How can you possibly still defend them now?
https://twitter.com/devolverdigital/status/466577590606520320
http://www.pcgamer.com/natural-selection-2-developer-deactivates-over-a-thousand-steam-keys-warns-of-shady-resellers/
https://www.engadget.com/2014/06/30/over-7-000-stolen-sniper-elite-3-steam-keys-revoked/
http://www.destructoid.com/-fraudulent-elder-scrolls-online-steam-keys-revoked-292837.phtml
https://www.destructoid.com/riot-bans-key-reseller-g2a-from-sponsoring-league-teams-314273.phtml
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB6GehT2b-c&feature=youtu.be&t=15m26s
http://www.destructoid.com/ubisoft-kills-copies-of-far-cry-4-sold-through-third-parties-286686.phtml
http://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/luB9P/blackwell-deception
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2014/03/28/retailer-scam-resells-humble-bundle-games-reaps-profit.aspx
http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/LeszekLisowski/20141001/226840/How_to_get_every_game_on_STEAM_for_free.php
http://tinybuild.com/g2a-sold-450k-worth-of-our-game-keys
http://blog.indiegamestand.com/featured-articles/steam-key-reselling-killing-little-guys/
Aaaaand why should we care?
All of my G2A games still work... so why should I give any fucks?
>>345299216
Purchasing stolen goods is illegal and fruedulent in most countries. Its only a matter of time before major game publishers take sites like this as well as the retards who buy stolen keys to court
>>345299306
I still don't see how this concerns me
>>345299416
if you buy keys from G2A it should.
>>345299457
Why?
>>345299457
I don't though. I'm not poor.
>>345299102
who?
also I will continue buying from them because good devs don't care
>>345299491
The game gets deactivated and you lose a days worth of income.
>>345299457
>>345299551
they still work after like 3 years passed from activation
> days worth of income
kek'd
>>345299551
Have you seen how cheap games are? Way worth the risk
did you guys not check the dates of those articles? they date back to 2013
made me think these were all recent
>>345299601
i guess you missed the part where its illegal and sometime soon your ass will be in jail for a very long time. Piracy gets you 10 years and it doesnt even actually hurt the company, people who steal keys and sell them are quite literally stealing from these big game publishers. How fucking retarded are you to think they arent going to take G2A to court, get them be forced to hand over all transaction details for the IP addresses, and them sue you for everything you have.
Do you live under a rock?
>>345299754
Buying stolen goods isn't a crime. Ignoring ethical implications, it's less of pain in the ass to just seize the property back, and punish the seller.
>>345299754
good luck getting my ukrainian ass into court for anything "illegal" while we still have stores that openly sell $5 windows dvds and pirated games. if anything I would be praised as a model consumer and a nice guy
they can have my address if they want not only ip. like I said good luck fighting piracy in pirate heaven. oh wait it's not even piracy
>>345299926
>Buying stolen goods isn't a crime.
actually it is if you know the keys were stolen, and now that everyone here knows they are stolen, you have nowhere left to hide
>>345299102
Why are they making such a big deal over this now when Gamestop has been doing the same thing for decades?
>>345299754
I'll never understand why so many retards are willing to become potential scammer enablers instead of just pirating or waiting for sales, but playing the "it's illegal and unethical" card on fucking /v/ isn't going to work, my friend.
>>345300039
gamestop doesnt steal keys. They buy them from the publishers.
Sites like G2A use stolen credit cards to buy bulk keys and then resell them before the publisher realizes they keys were bought with stolen money. Not to mention the fact when they owner of the stolen credit card realizes all that stuff was purchased, the publishers actually end up having to pay them back and they wind up with LESS money than they did to begin with
>>345300019
>everyone knows
Lolno
>>345300235
You do, and thats all that matters
>>345299306
How do you know they're stolen? Do they have a little red hand on them in real life like in Oblivion?
>>345300302
>How do you know they're stolen?
are you fucking retarded? look at all the links in the op
>>345300278
how are they gonna prove I was aware
>>345299102
The fuckers got paid fair and square for the keys, the keys got resold by someone the publisher doesn't like, so the publisher stole them back.
Only a complete kochsucker could think that's okay.
>>345300209
Oh, well that sounds super duper illegal. The feds should've shut them down like yesterday.
>>345300383
>The fuckers got paid fair and square for the keys,
hi g2a shill. You arent fooling anyone when the publishers can quite easily prove they were bought with stolen credit cards.
>>345300381
this thread
>>345299491
Because there's no reason you should be paying G2A in the first place when you can pirate. Especially when there's always a chance of your key being deactivated.
Why be a complete retard and defend G2A when you can get fucked over by them?
>>345300502
>this thread
lmao ok buddy
>>345300502
sup
tell me more how you gonna shut me down while I buy more games
Yes, yes, OP. We get it. You have to sell your shitty game and people are wiser.
>>345300374
Too lazy. Is it just cheap=stolen?
>>345300531
>Because there's no reason you should be paying G2A in the first place when you can pirate
Fucking this, really.
If you're going to buy the game don't half-ass it and do grey market stupidity. Just pirate the game if you want to be cheap. Buying grey market makes you cheap and also a fucking halfwit.
>>345300563
oh its not me, its publishers like Bethesda, Warner Bros, Ubisoft, Activision, etc etc.
You know the multi billion dollar corporations that love money and dont like faggot stealing from them? This is not the same as piracy, this is quite literally stealing
>>345300563
Nobody is gonna bother to shut you down anon. All we can do is warn you and if you still choose to act like a fool, we ain't stopping ya. It's your money, do what you want. I don't care.
Just don't come crying back when your keys gets deactivated.
>>345300502
its cute you think that people who bought keys off that site are gonna be threatened with jail time/sued, the keys are just gonna get revoked
>>345299102
>Twitter post from 2014
Yea fuck off. I don't care I've bought probably 10 games from them got my keys no problem.
>>345300381
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse, at least not in the US.
>>345299102
Some of those posts are from 3 years ago, why do you post it as something new?
I'm not going to stop buying them btw.
>>345300685
what about playing online.
>>345299306
>Its only a matter of time before major game publishers take sites like this as well as the retards who buy stolen keys to court
You might actually be retarded if you think they would try to charge anyone who bought a key from g2a or others they wouldn't have a case to stand on, most key sellers are legit businesses and actually charging anyone who bought from them would involve proving that they actually knew that the specific key they bough was stolen.
>>345300731
Its cute that you think they wont be when this happened
https://torrentfreak.com/uk-bill-introduces-10-year-prison-sentence-for-online-pirates-160706/
Its only a matter of time before more countries follow suit and they go after stolen keys too. How unbelievably naive and underage do you have to be to not understand how much these companies love money and how much they hate faggots like you stealing from them?
>>345299280
Yeah this, I've never bought from g2a specifically but I've bough from kinguin and others and never had a single problem so why would I stop
>>345300859
>most key sellers are legit businesses
We arent talking about legit key sellers, we are talking about extremely illegelitate key sellers like G2A. Nice moving goal posts.
>unironical anti-piracy threads
>unironical anti-CD Key website threads
Who are you trying to fool exactly, Goldstein?
>>345299102
Quality thread.
>>345300947
>illegelitate
illegitimate
>>345300973
Here we go.
If you're cheap or poor, just pirate.
>>345300502
Would that make ebay illegal as well? Because people have been selling stolen shit on that for ages.
>>345299457
So many of those links are super fucking old. I still have my Far Cry 4 and so does my friend, and we still have Sniper Elite v3
>>345300954
stealing is for niggers and subhumans. Go back to africa, you arent wanted here.
Piracy is not stealing, but buying stolen goods is 100% stealing
>>345300649
No because the people selling the keys still "pay" full price.
They can tell when their games are bought in bulk and then get contacted by the bank of the person who's stolen credit card was used to buy them.
>>345300973
rolling for best girl
>>345301063
t. Schlomo Rosenberg
>>345301032
Thanks to denuvo you can't pirate shit
>>345300973
Welp, let's go.
>>345299754
Imagine a world where every illegal download gets you jail time.
Imagine a prison every corner to hold every citizen.
And finally, imagine just how fucking retard you are for thinking that people go to jail because of a fucking video game they bought from G2A.
I work at a friend's electronic store and I get all the free games I want.
>>345300973
rolling>>345300973
I'll stop using a CD-key websites when prices start to get competitive. Why would I buy something for double the price of the same product that has no physical value what so ever?
>>345301039
It's true. I bought a stolen wrist watch on Ebay in 2006. I'm typing this from jail right now. Gonna have to go soon, the guy I share a cell with is giving me that look again.
>>345301039
If they can prove that you had atleast a suspicion that you purchased something illegal than yes.
>>345301046
>unironically admitting to purchasing stolen keys
Its like you are just asking them to sue you
Not only that, but because of being in this thread you can no longer use the defense you didnt know they were stolen
>>345301032
>>345301063
And if I pirate i'll get the angry Denuvo shills telling me to pirate.
So what i'm going to do is not listen to any of you since you are just random neckbeards on /v/ and as such, I should not pay any attention to anything said here.
>>345300947
I mean legit as in a registered business dumbass you can go on there site and get their business registration number if you want, so even if their products may be stolen anyone visiting their site would have no reason to suspect that they were.
>>345300812
>why do you post it as something new?
One good example would be what happened to Mangagamer earlier this year. People buy a shitload of steam keys directly from Mangagamer with stolen credit cards. One chargeback hits, Mangagamer has to pay back every purchase made with stolen credit card on to of 20 bucks fine for every fraud transaction. Shit like this can cripple smaller game companies. And those with stolen keys most likely sell em at places like G2A for a high discount. That is why places like G2A have keys much cheaper than every single retail and online store. No other way to really get them so cheap.
This is why devs prefer it if people just pirated the game instead of buying from shady third party websites. Especially small companies that can't afford to pay all those fines and fees.
http://nichegamer.com/2016/02/15/manga-gamer-temporarily-halts-sales-due-to-fraudulent-credit-card-transactions/
>>345300973
C'mon tomboy
>>345301130
Why not pirate games like a normal person instead of paying people to steal it for you?
>>345300973
cant stop, wont stop
>>345301094
>anyone who isnt pro stealing is a jew
kill yourself
>>345300973
rollin for fatty
>>345300830
If you care that much about online shit, buy the game from an actual accredited source.
For not online shit, fuck this shady shit, just pirate it. It's more honest.
>>345301220
Why would a non-jew care about all this?
>>345301160
>If they can prove that you had atleast a suspicion that you purchased something illegal than yes.
Yeah. But if someone at some point bought something illegal, why would that affect me?
Otherwise it's impossible to know if a game was stolen or not before you buy it.
>>345301210
Online
>>345301190
>This is why devs prefer it if people just pirated the game instead of buying from shady third party websites. Especially small companies that can't afford to pay all those fines and fees.
I don't really care about what the devs prefer.
It's not my problem.
If you want to remove G2A, remove denuvo
Otherwise we will steal your shit and you will suck our dicks
>>345300973
wew
>2014
>>345301210
Convenience and online mainly.
>>345301242
>It's more honest.
Who gives a fuck?
>>345301171
>would have no reason to suspect that they were.
the hundreds of articles all over the internet talking about this, especially on reddit, quite literally proves you wrong. MOST people have heard about this by now.
IF you google G2A one of the first links that pops up is "is g2a safe"
>>345301190
Thanks for that. Smaller publishers get completely raped by charge backs with stolen credit cards and all the shills unironically defending it are beyond disgusting.
>>345301328
this
when these poop butt indie devs stop charging 30 dollars for incomplete trash ill start thinking about giving them money
>>345300973
Tomboy roll
>>345301171
I can register like five corporations over the phone in an hour, being a 'registered business' means almost nothing.
>>345299102
Are these keys even really stolen? I thought the gimmick was they buy shit in pesos and resell them to Americans for USD?
Is this another one of those "I'm not making as much money as I SHOULD be making, so you've stolen the profit from from me!!!" anti-consumer things like with "used games are basically piracy" shit?
>>345301246
because of shit like this
>>345301190
>>345301190
>>345301190
are you fucking retarded?
>>345301298
>But if someone at some point bought something illegal, why would that affect me?
Because the key you brought can be revoked and you lose the game you paid for.
> Otherwise it's impossible to know if a game was stolen or not before you buy it.
That's half true. You do know that if you buy from legit stores like Steam.. it's 100% NOT stolen.
On the other hand... if you buy from G2A, you very well know that it COULD be stolen. Maybe, maybe not, but that's your choice to buy from some shady place. So you better not bitch about it if your key gets revoked.
>>345301457
I don't see how that's my problem.
>>345301320
>I don't really care about what the devs prefer.
>It's not my problem.
Then it's not their problem if your key gets revoked.
>>345301469
>So you better not bitch about it if your key gets revoked.
So basically you are all getting mad and shouting at everyone because of the possibility that people COULD get mad?
What's up with this autism?
>>345301452
Some keys are actually sold to them by companies. Some are giveaways. Some are sold by people who got a code, but don't want it. Some are sold by people who bought them during a sale or in another country for a smaller price. Some are sold by people who stole credits cards, bought game codes, and sold them to G2A.
>>345300973
This reddit image triggers me
>>345301469
>a game from steam cant be revoked
hello shill
>>345301452
They reason we know they are stolen is because when the owners of the stolen credit cards realized they have been fucked over, they issue chargebacks on all the keys purchased on the credit cards. If you actually looked at any of the links in the OP you would know this.
Its VERY easy to prove the keys are stolen with chargeback claims
>>345300973
rolin
>>345301541
>Then it's not their problem if your key gets revoked.
I don't think I said it is.
I like how these guys are calling people who buy from key sites shills
Quite the ironing there
>Because the key you brought can be revoked and you lose the game you paid for
.
Yeah, if you buy like a AAA game on the first month on release. Which is just retarded anyways.
I've bought like every single game in the past year on sites like G2A and never had anything strange happen to me, in like 3-4 years of using sites like them. So I'll go with my own experiences rather than some randoms off the internet.
>On the other hand... if you buy from G2AYou get the same game at a cheaper price with no issues?
>>345301554
Do you really think I'm shouting at you? I'm just reasoning with logic and reasoning here. You're the one accusing people of getting mad and shouting.
You don't care about devs getting fucked over. So they don't care when you get fucked over either when they revoke your key. That's all I'm saying here.
>>345299102
>faggots bitch and moan about pirates
>decide to find the absolute cheapest game keys
>faggots bitch and moan about people buying 3rd party keys
why?
>>345301386
So what game company do you work for? Genuinely curious as the amount of articles and research you have on this goes way beyond what I would expect from a regular consumer.
>>345300973
Please give me a loli.
>>345300973
Lets roll
>>345301684
>You don't care about devs getting fucked over. So they don't care when you get fucked over either when they revoke your key. That's all I'm saying here.
I don't think anyone cares about this, we all know very well they could get deactivated at any time, but people keep buying because those cases are so rare they make it to the headlines when it happens.
>>345301621
> I don't think I said it is.
I never said it was their problem either. However, it becomes YOUR problem once your key gets revoked.
>>345301660
>shady site uses stolen credit cards to make money selling goods
>hires people to go on places like reddit and 4chan to try to make it seem like they are legit knowing full well a lot of people on here use their site
Its so obviously shilling its not even funny and you arent fooling anyone nigger.
>>345300973
rolling for best girl
>>345301684
So esentially.
>buy a game on steam, devs try to fuck you every chance they get
>buy a game on G2A, devs try to fuck you every chance they get, but you get the game for cheaper
Sounds tough.
>>345299102
>ubishit
>Natural shitlection 2 (Honestly, that game is garbage)
>Indie shit in general
People with bad taste BTFO I guess.
>>345301171
The law specifies that you are not liable as long as it's "reasonable" that you could assume that what you're buying is legitimate.
That doesn't hold up very well when someone is selling something surprisingly 30 dollars cheaper than the high street.
>b-but officer, he's a legitimate business, how could I know these keys were gotten illegitimately when they're selling way under market value?!
>>345299102
>2013
>>345301759
No, actual shilling would be constant threads about buying CD Keys, outside of this thread, you won't get anyone talking about it.
Pic related is how shilling looks like.
>>345301720
>So what game company do you work for?
im a currently unemployed tranny who graduated a liberal arts college with a degree in Audio Engineering.
I know about this kind of stuff because at the college i went to there was an animation department and some of the animation students i knew decided to make an indie game together. Guess what happened
>>345301720
Probably made some shitty indie game nobody bought and then when he saw a few keys at G2A he blew a gasket because there's no way people wouldn't like my game, everyone is just buying stolen keys!
>>345301868
can i see your butthole?
If this is such a huge problem why not just stop providing them with keys?
>>345301825
Yes goy! Buy those keys on Steam™. Pay the full price of 60 bucks plus tip™.
>>345301571
Now you're twisting things and adding shit. All I said is you know for sure Steam is a legit store and you are not buying fake keys from a store like Steam.
YOU added the part about steam can't be revoked on your own. I never said Steam can't revoke keys. They can but Steam would have no reason to do that shit like that unless you pull some chargeback bullshit.
>>345301758
>However, it becomes YOUR problem once your key gets revoked.
I will care when it becomes a real problem, not when CD Keys getting revoked is so rare they make it into the headlines.
>>345300973
>the slut
so this is the power of reddit
>>345300973
aaa
>>345301719
>steal credit card
>buy games
>sell games
>credit card owner realises some faggot's been using his card
>calls bank
>now game developer has to pay all that money back alongside with a fine with each game sold
If you're selling a 5 dollar game you might end up paying around 20 bucks for each copy. This can, and will, cripple small indie companies.
Which is why using the grey market is shady as fuck.
>>345301825
>>b-but officer, he's a legitimate business, how could I know these keys were gotten illegitimately when they're selling way under market value?!
This. How fucking retarded are people on here to not understand why the keys are so cheap on these sites? You think that buying it from different locations makes THAT much of a difference as soon as you take currency into account?
>>345301825
>That doesn't hold up very well when someone is selling something surprisingly 30 dollars cheaper than the high street.
Except it does. Otherwise reselling stuff wouldn't be a billion dollar industry.
anyone whose used these sites before knows the real scam is having to pay an extra dollar for the buyer protection, which by the way includes your key getting revoked for being stolen.
>>345301973
>This can, and will, cripple small indie companies.
Well, thank god 99% of the indie market is absolute garbage.
>>345301825
i always thought they were being nice and selling them at a loss
>>345301068
But there's no way for someone to tell BEFORE they buy the key it is stolen and thus to refrain from buying it. So how can they be liable for it?
>>345299102
been using g2a for years now, nothing ever happened with me. these are butthurt fags
>>345301902
ANON THAT IS SO LEWD WOW HOW COULD YOU
>>345301973
this
>>345301948
> I will care when it becomes a real problem, not when CD Keys getting revoked is so rare they make it into the headlines.
If it's so rare, OP won't have so many fucking links posted.
>>345300973
C'mon fatty or slut. Everyone else is too flat.
>>345302048
the question still stands and i didn't hear a no
>>345302063
11 links all over 3 years.
I will care when it becomes a real problem.
Have been buying keys for many games. To this point, with the list of games I bought this way for the last... 7 years? I think that if I knew that I caused more harm to them doing this, I would have bought more of those keys.
I mean, shit. I bought Modern Warfare 2, which legit is shittier than pirated. I bought borderlands 2 because of some bitch and ended up really hating everything about it. Dark Souls 2 which was a huge fucking disappointment as well. I'm almost proud of not having spent as much money as I would otherwise, and even more of causing harm to these people.
Thanks /v/ I finally realized. Maybe they don't listen to customers because piracy doesn't harm them. If this does, let's send this message. If I have to spend a few bucks so they take a hit, I will.
>>345301989
>Otherwise reselling stuff wouldn't be a billion dollar industry.
Most things that are resold are not stolen. You arent very smart are you?
>>345302040
>buy a key from a shady site after the internet is full of talk of the site selling stolen keys
>MAYBE THIS KEY ISNT STOLEN
yeah that wont hold up in court you inbred
>>345302040
You realize that you have to surrender stolen goods purchased in real life when the police come asking too, right?
>>345300973
0 here i come
>college
>>345300973
technically don't we all take the penalty point since 34 will be in every post for a while? oh well, time to spell like cute girl sweat
>>345300973
Poop
>>345302063
>Over 6 million customers
>11 links
Wow.
>>345302109
its a no. il get banned, im never posted my ass again, and im not into dudes
>>345299102
what competitor of G2A does totalbiscuit partner awith?
>>345302063
11 games over 3 years against the entire library of Steam, Origin and Uplay.
>>345302178
>Most things that are resold are not stolen. You arent very smart are you?
And most keys aren't stolen. Otherwise there wouldn't be a business here in the first place if almost every key got revoked. Nobody would use if it that was the case.
>>345301386
>the hundreds of articles all over the internet talking about this, especially on reddit, quite literally proves you wrong. MOST people have heard about this by now.
That doesn't mean shit about charging anyone though, they still do sell nonstolen keys as long as the buyer can claim they thought what they bought wasn't stolen they can't be charged
>>345301825
>The law specifies that you are not liable as long as it's "reasonable" that you could assume that what you're buying is legitimate.
And they sell non stolen keys as well I have no reason to assume that the one I'm buying is stolen on top of that most of the keys sold on these types of sites are international so you could easily assume that the price is due to currency differences.
>>345302248
i didnt even include that many links desu i just posted a few. I can go find more if you really want but i have a feeling the shills will just move goalposts again
>>345302285
Kinguin?
G2A and Kinguin are the two big ones.
You see both sponsoring CS:GO pros all the time. Hell, Kinguin even had their own team a while ago.
>>345300973
roll time
>>345302178
Why do they expect you to pay attention to "internet talk"?
>>345302180
But that has nothing to do with whether
>Purchasing stolen goods is illegal and fruedulent in most countries
Basically you can be tricked into doing something "illegal" and then prosecuted for it. That isn't fair.
>>345300973
Class rep and tomboy are the only decent ones
How is this different from Steams own trading network? They have a fuckload of stolen keys there as well.
most G2A games I buy I don't give a fuck about.
For example Overwatch, I don't give a fuck about my Battlenet account.
To solve this problem is for companies to not sell keys directly.
Sell only through Steam or GMG or Origin.
>game price increase
>muh monopolies
Shit people make things shit for everyone.
>>345302327
>And most keys aren't stolen.
on G2A? HAHAHAHAHAH fuck off shill. We are talking about grey market sites like G2A, not all key sellers. Your fallacies are embarrassingly bad.
>>345302330
>That doesn't mean shit about charging anyone though,
False. It wouldnt be hard for them to prove it was extremely likely you knew about all the stolen keys.
> I have no reason to assume
Then you are admitting you are unable to use even basic logic and are too retarded to understand anything.
>>345301868
>tranny who graduatted a liberal arts college
stopped reading there, stealing your shit as we speak
>>345300973
Roll.
>>345302451
>"internet talk"?
what did he mean by this
>>345302479
>They have a fuckload of stolen keys there as well.
citation required
>>345302330
>I have no reason to assume that the one I'm buying is stolen
That's not how it works, it looks like it's slightly iffy, thus you are expected to not take it.
It is a risk you take when buying this shit, that's how the game works.
>>345302508
>on G2A? HAHAHAHAHAH fuck off shill. We are talking about grey market sites like G2A, not all key sellers. Your fallacies are embarrassingly bad.
Then how come reselling keys is a business?
If most keys were stolen most keys would be revoked, and nobody would ever buy them because of the risk. But they clearly aren't. The risk is small enough that millions of people use them. So logically, only a smaller amount of them is stolen.
>>345301825
>constantly whore out your ip in bundles and sales
>surprised its value ends up lower than the actual price on steam
Literally one of the links in OP is some indie shovelware dev whining that no one is buying his game for $20 after in was in humble bundle lmao
>>345302516
to be fair its literally the best school in the country for Audio engineering, which itself is not even a liberal art. Sound Design is an actual science.
>>345302451
>Basically you can be tricked into doing something "illegal" and then prosecuted for it. That isn't fair.
No one is being prosecuted here. You're just losing the fraudulent keys you purchased when developers revoke them. In real life if you bought stolen goods "unknowingly", you'd have to surrender them too(if you got found out).
>>345299102
In the past 2-3 years I only bought from them, and no one removed anything.
The only problem is when you buy a game as a steam gift and after activating, the seller (who gifted the game you) refunds it through Steam. If you buy a key, then probably nothing will happen.
Fun fact, I bought Total War: Warhammer for 35 yuros. On steam it costs around 60 yuros. Do you think I would have bought it for a full price if I earn only 500 yuros / month? Maybe Gaben should include all of Eastern Yurop in the russian price zone because the prices are hilarious.
>>345302652
>If most keys were stolen most keys would be revoked, and nobody would ever buy them because of the risk. But they clearly aren't. The risk is small enough that millions of people use them. So logically, only a smaller amount of them is stolen.
Because most small companies don't have the power to revoke keys. Companies like MangaGamer can get fucked over completely and they can't do anything about the stolen keys.
You have to be a big company like EA to revoke shit.
>>345302696
>tfw I'm forced to buy in Euros even though I don't use that currency
Thanks Gaben.
>>345302652
>. So logically, only a smaller amount of them is stolen.
False. The amount of people who dont realize their credit cards have been stolen is astronomical. Really you are extremely unintelligent and a simple google search shows just how much
http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/credit-card-security-id-theft-fraud-statistics-1276.php
>>345302508
>False. It wouldnt be hard for them to prove it was extremely likely you knew about all the stolen keys.
I'm going to go ahead and assume that you're an actual retard who has no idea how the law or actually charging someone with a crime works. But even if we were using your own logic here if you're main argument in court is going to be that someone could google g2a and see on reddit that they've sold stolen keys before then the defense claiming that they've heard that a lot of the keys were legit and that they've known people who have bought legit keys before would work as well. Not that that's how any trial actually works but your own logic is already defeating you.
>>345302693
But that man implied you could be prosecuted for buying the stolen goods even if you didn't know they were stolen. That is what I am concerned about.
>>345302782
This is also part of the reason why lots of people want to form their own digital systems, they want to have the control to actually do shit instead of having to ask someone who is likely to at best give you an indifferent "meh, we'll have jim look at it"
>>345302829
Yup. And conversion from our currency makes it even more expensive because banks want a share too.
>>345302852
Wouldn't they figure it out after they start getting bills for thousands of dollars?
>>345302852
Fair enough. Maybe I was reaching by thinking most people weren't complete fucking mongoloids.
>>345302916
If you don't realise, odds are what they do is take like 15 dollars somewhere, something small that you could go "fuck what was that for, I don't even remember, was I drunk that day or something? oh well."
most people don't kick off over small amounts.
>>345302858
>that a lot of the keys were legit and that they've known people who have bought legit keys before
You really dont understand how the law works do you?
If you tried the defense "well lots of people were talking about stolen keys but a few people said the keys werent" they would laugh at you sooooo hard.
Ignorance is not an argument in court.
>>345302916
You generally start with small test charges first before going whole-hog when it comes to stolen ccs.
Wait, police is going to knock down your door and send you to prison?
Where have I heard this before? Piracy is stealing? Don't show up with that chipped PS1? eMule is a honeypot?
Yeah no. The scaremongering has been there for ages now. If it harms the little guys, I won't be buying keys for games from little guys, but you won't make me pay 60 fucking dollars for another yet to be known as rushed pile of shit. 2 hours is a surprisingly low amount of time for a sample of getting fucked in the ass in case you have to return your goods. Denuvo, the thing that everyone is so happy about, is making me actually not want to buy the new Deus Ex, and I was going to preorder it like I did with HR. I'm probably going to get it from a key site like I did with many games from big companies before, and there's no remorse I can feel about it.
>>345302829
>>345302897
>tfw remembering those amazing early years when steam still used dollars so games were actually fairly decently priced for someone living in Europe
Like the moment they started switching to selling stuff in Euros prices sky rocketed by like 20% back then.
At least it's not so bad as GMG, they charge me in fucking pounds for some reason, everything there is fucking expensive as fuck.
>>345302916
they usually dont do it all at once.
These places steal like thousanands of different cards and then use each card to buy 1 key every once in a while to keep suspicions lower
>>345303006
>Ignorance is not an argument in court.
It can be in some specific cases. But most of the time it just means a downgrade from intentional or planned.
This thread reads like a Denuvo 'pirates btfo' thread with some words changed around. It's almost as if these fucking threads come off an assembly line at this point, pre-planned replies and articles included. And what a coincidence that suddenly this whole anti-pirate bs should suddenly shift to key resellers.
>>345303050
read it and weap
https://torrentfreak.com/uk-bill-introduces-10-year-prison-sentence-for-online-pirates-160706/
its not scaremongering , its now the law
>buy a series of games through g2a
>all of them work, and I get them very promptly
>cheap too
maybe you live in dodgy countries or something, never had a problem in Australia
someone's probably butthurt there's a site undercutting them and taking away their customers and by undercut, I mean charge fair prices that don't have the infamous australian(tm) markup.
>>345300973
rollan'
>>345303006
So you're quoting stuff out of context and you actually are a retard who has no idea how they law actually works thanks for proving my point.
>>345303148
People there are in legal trouble for wolf whistling. Am I supposed to care?
>>345302862
Usually to be prosecuted you either need to have known the property was stolen or been grossly negligent, e.g. buying out of the back of a van.
You cannot be "tricked" into committing a crime.
>>345299306
Only if you knowingly purchase stolen goods.
I'll just plead ignorance.
>>345300862
This is not piracy.
>>345302982
Doesn't seem like it's worth the effort. Might as well jsut get a real jerb
>>345303008
Just because someone doesn't notice a small charge doesn't mean they won't notice a huge charge though.
>>345303306
>I'll just plead ignorance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat
how underage are you?
>>345300973
I want the tomboy
>>345303367
b-b-but muh stolen keys
>>345303367
the person i was responding to said anti piracy stuff was scaremongering. Also, its only a matter of time before this becomes quite illegal too considering it actually costs the publishers a LOT of money with the chargeback costs.
>>345303248
>grossly negligent, e.g. buying out of the back of a van.
I see, in Murika you're not allowed to sell things informally. You must set up a "shop" and pay taxes on that property so big daddy gubment gerts his share right?
>>345303148
>>345303248
>UK law
And in germany they can raid your house and put you in prison for posting "hate speech" online
>http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36804363
why would anyone care about what laws europoors have
>>345303306
Wilful ignorance is often considered analogous to guilt. Especially in regards to stolen property.
>G2A IS THE CANCER OF THIS EARTH AND IT MUST DIE!!!!'
What did totalbiscuit mean by this?
>>345300973
ta-da.
>>345303383
Someone offers you a game at a good price. You buy it. How were you to know it's stolen? All that will happen is that it'll get removed from you. You won't be punished.
>>345303458
>Also, its only a matter of time before this becomes quite illegal too considering it actually costs the publishers a LOT of money with the chargeback costs.
>>345303458
>Also, its only a matter of time before this becomes quite illegal
If this becomes illegal then ebay and gamestop will also become illegal. It's not gonna happen
>>345303539
>How were you to know it's stolen?
the literally thousands of articles on the internet telling you the site is sketchy and the fact if you google the site a lot of shit comes up telling you how sketchy it is.
Ignorance is not an excuse.
>>345303520
That means he's probably on the money, because if anyone knows about dealing with cancer it's him.
>>345303520
He meant he wanted you to start another eceleb shill thread
I bought a key for this for much cheaper than it was on sale.
This is a game from a small indie team probably. Updates come out for it frequently enough and it seems nobody is unhappy with this game in particular. You could say some people think this game is worth more than what it costs without any discounts.
And you know what, I don't fucking care nigga
>>345303589
nice false comparison.
>>345303632
It is. Show me articles of people being arrested for buying stolen cdkeys.
>>345300973
big fat gay roll here
>>345303695
you're gonna trigger all the anti-g2a fighters
>>345303695
I gave a penny for it in a bundle
>>345303589
>211 replies talking back and forth
>this fag still dont get it
It's over man. Humanity is doomed due to illiteracy.
>>345303696
What false comparison? Those two conduct the same sort of reselling business.
Gamestop especially probably hurts sales more than piracy ever does even.
>>345303731
iv literally said about 5x ITT they havent passed the law yet. The Uk piracy one was just the beginning.
You think huge publishing companies are just going to sit there and let people still that much from them when they get so pissy about piracy?
Holy shit you are dumb.
>>345303738
That's the point
>>345303831
And after all these years, literally nothing has been done about video game piracy. It's still as big as it ever was.
I predict in 20 years in the future, sites like cdkeys will become even more common.
>>345303831
Yes? Reselling games have been a thing for decades anon. It's not new.
>>345303830
>Gamestop especially probably hurts sales more than piracy ever does even.
I would love for you to justify that statement.
>>345300862
you are literally retarded and it's giving me a stomach ache. buying keys isn't fucking piracy, even if it turns out they're stolen, they're being marketed as legit. g2a's customers are not at fault, and WORST case scenario, the keys get revoked, and g2a customers can call their banks/cc companies, report fraud, and get full refunds.
it's cute that you get so hard at the thought of others getting screwed, though. consider killing yourself, fagooooot.
>>345303773
Yeah, I missed said bundle. At the summer sale it was slightly cheaper but still over 10€. Then I saw a key for 3 fucking euros, and went like "you know what, fuck the police"
>>345303830
>Those two conduct the same sort of reselling business.
Gamestop does not purchase cd keys with stolen credit cards. Like how fucking retarded are you?
OH and just so you know, in some places gamestop isnt even allowed to sell used games anymore. In calgary you still can but when i was in Kelowna they said that they had been threatened with legal action
>>345300973
Alpha roll. Alpha get.
>>345303979
For someone so ignorant of the law you're shilling really hard
>>345303695
>>345303773
>crosscode
wow, some dumb indie shit no one's ever heard ofthe reason you were able to get it for so cheap is because the game's publisher decided to toss it into a huge Bundlestars bundle without even informing the developers, in spite of the fact that the game still hasn't left early access. I guess it's not really you're fault for supporting that because everyone's out for themselves, but I was pretty severely disgusted to learn that the publisher acted in that way without consulting the developer for a quick buck, especially since it'll have probably cannibalized sales that could have been made after the game released properly.
>>345303979
No but they do occasionally buy stolen physical games.
>In calgary you still can but when i was in Kelowna they said that they had been threatened with legal action
Yeah but that's Cuckada.
>>345304123
>you're
someone please save me from my own retardation, I meant your.
>>345303914
>literally nothing has been done about video game piracy
how many times do i have to link this before you inbreds learn to read?
https://torrentfreak.com/uk-bill-introduces-10-year-prison-sentence-for-online-pirates-160706/
If you think this is only going to be for the UK you are extremely naive.
>>345303917
reselling games using stolen credits cards IS new.
>>345303926
>they're being marketed as legit
ONCE AGAIN, ignorance is not an excuse at all when every single link on google is telling you how sketchy these sites are.
It would be like you going down to China town to buy a phone, and on the way a BUNCH of people tell you not to do it because all the phones are stolen, but you ignore them and instead trust the person who is trying to sell you things and says its legitimate. Like you really are that retarded
>>345303917
Reselling digital "objects" will not be allowed by the gooberment under control of our loving corporate masters. And soon digital "objects" will be all games are. Physical is gone, thanks to foolish consumers who would rather sit on their ass than go outside or even wait for a delivery.
>>345303632
literally all the keys I bought were delivered as scanned in retail keys.
100% legally bought in China or wherever and resold in 1st world countries. Publishers can go fuck themselves if they want me to pay $100 for a full game or $60 for a game with half the content missing.
>>345299102
>Devolver Digital
literally who?
>>345304159
>Yeah but that's Cuckada.
>moving goalposts again
im sure there are places in the US but thats not the argument.
>>345304204
Ignorance is an excuse though because there's no guarantee someone is going to google a site name to find out how "sketchy" they are
>>345304050
In a lot of countries second hand dealers are required to obtain a license in order to do business and are required to do due diligence in avoiding stolen goods.
G2A not only doesn't give a shit, they use the "we may sell you stolen property" thing to make even more money.
The comparison genuinely is retarded.
>>345304237
>$100 for a full game
which AAA games are $100. Not even DOOM was that expensive. Do you live in Australia?
>>345304259
Not being allowed to resell games would be fucking against the law in Europe even, which is constantly being enforced. So no, it's not likely to happen outside shitty countries like Canada.
>>345304290
>Ignorance is an excuse
one of the central tenants of the law is that ignorance is not an excuse
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorantia_juris_non_excusat
>>345304204
Why don't you try reading your own link?
It says that it'll affect uploaders and scene groups. Not downloaders. So if the same thing happened with keys, the site would be affected, not the customer.
>>345304428
>fucking against the law in Europe
You mean the same Europe where piracy gets you 10 years? You must be new here
>>345304382
anything with a season pass.
>>345304123
Well, I didn't even know it was on a bundle before I bought it to be honest. The game is ok, however it's still not finished and just as it's ok now it can get shitty later.
>>345304448
>Not downloaders.
if you think they will stop at uploaders you are so beyond naive its not even funny. Uploaders was just the first step to get their foot in the door. Always expect companies to try and get as much money as they possibly can.
>>345304529
Just watch as he says "but that's extra content, you get the full game without the season pass"
Such bullshit
>>345304445
That's ignorance of the law, not ignorance of a crime.
You cannot argue "I didn't know buying stolen goods is illegal" but you can argue "I didn't know they were stolen and it's reasonable to believe they weren't."
>>345304578
I do, because it'd be impossible to police.
>>345304529
You are legitmately retarded if you have EVER purchased a season pass for any game. Kill yourself.
>>345304508Good thing they left the EU.
Piracy is not reselling, and to think the two are related is retarded.
>>345304618
not even close. They already monitor torrent sites to see who is downloading torrents.
>>345304616
>That's ignorance of the law, not ignorance of a crime.
>crime is against the law
>ignorance of a crime and ignorance of the law is not the same thing
0/900
>>345304639
What if he liked the game and liked all the content he got in the season pass? Then it would be smarter than buying them separately.He's an idiot for "buying" digital goods at all though
>>345301160
>Its like you are just asking them to sue you
that's not how law works. that's not how anything of this works.
>>345304578
>let's waste billions of dollars taking random kids and housewives to the courts
You know why even though piracy has been illegal for so long is still so rarely enforced for for your average pirate? Because it's unsustainable to go after them all. Increasing the sentence won't change that.
>>345304535
>Well, I didn't even know it was on a bundle before I bought it to be honest.
I mean, how else do you think it ended up with such a cheap price?
>and just as it's ok now it can get shitty later.
It's a single-player game with a strictly focused plan and no random gen bullshit. The only way it could "get shitty" later is if they decided to go back and change things but they have no reason whatsoever to do that and they clearly know what they're doing with future content. Putting the game into a bundle in the state it was at the time was fucking idiotic and only serves to severely devalue the game.
