GSC is the worst Pokemon generation
What makes an RPG good? Replay value. The game should be replayable countless times to be good, so that each time you could take a different path and face the same tasks with different resources.
In this regard, Gold/Silver (Crystal to a lesser extent) are an absolute failure.
Look how convenient RBY was - you had all the resources in the world to make almost any Pokemon usable. Thunderbolt? It's yours right after the 3rd gym. Ice Beam? Travel to Celadon and you can get one. Need a powerful ground-type attack? Dig is available after talking to Bill. You can try out anything with sufficient success, and you can replay the game countless times to try all sorts of things.
Then we have the disaster that is GSC, where only like half a dozen are good. The special split makes guys like Hypno and Tentacruel barely worth using anymore. And what the special split doesn't achieve, horrible movepools and lack of TMs greatly help. Most decent Pokemon need to wait until, like, lv. 50 to learn a great move, if they even learn it.
The problem of lacklustre movepools is generally resolved with the help of TMs. You have Surf, Shadow Ball, a really watered down Dig and... Oh hey, that's about it. Your replacement for good first gen TMs like Psychic and Rock Slide are now the Goldenrod shop TMs - the three elemental punches and Headbutt, which are way weaker than what you had at your disposal in generation 1.
If something doesn't have the anatomy to use punches (bye bye Haunter, you're now useless), it's as good as worthless.
Some may say that you can still use anything because stats make Pokemon good, not moves, for in-game purposes. Well, enjoy using Growlithe, Shellder and Weepinbell whom you can't even evolve until you beat the elite four Champion. Those are some hot stats right there.
You like eeveelutions? Oh look, you can only get 2 of them, and they're barely usable.
Really, let's take a look at what actually works for the main part of the game:
The legendaries (even though Raikou has trouble attacking due to having no Thunderbolt/Thunderpunch access, and Entei has to wait until lv. 51 to get Flamethrower)
Typhlosion (Ember until lv. 31 is one horrible joke)
Feraligatr (water/ice is good coverage)
Red Gyarados (gets no physical STAB but sweeps those annoying Rockets anyway)
Raticate (Hyper Fang destroys everything earlygame, and you could train it further and make it your Shadow Ball user for Will or something)
Mareep (gets two elemental punches after evolving just once)
Kadabra (triple punches and naturally learnt Psychic at lv. 38 make him a beast)
Sudowoodo (actually learns Rock Slide unlike a certain somebody known as Graveler)
Graveler (good typing and Magnitude is passable until you learn Earthquake or find the TM - whichever happens first - you never know)
Miltank (STAB on Normal attacks, Shadow Ball, can survive strong attacks too)
Tauros (good stats all around, STAB on Normal attacks)
Magmar (learns Flamethrower early and can Thunderpunch things for coverage as soon as you catch it, unlike you, Quilava, you poor excuse for a fire starter)
Nidoking/Nidoqueen (excellent coverage with elemental punches)
...and some late guests like Lapras and Jynx (who needs serious grinding to catch up with the party's levels).
If you want to use anything else... you must be deliberately making the game harder for yourself.
So many good Pokemon screwed up by being limited to moves with 5 PP and terrible accuracy when trained to their peak.
>>345410520
>>345410541
>>345410520
>>345410541
You're saying things that are incorrect.
>>345411113
they're all objectively true though
GSC is so shit that you can't even catch a fucking PIDGEY until you beat the elite 4
>>345410520
>>345410541
>caring this much
>typing a wall of shit
>>345411241
>>345410520
>>345410541
I love it, it is like reading through an insane person blog.
I bet Op's "friends" hide his pills as a joke, this is gold.
>>345410520
>>345410541
>>345411241
>>345411241
>you can't even catch a fucking PIDGEY until you beat the elite 4
>catchable in route 29, literally the first route of the game.
ok
>>345411603
>>345411612
nice photoshop. fucking nigger.
>>345410541
>>345410520
You know damn well no one will read all that shit. Not even greentexted.
>>345411797
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pidgey_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Game_locations
Anti-Gen 1 and Gen 2 babbies are the worst.
Nigga I am not reading through all of that.
Shit thread and shit blog.24
>>345410520
GSC is shit though. The progression is all wrong. It's good until you get to Goldenrod, but then things start to fall apart. The gyms are too easy, and all the pokemon you encounter are too common to be worth your time. You're still fighting trainers with fucking lvl 17 Rattatas late in the game. So by the time you get to the Elite 4 you need to grind a bunch, which you never really had to do in earlier generations since there were so many trainers to fight.
The big city is too early in the game, which means all the items the big mart sells become worthless really fast.
The Kanto region is a nice bonus but it feels kind of empty and pointless by that point. And it doesn't make sense that you can only catch some of the newer Pokemon there when you've already basically beaten the game.
Post girls
>>345410541
>Raikou
>using thunderpunch
Anon...
>>345412289
No one gives a shit
>>345410541
>Pointing out Ember at lv31
>When you already have the superior Flamewheel in the early teens
Check my 6, it probably won't be but this thread is shit who cares
>>345412289
>earlier generations
>"s"
>>345410520
>caring about TMs at all
Way to complain about shit that has nothing to do with anything, much less replay value.
>>345410541
You missed quite a few other decent options like Ursaring, Octillery and Lanturn. Also Espeon's stats are ridiculous enough so that Psybeam hits hard enough without Psychic, should carry you through the pokemon league pretty cleanly.
>You can try out anything with sufficient success, and you can replay the game countless times to try all sorts of things.
But that's only because RBY was rediculously easy compared to GSC. Anything worked because most of the challenges thrown at the player were cakewalks, with one or two exceptions.
I really need to go through these pics again
When I was a retarded eight year old, I ran through Silver with a my pidgeot and a very underleveled feraligatr.
It's not exactly hard.
>>345412719
but RBY is infinitely harder than GSC
the elite 4 is way more powerful
Anyone wanna throw some names for me to post
Ah yes, RBY was my all time fav because of the solid game mechanics that made sense
>>345412863
Sabrina/Natsume
>>345412853
The movesets sucked dick though.
But Haunter CAN use elemental punches
Its been 16 fuckin years but i DISTINCTLY remember Haunter having a punch attack
>>345412649
Umbreon was so fucking shit
Erika.
OP DID SOMEONE HURT YOU
>>345410520
>What makes an RPG good? Replay value. The game should be replayable countless times to be good, so that each time you could take a different path and face the same tasks with different resources.
The only RPGs with replay value are a couple old Square games and I guess Pokemon. I can think of at least five RPGs I thought were fantastic but have no desire to replay ever.
>>345412964
are you that fag from those other threads that complains about the old/new designs?
>>345412939
YEAH
well Slugma is a Jhoto that can't actually ever really be found in Jhoto
>>345410520
>What makes an RPG good? Replay value.
lol no
what makes a good RPG is if the growth of the game is consistent all the way through
not spiking up or lowing in difficulty through game
>>345413180
Not him, but I also don't like the new design. However, I appreciate your efforts regardless.
>>345412939
>if you kill someone with hyper beam you don't have to recharge
it works like this in GSC too
>>345410520
game is fun
>>345413385
a few points of the list made it into the second gen unfortunately
>>345410520
>What makes an RPG good? Replay value.
You are wrong.
>>345411797
Now you have revealed yourself as the baitpoating faggot that you are. Please never make a thread again.
Post yfw you didnt back mn9
>>345410520
too bad gen 1,2 has the best pokes
>>345410520
Exactly OP exactly. The problem is these generation one haters hate it mostly because these fags are super obsessed with "balance" in their game. As a single player game R/B/Y are fantastic. As you also put it, some pokemon are fucking useless. Why ever use defensive pokemon unless you are actually playing against players?
>>345410520
Fuck off, faggot. Gen 2 is best gen.
>>345410520
>starting your entire argument on a false premise
epic
Veran is best Zelda
>>345413991
god tier taste
>>345412939
Somebody should do one of this for every game/gen.
Just show how utterly incompetent GF is and how stupid that image is
>>345413991
>Gen 2
>not B&W2
none of the Dragon Quest games really have that much replay value and they're all good. OP is a faggot
>>345414353
>anything past Gen 2
>>345410520
>Replay value
Stopped reason there
>>345410520
>>345410520
When the games are piss easy none of thos shit matters, but GSC does have really nice atmosphere and comfy music, as well as introducing a fuck ton of new content and gameplay mechanics.
So kindly fuck yourself with a cactus.
>>345410520
Meh, there is definitely some truth to this. I know it's pissing everyone off, but Johto alone, as a region, is REALLY weak. The games are so good becasue of the huge extra game in Kanto. I'd say that makes up for Johto's weakness, but yeah, up to that point, it starts super fucking slow, with the most powerful pokemon in the elite four being fucking level 50. After you beat the elite four you go to Kanto where the first seven gym leaders have no pokemon higher than that and are easy as all freaking hell.
Based Red and Green battles, and huge double regions, I'd argue makes up for that slow and easy.
>>345410520
I would derail this thread with a roller but I don't feel like getting b& for a day. Here's the consolation prize.
>>345414407
go back to GO
>>345410520
I would agreee with you, but then XYORAS came out. 6th Gen did introduce a good amount of QoL improvements but i bet half of them wont even come back, and everything else suffered from it, from the music, to the pokemon cries, to the balance of the actual game, and others.
>>345415778
checked and shreked
dat off by 1
>>345410520
>What makes an RPG good? Replay value.
Bullshit. That's only one of the things that make an RPG good.
>>345412546
It's worth pointing out considering how much fags on here shit on gen1 and glorify gen2 as the greatest thing man has ever made when it is far from that good.
>>345413239
It's silly how many people think slugma is actually a hoenn mon
>>345416328
ban
>>345410520
nice bait anon, i will give you a reply :^)
>>345417205
>>345412289
ok OP, we get it. you hate gen 2
no need to samefag harder
>>345410520
Pokemon games aren't RPGs.
>JRPGs
>replay value
Top hyuck
>>345417719
Not the OP fag. You people just need to be told how shit your shitty opinions are sometimes because this board needs balance. A lot of what OP said isn't just opinion but actual fact.
>>345410520
>>345410541
>>345418101
>opinion is a fact
stop it OP, you're embarrassing yourself
>>345418095
>
>>345410520
>What makes an RPG good? Replay value.
>>345410520
Worst thing gsc did was the shit level scaling. Because Ecuratek city served as a crossroad the game had to be design in case the player went the wrong way, So everything left and right of that city have the same general levels. So then when you complete both paths to get get to 8th badge town your like 10-15 levels higher than any opponent from that point on.
Then you get to E4 and they're weak as fuck, so then you go to Kanto and Nintendo in their infinite wisdom decided to make the wild pokemon of the Kanto the same as in rby and in some cases weaker. Oh and the trainers pokemon levels are building off from where you left off just before the E4, except that since Kanto is just one big crossroad they all have the same leveled pokemon.Remakes fixed the trainers levels, but did nothing for the wild pokemon. Literally one step forward and two steps back
>>345410520
>you had all the resources in the world to make almost any Pokemon usable
GSC added a bunch of new TMs to slap on your pokemon and gave almost every previously existing pokemon a much better move set. You can still make whatever the fuck team you want.
>The special split makes guys like Hypno and Tentacruel barely worth using anymore
Some pokemon have better base stats than others. It was the same way in the first game. Plus GSC added the option of hatching a perfect mon and being able to train it in whatever stats you wanted.
>horrible movepools and lack of TMs
Almost every pokemon from gen 1 received a much better move pool and the number of TMs almost doubled.
>bye bye Haunter, you're now useless
He is literally better in every conceivable way in GSC. If you are going to make up bullshit, at least make stuff up that can't be proven false in a 5 second google search.
>Growlithe, Shellder and Weepinbell whom you can't even evolve until you beat the elite four Champion
Going all out on this being wrong thing huh? Crystal gives you infinite elemental stones for free from a few trainers you beat way before the E4. Its not the games fault you can't read.
>>345410541
>You can only get 2 eveelutions
You can get 5 and all of them are usable
>Entei has to wait until lv. 51 to get Flamethrower
Wow, you mean like every other fire type? Amazing.
Flame wheel at level 31
There are no physical water moves until gen 4 you fucking idiot
Magnitude is significantly better than rock slide
>late guests like lapras
Lapras is in the rock tunnel right at the start of the game
My team was cyndaquil, togepi, machop, kadabra, poliwag, and electabuzz and i beat the game no problem.
If you are going to shit post at least put some fucking effort into it.
Name a gen with a more consistent level scaling and usable pool of Pokemon
>you can't
Remakes disappointed me, though. Something felt off about them
>>345410520
>>345410541
Bait aside, the final battle against Red was massively disappointing. All of his pokemon were weak as shit and the entire sequence felt flat and lifeless since Red had no dialogue for beating/losing to him.
Best rom hack I can play on my phone?
>>345412781
I ran through most of Silver with an overleveled Fearow and a very underleveled Meganium. Made it all the way to Red. You're a cool guy,
>>345419915
Black 2. Even had a harder difficulty option if you wanted even higher levels on trainers and gyms
>>345419932
>All of his pokemon were weak as shit
>level 81
I'm sure you strolled right in after the E4 without grinding at all and beat him first try.
>Why didn't the silent protagonist say a bunch of stuff at me
Gee, I wonder.
>>345412781
>>345420161
No you didn't. Waterfall.
>>345420298
Literally the only games I haven't played. Not compatible with my 3DS either.
>>345420472
>I'm sure you strolled right in after the E4 without grinding at all and beat him first tryCorrect. a well-rounded team can slap his collective shit straight out of the elite 4, especially if you have legendaries
>>345419932
massively disappointing? it's one of my favorite meta moments in all of video games. there's something fantastic about fighting your former avatar
>gold/silver and diablo ii both used this hook in the same year
>>345420643
>makes sweeping generalizations about a series he hasn't played all of
Yep, you'll go far on /v/ alright.
>>345420643
>Not compatible with my 3DS either.
Wut? I just finished a playthough on my 3ds not that long ago.
>>345420615
And various HM slaves. I meant that the only Pokemon I apparently ever used in battle were a Fearow and maybe Meganium. I don't know why. I don't even particularly like Fearow.
>>345410520
>What makes an RPG good? Replay value.
No?
>>345420650
>uses legendaries
>wow why is the game so easy
faggot
>>345420650
>using legendaries
Get a load of this faggot
>>345419915
>Something felt off about them
I don't like the sprite style and the character models they used
they used those shitty 3D ones. they should have stuck with the ones they used for black and white 2
>>345410520
>What makes an RPG good? Replay value.
You've started with a false premise so the rest of your argument does not logically follow.
>>345419382
>Crystal gives you infinite elemental stones for free
Crystal does. Not gold and silver.
Plus the story in Crystal sucks dick tbqh.
People who have played PokeMMO extensively:
If I've never beaten any Pokemon game before, is it a good idea to beat them in PokeMMO? Am I missing out on anything vital by playing the roms in PokeMMO instead of on my phone?
>>345420298
Should I play black 1 before black 2?
I only have time for one.
I heard B&W 2 were superior because of the world tournament
>Beaten every Pokemon generation at least twice
>Have attempted to replay gen 3 over 10 times and have dropped it everytime
I don't even understand it myself, there is just something about hoenn that bores me to fucking tears, I even bought the remake and still didn't finish it.
>>345416328
lad
>>345421695
i feel the same way about gen 4
sinnoh is a bad meme
>>345416328
MAMA NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>345421678
If you care about story, yes. If you don't, then no. Black 1 only has 150 pokemon while Black 2 has over 300. Black 2 also has significantly more battles to fight including multiple gym leader, elite 4, and returning characters (such as red) rematches.
>>345421827
kys
Platinum is LITERALLY GOAT tier and one the most well-rounded pokemans games.
>>345416328
If YOU don't reply to this post YOUR mother will die in her sleep tonight anon.
>>345421871
does the story of black 1 tie into black 2?
>>345421981
nah platinum is shit
>>345413957
>Sunflora, Unown, Corsola, Stantler, Qwilfish, useless baby Pokemon, shitmons that weren't even good until they got evos in Gen 4, bland and uninspired starter designs that are a joke compared to the Gen 1 and Gen 3 starters and Greninja
You're horribly blinded by nostalgia, bub.
>>345421981
>most well-rounded pokemans games
what is B&W 2
>>345422015
It is a sequel taking place 3 years later in the same region with almost all of the characters from the first game making a return in small or major ways.
>>345413957
Tyrantrum and Greninja alone prove you wrong.
>>345422114
oh
fug. i think I'm still gonna play B&W2, I want to battle my waifu Clair in the world tournament
should I play white or black
>>345422375
Black. White doesn't have a hard mode.
>>345410541
You can literally do whatever and still beat pokemon fine.
It's a braindead RPG for children.
Stop taking it so fucking seriously.
>>345422565
>White doesn't have a hard mode
why would nintendo do such a thing, thanks for the info though
>>345413991
Gen 2 objectively has the worst starters.
Sceptile > Meganium
Charizard > Typhlosion
Greninja > Feraligatr
>>345422752
i dont understand this fucking meme.
if you mean worst in terms of stats, then okay. but typhlosion and feraligatr are both badass.
just because they are not literally S tier like greninja and blaziken doesn't mean they are bad
FUCK OFF TO /vp/ RETARDS
>>345410520
>so that each time you could take a different path
Stopped reading there. No pokemon game does this.
>>345416328
bazingel!
>>345410541
>Espeon
>barely usable
How the fuck do you even figure?
Is there a grass starter that doesn't suck shit?
>>345423574
Smug leaf!
>>345423574
Why would you pick a grass starter when you could have Vileplume?
>>345410520
>What makes an RPG good? Replay value.
Phew, thanks for starting out with the stupid so I didn't have to read the rest of your shitty post.
Is there any way I can play 1st gen on my phone? I heard there's an emulator but it doesn't work for iOS above v8
>>345423574
Some people don't like Torterra because of his double weakness to Ice-type moves, but I think he's really solid. Easily my favorite of the Grass starters.
>>345423987
>iOS
cucked
>>345424082
Literally everyone has Ice Beam, guaranteed
>>345410520
>>345410520
>GSC bad
You looking for trouble, buddy?
>>345416328
No
>>345422752
>Starters with mediocre stats is the only thing that matters!
Fucking idiot
>>345410520
I 100% agree with you OP. The only redeemable thing about it was breeding and going back to neutered Kanto.
Why the fuck were so many new Pokemon pushed to the back half of the game? A lot of the new lines felt lackluster until Gen 4 filled them out.
Gen 2 sucked.
>>345413385
Wrong. Really unfortunate too since Hyper Beam's gen 2 animation is the coolest shit
>>345419915
Gen 3 has a lot awful movesets
> Nuzleaf line learns 0 Grass attacks
> Lombre line learns 0 water attacks
etc
>>345410520
>What makes an RPG good? Replay value
kys
>>345425373
>kys
kys
>>345412289
That's why instead of playing Pokemon Crystal, I started a playthrough of Pokemon Crystal Kaizo.
Hacked roms FTW
>>345416328
Fucker
>>345425765
I really like that they fix Pokemons that can only evolve by trading, by making them evolve by leveling. Very cool stuff
>>345416665
>dat off by 1
y-you too
>What makes an RPG good? Replay value.
>genre of games that last upward of 30-60 hours on average
>only good if they can be played multiple times
are you on the mariguanas, boy?
>>345416328
what
>>345410520
>What makes an RPG good? Replay value.
You're already off to a bad start.
Of all the genres, why would RPGs specifically need replay value? I'm not saying it's a positive, but you should expect RPGs to have the LEAST replay value given that they're usually story driven and less focused on unique/challenging/addictive mechanics.
The games that have the most replay value (Tetris, Pac-Man, MOBAs) have it by being as far removed from story-driven RPGs as possible.
You're clearly a moron and your opinion is shit and uninformed.
>>345426770
I'm not saying it's not a positive*
Double negatives: Not even once.
>>345412318
Which? There's Pokegirl, Trainers, Gym Leaders, Elite 4, and Mothers. Too many fucking girls in Pokemon to have just a few good ones.
>>345426891
all
>>345427997
>forgot that my non-lewd folder is gone
Fuck.
>>345428139
just kidding postclair
>>345428178taking one for the team
>>345428269
my nigga
>>345410520
>The game should be replayable countless times to be good
what a dumb fucking faggot loser
even NEETs don't have the time to actually play all the games coming out
what is wrong with you people
I bet you speedrun too
>>345428342
>would make a dump thread in /h/, but have been banned for posting western art (can't help it that I can't be assed to separate or tell the difference sometimes) and some of it is considered loli
>would dump in /b/, but it'd get flooded with Spider Man and furry
>>345428496
Dump it onMEGA.
>>345428612
I would, but I'm gonna wait til I have more than just 1k images. Maybe even finish renaming and sorting them too.
>>345428401
Wouldn't a speedrunner argue against replay value?
>>345428269
What was it or am I being rused by a tripfag?
>>345428821
Was Clair r34, since I don't have any non-lewds of her.
>>345428749
>Wow, what an asshole. This greedy bastard just makes me want to dump my own Clair collection just so /v/ gets some-
>I only have 3 images of Claire
heh
>>345429304
I lost all but my Hex maniac non-lewds a couple of months ago, along with a lot of other images. I could have just googled, but that feels cheap. All I have is lewds.
>>345429425
66% of my Claires are lewd, too.
Here's the exception.
>>345429493
>>345416328
zimbabwe
>>345416328
goddamn it why
>Most of gen 2's trainers use gen 1 pokemon
>Most gen 2 pokemon are rarer in the wild and usually have subpar stats anyway
Good job game freak.
>>345410520
ive never replayed a pokemon game. Thats not what makes the series good.
kill yourself.
>>345410520
The only thing I noticed is that the AI is REALLY fucking stupid.
Enemy pokemon will try to use their move thats most effective against your pokemon. Whether or not they actually attack.
So I ended up noticing that I would see certain Pokemon spam Agility and nothing else when I had my fighting types up.
>>345429683
>only one roaming legends
All 3 roamed in the wild.
>>345429842
Pretty sure it means one each.
>>345410520
Gen 2 is pretty shit but not for the reasons you mentioned.
People always boast about it having 2 regions but they both feel like really short and incomplete experiences instead of full packages.
Also what the fuck is up with the level progression? Why is there a huge jump in levels for Blue's gym and an even bigger one for Red? It's retarded.
>>345429910Ignore that post
>>345410520
>What makes an RPG good? Replay value.
would not read/10
>>345429931
HAving the elite 4 in the lv 40 range is weird part for me.
Yeah, I could never put it into words, but thats how I would describe GSC.
My team was complete shit, not because I didn't have a lot of pokemon, but the variety and types had something missing.
>>345416328
noooooo
>>345416328
shiiieeet
>>345429683
>skarmory and that magma snail are gen 2
WHAT!
>>345412318
>no nail polish
TRASH
I would commit a crime.
>>345421695
I had to restart a few times because something felt off whenever I tried to play that game. Eventually beat it, tried to restart again lost it and didn't feel bad about it at all.
So we can all agree that OP is a gigantic fucking faggot and Gen 2 is one of, if not the best gen, correct?
Anytime anyone tries to discuss advanced mechanics of pokemon games I just laugh a little. Its a children's game man none of this shit matters. the worst game design flaw that has plagued this series are the stats and garbage like getting 2 turns back to back without the opponent doing a move that sacrifices their next turn or you doing a move that paralyzes or sleeps them.
Gold was my favorite pokemon game. The new pokemon were fun and interesting and being able to go back to the entire Red/Blue region was rad as fuck.
the series' monster designs went to hell in a handbasket after the first two generations though and the gameplay never changed significantly enough to warrant the idea that these games aren't intentionally designed to be dead simple for toddlers under the assumption that the first two only played the way they did cause they were on an incredibly rudimentary handheld gaming device.
Anyone over the age of 18 and isn't a girl who still plays pokemon is basically a chris-chan analog from my point of view.
>>345429562
Lum outfit, holy shit that makes my dick diamonds
>>345430503
i dont know how anybody can defend the sleep mechanic
it has consistently been overpowered cancer throughout literally EVERY game
>get sleep'd
>have to deal with it for like 5 turns or use a sleep heal
>can just get sleep'd again if you use a sleep heal
>>345430447
Yes.
But you're better off playing the remakes, and if you are going to play the originals, at least play Crystal.
>>345430503
>people are not allowed to enjoy things I do not
>somehow they are the autists in this situation, not me
Alright
i'm giving liquid crystal rom a shot because i love gen 3
>>345410520
>What makes an RPG good? Replay value.
Stopped reading.
You are a faggot and no matter what you say after that, you just can't be right if you spout such bullshit with straight face.
And if you even say something I'd agree with in that post, that only means I'm also wrong.
>>345411241
Man, RSE were so shit, you couldn't EVER catch a Pidgey.
>>345430621
I've gotten to around that fag who makes balls for you in both gold and heartgold recently, and it's kind of annoying how the remakes are better in certain areas, but also just fuck up the general feel of the world. There's a lot less random intractable flavourtext items, the people are less interesting, the game forces you into more of the side areas rather than just having them there as interesting places to explore of your own volition, all of the gyms are gimmicky as fuck, and the world just feels worse overall.
On the other hand, shit like the special split and boxes not being fucking hitler.
They're frustratingly equally good, I find.
>>345430624
I'm not the one walking into traffic staring at my phone and chasing an augmented reality projection in the viewfinder.
>>345410520
I don't care about the bulk of your argument, maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong, whatever, someone better than me will probably take you up on this or move on sensibly.
But I just stopped by to say that longevity is totally a valid alternative to replayability.
>>345430854
I thought you were talking about the actual games, anon.
Almost everyone I know who plays pokemon go plays it because they do so with their friends. If doing shit with friends is autistic to you then something is seriously wrong.
>be 7 years old
>first game I ever owned and played was pokemon yellow
>starter pokemon is an electric type and the first gym is a rock type gym
I think you know the rest.
Caught up in all your complaining, you forgot the worst thing: There's literally not a single usable fire Pokemon in Johto besides Typhlosion.
The truly sad part is that it introduced dark types, yet you either grinded your eevee until it decided it loved you enough or you waited till postgame.
>>345419915
Shitty region and pokemons tho
>>345431345
>he didn't use arcanine
What a sorry life you led.
>>345431454
>cant evolve him until you beat the E4
LOL
>>345431454
Version exclusive.
>>345431351
They were supposed to be rare and ellusive. You weren't supposed to have every type from the start. You might as well complain about how rare dragon types are in gen 1/2. Or Ice in gen 1.
>>345430447
That's gen 3 senpai.
>>345431345
ninetails?
>>345431246
>rock type gym
>first trainer uses ground types
If they all weren't part ground, using Pikachu would be a cinch.
>>345431837
Sucks dick hard.
>>345431490
Growlithe is literally fine. Magmar and Ponyta/Rapidash were also a thing.
>>345431492
I'd call you a faggot for playing silver but vulpix/ninetails exists anyway.
I kinda wish the pokemon leagues were like in the anime where you just go up against really strong trainers one at a time instead of going through an endurance run of semi mediocre single type using assholes.
>>345430854
>I don't like new Pokémon
Then you should love Go.
>>345429683
dont forgot the worthless baby pokemon
>>345432018
I wish they had a new game + or hard mode for pokemon games cause man, every one is dead fucking simple and almost impossible to lose a fight.
>>345412939
the thing with all this shit is that none of it matters for anything but competitive play
>>345431246
pikachu can kill brock easy thou same with charmander in red so i dont know the rest?
>>345432182
Have you ever played post game Gen 3? The battle frontier was pretty tough considering the pokemon you faced were actually EV trained.
>>345431408
Hoenn has cool as fuck. The regi puzzles, the abandoned ship, diving, finding bagon, the tall grass rainy routes, all those different biomes, exploring the seemingly endless sea. Johto and whatever XY's shitty region is called are the most half assed by far.
>>345410520
>What makes an RPG good? Replay value.
>>345432318
>tfw never had enough autism to try the battle frontier
i can never be mad when its not included in games because no way am i grinding all my pokemon to level 100
>>345432318
I have and that is so lategame that it doesn't feel important, and the rewards for beating it are irrelevant due to its place in the game.
>>345432373
That was my reaction when reading it. I can only think of a handful of RPGs that were worth a second playthrough.This is why bethesda games are so popular. Even if they aren't the greatest, they still warrant a second playthrough.
>>345432407
You can do level 50 battles too you know.
>>345410520
the music was god tier tho
>>345432407
Grinding levels in ORAS is incredibly easy with the reintroduction of secret bases, allowing you to battle level 100 Blisseys who will kill themselves with healing wish or toxic orbs. You don't even need to be level 100, level 50 will do and you can get from level 1 to 50 in 1-2 battles depending on the pokemon and if you have the exp lvl 3 O-power.
>>345430980
Walking into traffic is wrong and if you're doing it with your friends then its more likely that not only you are autistic, but so is your group.
anyway these games have virtually remained unchanged from a game design point of view which at its conception 20 years ago was simple enough for and marketed towards children while the biggest changes have come in the form of new creatures that progressively are more and more inspired by inanimate objects rather than living creature analogs, or just being some perplexing collection of simple geometric shapes with a face painted on like some 5 year old's crayon drawing of what he thinks animals look like if that 5 year old was also born 30,000 years ago and that crayon art was actually a mud painting on a cave wall.
like Lugia and Unown were pushing it already in Gold and Silver and it didn't help any that the GBA games' cover flagship monsters looked more like plastic figurines than something resembling an animal.
Anyway pokemon isn't for me but i just came here to shitpost and if it were any other thread talking about pokemon i wouldnt have joined in if not for OP being upset that Gold doesn't fit his worldview of how pokemon games should be while failing to realize the capacity for pokemon games to be different has come and gone and this series is basically The Legend of Zelda at this point; same shit, different coat of paint. If a fear of change for as something as trivial as preference in videogames isn't autism then what is?
>>345432184
>focus energy
>the ghost type
>special stat
>spamming sleep/wrap moves
>rage
I got through the majority of gen 1 as a 9 year old specifically thanks to a butterfree with sleep powder right up until I could get the missingno glitch because everyone knew about it..
>>345432597
still there's no point in doing it
>>345413991
gen 1 didn't even have proper sprites.
Some pretty bad bait or really butchered copy pasta. I can't remember how many times I played through Silver, but I was starting a new one every week when I was little.
>>345432184
No. Psychic type was just broken. You could steamroll anyone with an Alakazam.
>>345429683
should do gen 1 where there were more version exclusives, trade-only(some of which are the best pokemon in the game), have low rates of appearing, etc.
also conveniently ignored swarm-pokemon and the fact shuckle is obtainable via a gift
>>345431658
>rare and ellusive.
Yeah, notyhing like getting half of them in the old region of the game, just in time so you never use them.
>>345433340
>waaaah, the game keeps introducing new shit later on, I don't get everything right from the start
Do you complain about there being no legendaries until lategame too?
What the fuck is this?
Is it a whale? A bird? A plane?
Where is its mouth? What the fuck is this thing supposed to be?
You look at Red and Blue and you're either getting the one with the orange dragon on it or the one with the turtle with guns and an attitude.
Ruby and Sapphire was a red armored digimon or this blue spaceship thing.
>>345433607
>tfw you realize Gold and Silver started the meme of slapping the legendaries on the cover
Welp. guess we know where the franchise went off the rails.
Wouldn't you know it but Pokemon has got to be the longest running one-hit wonder franchise. Red and Blue in 1996 and 20 years later it really is just the original 150 a vast majority of people even have the capacity to care about.
>>345432715
Giving shit to a group of people for openly posting arguments of length about a videogame on a videogame message board then proceeding to do just that when provoked, for one.
>>345410520
>>345410541
didnt read the thread but youre a literal autist. anyone playing the game doesnt give a fuck about tms and special split (wtf is that, no1 cares). you play to catch cool pokes and get a second fucking map after you beat the game, and a fucking mountain with red on it
what more do you want you autist
>think of playing HG/SS, since I've never played a Johto game from start to finish before
>remember HMs
Should I just play BW2 instead? I haven't played those either.
>>345421981
you need to be 18 to post here
desu all Pokemon gens after 1 are shit.
>inb4 underage kids get angry at me for pointing out the objective truth
You'd know if you were born before 2000's. It's okay.
>>345432229
Pikachu doesn't learn a move that can even damage Brock until Level 11, where he learns Quick Attack, which has no STAB against Brock's Physically defensive Pokemon that resist normal.
>>345434507
born in 94
this is false
gtfo genwunner
>>345419932
>caring about the difficulty
>not just relishing in him being there
>complaining about the silent protag having no dialogue
You're just flat-out stupid, my manfam.
What's your guy's opinion of Gen 3?
I love it, it adds some of my favourites, but my friend is vehemently against it and I don't understand why.
>being vehemently against ANY gen
>not liking all gens to differing degrees, and accepting that you'll find a few strong entries across each one
>Some cunts talking shit on Gen 3
Friendly reminder that Sceptile has always been bro tier, even before getting a Mega.
Hoenn is comfy unless you don't like water. Who the fuck doesn't like water.
>>345410520
>What makes an RPG good? Replay value.
No?
>>345435048
i have a fear of deep, dark and open water
hoenn fucking triggerd me in that regard
>>345435424
I guess it actually fucks with you.
I've never been to the beach but I love tropical environments, that's why Hoenn calls to me.
Chilling at Slateport or Dewford would be cool.
>>345435045
Because
>most of the new pokemon are retarded compared to the previous ones
>way too many water routes
>ignores all the pokemon from the old gen
>aesthetic varies in quality
>>345434030
>one hit wonder, went off the rails
GSC sold as much as RBY
>started the legendary meme
Because the variance between games was actually more developed from Gen 2; story-wise and pokemon-wise. Ruby and Sapphire are by far the best counterparts because they actually followed different story paths, whereas there was nothing different between Red and Blue save the availability of 4 pokemon and the game's colour filter.
Genwun is only defended by nostalgia fags and normies who only ever played that game.
>>345412939
On top of that, there was a method to gain additional EV even if your pokemon are at lvl 100, it was called the box cheat.
So let's say you have a generic pokemon at 100 and you defeat a generic wild pokemon, you gain X EV in a stat but in cannot be added cause of the level.
You then store that said pokemon in a box, and all the EV gained when it was on your party are added to the pokemon's stat instead of being deleted.
You can do this 'til you hit 63002 EV.
>>345434030
>thinking Pokemon constitutes a one-hit wonder
One-hit wonders have their one hit, and then fall into irrelevance.
Pokemon may never achieve it's peak again, because it can never be NEW again, but it's consistent popularity disqualifies it as a "One-hit Wonder".
>>345410520
No bait would try this hard, thank you for attempting to bring somewhat intelligible criticism to /v/
>What makes an RPG good? Replay value. The game should be replayable countless times to be good, so that each time you could take a different path and face the same tasks with different resources.
While I agree that Gold and Silver, and by extension the entire series, fail to provide what I go to RPGs for, I don't think that there is one particular reason that every RPG fan goes for them. You go for replay value, I go for escapism and the story, and perhaps other people go for RPGs with unique gameplay.
>>345410541
Although I think anyone can agree that Gold and Silver do have notably limited options compared to other games in the series.
>>345410804
>>345411113
>>345411271
or not
>>345411241
This has to be a falseflag
Also
>>>/vp/
>>345412939
>someone censored the "fucks"
guess they can't swear on reddit
