Dropped a cool Purple.
Grim Dawn thread.
>>345456487
wuts this...
>>345456696
It's a ARPG, a "sequel" to Titan Quest. Same devs but different company.
It's a static world where you kill stuff to get loot to kill stuff.
Really fun, one of the best of the genre.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/219990/
>>345456487
Jelly, I've been farming Elite and Ultimate for the past 4 hours and haven't got a single legendary.
I've never been so unlucky in this game.
gib will'o wisp
>>345457795
Yeah the Will O Wisp is the only Kickstarter reward I've been using. The beer is literally a negative and the costume and Wig is far from pretty for me.
It's my second Legendary since I got into Elite.
Is this shit a mustard exclusive?
>>345458452
Yes, it's only on PC with no plan for a Console release.
Why even bother
Working toward the 100% Retribution damage bonus.
>>345458589
Bummer, my PC is currently incapacitated. Definitely going to try it out once I get it repaired. I'm assuming path of exile is also PC exclusive, it looks pretty dope too. I've been itching to get into one of these style games as of late. Diablo 2 was one of my favorite games ever back in the day, haven't played one throughly since. I was gonna try Diablo 3 but it's still 60 fucking dollarydews on PSN. Redonkulous desu
>tfw no pure fire dmg shield
I just want a cool ass fire shield to go with my grenadier commando build, is that too much to ask? I really don't want to wield a book while chucking molotovs everywhere for maximum incineration.
>>345459078
Yeah Path of Exile is pretty dope too. Grim dawn is more of a "solo" or Friend group type of game, where Path of Exile is more open online like Diablo 2 online was.
Dont bother with Diablo 3 unless you buy the Expansion.
I always get about 3 hours in, get unsatisfied with my build, then question the point of it all as I don't know if there's a continuous endgame (a la Diablo 3) and I can't convince any of my friends to play with me so I stop for 4 months or so.....
I made it (again)!
>>345459030
Are making a retaliation build? I might have something for you.
>>345459348
Well I'm mostly doing a Tank build right now. But Double retribution damage is pretty great to pass out.
>>345459348
I like retaliation build. All you have to do is outheal boss damages.
>>345459415
Woops, looks like it was nerfed.
Too bad, would have been a pretty amazing ring for retal build.
>>345459845
Yeah, it's still pretty okay, but for a green. The old one was great for a Purple.
POST LEGENDARIES
TRADE LEGENDARIES
>>345460679
Just killed Krieg and got a Legendary that is worst than the one I just got for my build. Feel bad man
>was debating between playing this or Ori and the Blind Forest
>see a thread up for this
Guess I'll play through a bit of this. Finally got my Primal Striker fucker-upper to 75 so I got to equipped dat STORMSEEKER and now weep when no other Ultos set pieces drop.Fuck trading with people on the forums
Rate this game for someone who never played it on a scale of 1-10, where Diablo 2 is considered a 9.
Who /hardcore/ here?
>>345460845
Maybe that Cold melee guy earlier in the thread could use it.
>>345460970
Depends, where would you put PoE on there?
>>345460970
Well depend, Diablo 2 WAS a 9/10, but right now it's more a 6-7/10
Grim Dawn is probably a 8
>>345460970
I never played D2 myself so take this with a grain of salt but Grim Dawn is easily the best ARPG of its genre on the market right now, as far as current games go.
>>345456982
>same devs of titan quest
sold
>>345461015
I would not mind trading it, but I'm in a inuit village with crappy internet for work, so if he want's it we could try it, but no promess that I will be able to connect.
Is that anon who needs a Terror blueprint here?
>>345461345
It's the same skill system too, with another Devotion system in the back for more tuning.
Darker theme too.
Instead of Greek Mythology, it's now a mix of Lovecraft and Dark Steampunk
>>345461015
>>345461373
I'm fine, I already got those pants but nothing's better than Legplates of Valor for HC.
You can't trade between SC and HC, thanks anyway.
>>345461167
Probably a 6 for me.
I wonder what the expansion will add to the table. Maybe go the Aetherian plane with 1 or 2 classes?
Mite b cool.
>>345462338
I just finished that part on Ultimate.
Necromancer or ranged weapon class.
>>345462446
Necromancer could be cool. In Titan Quest they added the Dream class that could mix with everything pretty easily. I wonder if they will do the same here.
>>345462626
They already said they'll do a ranged weapons class. Even though Soldier and Demo already work rather well with both pistols and rifles. Meh.
I want an Aetherial shapeshifting class that turns into various monstrosities and a Chaos based Bloodsworn class that can summon a Harbinger and upgrade it/equip it with items.
>>345462871
Shapeshifter class would be fucking cool.
Anybody need any of this?
>>345456487
Is this game available on toasters?
>>345463348
It's really not that demanding.
I've started playing from scratch again a few days back, since the last time I played it was a lot of versions before.
Going for a Demo-Occultist gunslinger build. So far I've mostly put my points into buffs and passives, but that's getting real boring at this point so I'm gonna start putting points into Flashbang and other active skills.
Also, my feet are on fire.
>>345463453
I have one of those in Ultimate. It's fun but glass cannon like a motherfucker.
>>345463348
Depends what you mean by toaster, my old laptop that had intel 4000 graphics had trouble getting above 20fps at absolute minimum
>>345463534
So far the only thing that managed to actually be "dangerous" to me (as in, I had to use potions) was Salazar in the Depraved Sanctuary, but then again Veteran isn't really hard to begin with, especially this early on. I guess I'll just see where it goes. I'm not playing HC on this character so being a glass cannon isn't as much of a liability.
>>345463842
Me either but it can still be annoying sometimes in certain situations.
>>345462626
Dream was OP as fuck.
>>345464387
It was. Now they could nerf it at least.
>can make a bunch of Mythicals
>but nothing you actually need
>>345461702
The game is an improvement on Titan Quest, but damn I miss TQ's setting. And the fact it has more classes I guess.
Devotion system is great though.
>>345456982
I could never get into Titan Quest, or Torchlight, or Diablo 2, or Path of Exile. How do I acquire this taste?
>>345462871
>They already said they'll do a ranged weapons class.
Source. Necromancer sounds perfect because the game lacks a pure ice based caster and ice spells would fit a Necromancer.
>>345464697
by not being mexican
>>345464697
Accept that maybe some genres just aren't for you, and play things you do enjoy instead.
Just reinstalled this, had it for a long time since early access but never played it once they added act 3.
Kinda want to find someone to play coop with but they'd probably go too fast for me, anyone wanna play hardcore and take it slow?
>>345464697
You don't. For a genre that's so popular it's a strangely niche concept.
>>345464697
Well it's really a matter of taste. The ARPG genre is loot based. This mean that if you dont like the idea of farming to get better items fun, then you just wont like the games.
The game is totally RNG based too, so you have no guarantee to ever get what you want.
this game is fuckin trash dont even bother
>epic start to drop at around 50
>real game starts at hardest diff wich is unlocked when you complet the game 2 times first
>shit game play where half of your skills is based on auto atack procs
gl trying to have fun
>>345464780
>game lacks a pure ice based caster
I have one. A variation on the classic TSS build with maxed out OFF/TSS/Wind Devil. Not the biggest single target dps but it absolutely shreds anything else with stuff falling from the sky constantly.
>>345464937
Legendaries drop at 50. Purples are Legendaries, Epic are Blues.
I bet this is your first ARPG?
>>345456487
Is there seasons for this game? If not no buy, I only play hardcore seasonal since D2, only thing that makes arpg worth it.
>>345465168
No season.They add new content from time to time and there will be an expansion "soon tm" (probably 1-2 years)
It's a full campaign though. It's not just Adventure mode from D3.
>>345465124
Sometimes legendaries drop lower than 50, or on 50+ mobs, I guess.
>>345464978
Is the ice damage portion of Wind Devil really worth mentioning though?
>>345464837
http://steamcommunity.com/id/nayenezgani/
Hit me up.
>>345465293
Yeah I mean the game looks great but what the fuck were they thinking not releasing a seasonal ladder. What the fuck. D3 is better then, climbing the ladder in d3 is just as fun as 2 and I was the top 10 barb for like 3 months and got to 52 g rift solo. ARPGs need that shit for replayablity and growing communities.
>>345464837
http://steamcommunity.com/id/straussaka?tscn=1468354704
I'm down for it. Don't have much experience with hardcore tho but whatever
>>345465359
Well it slows and reduces their resistances so yes. The whole Wind Devil line is great.
>>345465590
You play for yourself. It's mostly a solo game where you coop from time to time.
You dont need to see you are the 17392 in the world to have fun.
>>345465726
All arpgs are basically the same, D2 would never have gotten as big as it did with ladders. Without ladders ARPGs are mindless as fuck where you can't see just how good you are at builds and playing with one life compared to other players. It's a great feeling to be in the top 10 of hardcore ladder with over 100k people in your same class.
Are there any good mods out?
I played through hardest difficulty with one char, but it never actually felt fun, so I continued playing TQ.
>>345465872
You should probably play Path of Exile then.
>Soldier/Arcanist Blade Arc build.
Y/N?
>>345465934
I used too, I don't like the build variety where it looks complex in the beginning but really everyone picks the same core skills and only a handful of paths are viable. It has the same complexity when you really break it down as D3 but with less fluid combat.
>>345466283
It's really far more complex than D3. But hey, that's your taste.
>>345466283
>It has the same complexity when you really break it down as D3
>>345466270
Aether based melee build? Could work with Temporal Arcblade. Always wanted to try that weapon but I thought I'd do it with a Callidor's Tempest build.
>>345466521
>>345466441
Think about ladders and how builds are utilized in the top tier hardcore players. Everyone picks the same skills, you have your aoe ability, your escape, melee spam, and the passives are generally the same to which there is only 3 viable paths for each class in order to actually be good at the game.
Sure there are more builds, but those are all garbage when you can be playing actual efficient and viable builds. Literally the same as D3 with the amount of builds available.
>>345466913
>efficient and viable builds
You don't know what either of those words mean.
>>345466859
I thought about Callidor's Tempest, but I prefer melee builds tocaster builds, thematically speaking.
>>345466913
Really not. Path of Exile has full custom builds. D3 is literally 24 skills with 4 passives.
Everybody using the same cookie cutter build does not mean that it's all there is. People use the same decks in Magic too but you CAN do more complex and weird builds.
>>345467036
Yes I do, I was top 15 when ladders were first introduced. I played templar and the only thing that was truly viable was stacking auras and auto attacking, without that you could not survive some rooms with the monster affixes, I know this is fixed now but the point still stands that all classes have 3 viable paths with multiple skills being used in between all of them, and that goes for passives as well. When it comes down to it, PoE is feigning complexity and has horrible combat. The only notable amazing thing that it has over d3 is maps, but that isn't a big pull in the game especially with the RNG with slotting and how annoying it can get. D3 with the new patches and the cube and the g rifts gives it that boost to where D3 is actually a better game than PoE at this point.
>>345467203
But I play hardcore seasonal in all ARPGs, those builds are for softcore babies who want to pretend that their build is fun or unique when in reality they are inefficient trash. Softcore players are the worst.
>>345466913
>the part of the thread where somebody comes in and posts blatant lies.
>>345467057
I think Callidor's Tempest is mainly melee as the skill itself is an aoe.
>>345467057
Well Callidor's is basically melee. Even has that weapon dmg component for life steal.
>>345467319
>>345467331
Yeah that's why I specified thematically speaking, not mechanically.
>>345467303
Look, I know you love to overcompensate for other stuff, but people having fun is all that count. Of course people wont risk shit in Hardcore ladders, because they just go with the cookie cutter deck because they know it's the cheap way up. They know it works and so they dont want to try anything else, otherwise they might fail and crash.
But really, stop complaining that other people have more fun than you.
>>345459078
PoE is excellent, better than GD imo. But both are fun.
>>345467469
I have a great time in hardcore seasonals, the fact that you can lose everything in an instant makes you make builds yourself that could become cookie cutter if you are good enough. Softcore is a fucking snoozefest and I guarantee noone has more fun in softcore than hardcore players due to the sheer intensity of what is at stake. And hardcore players when they die? Do they go back to softcore? No they make a new character and that fact makes ARPGs a blast to play on hardcore. I mean seriously softcore is so fucking boring, there is nothing at stake and you are mindlessly dieing over and over again while not achieving anything. It really is mindless when you break it down.
>>345467469
come on son, give it a rest. The guys right and you know it.
>>345464697
Honestly you don't. It really is a you hate it or love it genre. Not everyone likes to be a korean farmer in these games and it's okay. I enjoy grinding to get better gear so I can get even better gear.
I'm glad games like PoE came out to show that it's not a dying genre and made Blizzard rethink what they did with D3
>>345467684
Look. Just because I play other games than Path of Exile and dont want to risk never finished the game because I died from some random thing, does not mean I have no fun.
You might need that adrenaline, but I dont. I dont go to the Casino either and bet all my money on 10 black . It would give me more adrenaline, but I dont. Because I value my time.
I understand the appeal of Hardcore but for me, who has a library of over 1300 games to play, spending 60 hours on a character who dies because the server lagged or because some guy had reflect on him and I critted, does not mean I have no fun in Softcore.
Also, it does not mean that D3 has more builds than Path of Exile. That's just stupid.
>>345467713
Not the guy you replied to, but he isn't. I'm not going to go into an argument, because it always ends up being circular and goes nowhere, but maximum efficiency isn't a requirement for a build to be viable. Just because the top 10 players use 3 builds, doesn't mean they're the only viable ones.
>>345463139
is any of that a ranged legendary 2h thats good for shaman on hc?
>>345468032
>hc
Sorry.
>>345467993
>server lagged
>reflect ever killing you
Dude I hear the same argument time and time again from softcore players, you guys are like a broken record. First of all playing hardcore does not mean that you have a lot of time in your hands, the fact is that people that play hardcore have lives and losing a character does not mean time lost. In fact it's more fun because you have to get better and think about why your build failed. Server lagging in PoE is an old meme so please stop spreading disinfo, desync is a thing of the past. D3 does have more builds in PoE when you really look at what is viable for each class and what the top players are always using. In softcore in D3 you can also pick retarded builds to have "fun" but it doesn't change the fact that those are still shit and the same goes for PoE.
Softcore is for faggots and hardcore players in any ARPG will always call you out for it because you are a pussy too afraid to lose pixels so you miss out on the fun of the game without really learning the mechanics and mindlessly grinding forever. It's fucking boring, deal with it.
>>345468273
>>345460970
An 8. It could be higher if they fixed some minor perf issues
>>345468401
Ok? He immediately admitted after that that he wasn't paying attention or else he would've never died. Kripp is top tier or was at PoE so really it doesn't matter that he did died, it's a rare occurrence if you are paying attention.
>>345468032
This is the best 2h ranged for shaman, look for the mats then hit me up on steam after I'm done eating and I'll craft one for you.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Krageesh/
>>345468008
Yeah, agreed. however that verry much goes for both games. Which puts diablo miles ahead anyways.
>>345468504
Look, you obviously have a problem with other people liking what you dont like. So I'll just ignore you now.
Grow up.
>>345468273
What the top players are always using has no indication on the amount of viable builds.
Viable doesn't mean the best, it doesn't even mean efficient. An incredibly slow, but very safe dual totem build is technically speaking viable. Stop using viable when you mean incredibly good.
Also how many builds does each class in Diablo 3 really have for high level GRs or whatever the fuck it is that people run now.
>>345456487
How does it compare to D2.
Every time I have the ARPG itch and try a new ARPG I usually end up switching over to D2.
>>345468646
Nice way of conceding the argument. Get good my friend and actually start having fun at the game. Guaranteed you have never tried hardcore.
>>345468717
Three builds for each class, same as PoE. I even made a boulder build with one of the sets that noone used and I was 6th on the leaderboards for a while.
>>345468743
It's better than D2, but it's also different. It's not procedurally generated like Diablo 2.
>>345468641
I'll agree the day Barbarians in Diablo 3 can pick up a bow to throws traps that explode into a fire arrow or anything as remotely interesting as that.
Diablo 3 is a fun little ARPG to play for 3-4 days before you're done with your build and you drop it for a few months, but it doesn't have anywhere near the build variety or staying power that PoE has. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of content these guys are shitting out.
>>345468559
>Bestest weapon
>Adds numbers, but to different elements to other weps so thats diverse. D2 said it was didnt it?
>>345469253
What are you trying to say?
>>345469238
Play hardcore and actually learn D3, it is just as complex as PoE with better combat, it's not even a difference, the combat is why D3 is the better ARPG. You could make the argument in the beginning that D3 was trash. It was, but now it is a lot better.
Again the variety of builds for PoE is the same as D3 if you break it down to builds that are top tier. The orb system for skill selection in PoE is feigning complexity that is nowhere near the level of D2 at all.
>>345469238
But swaping green orbs with high crit for purple icycles with high attack speed doesnt sound like variety.
Sides, D3 has better player retention and more and more time spend every season, given at launch people were able to spend hundreds of hours in factually broken game, that doesnt seem like 3-4 days of fun. But everyone is free to have fun wherever one likes.
>>345468559
well uh. guess nevermind on that. just died on hc rip
>>345469515
Iam saing that weapon is boring as shit, and does fuck all for any sort of variety or depth.
>>345469672
It's a grim dawn thread, you might want to go discuss with the Path of Exile General.
>>>/vg/148825683
I wanted to link the Diablo 3 General, but there is none.
>>345469875
Grim dawn doesn't have seasonal ladders, it's trash that will never be a popular or complex game. It's garbage.
>>345469774
ouch
>>345456487
>trash mobs
>trash mobs
>4 hours later
>more trash mobs
>literally impossible to die
>do a random sidequest
>fuckhuge overleveled mob gets you back to main storyline
>game literally tells you it gets good at lvl 50
>zounds of trash mobs later
>reach lvl 50
>nothing changes
also it's ugly
arpgs are dead; nothing good is in development.I would still play it if it wasn't so painfully ugly game
>>345469843
>Give you a skill, and boost all your skills by 2 points.
It's as good as the best items in Diablo 2.
>>345469943
Ok. Then, just go play a game with Seasonal ladders if you dont like the fact that the game does not have one.
I mean, you obviously dont intend to play the game and never had. So why even bother trying to claim it's bad when you never played it?
>>345469875
Grim dawn, right. These guys have red fireballs swapable for silver bullets right?
sorry i got it wrong
>>345470208
did you make a thread with this exact content early?
>>345469547
I've never played D3 on softcore outside of the beta I think and I've never played the full game pre expansion. Ever since PoE I don't tend to play ARPGs on softcore.
If by orbs you mean gems than it is quite a bit more complex than the system of Diablo 2. Diablo 2 complexity came with runewords and awesome uniques not the base skills themselves. Builds in D2 are mostly, pick really good skill and level every other skill that improves it + some passives and a utility spell maybe.
>>345469672
People spend thousands of hours playing an objectively shitty MMO called WoW. People like to spend a ridiculous amount of hours on shitty Blizzard games. Doesn't actually prove anything. Honesty if I wasn't too lazy I could have gone on the PoE forums by now and shown you a ridiculous amount of "viable" build some of which are incredibly cool and not "I'll just use the skill that this set boosts"
>>345469774
>>345470283
yeah
>>345462338
Literally *teleports behind you* tier writing.
>>345470245
This isn't even an actual Diablo 2 item
Some modded horse shit
>>345465872
D2 got big due to skinner box mechanics and Pavlovian reflex that it ingrained in people playing it over and over again. CS:GO, TF 2, Dota 2, Hearthstone... all these games are clones of Diablo 2.
>>345470245
Oh i am actually suggesting Diablo 2 items are boring as shit too, bit better, but well no the skills are fucked there so it evens out at no interesting interactions at all. In D2 PoE or GD.
>>345470589
>Diablo 2 items were boring as shit too
D2 had great itemization that enabled some creative stuff to be done with it.
>>345470589
Ok. So for you, a good item look like this? Just Set pieces that says what skill you are supposed to play?
My only gripe so far with this game is that all the gear that has been dropping is of no use for my warder no matter how much i farm bosses and stuff, it's quite frustrating.
Whats a great dual guns/wizard build?
What's the point in playing Grim Dawn without AoE?
Because they thought someone enjoys clicking 10x more? Would be curious for someone to explain this design of AoE VS melee.
>>345470795
As much as I love sets in ARPGs. I can understand GGG not having them in PoE. They're a death knell to variety in the gear that players use and to build variety.
>>345470795
Now post kanai's cube and the legendary affixes you can put on legendaries.
>>345470340
But WoW is good. :)
It is a well though out platform to spend time with friends, as most blizz games are. Would be why, people spend thousands of hours playing them. Does actually prove something. Fairly easy to see, when not in denial.
I dont think youre using the word complexity correctly. I think what you ment is cumbersome :)
>>345470889
I have Melee AOE.
>>345459315
>reaper of souls rated higher than fucking hellfire
kill yourself
>>345471007
Yeah, sets in Grim dawn are pretty good for that. Just give + to some skills
But in Path of Exile they really want to leave the exploration open and not lock playstyles.
You see a cool item, you can make a viable build around it. That's what is cool around it.
>>345471127
Okay, I'm talking about the incentive to play non AoE melee when you design other skills this way.
>>345456487
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
WHY DO YOU HAVE TO REIGNITE MY PASSION FOR D2 CLONES AGAIN?
>>345459315
>reaper of souls
0.50 rupees have been deposited into your account
>>345470795
as long as you have many sets, and many skill variations to suport these suggested skills which the set supporst more then you can actually use. and still not make them viable on its own but with addition of multiple interesting and overlaping interactions. Yea, that sounds like diversity and complexity.
>No randomized levels in your ARPG
>>345471127
This looks like a fun build.
Also, anybody knows what's the best 2h melee weapon for an electric shaman?
>>345471171
Bruh. Hellfire was a broken pile of Moo. Added 1 (or 2 others broken unfinished classes)
Added potions that broke the game by making you able to boost stats.
Added 1 4 level dungeon and one small other 3 level dungeon.
Like 3-4 quests.
The Cow armor.
And that was it.
Reaper of Souls added a lot more to the game and made the game really enjoyable.
I still play D1 with Hellfire for the new items, but I dont buy potions from the kid. Played a Barbarian last time, and it's totally broken. No mana but +1% resistance for every level you gain? AND you can equip two two handed weapons?
>>345470747
Post a single interesting item with creative interaction. With like anything in the game.
>>345471068
Every MMO is a "well thought out platform to spend time with friends" whatever the fuck that means and the only thing it proves is that people are retarded and an appeal to popularity isn't an argument.
Again Diablo 2's skill system isn't complex, it never has been. I'm playing Diablo 2 right now, started 2 days ago. It's the itemization that's incredible in D2.
Speaking of denial. WoW is and has been shit for over a decade.
>>345471484
I'm mostly a Tank Soldier/Shaman. I charge in the middle of groups, drop my Totem and I just AOE and AOE until everything dies. It's pretty fun.
>>345471240
I dont really know. You could probably one shot more stuff without AOE?
>>345471574
You'll have to play the game and see for yourself.
>>345471484
Probably Ultos' Stormseeker.
>>345471617
aperently every MMO isnt, otherwise every MMO would do just what WoW did, but they dont. Becouse they aint. and "well thought out platform to spend time with friends" what would that mean, basically a "fun game" what else silly :)
Would you care to explain how D2 itemization is incredible, i played it although i admit less than 50 hours and tried to get back to it many times but i would sincierly be interested in what you find interesting.
>>345471736
I did but turns out its boring. Perhaps id try again, if you showed me a single interesting interaction in the game. Ive been told theres a lot of them, and complex too.
>>345472232
Nice, i just checked and yeah is exactly what i'm looking for, thanks.
>>345472312
>>345472312
Diablo 2 has items that single-handedly create entire builds and other MMOs did try to do what WoW did and because of that WoW is directly responsible for the downfall of MMOs.
WoW used to be good, now it's shit.
Are you supposed to be underleveled all the time?
It's not too hard, but it's annoying as fuck to always get loot that's above your level.
>>345472562
Well if you clear everything you should be pretty much the same level. But yeah, it's pretty common in ARPG to be underleveled and get items too high for you.
>>345472441
The reason why I won't show anything to you is because you showed me the fundamental misunderstanding of how builds in Diablo 2 work. Every single one is centered around itemization. It's the core difference between D2 and Jay Wilson's DIII.
>>345472508
Yea, thats the point, other games create builds by combining the interactions of several items. Interesting phenomena known as complexity.
>>345472490
you might wanna take a class on graph reading.
Becouse whatever it is youre trying to say, you dont know how that graph works, like, at all.
>>345472656
I clear everything, and over 50% of my worthwhile loot is 2-4 levels above me, which means they usually get stashed away and forgotten.
>>345468916
it's good but nothing is better than D2 if you ignore the graphics
>>345464697
Honestly if you can't after all of that I don't see you ever getting into it, but if you want just one last game to try, pirate one of the FATE games, really barebones as it comes with no classes and the only skills are magic based or weapon profencies, so you don't have to worry about fucking up builds
>>345472704
Educate me sempai. Pretty certain I know how they work. Pretty certain still they are boring.
Not sure how is it centered around itemization when the items dont do anything.
>>345464697
You play Diablo 3.
>>345473252
D2 has worst gameplay than Grim Dawn and a lot of other problems.
>>345472905
I totally do. WoW has a large part of the market, but the other games still have a nice portion of the market. Even if WoW had 65% of the market at some points, it's still hundreds of thousands of other players for the other games.
Can't wait to unlock the Abomination devotion
and assign it to my Arcanist Chaos Ray.
Which are the most fun devotions?
>>345473505
D2 had some problems but it hit the jackpot on so many things it's not even funny, from badass and diverse character classes to itemization that's the best in the business (both static and randomly generated at that)
I don't even think we'll ever see anything like it becaue creating it must've been pure luck
>>345473934
Not really luck.
Diablo 2 was really not that good without Lords of Destruction, which added the runes, doubled the stash size and added much needed items like the Etherals and ect.
A lot of it is also Nostalgia. The game has really big issues, but since you played it since the start, you dont really care. But a newcomer coming and playing Diablo 2 right now will have a hard time.
The skill system is really not intuitive for example.
>>345473648
Oh so your point was, that many people find wow fun. Gotcha.
>>345473675
I found the Blind Sage to be pretty great. At least on my PRM build.
>>345474247
No. The point is that other games exist beside WoW.
>>345474348
Yes. Many games exist. Seems undeniable. Good Job.
Still turns out WoW is pretty fun.
>>345474216
nah, I play D2 from time to time and a modern remake would be easily top of the game, the amount of design that goes into a game like this is easily underestimated but you could write a book about it
skill system not intuitive? are you serious? cast a curse and click on a corpse for it to explode
>>345473326
http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Wolfhowl
>>345474827
That's the problem. 1 Skill at the time. Or have shortcuts without seeing the skill itself.
>>345473934
What made D2 great is the art design and the sound design and the lore. Otherwise PoE would be the better game.
>>345474958
okay I think we have a problem with you barely knowing the game, whatever
>>345475047
I played it at release. I know the game. I played through it multiple time. Same with Diablo 1.
The game is 18 years old. It has TONS of problems with movement, skills, netcode, resolutions, replayability.
It's a great game, but it's a old game.
>>345475010
PoE had some amazing ideas like its currency system but passive node forest and pretty uninspired skill design make sure I quickly get tired of it each time I pick it up
still a great game but can't agree lore and art/sound are its only problems
>>345467643
>PoE is excellent
lel
>>345474958
>>345475229
the whole idea is you have skill for each mouse button and you swap them at will, there's nothing unintuitive about it unless you want to play it with your grandmother
not exactly sure what are you nitpicking in some of those but I have no doubt D2 without desynch and with modern graphics would be amazing
>>345474908
So.. IF Iam reading this right, and if not just tell me. But this gives you, like. +15-45% bonus to some skills right like 3 of them, unless a barb.
And like, do those skills like get enhanced or changed in some way by something else? So, you would need some synergy, or is it jsut stat stacking. becouse maybe i dont get it but jizzing out from having skill lvl 9 with like 200% increase in dmg from other rando items, just doesnt seem like meaningfull at all. It just seemed like you got an item that told ya what ya gonna be doing big numeros with. Which would be same as in D3 except for where to make a single skill work youd need several item interactions, instead of +6
But if iam wrong please correct me, id really like to understand, clearly i dont.
>>345475782
You need to play the game to know what skills do and if you don't understand that items in Diablo 2 aren't viewed solely through damage scaling like in D3 and how it makes all the difference I can't help you further. Good luck soldier.
>>345475328
>passive node forest
git gud
>>345456487
hot i came on my chair
>>345476029
git healthnode
Thankfully this game doesn't have that retarded as shit stat "magic find" from the Diablo series, and you can always wear your best gear and still get drops.
>>345476261
it doesn't but magic find was awesome
>>345475760
If you have more than 2 skills it's highly unpractical. Some builds in D2 required you to have 4-6 or even 8 skills This meant having shortcuts for them, not seeing them in a bar or whatever, and have to learn the shortcuts, who are not rebindable.
D2 is not the best ARPG for the same reason Super Mario bros is not the best platformer.
>>345476516
can't agree at all but enjoy your console-in-mind 6 slot D3 bar I guess
>>345476516
>not seeing them in a bar or whatever, and have to learn the shortcuts, who are not rebindable.
Truly the real hardcore experience right here. Come the fuck on anon.
>>345476516
>learn the shortcuts, who are not rebindabl
just mouse over a skill and press a fucking button
Anyone have a Deviltongue for trade?
>>345476715
It's really not that great today. But hey, it's the nostalgia filled game everybody, including me, love so hey.
Post current characters
>>345476516
>who are not rebindable
Holy shit anon
>>345477164
>>345476978
Been a while since I played D2 (replayed D2 before D3 came out).
Still, all the other points stand. It's old and dated. The ideas are still great, but it's far from the best ARPG out there.
>>345477129
WTT for Deviltongue, I'll tongue your bung
also have regular legendaries for trade
Is this supposed to happen?
>>345477512
Double skills? Nice. They are extremely rare, but yeah.
>>345477512
Yea there's a small chance, pretty cool desu
What's the best sword and board build? And best ranged build? I've been playing a demolitionist with grenade and that was really fun, but because I wasn't going off of any builds and just doing it myself, I'm sure I could have done better.
For sword and board, I was playing a warder build. I was doing good until I wasn't paying attention to my health and managed to slip up and die (HC). Kinda felt bummed out after losing the character and haven't built one since. Any recommendations?
What type of damage does a block build go well with?
>>345459030
How stupid of me would it be to get both Menhir AND Empyrion as a fire striking commando tank?
>>345477129
>not Mark the Mint Man
>>345477347
I have one of those too.
Friendly reminder to invest in physique.
>>345476015
Well, those particular skills, in the item you linked, make you leftclick better. like they add health, defense, and make your attack lifesteal more and more. Which, is like. ummm a simple boring aura. Basically you attack a mob, and this item makes the mob die more, and you die less.
I am trying to understand so hard. But that item has no gameplay, it would be exactly as much fun of and item if it were a spreadsheet doc.
It gives bonuses, doesnt create gameplay.
It encumbers systems, not gives them complexity.
Basically, items in D2 limit you, becouse they are not interconected.
The best will be the best, verry mathematicaly so. While in D3 item can be either statistically or mechanicaly wise superior. Shame stast have been slowly pushed aside over the years.
>>345478242
Yeah I got 2 Havocs as my first 2 legendaries, but getting a second deviltongue has been fucking impossible
>>345478105
>didn't even have buffs on
Oops. Not like it's a huge difference, though.
>>345477846
>>345478037
DoTs or reflect for sure
Acid/Poison witchblade using perdition + venomlash
>>345478397
I'm running Deviltongue + Exterminus myself. Don't care for 2deviltongue.
>>345478451
>have so much poison gear
>haven't leveled my poison alt at all
>>345468504
baker was better than kripp i guess? he was world first lvl 100 on hardcore.
its really sad kripp stopped playing poe, i really liked his poe content, heartstone is just meh.
>>345476945
Its not hardcore becouse the interface is not shit?
Get this straight shitstain, you would not be able to do shit if the interface and general movement/ combat systems were as shit as they are in D2
>>345478451
Thanks. I'll look into it. The reflect build looks interesting.
>>345478242
I didn't know dual pistols could do so much damage. I always just used a rifle.
>>345478586
It's pretty fun, with dots being in such a strong place.
Plus Dreeg(Nurgle) is the best chaos god
>>345478924
It's fun. Fast attacks and I do about ~36k dps myself.
>>345479041
One day. If I had every alt at around level 30-40, I think I'd play them more often.
>>345468559
>2-1,8k lightning damage on proc
Nice RNG
It's actually silly that such a strong build is based around a pair of green vendor weapons of all things
I want to kill the avatar of mogdrogen, stuck up cunt, nobody talks down to me. How do I build a character that'd bend him over a barrel and show him the fifty states before he could sneer?
>>345456487
>physical damage
Why do all the chaos legos need to be physical/magical hybrids? Where's my pure chaos legendary set, Crate? I had hope with the Hidden path update but you betrayed me.
>>345480251
Mogdrogen is really something else. The build im currently playing >>345479992 can apparently kill him even in ultimate with some tweaks though.
Basically the thing about mogdrogen is that if you wanna solo him you need top damage, lifesteal, health, basically everything plus your ass so full of lightning resist that you can eat car batteries as a midday snack since he does a shitton of lightning damage and reduces your lightning resist by 130% in ultimate.
>>345480251
Isnt he pratically invincible? Even if you have a level 70 character he's still rough if you go back to Normal.
I like the Old Arkovia and Broken Hills revamp but I feel like the threat of Cronley's Gang is strongly mitigated now with the new story structure.
can someone post good shield builds with nice damage if possible? i want to try something new but i dont have anything in my mind.
>>345480848
>shield builds with nice damage
>>345480848
Lightning warder sword&board with Skybreach Bulwark.
>>345480964
i d rather have skills / classes that the build is around instead of weapons. i am going for a soldier right now but i dont know what to take as secondary, shaman maybe?
also what skills to get as soldier?
What's the combat like? Looking into this game and wondering if I should get it. With all those spells is it clunky as fuck or what?
http://grimcalc.com/build/FjME0xO
rate my build and recommend me where to go next.
also hows torchlight 2,bought it years ago on a humble bundle but never bothered to get into it.
I heard they were working on some "endgame content" or something like that, what's the news about this?
I might try out the game when they add that stuff.
>just got a Malediction recipe drop
Maybe I should level muh poison thing after all.
>>345481348
I had a very similiar build that went for soldier as second class. Incredibly tanky with 16k+ health and still decent lightning damage.
Also heart of the wild is a blessing in that build
>>345481465
There is gonna be a piece of content dlc sometime this summer which adds a survival mode called the crucible
http://www.grimdawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41903
>fighting a boss
>Blitz him off a ledge so he has to run back up
NEAT
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Did anyone ever get Kilrian's Skullbreaker to drop? I have like 500 hours in the game and I can't remember ever seeing one. I need that crap for a Herald of Blazing Ends but farming Kilrian sucks dick.
I feel like Path of Exile does it way better atmospheric wise, especially with the new act and labyrinth that they recently added. I got 600 hours out of a free game, 10x more than diablo 3.
>>345481756
i was thinking of going more elemental damage oriented is it a good idea or i will get rekt on later difficulties if i don't get tanky enough?
also what should i aim to get in devotion?
tempest was a no brainer but now im kinda lost and don't know what to aim for,going to get the kraken but after this i have no idea.
>>345481756
That sounds really awesome, will have to try out this game. The reason I've never touched this game is because I feared the "endgame" would get quite dull.
>>345482106
This music plays when you enter this area, fits it perfectly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMalSKJ39jM
>>345456487
hey OP, your screens look really good
I've been kinda interested in this game
I love diablo 1 and 2, torchlight and all those games, but I found titan quest kinda boring
will I enjoy grim dawn?
>>345482106
i tried to get into poe a few times but always got overwhelmed and cock blocked by the passive tree.
is it even possible to not completely fuck up as a new player or i should just be a shiter and look for builds online?
>>345482663
it's stupid to min/max
just plan your build around items that drop
>>345482663
In PoE there is like 2-3 builds that's 1000x times better than everything else that everyone uses.
This thread made me buy Grim Dawn, downloading now :3
Hey Cold melee guy, do you need a Deathmarked Claw?
>got a job
>killed my neet lifestyle
>like videogames less and less
>recently became neet again
>love rekindles
>no money now
E T E R N A L
S U F F E R I N G
>>345482159
http://grimcalc.com/build/VXCRdvb
This is what my build looked like by the end.
It actually was extremely close to the primal strike warder that is on the grimdawn forum build compendium, so I ended up doing basically the exact same thing as that guy did.
>>345482789
That's true for your first one or maybe two characters, after getting a decent amount of purples from those two I personally started looking into some minmax builds since I wanted to kill mogdrogen on at least Elite
>>345483516
if you want to minmax then you need to start gambling and that's the downfall of every arpg
>>345483709
What exactly do you mean with gambling
What's Shaman like to play and what's good class synergy with him?
Is it wise to go all physical on magic users like you did with VIT in Diablo 2 on everyone?
>>345483814
i mean that you can't reliably get good stats without rerolls and path of exile is designed around skinner box / pavlovian reflex even to a greater amount that diablo 2 was.
>maybe this time i'll get that epic stat rise on this stick
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