Can't call yourself a SMT fag if you haven't play best game yet.
Does it count if this is the only SMT game I've played and it was for 15 minutes?
>>345202290
How's Pokémon Go going?
>>345202290
What didn't you like about it?
The amazing atmosphere, the gameplay, the not hand holding, the not easy Final Fantasy auto-save?
>>345202438
I didn't like that nigger in your crew.Will he die?
>>345202206
why is it "best game"? I'm playing SMT4 right now and enjoying it a lot more, guess I'm not really fond of dungeon crawlers.
also jimenez is just like walter.
I've played nocturne, smt4, strange journey, p3p, p4g, ds, ds2.
>>345202565
SMT 4 is a dungeon crawler too senpai
>>345202518
He dies first.
>>345202642
Ok, I'll pick it up again.
>>345202609
Well then it has the shittiest dungeons in the series.
>>345202732
No you won't.
>>345202206
Does it counts if I went to Ouroboros and then lost my save?
What is SMT even about?
>>345202852
You have to see for yourself. Demons and folklore from all world religions intersecting in an apocalyptic world and emphasis on alignment endings. I'd say emulate Nocturne or Strange Journey or play SMT IV.
>>345202609
it isn't first person at least
>>345202852
>>345202852
SMTs are RPGs that revolve around summoning demons using electronic devices. They often allow recruiting demons instead of fighting them, and fusing several demons to create a stronger one.
>>345202206
why is it so hard to grind in this game
>>345202852
get ready for demon negotiations
>>345203389
What do you mean senpai?
>>345203405
Fucking demon logic.
I miss just being able to recruit them by dancing furiously.
>>345203289
The electronic part is only sometimes true.
Is there a high res version of this cover?
>>345203430
As in, once you reach a certain level in a sector, you pretty much just have to go fight the main boss. I'm guessing it'd be easier if you level up just yourself and another demon at a time, but that'd take way too long.
>>345203526
Isn't Nocturne the only one where it's not the case, in mainline at least?
why is it even considered the best game? And that's coming from an SMT fan who completed almost every entry in the series
music and story's ok, but the whole demon alignment combo system is really weird and kinda threw me off
>>345203615
Oh, I guess if we're talking mainline then yeah
I'm in the middle of it right now. In Delphinus, just found the statue that I assume is the rosetta boss.
>>345202206
>Can't call yourself a SMT fag if you haven't play best game yet.
Oh no, a /v/irgin doesn't approve of my gaming choices!persona 2 or DeSu are best smt
>>345203623
Maybe they like the dungeon crawling or the story. Also, Demon Co-Op isn't tat complicated.
>>345202438
I got to the hedgemaze like area and lost of save.
How close was I to the end? Not sure if its worth replaying again and trying to finish
>>345203623
I liked the radically different setting, as well as the tone, and all the side quests were interesting. That said I haven't played 4 which also looks very different from 1, 2, 3.
>>345204116
You still had a ways to go.
>>345204156
4 is good but you can save anywhere, so lots of hardcore smt fans dont like it
Soul Hackers is objectively the best SMT game tho.
SJ/Nocturne/IV are entry level games for casuals.
>>345204116
>lost of save.
Fuck don't fucking remind me. I lost it at the last fucking sector
>>345202206
I was playing SMT IV and then Kirby Planet Robobot came out and now I cannot remember what I'm supposed to be doing. I just killed the big bad lake demon in shinozoubu pond or something, and I have it's head.
What do I do now?
>>345204221
Does it have similar dungeon crawling? That was one of my favorite parts of Strange Journey. I want to play 4 but it's pretty much the only reason I have for getting a 3DS, and not sure it's worth it. The setting seems a bit unappealing but then I don't know much about it.
>>345204334
Soul Hackers isn't SMT
>Magnetite
Casualizing SMT was a good move
>>345202206
Persona 4 golden is best SMT game
>>345204334
I dunno man, the plot had me really interested and the way you swap to different characters living the last moments through them is really cool but overall the virtualised world is extremely shit and overall it's a bit slow and boring
>>345204479
Setting and characters are unique but dungeons are Persona 3/4 esque hallways and demon fusion took a massive step back because every demon can learn every skill so they lose all individuality and become portable movesets.
>>345204334
>SJ/Nocturnes
>For casuals
Man, I almost agreed with your opinion too. They're not extremely difficult but theyre anything but casual.
love this game but i'm retard that got stuck on Ouroburos second form because I threw a tantrum about not wanting to farm shit, need to try to beat it again.
if i liked this and Devil Survivor, would i like that new weird looking thing for Wii U?
>>345202206
I've played it a couple of times but never beat it.
>>345204662
Agh..damn, that sounds pretty lame. I hated the dungeons in P3/4 and those changes to the demon fusion system sound very unappealing.
>>345204715
Ouroburos was really easy once I figured something out but I can't remember what that something was.
>>345204717
are you a masochist
>>345204735
Yeah, it's hilarious every time SMTfags act like their series is operating at a much higher level than Persona when IV was such a mess and fucking Mirage Sessions and P5 have far superior handcrafted dungeons.
Why didn't they call SJ smt4? I thought I recalled they said it was smt4 when they released it back then.
>>345205005
I also read something where the creator said it was basically SMT4.
Where do you guys think SMT 5 going to be? Sony or Nintendo?
Are the persona games really good or are they just memes? All i know is that you have stands and you fight in dreams/dimensions or someshit and adachi is the killer. And the waifus
>>345205005
It didn't take place in Tokyo
>>345205406
If you like the story and characters they are great. If not then no because the combat and dungeons are just sort of there for the sake of it, although some of the boss fights are decent.
I don't like anime in general but I loved the story stuff so.
>>345205598
What if I like Anime and waifu? Is there really any dating?
>>345205684
If you like anime and waifu then you'll love it even more than me. There is dating yes.
>>345205005
2 reasons. One was it wasn't directly set in Tokyo, another is supposedly they didn't want a mainline entry on the DS/portable so they had to compromise. Of course after that with the way the industry went, that was no longer a problem with 4.
It is 3.5 though.
>>345205684
There is dating but also plenty of non romance characters to hear their stories from. It's hardly a "dating sim", you help the girls confront their problems then dick them in your room.
>>345205406
They're pretty fun. Persona 4 is a little campy but personally I liked it. They're easier than the easiest SMT, but theyre kinda nice in that regard. Try 2/3 first if you plan on playing 4 though
.>>345205684
Yes there is in 3&4
>>345205378
NX launch title
full HD SMT experience, whatever controller gimmick is the demon summoning device in the game
make it happen atlus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuzvQW_gxkk
literally one of the greatest soundtracks of all time
>>345205902
It's gonna be on PS4 and reuse assets from p5
>>345204849
No, I just have a bad habit of not finishing games.
>>345205902
>full HD SMT experience, whatever controller gimmick is the demon summoning device in the game
Oh god, please no. Nintendo need to stop that shit already. I'll buy their handhelds even if they get shittier each generation, but for fuck's sake don't put SMT on a home Nintendo console. Please. Just don't do it, Atlus.
>>345206004
What do you think of SJ then?
>>345205913
How Sci fi is the game?
Does it play well on a phone?
>>345206454
Why not just play your Pokemon Go senpai?
>>345206934
Can't play it when commuting and I didn't grow up with the games to make me care about it.
>>345206454
It's very sci-fi. No idea how it plays on a phone,
>>345206454
If your phone are not toaster then I am sure it plays fine
>>345202206
I just bought this last week after emulating it and playing it off and on for years. Really wish it was a mainline console game. That music, them designs.
>>345207452
It runs 999 well.
Let's hope drastic will pull off some trick
>>345206454
Not hugely sci-fi. You've got your semi-generic futuristic spess marine military organisation with advanced tech, intelligent computers and FTL vehicles, but otherwise you're mostly fighting a variety of demons from different mythologies in zones that are thematic exaggerations of different parts of human history.
>>345202206
someboy took the "servant of god" too far
>Get to the final boss at level 70
>She instagibs my entire party in one turn
>Apparently I need to grind 20 levels to stand a chance at beating her
And then I said "fuck it" and watched the endings on youtube.
>>345207684
why do you care if it's mainline or not?
does that make the game less great?
>>345208604
or you could determine weaknesses and attack types and fuse a party with a type advantage, you know, like you're supposed to
>>345205406
Give 'em a try.Don't jump over the first games, they're different from the later ones in a good way.
>>345202206
I don't know anything about SMT but I love that cover art
>>345208903
No I think it's a great game how it is. I just meant I wish it had a bigger budget with 3D models and areas.
Is it okay to ignore the whole alignment combo? Or it is going back to haunt me for my idiocy later?
>>345202206
I gave up in THAT FUCKING PLACE, you know the one, i am a failure.
>>345202206
If is the best game, more specifically the playstation version.
Have fun never ever playing it unless you get smart and learn moon like me.
>>345209079
>No I think it's a great game how it is. I just meant I wish it had a bigger budget with 3D models and areas.
Honestly, I missed the old Wizardry-esque early SMT games, so I liked that they made it that way. I do wish they'd make a full 3D Nocturne-esque come back for 5 though, whenever they plan to make it.
>>345209174
Just grab the map of dem warps.
>>345209084
It's worth trying for it, if you can. It helps quite a lot.
It's not easy with limited demon selection early on, but by mid-game at least it's worth having half to 3/4 or full of your team be the same alignment if you can.
>>345204116
The hedgemaze is a little more than halfway through the game.
>>345209389
Is too late, my save got deleted, i don't have the will to go back, gotta wait for FINAL instead...
>>345204957
That's because Persona games are more popular and sell better so they get a bigger budget and more development time. SMT has only been on portables for about a decade now and is now more niche.
Second SMT game I've played, after Soul Hackers. I mean I'd played Persona and some of the Devil Survivors before, but those don't really count.
Strange Journey is much better designed than Soul Hackers for the most part, but holy shit does the quality flip-flop at the final boss. How could they have such a quality final boss as Manitou and then follow it up with...THIS?
It doesn't help that I was expecting something mind-blowing for a finale and then was just treated to a rather generic demon overlord. It's almost as if making her hard as shit was a compensation method for how boring she is from a story standpoint.
What happened to the "SMTcucks" guy?
Was it actually barneyfag or what?
>>345202565
>p3p
>without playing fes
Way to fuck up.
>>345204479
You probably already know this but if you want similar Wizardry type dungeon crawling you shit get the Etrian Oddysey games
>>345210076
PQ is pretty fucking similar to SJ too.
>>345210076
>>345204479
Or he could just play the older SMT games. Or Soul Hackers. Probably some others too.
>>345210076
EO is a terrible dungeon crawler though.
>>345209721
The handheld thing was probably just them trying to cash in on the popularity of the DS since it sold a shitload.
>>345209348
It could still be the first person Wizardry type dungeon crawling and be 3D. Like Etrian Oddysey on the 3DS. I'd want it on consoles though
>>345210341
No, it's because of budget. Nocturne flopped on both releases, Raidou flopped, Strange Journey flopped, NINE flopped and Imagine flopped.
>>345210730
>Nocturne flopped on both releases
Wait, really? What made them release Maniacs, then?
I recently got this game but haven't gotten around to playing it yet.
How much of it is tedious dungeoncrawling? I've heard good things about it but I'm worried that it'll be too heavy on the crawl.
>>345210730
>Nocturne flopped on both releases
Weren't there like three? I know TDE wasn't included in the first version, US got the version with TDE and Dante, and then there was another one where Raidou replaced Dante.
I liked Strange Journey, but the 20 minute pseudo scientific jargon cutscenes became really grating after a while
>>345205913
>literally one of the greatest soundtracks of all time
I've listened to the complete soundtrack and it was some of the most unremarkable stuff I've ever heard. Maybe it works well in context but that is just an overstatement
>>345210792
They made Maniax precisely because vanilla flopped. It was a desperate attempt to apologise to fans and get them to buy the game by adding in missing series tropes.
It actually performed so badly that the series creator left Atlus in shame.
>>345202206
>newfag trying to fit in saying sleepy journey is the best smt
every time
>>345205913
Outside of a few tracks it's not even close to some of the other SMT games/spinoffs.
>>345211135
Fucking hell. And you're saying Maniax flopped too? Christ. No wonder it's handheld (or even fucking digital only, fuck the PAL regions) now.
That's really depressing.
>>345210730
That and following the success of Etrian Odyssey on the DS. It even used the same engine. It seems like handhelds are the way to go for classic-style dungeon crawlers. It's where the audience is.
>>345205406
Its a roleplaying experience first and foremost. What it seeks out to do it does really well, the games are very immersive.
The gameplay itself is solid, combat looks great. Biggest problem are the dungeons which are literally randomized in Persona 3 with the exception of a few story missions, and in Persona 4 they might aswell be randomized too because the dungeon design is completely unremarkable. It strikes a good balance between dungeon crawling and roleplay-experience though, so it evens out.
Persona 1+2 and Persona 3+4+5 may aswell be seperate entities, so start with Persona 3FES
>>345206132
It's fucking amazing.
I plan on replaying it again and this time actually finishing it.
>>345211579
Why you didn't finished it last time senpai?
>>345203623
Tryhards and contrarians basically.
Some time ago it was all about smt 2 and nocturne. Now it's all about sucking Sleepy Journey and calling nocturne the worst one even if it's the most philosophical and complete SMT.
What's the consensus on Final overall?
Good, enjoyable, bad?
Strange Journey drags and can get boring
Soul Hackers is the GOAT
>>345211442
But SMT IV was the farthest thing from a classic style dungeon crawler. It didn't even try in that regard.
>>345202852
remember when pokemon first came out?
how the religious people were claiming it was an elaborate satanic ruse meant to brainwash kids in to worshipping satan and summon demons?
basically imagine some jap heard that and figured that was a great premise for a game
smt is pretty much that
>>345211913
Soul hackers is shit.
>>345212005
IV was very obviously influenced by P3/4.
>>345212146
Plebeian fuccboi detected
>>345211775
It's been a minute since I bothered with /smtg/ or /v/ smt threads, but I honestly can't remember anyone shittalking Nocturne basically ever.
>>345202206
Fuck off holy fuck.
It uses one of the worst systems on the franchise, the story is preachy and boring, the dungeons drag on too much and the visuals are uninspired save some dungeons near the end.
You are just a contrarian, go play the rest of the games.
>>345212207
Tryhard autist detected
>Get to Fornax
>Beat Alice
>Try to fuse her
>Can't get a good range of offensive spells for her moveset without abusing codes
And that's why I stopped playing SJ about five fucking years ago and never picked it back up. The same thing happened when I tried to fuse Amaterasu in Nocturne. Skill inheritence drove me up the fucking wall in those games.
>>345212346
Explain why it's bad then, casual
>>345211695
Like I said, I have a bad habit of not finishing games.
>>345212306
Then again, I don't remember people shitting on SJ which I'm seeing a lot of now
>>345212306
I am surprised you never saw it. Just imagine 200% the "nocturnebaby" shitposting.
>>345206128
Kill yourself
>>345212306
Honestly nobody is shitting it? The OP just said SJ is the best game. Nothing about Nocturne?
>>345212696
There's a lot of SJ fans that didn't play or don't like the other games because it's in japan etc. It's basically the new nocturnebaby.
>>345207148
He's laughing at you
>>345212696
It's contrarianism I guess. Nocturne went from smtfags favourite game to HURR NOCTURNEBABBIES REEEE and SJ got it's dick sucked. Now apparently SJ is also shit and Soul Hackers is the cool smt.
And for the record I love both Nocturne and SJ (will try Soul hackers after finishing SMT I and II)
>>345212852
Well yes. I don't see it here in this thread, and I don't remember it back when I used to frequent the threads, but the post I replied to indicated Nocturne has at some point been getting a lot of shit.
Personally I'm pretty fond of both
How's SMT Final compared to SMT 4? Any gameplay improvements, are there new apps and stuff?
>>345212056
>tfw religious zealots are probably the reason we didn't get those games
>>345211913
SH is the worst megaten game I played though.
>>345213489
Explain
>>345213489
Sadly I have to agree. I loved the setting, the story and the soundtrack were decent, but the combat felt so bad throughout the whole game. I was glad to see where some of the things like weapon fusing and fusion conditions came from.
How long is typical SJ playthrough? Maybe I can finished it before Apocalypse. I still have some backlog though
>>345212056
However smt has been around since 87.
>>345213609
Explain what? I can see why people liked it but it bored me the most.
Having the specific vibe of the games that came from ps1/saturn/n64 era that I dislike very much didn't help.
>>345213780
Yeah I think he was just proposing a hypothetical.
>>345212832
And? I didn't say anything about the old games, and the SNES was a fantastic, gimmick-free console. Making SMT a fucking Nintendo launch title in this day and age means Atlus will get assraped over support for whatever shit gimmick Nintendo want to push for the NX. So no, you go kill yourself for wanting anything like that shit.
>>345213293
want to know this too
the gameplay footage I've seen was way too samey
>he used a guide to beat Eridanus
>>345213893
So you're underage with shit taste
Ok then
>>345214704
I'm pretty sure I just hugged a wall. I don't even remember it being that bad to get through.
>>345210730
They did want to make a game with a smaller team, but they chose the DS because it had the biggest install base of their audience
>>345202206
this game is fucking horrible. it's one long dungeon, with little world interaction and story. you grind for like an hour to get 5 minutes of story.
You design an entire game around grinding to progress, which is already a horrible fucking mechanic, because there's little reward. On top of that, you introduce random moves that can 1 hit ko you, which just punish you for no fucking reason for deciding to grind.
It's a horrible horrible game. Games smt2, soul hackers, shit like that are far more rewarding becuase im not in one shitty dungeon for 15 hours.
>>345214714
How exactly did you come to that consclusion?
>>345214028
Nintendo's never forced third parties to use console gimmicks. Most Wii U games hardly use them, even first-party ones.
>>345215006
welcome to dungeon crawlers
>>345215130
I guess dungeon crawlers suck ass then.
>>345215070
Pretty sure they all have to support the shitty touchpad controller to some degree, and even SMT IV had to implement the shit 3D on the 3DS.
It's a total waste of time and resources and they really need to stop already.
>>345214923
The bullshit is that one secret door that unlike every other secret door is not in a corner or in dead end.
And it's at the teleport maze area so you assume that the path forward is in that.
>>345213780
Not in English
>>345215196
No, just you.
>>345215201
No, there are games that don't use the Gamepad screen at all besides being able to mirror what's on the television. And developers aren't required to use the 3D on the 3DS, there are games that don't use it. Enabling 3D view is hardly something that takes up significant time and resources, though.
>>345215453
Honestly, I don't remember very well. I remember the multi-floored teleport levels in SMT II and the Kalpas in Nocturne being more frustrating, really.
>>345215613
mhm, if you'd like to address my complaints to explain why those mechanics are good(sorry, git gud doesnt mean theyre fun, just youre autistic enough to devote enough time into a bad game), then maybe you can say that.
but im not going to stick around because your opinions are worthless to me
>>345215006
So basically, you like older dungeon crawlers
>>345215643
Maybe. But if it's a launch title? I really fucking doubt they wouldn't push that shit, that's pretty much what launch titles are for, after all.
Instead of Eridanus I had more trouble in the last dungeon when you were supposed to randomly decide to walk out onto and navigate all those invisible walkways.
>>345204962
>>345210041
persona is fucking trash, so he fucked up regardless.
>>345215794
Why are you grinding instead of fusing stronger demons/ ones with type advantages over what you're fighting?
Why don't you have Death resistance equipped if you keep getting instakilled?
Didn't take long at all to tell you how braindead you are, hope you stuck around.
>>345212186
Eh, only insofar as going back to 3d dungeons and the whole attack enemies on the map thing. And that part is alright, it's just that the game is incredibly weak in actual dungeon design compared to basically any other mainline title.
I'm hoping Apocalypse will do something to fix that
>>345215006
Wow this idiot. You don't know what dungeon crawler is? Dumb fag
>>345215996
So far Persona 5 seems more reminiscent of mainline SMT games than SMT IV/Final with their shit dungeons and fusion.
Hope you enjoy it when you inevitably play it.
>>345216348
But what about my superior VA?
>>345216446
what's stopping you from importing
>>345215201
I don't really see how any JRPG wouldn't benefit from a second screen. As a gimmick it's not as horrible as you seem to imagine.
>>345216513
But I am dumb for moonrunes. No more time learning now that it was near release
>>345216842
Second screens don't really help anything, it's just a menu/HUD alternative in most cases. I can't think of any case where the game benefited from it, not even MonHun needed it. I'd rather they spend time making the core game design good.
>>345216997
You could start now anyway
>>345217145
Moving a menu or a map doesn't take any time away from the core game design. It just saves time for the player.
>>345217310
Meh. About the only thing worth making for SMT would be some kind of COMP peripheral to strap the touch-screen to your arm, and even then it would probably be more of a faff than anything else.
Can't really see the appeal otherwise.
>>345202351
Good one
I like SJ but I still think Nocturne is the best.
Best alignement?
>>345217803
Chaos for first playthrough, easier endgame and GOAT final boss design.
>>345217803
Neutral.
>>345217803
Law, obviously.
>>345217803
White.
>>345217898
>>345218102
>>345218351
How many ending in SJ? Do I need to replay it times to get the ending? Or cam I reload from certain point?
>>345218670
Neutral the best though. Magical wise negro is awesome.
>>345202206
What build is the best? I am struggling
>>345218771
Fuck I am drunk
>Do I need to replay it many times to get all ending?
>Can I reload from certain point to get all endings without replaying the game from beginning?
>>345218871
>build
Team composition?
>>345206454
I had it on my Droid. It's works pretty well.
>>345219062
I mean the lv up stat. Which one should I go for?
>>345208604
Pretty much this.
I fused a fucking Odin with Concentrate, Megidolaon, AND Enduring Soul and still died.
>>345204451
give the head to the horses
>>345219276
I went with Physical support and I did just fine, having shit tons of VIT is always useful.
>>345219276
In SJ? It doesn't matter. If I remember correctly you don't choose what stats to get after initial questions and it doesn't really matter since demons will do most of the damage and you'll just support them.
>>345217803
Neutral.
>>345215006
ANOTHER BITCH ASS MESSIAH
>>345202206
I really wanna play it but at the same time I don't.
I love SMT games, however I don't care for the First person ones like soul hackers.
Can anyone convince me to play it because I've been on the fence for months. I also didn't like how in soul hackers walking drained your summoning energy w/e it was called.
Also you seemed to have less control over your demons compared to the newer games.
>>345221159
Do you like dungeon crawler with little story? If yes then play it. If no, then maybe it just not suited for you
>>345221332
It really depends on the combat, like how does compare to SMT4 or soul hackers. I had a lot of fun with SMT4's combat but didn't care for soul hackers combat.
>>345221504
I think it is quite typical SMT battle style. I also don't like Soul Hacker battle style. But I am OK with SJ. Just YouTube some videos to get a feel anon
>>345205406
Persona 1 and 2 are old fashioned dark dungeon crawlers. They have decent gameplay, good characters, good stories, and good music. Persona 3 and 4 are so different they may as well be a different series. The main draw to them is the highschool/social sim elements which are not present in 1 and 2 (you may play as highschool students in 1 and 2: IS, but they're not highschool sims) and the social links, which 3 introduced to the series. There's dungeon crawling, but it's not that great, the dungeons are just randomly generated and the plot moves at what I think is the most glacial pace I've ever seen in a JRPG. Personally, I don't understand why people like 3 and 4. There's VNs if you want social simulation and lots of games do the RPG portions better. But hey, you may like them.
>>345206128
Wii u controller as your comp nigga!
>>345221159
First-person's the root of SMT. If you don't like first-person view in dungeons, then you might not end up liking Strange Journey much.
If you don't like the Magnetite and demon loyalty systems, there's nothing like that to worry about in Strange Journey. You can move and use demons freely without worrying about any usage costs or limitations in which skills the demons like. The combat itself is standard.
How are DDS 1-2 in terms of difficulty?
I'm not afraid to admit that I'm a bit of a faggot with JRPGs and I only play story-driven ones.
I don't mind the slower pacing, but I'm pretty shit at anything that requires figuring out specific strategies and stuff to avoid getting fucking annihilated like I've seen on other SMTs.
>>345222293
They are much more forgiven than Nocturne. Except for the super boss. I think DDS is not that hard. That's for SMT games at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3eMjYAOjNo
GOAT OST
>>345202206
God no. Demon Co-op and the fusion system were ass. Great dungeons though.
>>345222607
>have the physical copy with ost cd
Feels good man.
