In Metal Gear (year 1995), Big Boss (Venom Snake - if we are to follow MGS 5) is an evil mercenary who from Outer Heaven, South Africa:
-pursued world chaos
-instigated wars everywhere
-violated international law on multiple occasions (prisoners of war)
-got his blasted by Solid Snake
In Metal Gear 2 (year 1999), Big Boss (the actual Big Boss - if we are to follow MGS 5) is an evil mercenary who from Zanzibar Land, Zanzibar:
-pursued world chaos
-annexed land for his mercenary organisation
-mercilessly killed those who opposed him
-kidnapped a scientist who found a way to create oil from scratch
-bullied world nations
-violated international law on multiple occasion (annexing out heaven, accumulating nuclear weapons, stealing nuclear weapons etc)
In Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain (year 1984), Big Boss (Venom Snake - if we are to follow MGS 5) is a war hero who from Mother Base, Seychelles:
-fulfilled the legend and legacy of his 1964 victory against his former-mentor-turned-soviet-spy The Boss
-dismantled every nuclear weapon in the world
-wants world peace
-uses his mentor's will as a maxim
-avoided the extinction of the human race (no language, no civilisation)
-liberated child soldiers
-liberated the world
How can a man change THIS much in the span of 11 years. It doesn't make any sense.
Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain is not canon.
Patriot propaganda. That's literally it.
>trying to understand the story in a japanese game
The Phantom Pain is canon.
Deal with it, faggot.
Yeah, every Big Boss game save for MGS3 is stupid.
>>345363318
How is it propaganda when he (you in MGS 3 and MGS 5) actually did all this
>>345363821
The MSX games were.
>>345363132
Zanzibar Land isn't in Africa m8, it's in central asia
>>345363132
>implying that Venom Snake and Big Boss are the same person
>implying that Venom Snake wasn't Big Boss's body double that actually did all the heroic shit while Big Boss ran off to Zanzibar Land to do evil shit
It's like you want to be a windowlicking spacker.
>>345364153
whoopsie
>>345364607
You played MGS5 until the end? Because it's made obvious Venom Snake's actions are to be considered Big Boss's.
And hwo would Big Boss reappear in 1999 to get his ass blasted one more time by Solid Snake?
>>345363132
Zanzibar Land is where Virtuous Mission took place son.
>>345365703
This piece of info was revealed in a novel I believe. But damn I love the idea of Big Boss clinging to his past so heavily as to renovate Groznyj Grad into his own Outer Heaven.
>>345365703
No way, you gotta give us some proof of that
>>345366062
>Groznyj Grad
It wasn't Groznyj Grad.
He put it up exactly where Sokolov's facility was.
Groznyj Grad is quite a long drive from there, distance-wise.
Also it was revealed in the official novelization of MGS4 I believe.
Also even in MG2 manual you still have that one bridge explicitly called "Bridge of Sorrow". Guess which bridge is it.
doesn't half way through the game, venom snake just go crazy and just says ''fuck this shit'' and start doing evil shit ?
>>345366309
Sorry, I was mistaken. I just kinda meant the entire area that MGS3 takes place in though.
>>345365703
>>345366283
Somebody post codec conversations. I'm not gonna look through hours and hours of codec to find it.
Or you can just believe me, I haven't made it up, senpai.
>>345366283
>Zanzibar Land, also spelled Zanzibarland, or simply Zanzibar, was a heavily fortified landlocked state in Central Asia, located between the former Soviet Union, China, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.
>Zanzibar Land was originally known as Tselinoyarsk, the Soviet region in which Big Boss carried out Operation Snake Eater during the 1960s. Following the Soviet Union's dissolution, Russia was unwilling to allow Tselinoyark to secede, due to its strategic position as a religious cushion between neighboring Muslim states. Russia sent its armed forces to invade, but failed to prevent the emergence of the newly independent Zanzibar Land.
>Source: Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (novelization)
>>345366495
Yep, he never cared about Quiet and left her to die alone because his true love, Paz was gone.
>>345366847
And here's the direct quote from the MGS4 novelization.
>When secession movements erupted in the Soviet republics of Central Asia, one territory remained crucial to the motherland as a religious cushion between the neighboring Muslim states, and the reformed Russian government wasn't about to let it go. As the Soviet military had invaded Afghanistan, the Russian armed forces were detached to the territory of Tselinoyarsk. Yet the child state, certainly no major military power, somehow prevailed in the conflict. According to rumor, one man had organized a mercenary army, supplied a torrent of arms, and provided training on the ground. The newly independent people named their country Zanzibar Land.
>>345366283
>>345366773
Not that anon, but
http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Tselinoyarsk#Unconfirmed_history
It's not from Kojima's mouth, but it's from novelizations he himself approved and said were alright. Remember, there is no set canon to Kojima anyways. So if shit doesn't contradict stuff in his games, it may as well be canon.
What I want to know is why the fuck Big Boss called his new country "Zanzibar Land" of all fucking things, when Zanzibar is already a real area in Africa.
>>345365703
>>345366062
>>345366847
>>345367021
Welp, thanks for the insight - it only makes Big Boss circa 1995-1999 even more twisted, going back to such a traumatic place to do such evil things
>>345367273
maybe he wanted to do it in Zanzibar but then said fuck it and moved to russia and forgot to change the name
>>345367905
wew
>>345367905
sounds like a thing he would do
>>345366984
Canonically, kojima hated David hayter. That's why kojima left hayter to die in that sound booth. Hayter loved kojima but it was pure autism on his end. Kojima left hayter to die alone because he never cared about him.
>>345367273
Because the original Outer Heaven was in Africa, it's literally Zanzibar's land.
>>345367273
Who knows with Big Boss. He might have just enjoyed Zanzibarian food.
>>345367470
>Big Boss's main base is Volgin's old base
>Big Boss has kept Volgin's comatose body ( infused with latent psychic power) under lock and key for the last decade
>Big Boss suddenly and inexplicably turns evil
Big Boss is possessed by Volgin's ghost, it's his final revenge. Hence why he sends Snake to kill Venom.
>>345368289
>>345366984
"big boss was quiet's one true love" guy incoming
(A) Fence
(B) Zanzibar Building (4 floors)
(C) Quagmire
(D) Maze Wood (The Lost Woods)
(E) Armory
(F) Confinement Cell
(G) Nariko-Desert
(H) Helipad
(I) Bridge of Sorrow (Crevice)
(J) Tower Building (30 floors)
(K) Highland
(L) Detention Camp
(M) Bio-Research Center
>tfw under 1000 people playing on PS4
>>345363132
I think you are underestimating how long 11 years is, and more importantly, no matter how you bitch about it, it's still canon, you never had a choice on what was 'canonical' in a retcon happy series that is MGS to begin with. You can bitch about how it doesn't make sense, you can say it's a shitty game, but in the end of the day, you cannot declare it not canon just because you don't like it.
>>345369380
I didn't mean to upset you.
>>345366984
Just like Tatyana never cared about Sokolov! She just wanted Volgin's Lightning Bolt Action™ cock! Can't you just admit that you're all wrong and that I'm right?
>>345369380
mgs 5 is not canon it's not complete and the game has been rushed
kojima was basically fired the game wasn't even released
>>345371043
>tatyana is the boss and the boss died in snakes hands
pottery
>mfw the Portable Ops ending was pretty much perfect to lead into MG1 but kojimbo threw a shitfit that its not canon because he didnt wrote/directed/produced/designed/catered/did stuntwork for/
Big Boss did evil stuff because he needed to prepare Solid Snake to the war against Cipher.
>>345363132
MGSV ruined B-Boss.
He was perfectly villanous in every other iteration of the timeline, all the way up to and including Peace Walker, but then V came to and fucked it up.
>>345372338
I hated the Porta Ops story because it basically dictated that Big Boss just ripped off the idea for Outer heaven from someone else because he had no ideas or drive himself. A completely blank, impressionable non-character.
Good game otherwise.
>>345372593
>perfectly villanous
>peace walker
>perfectly villanous
>MGS3
>>345371072
His name appears in the individual episode credits. It is canon. Eat a dick.
>>345373179
its not cannon and neither are Star Wars prequel
eat shit
>>345371043
Yeah Everyone is right on 4 chan.
Quiet did want Venom's snake but Venom hated her to much to even hate fuck her.
>>345375876
He didn't ever get a boner for Quiet like she wanted.
>>345375876
So that means you agree with me when Venom loved Quiet? Everyone IS right on 4chan after all, you said it yourself
>>345375876
Undoubtably Venom loved Quiet. He stopped her torture, saved her from death by the Soviets. Went after her when she ran away after Pequod arrived. Laughed, flirted, and embraced her in the rain.
>>345376241
>>345376458
definitely Venom let Quiet go and it hurt her because he hates her.
erasing her worthless ass won't give back the time she took.
He went to go kill her with a broken heart.
She was no one.
>>345377075
Except Venom didn't let Quiet go he went after her first to Lamar Khaate Palace and afterword following her footprints. Fighting 14 tanks to save Quiet's life was dedicated love.
>>345363132
There should be two X's in that picture.
>>345377241
He abandoned her as she looked on in heart break because he knew she was there. He could see and smell her.
>>345377438
What the fuck are you even saying
>>345373137
Well, I mean the SETUP for him becoming villainous later was perfect. Terribly sorry for the unclarity.
>>345377438
Now you're just lying to yourself. You said everyone on 4chan is right, but what if the points contradict each other? I think you need to give /v/ a break and find something else to be obsessive over, like cleaning your filthy house
>>345363132
>in the span of 11 years.
Do you realize how much can change in the span of ONE (1) year?
>>345377541
VENOM
SAW
QUIET
IN
THE
DISTANCE
AND
LEFT
HER
ALONE
AND
HEART
BROKEN
JUST
AS
PLANNED
>>345363132
It was all done to destoy the patriot AI
>>345377438
>>345377873
Quiet left Venom as Pequod arrived to pick the two of them up. Even so Venom chased after her following the footprints in the sand. Their love was mutual.
>>345377873
You seem to have a lot of delusions. Perhaps you should talk to a doctor about that.
>>345377763
there is only one canon and Venom never wanted to bring Quiet back. He was disgusted by her and left her alone and manipulated.
>>345378026
>their love was mutual
nope.
Quiet waited around for Venom to take her back to MB but he abandoned her because no one wanted her around, she wasn't a gf or a friend or a diamond dog, just an enemy.
Because he was the baddie in 1 and 2 and then later Kojima wanted to give him more depth and ended up writing him as a goody but did not manage to bridge the gap in the end because he kept writing himself into a good guy corner and V was a rushed, unfinished game.
That's it. Maybe you'll get a pachinko game explaining it someday.
>>345377362
>mfw I forgot to cross 1995 Venom Snake
What were you waiting for, people?
>>345368952
>Big Boss is possessed by Volgin's ghost
Actually after Liquid Ocelot this can be quite true...
>>345378724
I don't know if Volgin Snake is a cool or horrible idea, but I sorta like it
>>345377837
>Do you realize how much can change in the span of ONE (1) year?
This.
>>345363132
Hitler did damage in what like 5 years or some shit? Maybe less?
10 years is plenty of time.
>>345363132
1. Why does Volgin wants to revenge Snake when he has no reason to, he should more hunt down Eva. And how the fuck he can teleport and shit anyway? And even have flamehorse (and why is he on fire when he was hit by bolt?).
2. Why does game takes place in Africa and Afghanistan, places that will later become OH and Zanzibar, but does NOTHING with it.
3. What exactily is canon and not canon in PO. Haven't played it so don't know anything about it.
4. How and why does Liquid escape and how he returns and joins Foxhound? What even was a point of Eli beside to show that he was annoying shit even as a child?
>>345378861
It explains why BB tells his whole plan and motives in MG2 to SS though...
>>345378064
>>345378358
all of this and then some.
>>345379295
>What exactily is canon and not canon in PO
Nothing at all
>>345373043
>it basically dictated that Big Boss just ripped off the idea for Outer heaven from someone else because he had no ideas or drive himself.
I thought it was to set up a he who fights monster type of theme.I hated it because it turned Operation Snake Eater, a last minute scramble operation in response to a plan going off the rails into a Just as keikaku bullshit
Im too lazy to make a thread for this and this is the only metal gear thread on /v/ right now. Can someone recommend some good 80s or older music to add to my MGSV playlist?
Reminder that MG1 was a setup by the real Big Boss to dispose of his body double, who had abandoned BB's plans and was instead following the true will of The Boss to find world peace.
>>345379295
1. MGS always had some bosses with "supernatural"
psycho mantis
cyber wolf
the BB (cuties)
the sorrow
the pain
the fear
the end
2. because mgs5 is not canon
3. po -may- not be canon (it has a gret story but kojima seams distant with that title)
4. because mgs5 is not canon
>>345380462
>>>/mu/
I mean really as it looks like you're a pleb.
While MGS5 might not have sat as awfully with me if they'd actually FINISHED the game, I doubt it'd have changed much as the rest of the story simply didn't do anything but create more holes in the hole it was supposed to fill.
>>345377714
This. The way he throws Boss' bandana in PW... Yes, he moved on. But he also abandoned her ideals and considered AI's actions as "betrayal". I could perfectly see how he becomes his MG1-2 self from it.
How was ending a 28yo series about mechs equipped with nuclear warheads with a copypasted kino tutorial a good idea?
>>345363132
Where does Big Bonus fit in the timeline?
>>345380462
synthpop, new wave, nu-disco and hi-nrg
>venom and quiet danced together on New Order in the bathroom
MGSV is a video game distributed after MGS4 where you can play as the legendary soldier Big Boss. That's what I think of it as, a video game within the MGS universe. I know this is head cannon but I don't care it is the only way to make it not shit.
>>345380908
This, though I heard about some stiry leaks from 2014 that included some stuff that was indeed in the game (virus, Quiet's death, VB not being BB). But as far as it can be seen I think not much was missing because NOTHING was written in the first place. Whole game looks like Kojimbo actually wrote it as they developed it and never finished actualy script.
>>345381575
>>345363132
Because everybody except cipher, ocelot and Miller thinks that venom is bb. So, the acts pursued by bb are considered as venom's
>-dismantled every nuclear weapon in the world
Not canon
>-wants world peace
When ?
>-uses his mentor's will as a maxim
That doesn't make him good
>-avoided the extinction of the human race (no language, no civilisation)
He did it for the sake of diamond dogs
>-liberated child soldiers
To bring them to MB. To later work for him of course
>-liberated the world
He did it because it's in his best interest
>>345380626
>2. because mgs5 is not canon
kek
>>345363132
>if we are to follow MGS 5
MGS5 is canon retard
>>345382187
There is a difference between saying "if we are to follow" and MGSV is not canon. You can choose to ignore a part of the canon, it doesn't make it non-canon but you can ignore it.
all this talk makes me want to go and play MG2, should I do it ?
>>345382460
Yes, MG2 is amazing and I like it better than MGS1 honestly.
>>345382552
Should I emulate the MSX version or just go for the one that comes in MGS3 ?
>>345382460
>raiden
nope fami
>>345382810
He said metal gear not MGS
reminder that mgsv(enom) is not mgs5
What is with this fucking thread? The tone and the way everyone is talking makes it seem like this is all right out of someone's fucking fever dream.
>>345382802
I think you can just play the MGS3 one I don't think there are any major differences. The only difference I know of is that the character portraits are drawn by Yoji Shinkawa instead of taken from hollywood movies. I like them better this way because it fits well with MGS but it's up to you which one you want.
>>345383002
are you alright?
>>345383002
a bunch of fans are deciding what is and isn't part of the story based on whether they like it. same shit as usual.
HOW'S PO GUYS?
>>345383271
Not bad but prepare to drag guards obscene distances to recruit, it's basically Proto-Peace Walker.
>>345381908
Quiet's death was not in game you shit poster, Yeah she died heartbroken because he abandoned her, but that's paz that Venom mourned and grieved.
>>345381539
No one danced with Quiet, to dance you have to reciprocate and Venom only hates her.
>>345383409
Well no fucking shit, she died. Her strain of the virus would kill her, along with anyone nearby. Ahe went to the desert to avoid taking Venom or anyone else with her.
>>345383556
Venom planned to get her to speak.
It was ultimately in vain.
It'll be explained in Chapter 3.
:^)
>>345383261
>Konami decides to release Metal Gear Solid 6: The Word Cup
>Big Boss after hearing Venom Snake was defeated in 1995 retires and becomes a professional soccer player.
>He's preparing for the 1998 World Cup
>Game ends with Japan winning the World Cup
>Based on a original story by Hideo Kojima
All canon
>>345383750
>implying chapter 3 was planned
>implying there is even finished script to begin with
Even mission 51 wouldn't closure much, only Eli's arc.
>>345383910
This is why I hate the concept of canon, Konami could just make it so that Big Boss was literally a dinosaur from the cretaceous period and that Snake is Pterodactyl and it would now be canon. Then you would have fags entering threads where you talk about MGS (the one we know and love) and they would get mad if you don't constantly reference the fact that Solid Snake is now a Pterodactyl.
>>345383735
it was in vain for her to speak*
because pequod knew where they were exactly.
>>345383910
>>345384210
I would play both of those games with a open heart
Venom Snake played Quiet like a fucking $20 guitar.
>>345363132
>is a war hero
that's what YOU think because you played as him
when was the last time a bad guy believed himself to be a villain? that's right fucking never
>How can a man change THIS much in the span of 11 years. It doesn't make any sense.
Oh yeah because he totally didn't feel shit after he killed the boss and refused to shake hands with the president.
Oh yeah because he totally didn't start recruting soldiers forcefully in portable ops.
Oh yeah because he totally didn't recruit child soldiers like Chico and build his own fucking metal gear in the name of "deterrence" which was just proven false during peace walker.
Oh yeah because he totally didn't go apeshit after killing The Boss AI throwing his bandana away and claiming she betrayed and forsook him.
Oh yeah because he totally didn't sell his best man to take his place as body double and act as bait and slaughter-house for foxhound for years while he built his insane reign.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6pVXR9ZoOQ
The change was visible and Snake Eater was enough to imagine how he would become a war-mongering villain after what he was forced to do, even without those stupid sequels that nobody asked for, MGS4 was the perfect ending to the saga, Phantom Pain is what happens when you pull the rope for too long and it fucking breaks on you, Kojima can go die in a fire.
>>345386687
1. Not enough to warrant becoming a master vilain and doing all he did in MG and MG2
2. >forcefully
3. No force was used
4. Not enough to warrant becoming a master vilain and doing all he did in MG and MG2
5. >bestman
The soldier would have done anything for his boss, that doesn't make him his bestman (Miller) and Big Boss learned of the plan WHEN IT WAS ALREADY IN MOTION - Ocelot and Zero are the one was thought it all when Big Boss was in a coma.
