group of enemies
>There were only 3 left
>Even the enemy description says there was only 10 of them
>kill hundreds if not thousands of cops
>get bullied by 2 for the entire game
>If you lose to a boss it's game over
>if you beat that boss, a cutscene follows where he counter attacks you and beats the shit out of you, but then the game progresses
For what purpose?
>>334348139
>can't use a phoenix down on aeris
Stupid as fuck desu. Just another reason why FFVII is a total pile of shit
>>334348139
>>334348796
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-pAMCwleLA
Its even more embarrassing because they did a death scene way better just two games previous.
>"don't use his name in public"
>thirty seconds later
>"RIGHT BASCH?"
Is Vaan the stupidest RPG character of all time?
>>334349008
That was pretty great. Music was especially nice/I've only ever played VII, XII and VIII and XII is one of my favourite games and the other two were just meh. I also really like Chrono Trigger. Would I like V?
>>334347561
is that basch's face when he realized he was paased up as the main character for pussybitch vaan?
>playing through battles you get badly injured by enemies the size of dragons, but are ok after a potion or cure.
>in game cutscene, your character gets badly injured by a story villain that's human sized; has to stay in bed for days and temporarily leaves party.
>>334348796
It raises from knock out not death familio
>>334348796
Haven't phoenix downs always been described to revive someone from "KO" status?
>>334349627
As if he, Ashe and Balthier weren't acting main plot characters anyway.
Vaan was just the posterboy
>>334349008
>"did a death scene way better just two games previous"
>posts video of some shitlord keking it out by having Galuf shoot himself.
>>334349731
>getting asploded in a supernova only KOs you but a sword is dead to the deader dead dead maximum dead
How I perceive ti
The main character just was super lucky and skilled through out the games, you actually don't get hit all that much and you getting surrounded is what actually happened in the story.
Kind of like the prince of persia, wait that didn't happen.
Is Yiazmat the most tedious superboss?
I can't think of a more tedious one.
>>334347908
>the game has unskippable cutscenes
>>334349725
>>334349731
>the only difference between KO and death is the specific happenstance in that one cutscene
I understand the "reasoning", it's still fucking dumb.
>Grand Theft Auto
>character always gets "BUSTED" by police in gameplay
>Murder all of them in cut scene
>>334347561
>"catch him!!"
>the enemies make no attempt to take you alive
When are they releasing the complete HD version? They are doing it right? And for fuck sake release some Yakuza games too.
Because consistancy would be awful.
If you got surrounded in and game overed in a non stealth game you'd be peeved.
Sure they could amp it up and say like 500 grunts or something were surrounding you and that would actually kill you Kind of like half life 1 or something.
>>334349890
he's the worst, but every FF needs a pointless autism test
>Characters get planets smashed on their heads in combat all the time
>Heal spell fixes everything
>Character is stabbed in a cutscene
>"Oh no my healing magic isn't strong enough, we need the Medicine of Plot Convenience™"
>>334350051
>main character is caught doing something wrong
>wait If I just tell them what really happened they would understand
>stop before I do anything illegal and don't even arm myself
>police or the equivolent shoot me immediantly
I try this in way too many games
>>334350105
>HD version?
They never announced that they were even doing one
People just want it
>Exterminate legions of super soldier with expert precision and literal martial arts kicks.
>Supposed to be scared of a little girl who can close doors suddenly.
Can you guess?
>>334350334
Weeaboo dating sim
>>334350331
Can't believe an hd version is still not out. FF 12 really could use it to bring out those gorgeous graphics
>>334350317
>character gets attacked by the litteral embodyment of death constantly
>Is litterally immune to getting shot
>gets shot
>There is litteral magic that can bring people back to life, it's LITTERALLY jesus essense or the equivolent
>oh shit hes dieing
>welp now hes dead
Not only does the guy that shoots them get away, but hes a reacurring boss that you fight, and he also shoots three of your friends
>>334349825
Yeah I guess, but only in games where the enemies actually want you dead. I know some games change their dialogue to show that you've attempted a fight before.
In Jrpg's I just assume that any fight where you have to run is a loss because if you're KO'd they'd probably kill/sodomize you.
>>334350481
Graphics are fine, I just want a version without hellishly compressed audio.
>>334349761
Balthier is the leading man, didn't you hear him?
>>334347561
>unbeatable boss
>no forewarning
>all rare items lost in last ditch effort to win
>those games that don't give them back
>>334349890
Absolute Virtue is the Absolute Worst.
>>334350481
I'm sure it will come sooner or later. Most of the main series Final Fantasy games are on Steam, and I assume the sell fairly well there.
I would love to see X and XII come to Steam, but I guess it takes a while to port them and everything
>>334349761
>Vaan was just the posterboy
can we please stop shitting on Vaan?
he's an alright protag. at least much better than that Last Remnant faggot.
also, post your party.
>Vaan: Breaker
>Penelo: White Mage
>Balthier: Black Mage
>Fran: Uhlan
>Ashe: Archer
>Basch: Samurai
really viable group but I want to fit Knight somewhere in as well. I picked archer for Ashe instead because they got Cura and Raise spells.
>>334350334
>Same abilities
>Gets raped by a lightweight bitch in a cutscene
wew
>>334350317
Fucking Chrono Cross
>>334350676
Yeah but the reverse is best
>nigh unbeatable boss
>game even tells you that
>use all of your items to fight them
>just barely scrape by, it's almost like the devs gave you just enough items for this fight
>no items left
>A surprise final final boss
>main character realises it's hopeless and there are no options
>takes the boss out with him
>>334350495
What game? Sounds vaguely like Persona 3 but not quite.
>>334350760
I play the normal version, because forcing limitations of the license board on yourself is pretty stupid to be honest
>>334350318
>gta iv
>point gun at police
>armed standoff until you start shooting or run away
>point gun at ped
>puts their hands up and surrenders
>fist fight in the street
>peds watch
>gta v
>point gun at police
>police immedeately open fire even if they're outgunned or in the open
>point gun at ped
>scream and run away
>fist fight in the street
>peds scream and run like you just opened fire with a machine gun
gta v was such a dissapointment
>>334350760
I generally used Balthier, Fran, and Ashe as my primary party.
I gave Ashe a Deathbringer and a shield, Fran had a Zodiac Spear, and Balthier had Masamune.
>>334350872
It was persona 3
You can become immune to getting shot and your party members use litteral deity powers. They were even in the dark hour every single time, Hell they even acknowledge the powers of life giving in cutscenes and use it to resurrect junpei.
>>334350898
no, it isn't. it has its advantages and was a godsend for me.
I played the normal version before and fucked up all the characters. you have to make everyone completely different or you stand no chance against some of the harder bosses.
you lack the gotta go fast button too and that game needs it.
>>334350318
>wait If I just tell them what really happened they would understand
Has a game ever actually done this.
Even in cutscene, like has the villain and hero just talked it out BEFORE it was too late?
>>334347561
>boss has fuckton of HP and all these fucking amazing skills
>boss joins your party
>suddenly shit HP and no skills
>>334350992
so you didn't even use Vaan, Penelo and Basch?
>>334351095
>I played the normal version before and fucked up all the characters. you have to make everyone completely different or you stand no chance against some of the harder bosses.
Well that's not the game's fault man
If you can't figure out how to balance an RPG party, that's your own problem
>>334349568
Try out Tactics. Same world as FFXII and same feel stylistically at least.
I like XII the best too. It really is a unique beast.
>>334351208
>hurrdurr
you're a rude prick. fuck off.
I can't quite remember, but wasn't it possible to grind Rex to ridiculously high levels in that opening battle segment?
>>334351169
As my secondary party, yeah. But I had them equipped identically to my primary party.
Spear, Sword & Shield, Katana.
>>334351325
>this post
>>334350760
Vaan- Healer/DMG
Basch- Pure DMG, often just berserked
Ashe- Healer/ Buffer
Other 3 I would rotate in, use their limit breaker things and summons, and then bring in my main party for the real battle.
>>334350992
>Balthier, Fran, Ashe
My nigga.
>>334351332
moar?
Maybe it's just me, but I loved the monster designs in XII. Fucking beautiful, especially the Reaper type. And the lore behind them was great. It only needed tonberries.
I wish people made more porn of FF12's monsters.
>>334351110
I think in mafia2 you could be pulled over by police and actually pay a ticket instead of being arrested or starting a shootout
>>334351641
XII was the best game in every aspect.
>fighting boss
>8000 HP
>boss joins team after fight
>500 HP
>>334351332
>grind Rex
but why?
>>334349328
Well, he's not the smartest. Aside from literal "too-dumb-to-lives", it's hard to gauge. By that time we approach Nissa Revane levels of stupid
>Members join your party at level 1 no matter how far into the game you are
>>334351208
The IZJS license boards had more specialization than FF12 vanilla. In IZJS a breaker might have like 8 battle lores instead of the 6 you had in vanilla or w/e. Also too many goddamn weapons were fucking useless in 12 vanilla, and there was a clearly right way to make every char, so IZJS actually forces you to use different characters, weapons, and playstyles, and buffs them into being actually useful.
Not to mention IZJS is better or the same in every other fucking way
>>334350760
>samurai basch
but he has no magic
>>334349761
I always thought it took the approach of being every character's story.
Except Penelo, who got bored at a shop and decided to fight governments and monsters for... why? Cause she and Vaan grew up as urchins in a tiny spithole of a kingdom?
>>334351641
It and VIII had the best direction/art in the series. XV seems to have top tier monster designs as well.
>>334351332
it's possible to grind Vaan before other characters join. During the part where you only have vaan, other chars get all the JP he gets, and when they eventually join they join 1 or 2 levels higher than him (depending on char). Of course this is pointless because by the time you need to grind you have much better places to do it, but it makes the early game easy
>>334352146
IMO, tactics advance had great art direction (aside from Marche's concept art).
>have made a career of killing gods
>get myself captured by a bunch of glorified sellswords in gay coats because "muh Sultana"
>>334349902
It would have been neat if it was optional. Like, unless you were zonked with grief, you think to use the item and she lives again, maybe with repercussions or someting
>>334352008
>forces you to use different characters, weapons, and playstyles
it also means that there will always be magics, weapons, and armor that are completely unavailable to use regardless of what party classes you pick
I don't see the appeal of locking yourself out of shit
>>334352223
Almost like you're allowing people to play the game.
>>334351332
>>334351784
>>334352152
Just looked it up, looks like level 48 is the highest anyone has gotten Reks to reach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uouVQe1YIsw
Also the FF7 version, reaching level 99 at the first bombing mission, these people are fucking weird:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOM8xYUTgn4
>>334352238
replay value? Once you got like tournesol or zodiac spear or masamune there was literally no reason to use other weapons in vanilla, now there's 12 best weapons instead of 3.
And which characters you have available will affect how you approach the entire game. Maybe one boss is easy when you spam break, in original game. Now you might not even have a character who has break. You have to figure out how each character tackles a boss instead of just grinding for the relevant skills.
>>334351325
Just because he's 100% correct doesn't mean you've got to waffle around to defend yourself. Just acknowledge you work better with a limitation, loads of people do
>>334352065
Penelo really has nothing else to do but help out Vaan.
Funny thing, I just beat FFVII and man, nearly half of that game's cast feels like the should not be there.
Yuffie, Cid, Vincent, and Cait Sith seem to follow Cloud purely out of boredom.
>>334351468
>Vaan - Tank
>Basch - Damage Dealer
>Ashe - Healer/Buffer
Didn't everyone do this? I didn't see a reason to do anything else as i didn't know what the fuck to do with the other three as Fran is awful, Penelo peaks late and Balthier I dunno.
Those three were generally the best at what they did and just so happened to syngergise the best. Only time I would bring in the other three would be to heal the main party if they got wiped.
Probably because he believed Ondore's lies.
>>334350760
Vaan iscute,but that's all he's got going for him.
>Vaan - Monk
>Penelo - Archer
>Balthier - Machinist
>Fran - White Mage
>Basch - Samurai
>Ashe - Red Mage
It's far from optimal, I know. In fact, Balthier is a terrible fucking machinist, ironically enough, but my autism prevents me from giving him anything else.
Also, reminder that Gabranth did literally nothing wrong.
>>334352664
Gabranth had a hard life.
Man, the voice acting was so fucking great.
So is this getting remastered or not?
>>334349893
>you think it'll have a prompt when you press a button confirming skip
>it doesn't and just skips the scene
>>334352727
yes, and given XV's combat.
>>334352612
That's often the case with JRPGs. The moment the initial cast expands to include some more members, party dynamics go to shit and half of the party then serves no story purpose whatsoever.
>Jim Raynor proves himself as a competent and charismatic leader in SC/BW
>Comes back in SC2 with zero tactical knowledge, entire strategy is "keep shooting until it dies," sacrifices the lives of thousands or even millions of people because 'muh sarah'
>Entire ship mutinies because Tychus calls him out on it
>Entire ship IMMEDIATELY takes his side again because he had a slap fight with Tychus and somehow manages to beat him in full powered armor despite having shown zero fighting ability outside of his own powered suit
But let's no delve too deeply into the utter retarded SC2 is composed of, like
>Forms a full invasion force to board an imperial-class ship, murdering numerous people along the way
>The guy on the ship wanted them to come and yet still posted guards and a retaliation force
>>334352727
They're making a new game and slapping FF7 on the cover because it will be loosely based on the PSX game.
>>334352716
I'd actually argue that he's one of the series' better antagonists, if only because he actually had a reasonable motive for opposing the party, unlike so many others (bent on destruction for destruction's sake).
>>334350334
Ffvi? I'm now playing the one on the GBA for the first time.
>>334352896
Yeah. I think that Venat was a really good antag too for that reason. He has a pretty good reason for doing what he does. Vayne is a total cock though.
>>334352796
It's not so much about using the whole party as it is about picking the style you want.
Everyone in FF7 had some degree of utility, though. Cid/Barret/Cloud was the best team for outright killing everything, Yuffie was great for endgame morphing, Cait Sith could one-shot the bonus bosses if you were good at the slots, Red XIII had a great magic stat, and Tifa had the highest speed.
Vincent's the only person I've never really found a use for. I'm honestly amazed that he got his own game when he's the blandest member of the cast gameplay-wise and has the least legitimate backstory.
>>334352796
FFVI honestly handled it pretty well, hours into that game and even your 11th and 12th party member at least feels like the have a purpose and reason to be fighting alongside Terra and co.
Sort of helps that FFVI's plot was a lot more focused and clear.
>>334351957
>steal superfast vehicle
>suddenly its super slow
>>334350760
That wasn't shitting on Vaan; but yeah, he is a good foil to Ashe.
>>334353021
>tfw I didn't even get Vincent in my play through
Literally not even a character in my "canon" of the game's events.
>>334353025
>The Wildboy and the Yeti
>Relevant
>>334353279
Oh look, it's another shitter who doesn't realize that Gau is the best character in the game.
>>334352968
Vayne did absolutely nothing wrong. The whole initial conflict was basically Cuban Missile Crisis with extra jerkass gods.
>>334353420
I'm not saying Vayne is wrong. He's not wrong, just an asshole.
Venat was the hero we needed though.
>>334353390
I personally liked a party with Shadow, Relm, Mog and the wind god himself, Gau.
>>334353508
cute.
>>334350760
In fairness, Last Remnant guy is basically a parody with how stupid he is
>playing an MMO
>NPCs give you quests to commit what is essentially genocide for 12 gold
>>334349328
>Vaan realizes that Fran is much older than her appearance implies
>Curious, he asks how old she really is since Viera are apparently more long-lived than Humes
>UGH
>WAY TO GO
>SEXIST
>>334353741
I think it's pretty stupid how quickly the tone jumps between treating Vaan like a naive kid who has a lot to learn, and a grown adult who insists on making stupid decisions.
I hate FF12 because everyone sounds fine except Vaan and Penelo. Their voice acting sounds like it was recorded in a bathroom stall during the last week of development.
>>334352727
>will square remaster the best FF game and the only one that would really actually benefit from being in HD
it will probably never happen
>>334352664
>>334350760
>Samurai Basch
u dum fuk
Samurai's damage is based on Magick
Ashe makes the best Samurai. Penelo is best as a Black Mage
Balthier I made a hunter/shikari because Ninja blades work really well with him, and they're really good in international (they're gotten earlier, have higher attack, and don't necessarily have an element attached to them so they're not all Dark)
>>334353870
The all sounded like that. You realise how much space VO takes up right? FF12 had probably the best textures ever seen in a PS2 game, the audio was probably compressed out the shithole and had a reverb effect put on so it didn't sound like total ass
>>334348501
>we're watching you, Carl
>>334353997
This. Really they probably should have just used 2 discs, but it would have been a problem with the open aspect, plus costs on their end.
>slaughtered hundreds of high-level enemies while eating bullets and grenades
>gets knocked out by a blow to the head
>>334354084
never talk to me or my gang's son ever again!
>>334349890
If I remember correctly, finding holy was a pain in the ass
Tried killing yiazmat, got my shit recked in. Got a few bars down, then he spammed 1 hit ko moves, what should I try? I'm gonna beat this boss.
>>334353032
>beat super hard boss
>pssh, guess I'll join you kid
>his stats are the second worst in the party
>>334350760
Penelo: Samurai
Ashe: Caster
Basch: Knight
>>334349890
it was basically the ultimate gambit test
>>334350317
>character gets diabetes
>regular insulin can't fix it
>>334352612
Cid was sticking it to the man by fighting against Shinra, who fucked with his dreams.
Cait Sith was a Shinra spy, who began to like the people he was spying on and teamed up with them in the end.
Vincent and Yuffie were both optional characters that really weren't as invested as everyone else, though Vincent's ex-girlfriend did give birth to Sephiroth and he can't get over being cucked by Hojo.
Penelo is...she has less reason to be in the crew than Yuffie, who wants to get tonnes of materia to take back to Wutai.
>bunch of grunts try to take you hostage
>your character fucking demolishes them if you're evil
>goes along with them if you're good
>>334352664
Gabranth did plenty wrong. Doesn't make him a bad person though.
>>334354616
Fucking up his twin brother with the enemy was irredeemable IMO.
>>334350334
FEAR
>>334354721
You're probably right. Blood is thicker than water, can't imagine how retarded you have to be to fuck up your own broher like that WILLINGLY.
>>334354573
Pity no games have ever done this though
>>334348139
Uncharted biggest sin in this regard is having Drake get constantly peppered with bullets and being a-okay in game play but then everyone acting surprised and him being on the verge of death after one bullet in a cutscene.
>>334350334
except your guns do nothing to her
>>334354968
devs justified it as "luck"
apparently drake doesn't actually get hit by the bullets
the greyer/redder the screen gets, the more his luck is running out
or something
>>334354968
I think it's ok in uncharted's case, the game is quite self aware.
There's a recurring mini-boss enemy in uncharted 3 that you seem to kill about 5 times, drake even comments on it. It's in reference to thebig guythat plays several different villan henchmen in the course of the indiana jones movies.
>>334355150
but there's blood splatter when you get hit
>>334355256
when drake gets hit? i didn't think there was. i could be wrong.
>>334354721
>>334354818
>literally abandoned by his brother as a child so he could go play at being a knight
>as their home fell to Archadia, no less
>Gabranth was in the wrong
>>334353470
How was he an asshole? He was only doing what he needed to do in order to save his brother, fuck up the asshole gods, and reform his country. He also succeeded.
>>334355379
I don't think there's any when Drake himself takes damage. Only for the killing blow, the enemies, and in multiplayer.
>Enter boss fight
>Get fucking destroyed on second turn
>"Oh it's a supposed to lose fight"
>it wasn't
>>334354324
the most important thing is his HP is retained between fights so don't try to kill him all in one go.
Bubble belts are essential, and he's week to dark so get the best ninja swords you can, or masaume+genji gauntlets.
Did FF12 have the smallest cast of characters?
Only 6 party members, felt a bit underwhelming compared to previous games
>>334355809
FFV, /v/'s favorite FF, only has 5, and one of them basically replaces another one. FF3 remake only has 4 chars I think, and FF10 only had 6.
>>334355809
Good thing they are some of the best in the series.
>>334351032
Well there's a difference between fighting shadows with your pesona and fighting a dude with a real gun.
None of the persona characters had super human strength and speed until the arena series where they became fucking monsters.
>>334352008
>having the choice to use any weapon you wanted to for varieties sakes means that the weapons were useless because you can just go for the DPS
Whew lad. Challenge yourself.
![metal-gear-peace-walker-snake-eater-0828-01-1280x725[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SuDl9CI.jpg "metal-gear-peace-walker-snake-eater-0828-01-1280x725[1].jpg")
>>334348240
>uses same assault rifle in all cutscenes
>threatens tanks with it
>threatens helicopters with it
>threatens building-sized mecha with it
>>334352731
>Has cutscenes that can be paused
>Never find out just in case "Start" skips the cutscene
>>334355809
>No Bangaa
>No Moogles
>Not even a not-Ronso
>Just a Amazon in a Playboy Outfit
I even would have accepted a Seeq...maybe.
>>334355809
Technically you had 3 guest characters that were pretty important in their own right.
>>334356038
>IZJS
>mages have WAY more magic because more magic lores
>canes do way more damage
>the damage cap is removed in IZJS
>there's less emphasis on using high combo weapons like ninja swords and katanas
>a bunch of new weapons are added that are all the strongest in the game
>but you need them because all the bosses are harder
FF12 vanilla is piss easy to break, if I wanted to challenge myself I would just play the harder game.
>>334356071
>Solid canonically beat every boss non-lethally with CQC and tranq darts
>But kills them in the cutscene anyways because he's a vindictive bitch.
>>334353032
>City-Escape-Act-2.webm
>>334356225
IZJS again doesn't let you play with all the classes, and there's no way to job switch or respec. It's fucking flawed. I don't care how much they balanced the individual classes if they didn't balance the entire game around having classes.
>>334353032
>That webm
I think I saw this movie once.
TURBO button is the best thing to happen to FF12. Holy shit I managed to finish up to the empire capital town in <10 hours played
GOTTA GO FAST
![latest[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XhCweOr.jpg "latest[2].jpg")
>>334356173
FF12's greatest mistake was no playable Bangaahusbando
>>334356294
They balanced all the classes to be able to fight the enemies/bosses. There's no difference between balancing jobs to fight enemies and balancing enemies to fight jobs.
>>334356404
IMO my actual favorite change was making chests respawn from one screen transition instead of 3, that or just ramping up the difficulty and making all gambits available for purchase immediately
>still no good stealing gambit
I just ran enemy HP = 100% > steal, but it was shitty cuz if the steal failed my other party members would hit the enemy and then the thief guy would just start attacking too. There's no good way to steal from enemies until you get something, then start attacking.
>>334356589
I meant balancing the game around the fact that there are jobs now so that players can maybe switch jobs for fun and variety like in FFV
