why can't western dev make fun turn based combat ?
SMTIV was fucking dogshit though.
Smirk, stat changes, retarded guest AI, and many more aspects of it were just terrible.
>>345328634
nobody can
>>345328747
play smt nocturne
>>345328730
no, it's just smirk, which made the bad guest ai an actual problem
dogshit is too strong a word though
>>345328634
DD is infinitely more fun.
Divinity Original Sin. Bastard Bonds. Underrail.
Op is a fag
>>345329367
>confusing tactical RPG combat with the traditional turn based that OP is clearly referring to
No, you're the fag, and a dumbass to boot.
>>345328634
>Darkest Dungeon
>Fun
Pick one
>>345328730
>Stat changes
What?
>>345329327
If you like shitty flash games, maybe
>>345330537
>Darkest Dungeon
>not fun
There can be no hope in this hell, no hope at all.
>>345330205
>turn based combat isn't turn based combat
???
Banner saga combat system is quite fun, tbhonest
>>345328730
The only bad thing about it was retarded guest ai, it made smirk a fucking chore
Other than that SMTIV is fucking awesome
>>345331001
I also like DD but it's a bit too grindy.
>>345328634
The west invented turn based combat.
Without it your weeb games wouldn't exist.
>>345330205
>no not that turn based combat, the other turn based combat
>>345328634
Shut your whore mouth op
>>345331330
Literally the worst Tactical RPG I have played in my life
>>345328634
>nipponese games
>good turn based combat
Pick one and only one.
The best turn based jap game is Valkyria Chronicles and even that isn't great.
>>345328730
>Retard AI
I finally have an excuse to post this.
ITT shitters that got rekt
>>345332001
Yeah I know it's..fun
>>345329367
>underrail
still don't get how a single slav managed to do what several decades worth of highly paid game devs couldn't: make 1-character turn based combat fun
>>345332630
>western games
>good turn based combat
Pick one and only one.
The best turn based west game is Undertale and even that isn't great.
>>345328634
What is XCOM?
sup niggers
>>345333541
Fun bullshit is what it is.As long as you don't play ironman otherwise it's sad bullshit
Press turn is not that great
Way to easy to break
What's the game below DD? I don't usually play games for kids.
>>345332982
Do you have to bring them on the last fight to get the cheevo? I think I brought them to an earlier DD quest and while they both survived they obviously couldn't go on the last one.
>>345334003
>Do you have to bring them on the last fight
Yes.
>>345333945
Did you just "I only play mature games for mature gamers like myself :^)"
It's smtiv and rated M
>>345334071
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. I stopped playing after beating it and hitting a brick wall trying to do NG+.
>>345331330
Overfall is even better hexes are based squads are dogshit
>>345334098
Anime is for children and if you think otherwise seek profesional help.
>>345334260
Kill yourself, my man.
>>345334337
After you, my fellow depressed manchildren.
>>345334260
>Anine
I see the confusion. You think Persona is Shin Megami Tensei.
>>345332982
>He can't defeat the heart of darkness without anyone dying
Just started playing Darkest Dungeon, any tips for beginners?
>>345335034
Lube up.
Get a pack of tissues.
Notify your doctor and ask him to give you some benzos.
Understand that adversity and existance are one and the same.
>>345331330
Alright time for some REALISTIC VIKING COMBAT
but don't kill no bad guys pls just weaken them all a little bit or else their full health strong guys will get more turns than you ;)
>>345335034
Level up the Stage Coach to bring you at least 4 heroes every week. Do this before anything else.
>>345335034
upgrade the blacksmith and guild afap
upgrade either the cloister OR the pub
bring jesters to the warrens and the weald
bring plague doctors to the ruins and the cove
occultist and grave robber are a memes
>>345335034
Upgrade the stagecoach, upgrade the fuck out of it. Stagecoach > everything else
Speed > Any other stat barring damage
Deeds > Busts > Portraits > Crests
Food is the single most important provision and the one you should stock up before any other
Hellion is broken, Man-at-arms is broken
There is a curio (object you can interact with) that asks you to put a torch into it. Doing so has a chance to yield a very rare ancestral trinket
Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer
>>345328634
>>345335465
>Occultist and Grave robber are memes
GR is a one-shotting machine in begginer and veteran dungeons. She does fall off in champion ones though
And occultist is better than vestal in almost all regards
>>345335562
>>345335725
>And occultist is better than vestal in almost all regards
>>345335465
>occultist
>meme
>i like shit heals
>>345335725
>And occultist is better than vestal in almost all regards
He's not that bad when you give him the trinket that reduces bleed chance. Still, reliable heals, a stun and her camping skills > occultist's pitiful damage and shit camping skills
>>345334349
Holy shit someone else who played this. My fucking nigga.
>>345335562
>There is a curio (object you can interact with) that asks you to put a torch into it. Doing so has a chance to yield a very rare ancestral trinket
How do you sleep at night?
>>345332001
Play stella glow and come back.
>>3453359460
>>345335725
Anyone is good in the shitter dungeons, shitter
>>345336007
Divine Comfort alone makes her better.
>>345335562
>There is a curio (object you can interact with) that asks you to put a torch into it. Doing so has a chance to yield a very rare ancestral trinket
>>345335034
>No one has mentioned the Jesters
Upgrade one with dirk stab, the area bleed, the speedy tune and the sanity song.
>>345332796
>tfw minitaur was fucking easy
So, is minitaur's the matador of smt4? Because both easy shits are overhyped.
>>345336421
The thing with minotaur is that if you are unlucky and get walter, you can easily get fucked as he'll give minotaur smirk. Otherwise you should be fine.
>>345336716
Yeah, I noticed that shit right away. Then I realized that I could just reset the game and get another partner.
>>345336420
I'd rather Solo+Finale with full speed gear. Debuffing foes and one-shotting squishy motherfuckers all day erryday.
>>345336421
He isn't easy, he's poorly designed. Your AI partners have the chance to give him Smirks, especially Walter, he has high crit, high damage, high health, multi-hitting attacks and a powerful debuff.
If you beat it easily it's not because you're good, it's because RNG was benevolent with you or you knew about him beforehand and exploited the fuck out of Press Turn. Even with 4 Demon Bufu spam he can still shit on you if luck isn't at your side, like he did with me on my last playthrough.
Asura is where tears start rolling, holy shit fuck that guy and fuck Nozomi.
>>345328634
western dev can't make good action combat too.
>>345336007
>>345335942
Vestal has
>shit damage. her attack can only be used from pos 1-2 and on the first 2 enemies
>Shit stun with low chance and low accuracy
>1 good single-target heal
>1 crappy party-wide heal
>1 laughable debuff
>Another laughable debuff that has bonus vs unholy, but still deals shit damage and unholy is the least common enemy type
Meanwhile Occultist has
>Shit damage but at least he has a high crit chance and bonus vs eldritch, the most common enemy type. His attack can also be used from pos 3 and on enemies 1-2-3
>An attack with bonus vs eldritch that targets post 2 and 3
>An actually good debuff that turns the swine king and the corrupted giants into a joke
>A mark with -dodge ideal to combine with heroes that deal bonus damage to marked
>A heal that may or may not fuck you over, but at least it heals for a big amount (when it does)
>A stun with better accuracy than vestal's
>A pull that clears corpses
>better camp skills
Antiquarian is best DD class anyways
>>345328634
So since this has become a general, is banner saga one of the better western turn based combat games?
>>345337238
>shit damage
Judgment does good damage with decent crit and it heals her.
>1 crappy party-wide heal
Divine Comfort is one of the most powerful abilities in the game. You'll be crying tears of joy when it crits the entire party for 14+ each.
>Occultist
>better camp skills
>>345337391
A bit too unforgiving if your every move is not 100% strategically efficient if you ask me
>>345337238
>swine prince
>occultist debuff
>has problems with giants and the corpse mechanic
>>>>>>>better camp skills
stopped reading there, git gud
>>345337391
The best Western is XCOM
>>345336860
Good for you, you're not retarded. Minotaurs and matadors shit isn't that they are hard (Usually it only takes one death to figure out what you ought to do.) but that it's basically a meme to say how difficult they are. Nobody actually has any real trouble with either, unless they are retarded.
>>345337238
>even with +healing trinkets, Wyrd Reconstitution can still heal for 0
>and does often enough
Hes better as utility through debuffs, marks, and pulls, but Vestal completely trumps him when it comes to healing.
>>345337991
>even with +healing trinkets, Wyrd Reconstitution can still heal for 0
Well, the bonus heal from trinkets is a % of the base heal. +99% of 0 is still 0, so...
You want the game to just hand you free healing points or something? C'mon, son.
>>345338407
The point is his only heal consistently heals for low amounts, even none at all, wasting not only his turn, a trinket slot, and potentially a hero's life.
>>345335120
>>345335401
>>345335465
>>345335562
>>345336420
Thanks, guess I better get to work then, by the way are lepers useful? I really like the idea of high damage output despite having low accuracy.
>>345333367
>The best turn based west game is Undertale and even that isn't great.
Supreme high quality ajax bait
>>345337238
I think you don't understand that Vestal is a dedicated healer that should do nothing but heal, everything else is pretty much irrelevant
Occultist Iis a part-time healer that fits well in marking parties, especially with arbalest and her heals received buff on bandage
Vestal:
>shit damage. her attack can only be used from pos 1-2 and on the first 2 enemies
Irrelevant.
>Shit stun with low chance and low accuracy
Irrelevant.
>1 good single-target heal
Very important.
>1 crappy party-wide heal
It heals for more overall allows to take the whole party out of the deaths door. It's very useful in shitty situations.
>1 laughable debuff
Irrelevant.
>Another laughable debuff that has bonus vs unholy, but still deals shit damage and unholy is the least common enemy type
Irrelevant.
>Shit damage but at least he has a high crit chance and bonus vs eldritch, the most common enemy type. His attack can also be used from pos 3 and on enemies 1-2-3
Irrelevant even for a part-time hearer.
>An attack with bonus vs eldritch that targets post 2 and 3
Irrelevant even for a part-time hearer.
>An actually good debuff that turns the swine king and the corrupted giants into a joke
Useful for a part-time healer.
>A mark with -dodge ideal to combine with heroes that deal bonus damage to marked
Very useful in marking parties.
>A heal that may or may not fuck you over
It's dogshit and you know it. The game has enough random factors, healing should not be one of them.
>but at least it heals for a big amount (when it does)
Doesn't make up for the situations when it heals for 0 when the hero is on deaths door.
His heal is unaccepatable for a dedicated healer.
>A stun with better accuracy than vestal's
Useful for a part-time healer.
>A pull that clears corpses
Kinda useful.
>better camp skills
Vestal has an ability to cure deaths door debuff, just that makes her better.
I think you can see the difference in their roles. Not to mention Vestal has better healing trinkets.
>>345338614
If you give them +Accuracy trinkets or have someone who can buff his accuracy, yes, i find them goodI still prefers hellions though
>>345338614
The lepers can crit for insane amounts of damage with good gear.
Be sure to have a man at arms by your side with the 2 buffs so your leper can go apeshit.
>>345338828
>Vestal has an ability to cure deaths door debuff, just that makes her better.
No she does not. Occultist has
>>345335562
>There is a curio (object you can interact with) that asks you to put a torch into it. Doing so has a chance to yield a very rare ancestral trinket
Post your favorite class right now my fellow anons.
>>345339496
>>345339496
lods of emone and forcing guard on allies
>>345339350
>shitter in charge of reading comprehension
>>345339496
>>345339672
>>345339719
>memeing this hard
>>345339905
>jester
>bad
He will come here to laugh at you, in the end.jpg
X-COM Apocalypse, the best turn based strategy video game, was made by Americans though. And Silent Storm was made by Russians which generally count as western.
>>345339798
Are you being retarded on purpouse? Vestal cannot remove Death's door debuff from someone. She can get someone OUT of death's door (so can anyone with a heal, even the antiquarian's crappy one), but the debuff remains
Here you go
>>345339905
How am i memeing faggot? I like antiquarian because she is a money-making machine, not for her (non-existent) combat abilities
>>345328634
Don't even try
>>345339719
>get afflicted
>pulls off head wrap
>is beautiful
Loose hair skin when?
>>345328634
u wot m8?
>>345340156
Not sure if trolling but in no way is Xcom Apoc better than any other Xcom game save Enforcer/Interceptor.
>>345328634
>>345335034
You should be fine with this.
>>345340291
HoMM 6 was better.
>>345340291
King's Bounty>HoMM combat. Prove me wrong.You can't.
>>345328634
you mean FFX was fun? eat a fuck negro
>m-muh cloister of trials ;__;
>>345341367
but they are literally the same?
>>345341485
Nope, KB has action points so KB units can do more multiple actions per turn which makes all the difference.
>>345335753
>>345336060
>>345336256
>>345339368
Well he is technically right.
>>345335562
>find the Altar in the first level
>get rekt like there is no tomorrow
This is no place for the weak, or the foolhardy.
>>345342098
You will endure this loss, and learn from it.
>>345328634
Most of the so called JRPG turn based combat is shallow as fuck. Its just there for the sake of being there. It definitely can't compare to stuff like Disciples, HoMM, kings Bounty, AOW Shadow magic and so on that specifically focus on gameplay.
>>345342497
Well there is a reason OP posted a SMT game because SMT games are of the few JRPGs where the turn based combat is good and has more to its core gameplay then attack/heal overall.
>>345340763
It's weird. I go through D:OS and I think the combat's great in tactician mode, but why does the voice acting and the plot have to be so mediocre? Even when they're making fun of themselves, it sounds kinda cliche and corny.
>>345328634
nice bait, DD combat is more fun than shallow weebshit
TMS #FE has a fucking great and rewarding battle system.
I'm hoping DQ XI is fast paced and good too.
>>345342895
EE VA was a step backwards. They didn't really have a budget for it but nu-gamers refuse to play games without VA so they had to put something in.
Plotline was a bit too whimsical, DivOS2 is supposed to be better. They said they learned from their mistakes.
>>345342968
>No more mechanical depth then even the lowest of the low FF game
>Regular built in RNG with more RNG mechanics on top of it
>Have to avoid shit like books because the chance of RNG being shit is far higher then it being good
Its a shit game that only gets praise because its "hard" when it reality most of the "difficulty" comes from the RNG and /v/ hypocritically praises it despite calling so much shit artificial difficulty when that is what DD is.
>playing SMT IV as my first SMT game
>it's pretty fun and I really like the music
>but my main character gets fucking decimated by demons way too easily
It's really annoying. Hate getting one to two shotted in this shit.
>>345343708
Use buffs faggot
>>345343708
>playing SMT IV as my first SMT game
In most games you get a game over when the MC dies.
>>345344397
What buffs? I'm only level 5 btw. I'm going in blindly with this game so I'm not looking up strategies and stuff. Also, how do I scout that stupid fairy demon in naraku? She keeps denying me.
>mfw she makes fun of me before she leaves the battle
Reminder that SMTcucks parrot the opinions of Bernie sanders, rasenbran, and Spoony
>>345344810
/thread
>>345328730
>no smirk
>merge vit into str
SMT4 is instantly fixed.
>>345328634
>darkest dungeon
>not fun
>play nocturne xD
Nocturne sucks ebola ridden shit, Strange Journey is 10x better
>>345344810
Rasen and Spoony are both sjw's correct?
>>345341257
This is fucking glorious.
>>345347053
It stops being fun once you hit Champion dungeons, it just gets too grindy with no noew content or mechanics whatsoever.
And even if you manage to grind enough to get to DD itself, the fact that you need a whole new party for each level is fucking terrible. It basically means you have to grind 18 lvl 6 heroes (preferably with good quirks) all over again.
Game is really good in terms of atmposphere/art and risk managment, but it's just too damn grindy.
This guy did a nice review on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Buwei6ZWqU
>>345328634
Jagged Alliance 2, Wizardry 8, HoMM3, and Divinity OS are all solid turn based games.
>>345330205
Retard
>>345344801
Naraku's probably the hardest part, then after that everything should be relatively easy with the exception of Beelzebub or the fiends if you aren't actually decent and are just relying on crutches.
Also quit being a bitch. Demons hate that. Very rarely will they join you if you give them everything.
