What went wrong
Too much kiddie/handholding
Not enough adventure
Everything. When you're worse then the 10 year old game you're remaking something is fucking wrong.
>>345405856
SO MUCH TEXT.
>>345405713
I didn't know there was something majorly flawed about these games.
I just thought there was alot of handholding. What else is bad about it?
too much water
>>345406084
haha its the ign reference joke hahaha xd lolol
>>345405713
Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire
>everyone jerks off over SoulSilver/HeartGold.
>finally play SS
>run past house at beginning
>an npc literally comes out of the house, scolds me for running past and forces an item on me
>>345405880
The only thing wrong was no Battle Frontier.
>>345406807
Stupid roadblocks are a series staple.
>>345405713
>no battle frontier
>shitty gyms
>awful remixes of music
>SHITTY GYMS
>less memorable plot than the orginals
>no ditto
>no IV checker
>>345407006
i mean there wasnt in r/s either but thats no excuse, even so when was the last battle frontier? hg/ss?
>>345407218
>no Match Call or Vs Seeker
>no gym rematches
>>345406807
Try playing Black and White 2. You are gonna lose your shit if you hate getting blocked or interrupted.
>mfw getting interrupted for the 5th time in ten minutes
Will we ever get another Black 2? That was probably my favorite
>>345407731
not for at least 20 years
I can't see them remaking any more games honestly, they are up to D/P/Pt which are basically modernized but lacking some of the new mechanics like megas and mon amie but that's pretty whatever.
What is a primal.
Can anyone explain to me please
>>345407218
>>awful remixes of music
fight me
>>345408194
just mega evolved groudon/kyogre
The last Pokémon game I played was HG/SS when they came out.
Is black and white 2 really good? I heard that it's legitimately good but that black 1 and XY are trash
>>345407218
Remixes are all right .
No battle frontier is a dammed cardinal sin.
Least we got big titty may mod out of it and star sapphire .
>>345407610
BW2 are still the best games in the series by a wide margin
>>345407218
iv checker? There is one on the *soon to frontier* island. Pokemon center.
Music is ducking dope too. Especially remade boss music and zinnias music.
>>345408370
Black and White are great, Black and White 2 are absolutely excellent, X and Y are pretty bad.
>>345408370
Black 1 is fantastic
Black 2 is great but the pwt is the amazing .
Every fucking gym leader and champion from Gen 5 and below
Sure it's not an extra region or badges but hot Damm it was awesome
T H I S
>>345408389
Yes
>>345405996
Well remake generally denotes a few things so I'll list those for ya
>less endgame content than the originals
>more handholding
>less gym content
>No rival rematches save for battle mansion
>battle mansion
Now even aside from that we have
>neutered elite 4
>neutered gyms
>rival actually a bit buff, but it's made useless by easy leveling
>bases are literally only for one of the best megas, which you can easily get from the games prior
>3D isn't pretty
X/Y is better only because it didn't have the stigma of being a remake tagged to it.
>>345408513
You can fight every gym leader in BW2?
Sounds cool as fuck desu
Too bad I don't own a 3DS
Literally nothing, it's better than R/S in every way and it's great for VGC.
People complaining about the difficulty must've been special kids back then, because Pokemon was always easy.
>>345408370
BW1 are good, BW2 are great. Really good games. XY and ORAS are mediocre at best. XY added fuck all new pokemon, the map wasn't very good, the story was SHIT and it was really short and quite easy compared to BW1/2 and HG/SS. Really disappointed in XY. Avoid them, imo, and just play ORAS.
>>345408602
It has way more endgame content than R/S, you're thinking about Emerald's BF.
>>345408521
>chart of shit "I DONT LIKE X"
>completely misses the point of why the gen 1 problems chart is interesting to read
>Author vaguely trying to be funny, just comes off as whiny.
We can make a much better list than this come on
>>345408370
is HG/SS battles as slow as D/P? i heard it was sped up but it still seems waaaay slower than ruby
>>345408812
>Calls ORAS and XY mediocre
>Tells anon to ignore BW AND BW2 and play ORAS
lol wat
>>345408769
Can confirm. You can beat the originals sleeping, beat frlg and rbgy sleeping, beat x and y sleeping, beat dppt sleeping, beat bw1 sleeping. bw2 was slightly harder, and gsc and hgss were both kind of difficult due to having no areas to grind. those were the only games where a 6 man team could be actually detrimental.
>>345409174
think you misread what he said
Too easy, too much handholding, your first legendary is literally handed to you. I felt like i was playing a pre schoolers game.
>>345409327
Pokemon has always been for pre schoolers.
>>345408653
Yes sir. Google some videos . All accompanied by remixes of their respective gym/champion theme
>There is STILL no battle frontier added
>not even a shitty romhacked together battle frontier version
I just wanna play Gen 6 Battle Dome and Pyramid
>>345409396
When R/B/Y came out i was 8. Everyone playing it was my age or older. Thats not preschool, unless you live in burgerstan and fail preschool a bunch of times because you are a nigger.
The originals are harder than omega ruby
>>345405713
They literally give you an overpowered legendary right after gym 5 for no fucking reason
>>345408370
I'm halfway through XY. It's a little bit easier than the previous games but the pokemon variety is really nice.
>>345409516
Pokemon is aimed at primary school kids and pre schoolers, just because we keep playing them as old men it doesn't mean it should be aimed at us.
And the originals were easy as fuck, it doesn't matter if they were "harder" when I could beat the E4 with 2 pokemon in the original games too.
>>345409462
I want Factory
>>345409642
I was shocked and a little bit upset that they literally just GAVE ME A FUCKING LATIAS so early in the game. Just disappointing.
>>345405713
too much water
-IGN
>>345409738
the originals dont hand you a legendary pokemon for free. Stop trying so hard to be a contratian, you arent very good at it and you come across as a huge faggot.
The origonals are easier now that we know about all the glitches in it, but if you didnt know how to glitch it its 100x harder than omega ruby.
>>345409864
How is it disappointing?
Crystal made you catch Suicune at like the 6th gym or so.
>>345409996
they made you CATCH him. Omega ruby literally GIVES you latios/latias for free with NO battle required. Stop comparing apples to oranges.
>>345409996
that's the difference, it made you catch it, ORAS just says "here you go have a latias"
>>345409516
Which is sad. Because the originals are fucking easy as shit.
>>345409994
>the originals dont hand you a legendary pokemon for free.
You've been forced to fight against legendaries with decent catch rates ever since GSC. Sure, Latii are free, but big deal, it's one fucking Pokemon.
>The origonals are easier now that we know about all the glitches in it, but if you didnt know how to glitch it its 100x harder than omega ruby.
I never played with glitches you faggot, and I beat all the games when they came out.
The originals were easy as fuck, because they're made for little kids. Pokemon has never been a hard franchise with Emerald's battle frontier being the only exception.
The only reason to play a Pokemon game as an adult is to catch them all or to play competitive Pokemon, as it's the only way to get some hard battles out of it.
>>345410131
>>345410152
boo hoo, they give you a pokemon, so what, it's one out of 650, and no one is forcing you to use it.
>>345410173
which means no one should ever use difficulty as a reason to complain about a Pokemon game
The only decent complaint one could ever have about ORAS is that they don't have Emerald's Battle Frontier.
>>345410745
>no one is forcing you to use it.
actually you are forced to use it to get all the other legendaries. try again
>>345411428
You know that I meant to use it for battles.
You're forced to use it to fly, that's it.
Make it your HM slave if you feel so inclined.
Complaining about getting the latii is one of the most retarded complaints about ORAS I've seen, out of all the legitimate complaints that could be made (Battle Frontier, framerate drops, no rematches) you're complaining about getting 1 Pokemon for free, out of 650. In a game that has the biggest amount of catchable legendaries to boot.
Seriously stop, same with the difficulty, anyone going into any Pokemon game expecting some sort of difficulty is going to get disappointed unless they play competitive or under special rules.
>>345409462
I want Battle Factory back so badly. I played SO MANY FUCKING HOURS of BF on Emerald, I loved it so much.
i know memers don't like hearing it but the new pokemon are just so lame. anything past gold/silver doesn't even look like pokemon to me.
>>345412054
>nintendrones unironcally defending being handed a free legendary
kill yourself shill
I feel like I'm rehashing myself because of all the pokemon threads of late.
No compensation to make the game harder for Megas existing
In fact, does the opposite and makes the game easier by giving you things like EXP. All and a free Lati.
Story goes from decent to dumb to justify megas being in the game.
No fucking GB sounds.
Maybe these would have been passable if HG/SS didn't blow it out of the water and the only remake we had to compare it to is the FR/LG, but even those are better than ORAS.
>>345405713
People developed baseless nostalgia for gen 3 long after they came out. When they played these remakes, they realized how shit gen 3 was in the first place.
Dont get the hate, i also enjoyed XY as well
>>345412592
>resorting to name calling after being proven wrong
Are you sure you were born before the originals came out?
>>345409327
So you were playing Pokemon?
>>345412796
As with any Pokémon game, they're not bad, but for being the generation after BW2 gracing us all in their light, it's pretty fucking lame.
>>345412796
The hate comes mostly from nostalgiafags who have their googles stuck on their heads, the only people I can agree with are the people who miss the Battle Frontier like me.
megalutions is retarded in terms of gameplay and in terms of pokemon lore and in terms of visuals they look dumb
>>345407610
The original B/W are pretty annoying with it as well. For example, take a shot every time you have to battle Cheren and then take another one when he complains he'll never be a gym leader. You'll blackout in the first two hours.
>>345407006
>only thing
this is what ORAS apologists actually believe.
>>345413350
Megaevolutions are an amazing gameplay improvement.
They add so much to competitive Pokemon and just PvP Pokemon in general.
If you don't like them for your casual single player runs then just don't use them.
>>345413607
ORAS is better than R/S in every way. The lack of Battle Frontier is a legitimate complaint only because the other remakes also had the battle facilities of their 3rd versions, and because it was great.
RS didn't even have the physical/special split, there is no reason to play them when ORAS make them completely obsolete.
>>345413884
>ORAS is better than R/S in every way.
The spritework and overworld are vastly better in RSE. The textures and 3D renders are washed out as fuck and the 3D trainers are garbage.
Granite Cave was butchered. Sky Pillar was butchered.
They somehow made it even easier.
>>345414303
The difficulty change is fucking negligible, both games are so easy that difficulty shouldn't even be mentioned when talking about them.
I do like 2D more than 3D though, so I'll give you that, but I thought the point of the discussion was the gameplay.
It came after XY and also Episode Delta.
>>345414567
>b-but Pokemon was always easy
That's not a good excuse when a game makes it EVEN EASIER when it was already easy enough. All games had at least one moment where you actually had to think for a second. ORAS had exactly none.
>>345414772
>All games had at least one moment where you actually had to think for a second.
This is literally false.
In the original Ruby I literally brute forced the whole game with Blaziken, with Salamence helping with the E4 once his PPs ran out.
This can be said for pretty much every Pokemon game, the only exception being battle facilities like the Battle Frontier or the Subway, which is why they're so great.
Too much story
Not enough area revamps
The area revamps that were done were made worse.
Post game is fun, but too short, and too easy.
Mirage islands were annoying, way too small, they could have combined them all into a single zone and it would have been a billion times better
Dex Nav is the best feature of any pokemon game to date though.
And 6th gen online is way better then 5ths.
>>345414567
My ass difficulty change is negligible. You're given a god damned Latios or Latias.
>>345405713
It's a remake from the generation where they started remaking the games. There's a certain point where they don't need to remake it and this is it. I mean what's next, a frlg remake?
>>345415297
Well those 2 pokemon are pretty much turned into utilities to replace Fly.
But yeah, its rather annoying.
Also soft resetting to get a competitive mon is useless when you have to keep going through the cutscene over and over, its better to just go to the island and catch the other one in each respective game.
>>345414303
Don't forget New Mauville. It was reduced to a single room. The Safari Zone was gutted, too.
>>345415297
1 pokemon out of 650
And you can just not use it if it really makes you that upset, it's not needed to beat the game, just like how it wasn't needed in the originals.
>>345415716
Safari Zone is kinda useless now desu.
No Game Corner.
>>345409438
Which one is better black or white
>>345415297
And that's negligible, it doesn't make the game dramatically easier.
>>345405713
NO BATTLE FRONTIER
>>345405713
the objectionable correct answer is, "they traded content for shitty 3D graphics that only impress children or normalfags who hopped on the 6th gen hype train"
i'm still amazed at how they went from best game in the series (B2/W2) to what gen vi is
>>345409462
The fact that there's no patches to let X and Y fight or obtain ORAS megas on top of the Battle Frontier is astounding.
>>345415742
You can do a lot of self-imposed challenges to make the game harder. But the fact of the matter is that these things are here from the start. You are given a primal legendary that doesn't even count as a mega evolution.You are given an EXP. All. You are given so many free things to make the travel easier. You can opt to not use them, but the fact that you then have to intentionally gimp yourself to make a game harder is a problem.
I fear what they would do with BW/BW2 remakes in 10 years.
Too damn easy, mirage spot TMs are fucking horseshit, possibly the most bare bones pokemon they've ever put out, no Battle Frontier, etc. They did at least add more quality of life improvements to breeding and training shit endgame, so it's never been easier to raise teams to actually play with other people.
>>345416527
>BW update
>TFW they're just going to start the remake train all over again, re-releasing gold-silver-crystal like they did red blue and yellow
Kind of glad too, no one wants 4th gen again.
>>345416839
I liked Sinnoh, I would like to play it on an engine that wasn't slow as balls.
>>345416112
Black=unlockable hard mode
White=unlockable easy mode
ExpShare ruined this game. You hit the end of the game with 20 levels on the E4.
>>345408812
>uite easy compared to BW1/2 and HG/SS
To be fair, the only real challenge in HG/SS comes from the game being absolute shit for leveling your pokemon. There is fuck-all in Johto to even keep you on par with gym 5 onward.
>>345416438
I didn't mean that you don't need it as in "the game is harder is you don't use it", I meant that you don't need it as in "the game is so easy that it doesn't make a damn difference if you use it or not".
The originals were like that too, so easy that you could solo them with Blaziken or Swampert who had neutral coverage for pretty much anything, specially Blaziken who was lighting fast and had great STABs. Fuck, Kyogre was incredibly strong in the originals too, if you want to bring the box Pokemon into the equation, having Kyogre go primal doesn't make a lick of a difference either, it's literally a "win more" Pokemon for the story mode.
Heck, it's not limited to RS, a friend of mine beat BW2 using fucking Snivy, that's how easy Pokemon is (though admittedly that's a self imposed challenge).
Being handed a Latii is negligible because the games are easy already, the only real consequence is saving you the pain in the ass of trading/catching one more of the 650 Pokemon.
And most of the other additions are QOL improvements, like the Exp. All or the improved flying. They aren't making your fights easier, the Exp All is to save you grinding time, which isn't real difficulty, and the improved flying still needs you to have traveled to the town beforehand, iirc.
>>345417120
turn it off
Playing Pokemon for the story or the "difficulty" is retarded.
The only thing anyone should give a fuck about is the gameplay and how it affects playing with other people. Maybe how cool are the Pokemons too.
>>345417739
Just because difficulty isn't one of the main features doesn't mean it should be completely ignored. Compared to previous entries in the franchise, X/Y and ORAS is no doubt easier.
>>345418050
Maybe you're just older.
Remember you aren't part of the main target audience anymore.
I still can't believe they completely ignored everything from emerald. Is there even ONE thing from emerald that made it in?
>>345413609
>They add so much to competitive Pokemon
I would agree with you if the bulk of them weren't for already stupidly strong pokemon.
>>345418149
No. It's not just because I'm older. I replayed Black and Black 2 just last year and it was definitely more challenging than X/Y and ORAS. It's not like SMT levels of difficulty or anything, but there is a definite noticeable drop in Gen 6 from Gen 5.
Hell, the fucking makers say they made it easier so they could get people who play mobile games where you don't need to invest dick to play it.
>>345418250
Most of those same stupidly strong pokemon were "stupidly" strong because of certain item combinations, and in some cases the megas are still weaker than those combinations.
>>345418483
Yes, it's the Life Orb or Choice Item that made them good, not the 600BST that now gets boosted by another 100.
>>345418250
It's actually the complete opposite unless you're talking about Mewtwo/Primals/Fug which aren't allowed in any format.
The only already strong, non banned pokemon that got a good Mega were Blaziken, Lucario and Salamence (and Blaziken is in Ubers for Smogon, if you want to take them into account).
Garchomp, Heracross and Scizor are popular but their megas are a waste of slot.
>>345418483
Wasn't the top 8 teams of the recent world championships almost completely interchangeable?
>>345418451
Well, they're easier, that's true.
But I still think complaining about it is stupid, if you want to complain about a Pokemon game being easy then you'd have to complain about the whole franchise, because all pokemon games have braindead easy story modes.
>>345418824
Yes, but thats because they just play doubles.
They didn't retcon mega evolutions out of existence /thread
>>345418824
Yeah but that has nothing to do with megaevolutions being a bad mechanic and has more to do with GF being shit at balancing the game.
>>345418678
That's actually the case for a lot of Pokemon.
Mega Garchomp is shit while Scarfed Chomp is amazing, like Choice Band Scizor.
>>345419031
Why would they retcon the best mechanic introduced ever since the physical/special split.
It made competitive Pokemon fresh again.
>>345412054
It is a legitimate point because it illegitimizes the term "legendary". One if my favorite features from G/S and R/S was the roaming legendaries. You felt like you were so lucky when you finally encountered them, and if you didn't have a master ball, you were in for a challenge.
Being handed the 'legendary' flies in the face of that adventure. This is technically a role playing game, you know.
>>345418932
You at least needed to invest time onto most of the older titles, you can steamroll through ORAS by doing nothing but fighting trainers.
I kinda wonder if I didn't like ORAS because I tried to catch all the Pokemon in an area instead of rushing through the game like I normally do.
They shouldn't have remade an already trash game.
>>345419440
Investing time into grinding is not real difficulty.
>>345412485
I'm only faithful up til Ruby and Sapphire. Everything after that has just a few cool Pokemon that I like.
>>345419504
Having gym leaders have pokemon at a higher level is difficulty. If your pokemon can't take it out with type advantages, then that is difficulty and you need to train. The only time it ever feels artificial is in Johto because of the shit level curve.
>>345419440
I've never grinded in any Pokemon game and still found them easy.
Not trying to be rude here, but maybe you're not good at the game.
>>345419435
That's a decent point I guess. I mean, it does kinda break the immersion. That's not the point they were trying to make though, they were complaining about how it made the game easier (even though the game so easy that it doesn't make a real difference if you use it or not).
>>345415202
If you even sit here and tell me you figured out how to access the Regi's with no effort, you're lying over the internet to a complete stranger for no reason, and I'm embarrassed for you.
Gen 4>Gen 3>Gen 2>Gen 1>Gen 6>Gen 5
>>345419895
Get your fucking arguments straight are you talking about puzzle gameplay or combat gameplay? Holy shit not even the same guy but damn are you frustrating.
>>345419741
You mentioned investing more time, which means you were talking about grinding, that's not real difficulty. Training is not real difficulty, real difficulty would be having to fight those gym leaders without being able to train.
And unless you're 15+ levels below a gym leader (which is never the case in a Pokemon game unless you're making some kind of self imposed challenge), you're never going to have trouble taking them out with type advantages.
>no battle frontier
what the fuck were they thinking
>>345419895
I knew what braille was.
Granted I didn't know the alphabet but I figured it out from the cave.
It was great and exciting though, because I only got there by coincidence, as I was just diving everywhere to find items and things like that.
And they're still in ORAS, so I don't know why you're bringing that up, we were talking about combat dificulty not puzzles.
>All those people that defended ORAS not having the Battle Frontier by saying it's supposed to be a remake of Ruby and Sapphire, and not Emerald.
>Meanwhile HGSS had a Battle Frontier and Crystal content.
>>345419974
He highlighted the phrase 'all the games had at least one moment where you had to think for a moment'.
Combat wasn't specified and he only targeted the combat neglecting the part where the games true nature is an adventure RPG. So combat is a feature and world interaction is what the game is about. Complaining the combat is easy is like complaining it's easy in TES games. It's not about that at all. It's just a small part of the immersion.
>Not the guy you originally targeted
>>345419907
Gen 2 > Gen 1 > Gen 5 > Gen 6 > Gen 3 > Gen 4
SS/HG can't save Gen 4, Pearl/Diamong just suck.
>>345420184
Because I'm saying that combat is honestly not a major part of the games. It is, but it is only for immersion. It's not supposed to be complex, though it can be. So complaining about it's difficulty in general is stupid when there's an entire game around it.
>>345417073
>That sameface
>Getting rid of Dawn's hips
Absolutely fucking horrible. Delete this image immediately or face termination.
>>345420398
But if you've read the thread then you would've noticed we were talking about game difficulty, specifically the combat.
And that reply was stupid too, considering ORAS also has the Regi Puzzle, so puzzles were obviously not what the other anon meant with "all the games had at least one moment where you had to think for a moment".
>>345420446
>Gen 5 below Gen 2
>Gen 1 above anything
Gen 5 > Gen 2 > Gen 4 > Gen 3 > Gen 6 > Gen 1
>>345419907
5 > 4 > 6 > 3 > 2 > 1
>>345419895
trying to catch them was the worst fucking shit
>have to do all that shit with the wailord and ralicanth just to unlock them
>then have to do even more shit when you get to the actual regi caves
>they have one of the highest catch rates in the game
>they end up being shit
>think regigigas will be good because he has to be
>hes shit
>>345420575
Yes I agree, but we were talking about combat, and that was the context of that reply.
In fact I was the one saying that complaining about the difficulty is stupid, because all the games are easy.
being a remake of a shit gen
objectively correct
v > iv = iii > vi > ii > i
>>345420708
Give 1 a break, it was the pioneer.
>>345420627
Get a load of this faggot.
>>345420708
>Gen 1 above anything
that's not the problem
>gen i being in second place
that's the problem
>>345420916
That doesn't make it better than any of them
>>345420916
Yeah, King's Field is better than DeS and DaS1
>>345420708
Push your genwunner meme all you like, you /vp/ cunts will always be a joke.
>>345421072
>>345421063
If you don't consider a game quality in relation to it's release date then you're just being a retard.
>>345421094
I dont think you know that the list is probably in reverse to what it is you think it's doing.
>>345408389
That's not how you spell Emerald, Unovabortion.
Reminder that Barry is best rival.
best games
B2/W2 > platinum = HG/SS > emerald > FRLG
>>345421447
No, that's because he didn't SPELL emerald, he spelled Black and White 2.
>>345421540
I liked Wally more, but yeah Barry was pretty solid.
>>345420446
How can Gen 2 be the best if it introduced the highest number of filler shitmons like Sunflora, Qwilfish, Unown, Stantler, Corsola, and all the useless babies?
>>345421447
I know what I wrote, you can't argue with the sheer amount of content and variety that BW2 brought with it.
>>345405713
It felt souless
>>345421598
But Corsola is a fun pokemon to fuck around with.
Also it introduced Steelix. Ergo fuck you.
Vending machines are everywhere
>>345421598
Because it's the only Pokemon game that had a couple of difficult spots. It also introduced day/night cycle, shinies, eggs, some cool Pokemon, battle facilities and had 2 regions with a great secret battle.
It's the best you could get for the time it came out.
>people bitching about handholding
>in a Pokemon game
Never gets old.
>>345422001
But Johto was a terrible region
