>It's not class based but each character will have different movement speed/air control and armour
https://youtu.be/8OEBvXEXpHQ?t=1m42s
what a fucking disaster
>>345298672
well what the fuck did you expect from nu-Id after d44m?
>>345298672
>it's not class based, but if you want someone who's bigger and slower and has more health - we have that kind a guy
you can't make this shit up
Arena shooter fans should just stop playing video games because the only thing they'd be happy with is if someone directly ported Quake 3 to a new engine including all the physics code and the same maps with the same spawn points and everything. I could see people complaining about updated graphics too because it messes with their meta or whatever the fuck excuse they'd come up with.
Who used the monkey paw again?
It's literally Rise of the Triad.
>>345299116
It was me. I wished for more PC exclusives.
>>345299073
Well people still play Q3A so nothing changes.
>>345298783
Are you saying Quake Champions is made by id?
>>345299073
t. non quake player
>>345299317
That's exactly my point. Arena shooter fans don't want anything new and anything that deviates even slightly from what they're used to is shit on and dies.
>>345299319
It is. Id didn't do Doom multiplayer but they're doing this, weird I guess.
>>345299515
It's being made by the developers who brought as such gems as "Battle Los Angeles the game" and "RIPD the game".
>>345299440
Obviously, because I don't look at a new game and say "welp, it's not Quake 3 so it's shit".
>>345299073
>>345299450
>>345299847
>It's a non quake player has an uninformed opinion episode
>>345299515
I don't want to listen to this board who judges things prematurely out of pure hatred since Wolfenstein and Doom turned out to be the opposite of shit. These games are worth checking out hands on before being dismissed.
>>345300160
>it's a Quake player refuses to play any games that aren't Quake 3 and then complains about his dead genre episode
>>345300436
>quake fan gets upset because the new quake game sounds like shit
youre fucking retarded
people can be upset at decisions made by game developers regardless of what their a fan of, it doesnt matter
Is Quake 3 is the only game that killed it's entire genre? I would say Brood War but people at least keep making RTS games.
>>345298672
>it's not class based
>but it's class based
Dead on Arrival.
>>345300568
Not Quake 3 = sounds like shit
>>345299010
They pretty much just looked at Unreal Tournaments game play and said "Fuck it lets go with that!"
>>345300671
Diablo 2
>>345298672
>designed from the ground up as an esports game
Disgusting.
>>345300436
>refuses to play any games that aren't Quake 3
this just shows how clueless you are
I expected nothing and I'm still disappointed.
>>345301269
I must be hallucinating all those dead arena shooters that people hate because they're not Quake 3.
>>345301426
Pretty much every arena shooter on Steam has zero playerbase. Hell even UT4 is struggling to keep queue times short. I think it's safe to say arena shooters are dead.
>>345301405
Why so upset, anon-kun
>>345301625
Rangermeat "Hardtack" Beefcake please go.
>arena shooter fans (ie Quake 3 fans) bitch and moan there's no arena shooters anymore
>things like Quake live barely have any playerbase
>>345301697
You will buy my game, won't you anon-kun?
>>345298672
why though
who the fuck looked at quake and went 'you know what this needs. classes'
>>345301623
I think UT4 will be okay when it has more game modes and content
I am a big UT fan but I'm waiting for it to be more complete
UT in general has more mass appeal than quake imo
>>345301810
STOP
>>345301873
Definitely not the Quake 3 fans that think Q3 is God's gift to the video game world.
>>345301873
Because class based multiplayer is the flavour of the moment?
>>345298672
It's Quake, I am sure they will have a "classic mode" for purists.
Either from the start or as DLC or later update
>>345301873
>hearthstone massive success
>bethesda announces card game
>overwatch massive success
>bethesda announces class-based "arena" fps
>>345298672
Why would there be any reason to pick slower characters? EVERYONE is going to go with the fast characters no matter what the mode is.
>>345301426
>>345301623
>>345301794
you guys are gonna love champions
>>345301921
You know you want it, anon-kun.
Mygame.
>>345301873
But like I said in >>345299231
the idea of different characters having different health and speed was done by RotT in fucking 1994 and obviously again in 2013. It's nothing new, as long as they don't have ultimates or anything it's fine.
>>345298672
I just want something akin to Q1 aka the only good one. Is it that hard?
>>345301998
That's exactly what happened with Brink.
>>345302257
Unfortunately, yes.
>>345303457
+ bump
Who'll be the most balanced character in the game?
>>345306019
Almost certainly Sarge.
>>345298672
WE WANT OVERWATCH AUDIENCE!
>>345306146
What will his special ability be?
>>345306019
orbb
>>345306328
ranger
>>345306278
>It's not class based
?
>>345298783
i really dont know how D44m caught on and not 4oom. its fucking retarded
>>345298672
>It's not class based but there are different classes
You've managed to contradict yourself and ruin the game in only one sentence, congratulations Id.
>>345306513
It's a joke on the retarded names like Thi4f.
>>345298672
Looks already better than Lawbreakers, Gigantic, Paladins and Battleborn, even if its only going to be Overwatch for adults.
Would have been better as Quake Wars 2, but I take it.
![84265_2_0.0[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uFW4pyz.jpg "84265_2_0.0[1].jpg")
>>345301873
Bethesda tries to be Blizzard but keeps fucking failing and eating shit.
>>345306634
>Looks already better than Lawbreakers, Gigantic, Paladins and Battleborn
Like that's difficult.
>>345298672
to be fair this sounds less like classes as the current trend represents them (with distinct abilities and weapons and whatnot), and more like just choosing a character that suits your current playstyle (having more health or speed or jumping ability or whatever)
not really sure who thought it was needed, but its not really classes
>No singleplayer
>>345306847
Nobody cares, shitters will meme about new Quake being Overwatch 2, but not about it being like TF2 and you know why.
>>345298672
I think it's going to play like Destiny's crucible mode but without perks.
Each character has a super attack, all the stats are the same but with their very slightly differences. EG in Destiny, if a hunter has the right things equipped, they can potentially out sprint the titan next to them by a couple seconds over a long distance but the titan can use his abilities to gain a big advantage over the hunter.
I like destiny but when the FPS market is filled with this sort of thing, Quake was supposed to be the throw back for the rest of the gaming audience and for the FPS fans to come back to.
They aren't going to succeed with grabbing Destiny or Overwatch players by copying them, they need to do something different instead of just saying it's different, all the while telling us it's the same.
Its classes but everyone can get the same guns, so thats like half classes. I would guess some tourneys and hardcore servers will be all ranger all the time, or whatever the most middle of the road champ is.
>>345306847
>it's not classes it's just different sets of stats you pick to choose different playstyles
Okay, retard.
>>345307146
Thing is, that already exists. Not only Q3A, but UT4, Reflex, Quake Live.
There is no need for a throwback, and a half-assed mix of new and old is not going to be groundbreaking.
But wait and see I guess.
What Quake Arena gameplay needs, and has always needed to spice up its gameplay, is not classes, but more weapons.
Quake is set in an alien battle arena, yet half the weapons featured are actually pretty standard fare: machine gun, shotgun, rocket launcher. Why not throw more interesting alien weapons into the mix that vary up gameplay?
I'd love to play moving around at high speed on Quake maps while using Ratchet and Clank style weapons.
The problem with classes is that the slower, tankier classes are really hard to balance for different skill levels.
If you give them less HP so that noobs can kill them, then high level players dance around them with the faster classes.
If you give them more HP so that they can compete with the faster classes against good players, low level players can never deal with them, and high level players bitch because it's a less skilled method which is just as effective as the fast classes.
>>345307893
while having new weapons is all well and good how will they not overlap with the current lineup without going into gimmick territory
imo warsow did it pretty well with some subtle changes to how the weapons work generally and making ammo pickups more important
(LG would have a slight wave at the end of the beam but with ammo it would be straight and railgun has a very slight travel time but iwth ammo it's hitscan)
>>345302070
>implying it's not just one person who's gone on full tilt
>>345307893
>I'd love to play moving around at high speed on Quake maps while using Ratchet and Clank style weapons.
I'd like that too. It'd be great for more "casual" modes like FFA, CA and maybe CTF/TDM but I don't think it'd work for 1v1. I feel duel is already perfect with the standard Q3A/QL weapon set and adding any more weapons would break it.
Moving aside from my reply, I really can't imagine how they'll redesign Hunter or Mynx in the new game.
>>345306634
Overwatch > Gigantic > everything else desu
Really liked the concept, shame the rest isn't particularly great.
>>345307893
The thing about the weapons is that they're all vital parts of the core gameplay. They all have a specific purpose that ties into the layout of the maps, the placement of other items and the metagame of the different player's playstyles and their current strength relative to each other.
You can't just say "add some craaaaazy new weapons" without fundamentally fucking up how the game works. I'm not saying it CAN'T be done, just that it's going to be very very difficult to work new weapons into the game. You could throw the whole thing out and try and come up with a new set of weapons but once again you have to be mindful of the above rather than just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Also weapon bloat is one of the biggest cancers of modern FPS.
>>345309335
this is one of the reasons why UT isn't as good
it has a bunch of weapons with alternate fire but they don't really fall into their own categories
All the bases are covered with a single weapon the shock rifle
>>345308813
Never found good Q3lewdpics, till now
>>345299317
>It was me. I wished for more PC exclusives.
First post to make me laugh today.
>>345309558
It's definitely why UT isn't as good as a competitive game, but I think UT is still really good fun for less serious play. I don't want Quake to be UT. I want Quake to be Quake and UT to be UT.
It's just a sad fact that Quake as it should be can't really exist in today's industry.
>>345300738
>UT
>ever having characters with different stats
u wot m8
Just play the new UT then?
>>345310220
dumb anime faggot
>>345298672
fuck me
ok, so I'll have to resort to indie devs now...
>>345301990
>It's Quake, I am sure they will have a "classic mode" for purists.
>Either from the start or as DLC
>quake
>DLC
owell
>>345306019
doomguy or sarge
hey guys I am going to tell you about this one game that's like quake 3 with cpma mod but wait you would call me out for shilling even thought it's the game you want and need oh well have fun playing nothing scumfucks
>>345307146
>I like destiny but when the FPS market is filled with this sort of thing, Quake was supposed to be the throw back for the rest of the gaming audience and for the FPS fans to come back to.
>They aren't going to succeed with grabbing Destiny or Overwatch players by copying them, they need to do something different instead of just saying it's different, all the while telling us it's the same.
I like this analysis
>>345311297
yep
Why are arena shooter devs so bad anons?
We got those piles of excrement called UT3 and UT4 from epic, and ID isn't doing any better. How can we even compete when other genres have such competent developers like Blizzard ;_;
>>345301873
because the age of simple games that do one thing really well are dead for the most part. Every game has to have ten things from other games done half assed to try and compete. When a developer actually has the balls to try and do one thing really well they get bad reviews for being "dated" or "not having enough content per dollar" As was the case with New Doom (ignoring multiplayer)
>>345311613
because its a mostly dead subgenre so they feel the need to inject other crap into it to try and gain a modern audience.
>>345300198
nu wolfenstein and d44m were both shit
>>345300995
Obviously u are a fuckin casual shit, since quake made the fucking esports
i still think it's pretty exciting. if they really have an extensive closed beta with many of the pro players giving feedback, the outcome has to be somewhat decent.
>>345311098
Team Arena
Quake II best Quake
Do people call him Ranger or Quakeguy?
>>345312848
Ranger
I like those Q3 characters and the idea of them having abilities. It's not Quake V Arena but it's not a class-based shooter either, I see it as an arena FPS with asymmetry and different playstyles but weapon pickups and movement tricks are still there.
I played Q3 for more than 10 years and I'm hyped.
>>345298672
This is exactly what Quake needed, all these retards are fucking clueless "hurr durr why class based??".
Just shut the fuck up you low IQ subhuman retards who should have been aborted, you do not comprehend English, it is not class based, classes have different abilities and are completely ability locked with attacks and weapons.
Quake Champions doesn't lock offensive attacks, weapons, to abilities, so by definition it is not class based.
The unique characters add to the gameplay, with 1 passive and 1 active ability, not some "press Q to kill all ultimate" ability, it will be just fine. Specializing in certain playstyles will be great and all the naysayers will suck dick when they see how succesful this game will be.
>>345315415
>Just shut the fuck up
>The unique characters add to the gameplay
>>345315785
Never been to that nigger site, I'd break your jaw in irl you dumb fag. Quake Champions will deliver and you will suck it up, Quake con will shut naysayers like you up, get ready and lube up animal.
>>345316092
Remember when they were making WoW clones in order to try and catch that lightning and how well those titles performed? No? That's because you don't make the exact same game and expect the success the original one had. And that's exactly how this Overwatch clone will end up, completely forgotten.
>>345310791
>Indie FPS claims to be oldschool
>Procerurally levels and shit movement/gunplay
Fucking why. Maybe Blackroom will understand that thing people loved of 90's FPS
>>345316369
>overwatch clone
just because the game have different characters, just like Team Arena
fuck you retarded ignorant shit
>>345316369
>you don't make the exact same game and expect the success the original one had
>"Why don't they just copy past Quake 3 Arena?"
>>345312186
But Quake was never made as Ecancer it became that because there were people that wanted to git gud.
Whenever game is made to be ecancer it falls flat
>>345298672
>It's not class based but each character will have different movement speed/air control and armour
That's like saying it's not rape because there was no penetration, god damn I knew it was too good to be true that there's an upswing for enjoyable games
>>345312186
"esports" these days is just marketing
>>345316092
yeah ok bud...
>We will never get another Lovecraftian Quake 1-style Quake game
>Instead Q3 and the Strogg will be rehashed for years to come
>>345317927
There is nothing wrong with Quake 3 art direction, though
Fuck arena shooters, they always sucked.
Strafe-jumping is playing with yourself instead of shooting stuff.
>>345317927
>we will never hear amazing ost like in quake 2 ever again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY6yBTYxLko
>>345317927
THIS
>>345298672
>it's not class based
>but we have a class system, it just doesn't have the name "class"
fuck id.
why is bethesda so fucking stupid
>hurr let's release an elder scrolls mmo to compete with wow
>hurr let's release a fucking card game no one gives a fuck about to compete with hearthstone
>hurr let's casualize and turn a nostalgia game into a shitty tf2 clone to compete against overwatch
EVERY TIME
>>345301426
>If you bitch about some games it means you don't play any other games but this one
You're retarded.
>>345320000
very impressive
>>345320000
The most impressive thing to me is that none of those games can even compete with TF2, even if TF2 has fallen so far from grace. Overwatch is fun for 15 hours, then it gets insanely boring. Yet I can go back to TF2 everytime. Damn game has a charm of its own, I don't know what it is.
>>345320000
To be fair TESO is like the least similar MMO to WoW on on the market. People aren't lying when they say it's basically Skyrim with multiplayer, and the class system is pretty creative.
>>345318280
damn right
>>345318889
>edgy 90s rock
>>345317927
The codename for Quake Champions was literally "Project Lovecraft"
They love the lovecraftian style of Quake 1 and it will come back in the arenas of Quake Champions.
And Quake 3 had a great art direction, it didn't look like the strogg thing of Quake 2 or 4
>>345299073
how about a new game in the same series that doesn't pander to what's popular?
>>345320717
depends on the map
there was never any solid theme to quake games other than the shooting and movement
>men will have higher strength and armor
>women will have faster movement speed and air control
When will this meme end? If your muscles are weaker, you can't run faster either. Women literally can't be better than men when we're talking about physical capabilities.
>>345321024
Tell that to women army soldiers.
>>345321024
Orbb will be the fastest since he's just a pair of legs.
>>345321024
There are all kind of women in Q3
>>345321192
I think they would already know that
>>345321253
He uses his arms to move around actually.
>>345321271
Crash is objectively best Quake girl.
>>345321024
>a game where you can jump faster and further if you do it while running sideways
>a game where you can shoot a rocket at your feet to jump higher
>a game where you can literally shoot people with lightning and have to keep shooting them for 5 seconds to only maybe kill them
and thats what bothers you, that most women arent physically as capable as most men and is unrealistic
get a grip you autist
>>345321024
Strength isn't a linear scale. A sprinter and a powerlifter both have muscle but they use it for different purposes. Also look at ballet or gymnastics, whee the men are expected to have muscle but the women are as light as possible.
>>345298672
Feels good supporting Blizzard, all these lower tier companies trying to follow in their footsteps LOL! They will never replicate the official blizzard quality and superb style. Haha feels good man.
>>345298672
but y
>>345310098
I'm by no means an expert on Quake or UT but I am almost 100% sure that some of the characters had quirks in UT that made them very slightly different.
>>345322747
in championship and 2k4 i think bots had "stats" in the singleplayer where you could recruit them for your team matches or whatever. i don't think it made any difference though
championship 2 had characters with completely different moves and abilities
>>345317927
At least modders are still keep the dream alive, creating amazing shit like Arcane Dimensions.
>>345321901
what a shit bait, at least put a decent pic
>>345322974
yeah AD is great, this is the guy who organises the quake map jams btw ex- ravensoft, crytek guy
q1 mapping is pretty easy with trenchbroom too
Dunno guys, I think it sounds promising and this comes from someone who played an assload of Quake 3/live and cpma.
I'm the guy that used to host all those qln here. i do think it can be good, they cant just re-release quake 3, and the idea of different characters having different stats could be interesting.
>>345323169
Not bait when it's 100% true you nimrod.
>>345323169
>bait
>companies copying blizzard left and right.
>big name brands trying to get the scraps from already successful blizzard games.
Kekekekekeke (anime laugh)
>>345323694
>Copying blizzard
>Overwatch is just a updated version of TF2
>Team Fortress was just a Quake mod
kill yourself fag
>>345299073
This right here.
God forbid someone tries to give the genre some new life.
You had your chance with Nexuiz, Reflex, Toxikk, and even Unreal 4, the straight port you have all been crying for and what happened? Oh yeah, nobody played any of them because *everyone* is tired of bread and butter arena shooters.
I say good on id for trying something new this time. This is the last chance for arena shooters, if this fails, we'll probably never see an arena shooter again.
They would be shooting themselves in the foot again if this wasn't a casual shooter, like 2005 all over again.
Nobody wants to spend hours of dedication and practice to become good at stuff anymore, people don't like games where skill difference is not hidden by dumbed down design. They don't want to be raped and yet they dont want to work to get better either. This is not exclusive to gaming, today everything is like this. Its a culture of mediocrity and inflated egos based on nothing that is present today in everything
>>345306278
Did i miss something?
>>345324040
Lol he mad as heck
>>345324507
Not really.
>>345322974
>>345323246
Goddamn this is beautiful.
>they fuck up doom mp
maybe they will reboot quake
>shaping up to fuck up quake next
>>345320000
I'm trying to find some Q3A maps that I've played a long time ago, but I can't find any. Like ctf in the city with a ski elevator and a grappling hook outside the city walls or a map that looks like something out of Alice in Wonderland.
Look on the bright side. This game is being outsourced and it's obviously being outsourced because id is busy working on the real QUAKE 5
>>345326476
And nobody will play it, just like Quake Live and UT
>>345312186
Quake didn't make esports and it wasn't even the first game in its genre to be an esport
>>345326718
I mean what came before Quake? Unless you're talking about like that weird pacman shit. Quake 1 was one of the first games to have people playing competitively for money.
>>345326702
Or Nexuiz, Toxikk, Reflex or Xonotic.
>>345313638
It's not an arena FPS. You need equal spawns for all players for a game to be an arena FPS as well as map pickups that boost your character in meaningful ways past the default state of a fresh spawn. By introducing pseudo classes (or heros), Quake is a hero shooter now
>>345299073
Or, you know, someone competent with common sense could make a classic traditional arena shooter that doesn't have retarded modern gimmicks crammed in.
>>345318882
Sounds like you're too uncoordinated to learn how to do it. It adds a whole other dimension to the game.
>>345326476
>id post 2005
>real anything
>>345326702
Dude when I say QUAKE 5 I mean a campaign focused Quake reboot
>>345298783
Doom is good though
>>345326814
Fighting games, off the top of my head. Doom was also already an esport before Quake came out, id software saw that success with doom MP and decided to focus on MP in the development of Quake because of it
>>345327008
>hero shooter
>I'm just going to make up genres to support my point
>>345327205
like nuDoom right gamer? xD
with message logs, sluggish movement, cinematic takedowns, perks and monster waves just like in 1993!!!! fucking based """"""""""iD Software"""""" catering to us hardcore gamers, they even added center gun support in the latest patch!!!!!!
>>345327441
What game and when? Quake 1 was like 96 and I've never heard of any serious fight game competitive movement before that.
>>345306692
Why would anybody WANT to be Blizzard? A flash in the pan shambling corpse of a dev.
>>345327441
Also everything you said about the mp is wrong. Quake was supposed to be an rpg and became another shooter because they thought it'd be more fun. Just like doom it incidentally had fantastic multiplayer. Do you even know what you're talking about or just spouting random shit.
>>345309558
>All the bases are covered with a single weapon the shock rifle
it's useless in 4
>>345320000
checked
>>345320223
Overwatch has exactly 0 skill-based movement strategies and castrated strategies ripped from tf2. If you can aim kinda good and recognize classes in Overwatch you can win 9/10 times, no practice or skill needed.
Tf2 has airstrafing, rocket jumping, sticky jumping, crimping, air-strafing, loose canon-jumping, wrangler-jumping, scouts multi-jump chaining, flare-jumping, surfing, the quick-fix.
Overwatch has... 8-second cool down single explosive jumping and just a bunch of big leaps and jumps on cooldown.
Same boat as you, I keep trying to like Overwatch but my comp rating is now 60 and I think I've done everything after 28 hours in game. Time to put another thousand in TF2 or Unreal.
>>345298672
>there are no classes
>characters have specific stats just like classes
>>345327536
Overwatch and Battleborn have commonly been called hero shooters before I ever picked up the term, complain to the guy who made it up, not me
>>345327780
That may very well be part of the reason.
Honestly, I genuinely think that TF2 is the best multiplayer game of all time in terms of design and class design.
>>345298672
I really don't care so long as they have the option to get rid of all classes in certain game modes.
>>345324290
This. Arena shooter fans need to shoot themselves and fuck off.
>>345327780
>If you can aim kinda good and recognize classes in Overwatch you can win 9/10 times
Not even that. The assistance to your aiming through the giant hitboxes, "favour the shooter", and literally changing the angle of your shot (and other classic "aim assistance" mechanics straight out of halo 1) mean that all you really need to do is keep an enemy's model on screen
>>345322747
well then you're almost 100% wrong because they don't
play the games made before you were born next time
>>345316554
I'm pretty sure Romero understands what makes a level good to play. Hand plotting wins against algos.
>>345299073
No, it's you who should stop trying to get arena shooters catered to you. Arena shooters didn't fail and die, you did.
Read >>345324506 you casual piece of shit, and stick to your OW/CSGO/Dota/LoL whatever shit game you play.
>>345327128
Yeah, like Unreal 4, which is dead because everyone is bored of what you just described.
>>345327864
Battleborn is a straight up MOBA, it's kind a funny that their marketing was so poor people thought it was an Overwatch clone despite being a completely different game.
>>345327205
Like Quake 4? That was one of the worst games I've ever played.
>>345327563
nuDoom was good though.
>>345327864
>one guy called them hero shooters once so now it's a genre
Wauw amazing
>>345329164
>one of the worst games I've ever played.
not even close, play games you shitter
>>345327724
No, I think I'm right about the MP focus, there was an interview with the Quake devs in a PC gamer magazine in 1996, I'll see if I can find the scans
>>345329371
I specifically remember pirating it and uninstalling it 30 minutes into the campaign. What a turd that was.
>>345329164
I'm thinking more along of the lines of the original Quake
>>345329164
Prey>Doom 3>Quake 4>ET:QW>Wolfenstein 09>>>Brink
All the idTech 4 games are flawed imo, but Quake 4 is hardly the worst FPS.
>Blizzard killed RTS
>Blizzard killed ARPG
>Blizzard killed MMO's
>Blizzard is killing card games
>Blizzard is now killing FPS
Can these jews be stopped?
>>345299073
you got a lotta loyalty for a hired shill
>>345329461
No you're wrong read masters of doom. Quake was orignally a heavy story based rpg but they said fuck that and threw it away. I'm sure they did more for the mp than doom because literally all they did for doom was
>oh shit if we add some netcode people can shoot each other
>fucking sick
Quake was not designed primarily for mp and saying so is just wrong.
>>345329921
>blizzard invented class based shooters
>>345299073
why grab an arena shooter IP and then make it not an arena shooter?
There are plenty of class-based new IPs being made right now so it's not like they don't catch on
Oh that's right, they just want the name of quake, they never wanted to make a quake game. Why do you faggots keep defending blatant cash grab bullshit like this?
>>345332256
It's still Quake, it's still an arena shooter.
Why grab an arena shooter IP and them make another rehash with a graphical update? Could it be because they nobody wants to play them in 2016 like all the other ones that tried that?
>>345328994
People got bored because it's an incomplete project that was crawling along about as fast as a fucking corpse.
It was ambitious, but everyone knew it was DoA.
>>345331058
I read masters of doom. here are tidbits from pc gamer. the thing is, like you went over, doom MP wasn't a focus in the development, they did exactly what you said, they just added netcode, but even as simple as that it, it was done so well that tournaments were had and services like DWANGO popped up and people made custom DM maps. so I think id was definitely inspired by that success to make MP in Quake a much higher priority in development than it was in DOOM, from a technology and gameplay standpoint. i think you'll find these quotes interesting
>>345331493
They didn't invent anything. They just took something good and watered it down for babies like all their other games since the merger. Even WoW is babies first MMO, took all the complexity and depth of Ultima and Everquest and dumbed it down for their RTS fanbase.
>>345332503
>it's still an arena shooter
why do you think so?
>>345332520
Is that what happened? Weird, because it didn't stop Rust and Ark from being top 10 games on Steam.
>>345331058
Let him find his source and let's see what it says.
Until then you're winning the Internet argument.
>>345332503
>It's still Quake, it's still an arena shooter.
No it is not.
You know that. Arena shooters do not have classes or different types of characters.
If arena shooters are dead, let them be. Why try to pretend your shooter is an "arena shooter" when it clearly isn't? Because this is a shameless cashgrab using the name to get more publicity.
also
>arena shooters are dead and nobody wants to play them, this is why they can't make it an arena shooter
>but this is totally an arena shooter
you don't realize this is a contradiction in your own argument ?
>>345332256
>Why call it Quake 2 if it has nothing to do with Quake 1
>>345332869
According to the interview, literally the only thing different is you presumably choose health or speed and then have an ability. There are no loadouts and you have to pick up everything from the ground.
Can you explain how it isn't an arena shooter? Was nuDoom MP not an arena shooter because it had loadouts and let you choose a demon? Would you throw a fit if you could choose stats in Street Fighter and say that it's not a fighting game anymore?
>>345333140
>Arena shooters do not have classes or different types of characters
[citation needed]
>>345333149
>implying quake 2 was an entirely different genre as quake 1
They clearly grabbing the quake IP
saying
>this is totally an arena shooter guys, just like before
and then not making it an arena shooter
if it isn't cashgrab what it is?
>>345333309
Do you consider Team Fortress an arena shooter?
>>345333140
Genres get blurred all the time. Hell look at Hexen and Strife, trying to combine FPS with light RPG elements, which led to more complex games like Thief, System Shock 2 and Deus Ex. A game can have variance in movement speed but still have pickups. Arena shooters are kinda like black metal where unless it's exactly the same as the progenitor people sperg out how it's not the same. That's not how genres work.
>>345333207
see here
>>345327008
new DOOM is not an arena shooter
>Post that Overwatch is a TF2 clone
>Overshills defend their blatant rippoff calling it a original game
>This happens
>Overshills calling this a "Overwatch shitty clone"
This is going to be a great week.
>>345333473
>Hell look at Hexen and Strife
games that took the doom engine and then did not call themselves doom because they were different genres
>deus ex
not games calling themselves "quake".
if you want to make a new ip make a new ip, don't grab an old ip and pay lip service for the sake of publicity. This is the difference between games like d44m and thi4f. d44m clearly wanted to make a doom game. thi4f just wanted the name of the ip.
quake champions clearly looks closer to thi4f then new doom.
>>345333461
>no source, but plenty of deflection
Thought so
>>345333574
The new Doom is definitely an arena shooter. So is Quake Live.
Why are arena shooter fans such autistic fucks that refuse to play anything remotely new that changes up the genre?
You can't drag out the same mechanics for this long over so many games and still expect it to be fun. You've gotta retain the best of the original while adding new stuff, kind of like what the new DOOM did.
All I can say is that you fucks complain about the genre being dead when there's at least 4 arena shooters from the last year alone that you refuse to play because it's not exactly Quake 3 word for word.
t. Someone who played Quake 3 and Unreal almost non-stop during their prime
>>345333926
>deflection
if you can't even understand why TF2 is obviously mentioned when talking about class-based games and arena shooters you're an idiot.
>>345333919
The original Prey 2 had nothing to do with Prey and people were fine with it. (Ironically people were butthurt the "new" version of Prey 2 looks nothing like the old one, despite neither looking like Prey 1 at all.)
>>345333926
I'm not the guy you were arguing with faggot I just wanted to know. I can't think of any oldschool arena shooters with class mechanics and TF isn't purely arena shootan.
I'll play it
shrug
>>345334010
single player games aren't arena shooter, retard.
>multiplayer
New doom doesn't have multiplayer.
>>345334010
new DOOM isn't an arena shooter, because by having loadouts, it means different players will have different levels of effectiveness in different combat situations right off of spawn; the spawns are not equal, unlike arena shooters like Quake where all spawns ARE equal
>>345334052
>kind of like what the new DOOM did
post discarded
fuck off blizz
>>345334052
>anything remotely new that changes up the genre?
TF2 is not new.
Changing genres entirely is not the same "changing up the genre".
>>345333919
>quake champions clearly looks closer to thi4f then new doom.
It's going to literally be Quake with Rise of the Triad-style character options. They already confirmed they're keeping the same mechanics and physics. I don't see how this is so different as to warrant a new IP.
>>345334261
whoops *bethesda
its 3am time to sleep
>It's not class based but each character will have different movement speed/air control and armour
This is not a bad thing. You faggots realize that a game like Quake Arena would not make it today. No matter how good it was it would be dead with in a month. Look at all recent Arena games, look at the new Unreal Tournament. All dead. People who complain that it's not like Quake probably have not played an Arena shooter for 15 years.
>arena shooter this arena shooter that
protip /v/: none of those games were called arena shooters in their time. not even quake3.
it's a retroactively applied label so arguing over what constitutes an arena shooter and what "rules" they follow makes you a joke
>>345334062
>no source, but plenty of deflection
Thought so
>>345334342
>literally be Quake with Rise of the Triad-style character options
so not an arena shooter. I don't see how this is similar enough to warrant zombifying a dead IP
>>345331493
they also didnt invent rts, arpg, mmos, or cardgames, so i dont get your point.
>>345334446
>You faggots realize that a game like Quake Arena would not make it today.
in that case don't call it quake
it's not that hard
blizzard made a new shooter IP just recently. They don't feel the need to call their game an "arena shooter" just to get publicity points.
>played quake1
>competed in quake1
>was part of quake1 modding community
>was part of quake1 irc community
>gonna buy this and play it
AND ENJOY IT
and ya'll 16 year olds acting like you know the first thing about quake can stfu thx :) bye~
>>345334547
If you don't want to discuss, just say so. No need to waste time here.
>>345334251
Wrong.
Also
>unlike arena shooters like Quake where all spawns ARE equal
Spawns in arena shooters aren't equal, they're peppered all over asymmetrical maps with each weapon, ammo, armor, health and power up at varying distances from each spawn point.
If you want equal spawns, you may want to try a team based shooter.
>>345334803
We can discuss once you provide the source to your original claim. Until then, you're deflecting away from the argument.
>>345334583
>I don't see how this is similar enough to warrant zombifying a dead IP
It's going to be closer to Quake 3 than D44M was to Doom. D44M had an upgrade system, double jump instead of rocket-jump, and was closer to Painkiller than og Doom gameplay. I liked it and they wanted to capture the spirit of Doom but the gameplay wasn't all that similar. Quake Champions is basically Quake with different speeds and health meters though, it's probably as close as you can possibly get without being an HD remaster.
>>345298672
I'm still gonna give it a try. I'm willing to accept characters with small variations to their abilities. It's better than a fucking MOBA FPS like Overwatch. There's still a chance that Quake could end up being pretty fucking fun.
>>345334809
Spawns as in your initial set of weapons and attributes
>>345334942
>it's probably as close as you can possibly get
lol...despite knowing basically nothing about it...
>>345298672
So, just like quake3, I guess?
>all this retards ITT having no fucking clue
>>345334942
>closer to painkiller
>no acceleration or air control compared to a game that has acceleration and air control baked in as intended mechanics
This board gets worse every day
>>345334942
>Quake Champions is basically Quake with different speeds and health meters though
don't forget hitboxes and abilites. one of the characters can rocket jump really high!
>>345335121
nobody played painkiller multi. hes tlaking about sp
in which case it is exactly like painkiller.
>>345334719
Why not? Every Quake game has been vastly different.
>>345334991
Someone who spawns next to a rocket launcher and armor has different initial weapons and attributes compared to the person who spawns next to a shotgun and health.
Your argument is invalid.
>>345335205
not really in multiplayer
>>345334719
>my special flavour of quake
The series has been run in so many directions and literally nothing sticks
>>345298672
>they didn't touch anything instead of the one fucking thing they weren't supposed to touch
goddamnit
>>345335174
There is still acceleration and air control in single player you mongoloid. Just because you're a CS baby that discovered Painkiller through Yahtzee doesn't mean it didn't exist.
>>345334991
>Random weapons and attributes are better than chosen weapons and attributes
Hilarious
>>345335360
They're clearly calling it an "arena shooter quake just like all the arena shooter quakes of the past! Except with the one thing that makes this not an arena shooter"
Genres are meant to be descriptive, not prescriptive. If only two games actually fit the description of "arena shooter," then perhaps arena shooter isn't a genre or subgenre.
>>345335547
>better
who's arguing about quality here? We're talking about the definition of genres. If you want to say "quake was shit anyway" go ahead. It has nothing to do with this thread topic.
>>345335174
>nobody played painkiller multi
It just had the biggest competition prize ever at the time (1 million dollars)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KibbuugIQT8
match starts at 29:40
>>345320000
yeah its quite sad
