So has this game made you learn your leasson about kickstarter/patreon projects?http://s-purple.tumblr.com/post/147484294391/breeding-seasons-cancelation-my-side-of-theIm still not buying into shwig's/spurple bullshit, both him and hbomb fucked up but he did most of the damage
Considering the art, I don't think it was going to turn out well, even as fap bait.
Shame about the situation though
Woah nigga, I ain't gonna read all that shit. Someone give me the tldr of Schwig's post please
This was never going to succeed in the first place.
>people STILL place their trust and money into kikestarter
baka desu senpai
As if this would be the first failed kikestarter/patreon you've seen. Also I couldn't stand the awful lineart, nothing of value was lost.
>>345184331
Only idiots donate. Charities are scams.
You're not investors and you can't hold them accountable.
Everyone who donated on Kickstarter was and still is an idiot.
>>345185073
There's nothing wrong with kickstarter.
The retards will donate and we'll reap the good things that come of it with no drawbacks.
>>345184331
Jesus fuck, HBomb was fucking cucked for 11 months and that's why the updates slowed to a crawl?
No wonder Shwig bailed.
>>345185584
'Shwig is the devil' /v/ said.
'Never trust the broquest jew' /v/ said.
All you niggers...In terms of anything fapable for any man I could know, this game and many othwrs , no not even this, any GAME or SITE for that matter, I'd have givens thousands which I ha e to give to continue
Places like r34 or gel or 4chan or even patron fuel our dreams, I'd have single handedly backed any game I thought would have a future or an artist in the same vein
>>345184962
Plenty of great games on Kickstarter.
>>345185073
>being so poor that you're this butthurt over the possibility of losing $20
Shwig did absolutely nothing wrong
>>345185964
>being such a beta that your fine with losing any sum of money
I want to breed with Vanilly
>>345186171
Do you cry whenever a penny falls out of your old jean pockets?
>leave one game for another that is basically the same
>>345185942
Name 3 that came out.
>>345185584
HBomb was trying to fuck his roommate's ex wife. Gee what could go wrong with that.
>>345186290
FTL
Giana Sisters
Not even him.
>>345186290
Divinity: Original Sin
LISA
Sunless Sea
>>345186405
Im going to need a source on that anon
>>345186252
Do you cry every time I fuck your mom while you watch?
>>345186290
Wasteland 2
Expeditions Conquistador
Warmachine
>>345186464
My dad works at Nintend- I mean, he works for the development team.
Trust me. :^)
>>345186464
>Love song
Pathetic
>>345184331
God, that's way too long.
After reading the whole thing, though, it still seems like S-Purple's fault, really. He hasn't refuted that he blocked H-Bomb from hiring a project manager, and he's painted H-Bomb's absences in an incredibly negative light, without mentioning at all that they were for psychological reasons. The project manager thing is a huge strike against him, given how often he slams H-Bomb's management skills in the post.
He has mentioned that he didn't take the role of "mechanical designer", but he also mentions that there WERE scope increases without H-Bomb's permission, made by "the team". Given that H-Bomb seems to think that S-Purple was the one who made those increases, it seems likely that he was a major driving force behind those changes. Especially given that he did, yes, essentially own the entire project. Be honest, if the owner is gone, and the guy who owns half of the money is there, and he says "hey, what if we added x new traits?", would you say no?
Vanilly clearly thinks that overall the project was just a mess. There were absences, H-Bomb was clearly not a competent manager, but Shwig was preventing him from hiring one.
Overall, I think that these posts are from people with two very different viewpoints on the matter, who completely fail to understand one another. That's the real reason for why the project failed, most likely - a lack of communication. From the situation given, I'd say that S-Purple is probably the root cause, though. It seems like he's probably the sort of person who acts without realizing the consequences of his actions, how they will affect others. When he talks, he probably doesn't consider how what he says will affect others.
But that's just my guess at what happened.
>>345186685
What the fuck.
>>345186685
>bought a fucking piano
Holy shit.
Anyone has the latest version?
>>345186290
Pillars of Eternity
Shadowrun Returns
Shadowrun: Hong Kong
Hyper Light Drifter
Shovel Knight
Stasis
Bedlam
The Banner Saga
>>345186773
>>345186690
>btw i'm totally not hbomb guise :^)
>>345186935
>btw i'm totally not shwig guise :^)
>>345186770
Pianos are fairly cheap unless they're brand new.
>>345184962
>nikestarter
I don't get it
>>345186685
>Instead of making your game, I used your money to buy a damn piano
I don't think I've heard a better excuse for a kickstarter failure yet. gg, faggots.
The only time when it's done right is when WE do it. Everyone else plebing sucks.
>>345186770
>>345187024
Why didn't he just buy a fucking acoustic guitar?
Where's the mega with all the assets that was supposed to go up the other day
So, what I'm gathering here is that they're both incompetent shits who shouldn't be trusted with donations.
>>345187123
I don't know that a guitar is any easier to play than a piano, but I guess it is cheaper.
>>345184786
tl:dr "I wasn't trying to ruin the project, I was trying to SAVE the project. Please give me your money!"
>>345186848
Please, answer this guy
>>345186290
add Chroma Squad to the list
and say what you want about MN9, but it DID get released
>>345187130
Except us.
>>345187267
It was better than nothing
>>345187130
HBomb is incompetent and admitted as such. He has some talent, but this thing got way bigger than he ever imagined and he didn't know how to cope.
Schwig was deliberately manipulative and went full Jew.
>>345186685
>>345186763
>>345186770
>>345187056
>yfw you were supporting somebody who used the funds to buy a piano and teach himself to play to make love songs to try and cuck his roommate.
>>345186690
The problem is that either of them could have owned up and stopped being a manchild and actually either respectfully gone separate ways or actually acted like adults at all.
The problem is that S-Purple is an egotistical child that only does shit his way, and H-Bomb is a socially inept and managerial challenged manchild that was so bad at drafting business contracts and maintaining moral that the project was doomed from the start.
H-bomb is inept, and S-Purple is full of himself, two sides of a shit coin
>>345187250
Wasn't the latest build in the dev leak?
>>345187130
At least Shwig was drawing shit. Everything seems to indicate H-Bomb was taking month-long breaks and not contributing.
I checked the streams a half dozen times. Only once did I see H-Bomb programming, and it was on the fishing minigame for like an hour and then bounced.
>>345187130
Hbomb was incompetent and naive. Shwig was a typical jew.
>paying for porn
>>345187224
Given the buttload of evidence he just dropped of HBomb's incompetence? I think it's safe to say he was.
question
what happens when I dont make these payments in time?
shes talking about court of justice but nothing really happens
>>345187290
That's the thing, it literally was.
I pledged for Clang and that shit never came out at all.
No>>345186252
Not even the same argument you numb skull LOL. How is accidentally dropping money and some random picking up some minor change any bit similar to giving money to some jew who is saying he will deliver and then runs with it. You're a fucking dumbass
>>345187370
what the hell are you on about?
>>345186935
>Implying Hbomb could be that reasonable
The dudes too mental for that
>>345187130
Obviously. Even if 100% of what Shwig says is true, he still can't erase the fact that for all his months of supposed work he doesn't have anything more than a handful of shitty motion tweened animations that a competent person could have made in a couple of weeks.
>>345187291
>took money out of their joint account to pay personal taxes
If anyone went full jew it was Hbomb
>>345184331
Maybe now Shwig will just make a fucking bestiary.
>>345187326
>S-jew not the one fucking up
Someone post that chart that shows there was BARELY any animation done.
Hbomb working
>>345187304
Right, something like that.
The issue ends up being that H-Bomb is less at fault because he had no idea what he was signing up for. He thought the game was going to be small and stay small. The game was perfectly fine when it was a shitty flash game, so we know he could handle at least that level. It also doesn't help that halfway through the project he had to go through a lot of personal shit, or that Shwig didn't let him hire a PM.
The most you can say for Shwig is that he did his job, he did art, but at best he's the reason for why the project was mismanaged, and at worst he's that, he's the reason the game's scope got so out of control, and he's a large part of why H-Bomb was so stressed.
>>345187416
I am talking about the ingame stuff you have to do
>>345187402
It's the equivalent of intentionally dropping some change on the ground for some rando to pick up, except there is a good possibility (see the list of released games in this very thread) that several months or years down the line that rando will come back and give you something that you like in exchange for that change you dropped.
>>345187659
piss off hbomb
>>345187776
piss of shwig
>>345187659
See, that doesn't hold up.
Even if we use that excuse, that doesn't excuse HBomb literally crawling in on himself and not updating shit, only clocking in to collect the money. It doesn't justify him stealing money from the jointly held accounts to pay his taxes.
I'm sorry, HBomb is either mentally incompetent, in which case S-Purple was absolutely right to shink the project as he did and salvage what he could of it, because it never would have gone anywhere except to drag more money out of people.
Or HBomb is fucking criminal and lazy, and S-Purple was in the right for the same damn reason.
There's no getting around the fact that Shwig's initial statement, that the only way to salvage breeding season was to rip it down and rebuild it completely outside of HBomb's control, is 100% factual no matter how you look at it.
>>345187618
>Maybe now Shwig will just make a fucking bestiary.
The game is originally a bestiary until Schwig roller coasted it into monster girl shit.
Why would you think he, the one who change the game original direction, would go back to its root?
>>345187910
Uh... no? It wasn't?
Wow, people are desperate to blame Shwig for ruining everything. I played the original game, way back before shwig when shit was REALLY ugly looking. It always was a monster girl fucking game.
>>345187850
There's a chart floating around that pointed out the reason why this project is crawling on its four legs is because of the art/animation that fall way way behind the schedule.
>>345184331
>Everyones just a different coloured human
Whats the point?
>>345188075
Yeah, but reading this? Even if we go on the basis that "Shwig was putting out too much work to be coded quickly"
HBomb wasn't even CODING shit. Everything coded in the past few months was their secondary coder Fleet..
So you STILL have HBomb doing jack fucking all.
>>345188138
Even if HBomb does jack shit its not an excuse for all those unfinished artwork and animation.
You don't need programmers for those.
We have all the assets, why doesnt /v/ finish breeding season?
>>345188208
Depends, if you're also juggling PR, design talks, weekly meetings, managing to get everyone paid from the jointly held account you need to double check on each month to make sure your AWOL partner didn't plunder because he wanted to buy another piano...
>>345188271
can anyone stop the piano man?
>>345188039
Yeah, there's a couple of mongirl but the main idea has always been to breed a monster.
He keeps adding more and more mongirl and even a human NPC.
Its pretty fucking clear that he is more interested on humanoid shit than bestiary.
For you to hope that he would do more bestiary is nothing but a pipe dream.
>learning piano just to try getting into the pants of a recently divorced friend
TOP
KEK
>>345187850
I think Shwig made the right choice in leaving the project.
I just also think he's mostly the reason for why it got so bad.
>>345188138
>HBomb wasn't even CODING shit.
But he WAS coding shit before Shwig got brought on. The game WAS there. There was a lack of progress, but that was mainly in terms of assets.
The issues with programming only appeared after Shwig was contracted, when the project got big. I can't say in good consciousness that H-Bomb was responsible for his inability to perform, because all signs point to Shwig being the reason for everything happening which MADE him unable to perform.
>>345188341
Yeah, see, that doesn't really make sense...
OH!
YOU MEAN BEASTIALITY
Okay, question? What does a feral harpy even look like? Do you really want to fuck a chicken?
>>345184331
Oh man, I love Schwig's excuse "H-Bomb didn't put me on a short leash so everything is his fault." Yeah, H-Bomb should take most of the blame but Schwig is still a complete scumbag. He didn't refute jack shit of H-Bomb's allegations. People donating to Cloudy Meadow right now must be the stupidest motherfuckers.
Okay in summary.
>H-Bomb is a stupid manchildren who simply couldn''t manage anything of this scope and fucked up IRL and couldn't work on most shits
>S-Purple is an asshole jew who stopped H-Bomb for hiring an actual project manager who would safe the game because he didn't want to waste money on it and in the end literally fleed the sinking ship with half of the money to make the exact same game 2.0
>In the end they are both cunts but S-Purple is simply the central point on why the game got fucked over
Did I get everything right?
>>345188208
>You don't need a programmer for animation
The animations probably remained unfinished because work didnt want to be put into something that could possibly not have worked, or been scrapped because you don't know until its fucking coded in in the first place.
you ALWAYS have placeholder shit coded in, they didn't have that, what justification would there be in putting work into finishing animations that there was no guarantee would make it into the game because the coder wasn't doing shit.
They are both lazy entitled fucks swimming in donation money and faux popularity, but cmon man
>>345188413
>But he WAS coding shit before Shwig got brought on. The game WAS there. There was a lack of progress, but that was mainly in terms of assets.
No he wasn't. I was there senpai. HBomb stopped updating for a few months, and the people who invested were getting really pissed, started demanding their money back. Then Shwig comes on, and the game starts progressing again.
>>345188435
He already said he didn't make off with half the money.
Further? Reading his contract? He's not entitled to half the money.
He gets HALF the money, LESS all expenses.
That means that if HBomb actually stuck to the contract? He made off with half the funding, did nothing, and Shwig didn't get paid half.
This would explain why Shwig only got 9000 for last month, which is waaaay the fuck less than half of 42k.
He should have gotten 21k from last month if he actually ran off with half the funds.
More likely HBomb lied through his ass about the theft, while he actually made off with half the money.
>>345188418Is that really a question?
>>345188486
What I'm trying to say is that neither of them are doing their fucking job.
HBomb not doing his part is NO EXCUSE for Schwig to abandon his.
>>345188625
Shwig couldn't do his job though. His job was making art, but that art wasn't being implemented.
If >>345188619 is right, then HBomb was eating up 50% of the funding, and that's how the contract is worded, and HBomb was REALLY BIG on keeping exactly to the contract.
>>345188418
>Do you really want to fuck a chicken?
You need to ask?
>It should be noted that despite the 3 year development cycle of Breeding Season, the virtually all of the developmental progress was achieved in the art and animation department, while the coding and plot development, which was Hbombs obligation, remained barebones and barren.
I read this bit and fucking clapped.
This is exactly why I never damned him for burning the bridge with H-bomb. I knew for years that the game simply wasn't being developed and that all the blame was being put on the art taking a long time. Bullshit, man. The game's UI took fucking YEARS to be changed when it was the biggest problem, and NOW the UI is only different BUT NOT BETTER. Actual gameplay was forgotten. Shit drove me crazy.
>>345185073
I have a 100% success rate on kickstarter. EVERYTHING I've backed has delivered in a way that was satisfactory.
Turns out if you're not an idiot who buys into pie in the sky nonsense, you get your money's worth.
>>345188268
>If politics is such shit, why doesn't /pol/ create their own party and win the elections?
>>345188418
Harpy have always been a half human/humanoid creature.
That is a fucking loaded question you asshole.
>>345188490
>I was there
Sure, buddy.
And yeah, of course H-Bomb wasn't updating. Because he had to do all of the animations and drawings himself. The game mechanics were completely in place, 100%, you could play "the game" in its entirety, but it was missing all of its animations and shit.
That's why Shwig was brought on to help instead of a programmer. Because the animations and shit were where 90% of the problem was.
>>345188703
It appears shwig really did NOTHING wrong.
>>345184331
I don't pay for PC games that are finished, let alone ones that aren't.
>>345188703
It's really not impressive to say that "all of the work done was in the art and animation" when 90% of that work had to be scrapped because Shwig changed the art style slightly.
Especially since the end result is still barely fucking any art or animation.
>>345188847
Passing your work load onto someone else is not ok
>>345188691
Pretty sure Schwig amass around 190k in total.
How much did BS get in total till its shut down?
>>345188819
>Because the animations and shit were where 90% of the problem was.
The old art/animations were ugly, but in an endearing and somewhat fappable way.
>>345188919
Something had to be done to justify the money they were being paid. Not everyone's as content with ripping off people as H-Bomb; coasting off obligations he never had the competence to fulfill.
>>345188968
>I'm a biology major with ADD that bought a piano to try to cuck his roomate, but I swear I wasn't incompetent!
>>345188974
Yeah but we're only guessing that from the word of the guy who said he ran off with half the money, and the 9k which Shwig says he only got yesterday, and never wanted to touch anyway.
So if we're assuming that HBomb is giving us loaded numbers, given the contract says that Shwig was paid from half, less whatever was used to buy contracted labor and such, then he might have 'earned' 190k if that's fully half of the cash.
But he didn't GET that money when you consider his chunk of the cash was reduced by Vanilly, Subtank, Fleet, and website fees and shit.
How much did Breeding Season make?
>>345188968
>>345189135
They're both fuckheads who fed off eachother fuckheadedness to justify being bigger fuckheads
>>345189168
Around 35k at this time last year I think. Around 15k around the time HBomb made that rant about finishing the game 'no matter what happened, even if I have to draw all the assets on my death bed'
>>345189142
A word of a guy that have yet to be refuted by Schwig.
>But he didn't GET that money when you consider his chunk of the cash was reduced by Vanilly, Subtank, Fleet, and website fees and shit.
What makes you assume that all those payments were cut from his?
>Never back anything
>Never get disappointingDoes buying Cube World count as backing it?
>>345189042
>Not everyone's as content with ripping off people as H-Bomb; coasting off obligations he never had the competence to fulfill.
Sure, but he didn't think he was going to have to fulfill that level of obligations. He had no clue that it was going to turn into a project that huge. Nor that, if it did, he wouldn't be able to hire someone who could properly manage it.
And honestly, would you have given up that much strings-free money if you realized that you weren't going to be able to deliver? I sure wouldn't.
>>345189394
You realize if you're giving h-bomb a free pass on that, why are you painting shwig as the devil, when the only difference is that shwig actually put in some level of work?
>>345189261
His contract. Look at the payment stuff. He's paid 50%, LESS the amount of any expenses.
>>345189394
>i didnt think this project was going to turn out to be so big therefore i can rip off people who backed it
>>345184331
https://www.patreon.com/CloudMeadow
>already getting 1.4k a month
Do people not realize the same thing is going to happen?
>>345189394
>Sure, but he didn't think he was going to have to fulfill that level of obligations.
So fucking what? Being too retarded to realise what you're getting yourself in to is not an excuse for being a total fuck-up and borderline fraud.
The responsible thing to would have been to either toughen up and finish it, or toughen up and come clean.
Alas, he was too beta to do either, and instead coasted on money he didn't deserve.
>>345189394
I'm not in a position to say what I would have done because I'm not a programmer or an artist.
I do however have experience with keeping my word and getting paid and I can say with certainty that if I didn't do the work I promised, I wouldn't take the money. That's how I was raised.
Does that mean everyone should be held to the same standard? Probably not. Some people value money a lot more than I do. Maybe they grew up eating ramen sandwiches who the fuck knows.
>>345189394
H-Bomb is a deal-renegading, lazy, doxxing, emotional wreck. Pretty much none of what he did was excusable in any way.
>>345189394
>And honestly, would you have given up that much strings-free money if you realized that you weren't going to be able to deliver? I sure wouldn't.
Yes? Or I'd have distanced myself from the development level except in a pure creative director capacity and hired people at full wages, like, $2500-4500 a month depending on how much work I needed them to do.
I'd have fucking incorporated. I'd have built an actual business that would RUN for me.
How many Patreons can fund a fucking small business? His could, and he pissed it away.
He could have hired an accountant, a lawyer, a fucking financial advisor, all of those things if he didn't have the skills.
Both sides of the story sound like dicks honestly. This H-Bomb fellow sounds like a huge retard who's wasting people's money but if that's the case why did S-Purple cover for him?
>The entire team had to do enormous amounts of PR to cover for his absence and lack of progress and even covering this up for him to the fans
So they purposefully deceived the people who game them money?
And if he decided to drop the project correctly to move on, why didn't he just say so publicly so that he would stop receiving money for a game he wouldn't be working on and so that backers would know to stop their contribution to the project? He kept getting the patreon money to work on a different project in secret, that's scummy.
They all come out of that as unprofessional amateurs from this. I don't understand why so many people gave them money for a boring grindy game before that but you really need to be a desperate twat to give them a cent.
>>345188703
>the virtually all of the developmental progress was achieved in the art and animation department
>3 years of art progress, all to show for it is some catgirl scenes and female breeder scenes
Clap all you want, retard.
>>345189573
I can't believe people are throwing money at this shit after this whole debacle.Truth be told, I liked Breeding season mostly for S-cunt art
>>345184331
Nope shantae, Bloodstained and Yuuka Laylee looks amazing. All the shit ks like blunder 9 and this I didn't back
>>345189639
Given how indie games work? They probably thought of him as a friend for a REALLY LONG time. You cover for your friends. "He'll get better, we can make him better. We just have to try harder on our end."
>>345189623
Working behind the scene, preparing your own project while fooling your teammate thinking that they were working for other stuff that they were paid for is equally inexcusable.
Also
>doxxing
First time I've heard this, how did HBomb do it?
>>345189636
He's just going to say that Schwig wouldn't let him do those things. (Which is nonsense.)
>>345189649
Meanwhile literally nothing was completed coding-wise besides the few minigames Fleet made.
>people in this thread defending KS
Name me ten objectively good KS games that are not just mediocre rehashes of older games
>>345189649
>3 years of coding progress
>a new quest line to unlock a gameplay feature that should be available from day 1
>oh and did I mention it's irredeemably broken?
>>345189737
>Working behind the scene, preparing your own project while fooling your teammate thinking that they were working for other stuff that they were paid for is equally inexcusable.
AND still receiving the patreon money Anon.
That's the most important part for me.
Spurple is just another asshole jew.
>>345189636
Did you not read both posts? Hbomb said shwig wouldn't let him hire anyone, and Shwig himself talks about how he didn't want to hire anyone at all because "the money wasn't stable" while him and hbomb were collecting big 10k+ checks
>>345189813
But he didn't recieve the money. H-bomb claimed he did. Shwig didn;t.
Did you even read the post?
>>345189483
Schwig need a proper manager breathing down his neck and dare to say no tho his idea of revamping the art for the third time.
He DID some work, but most of the stuff he decide to work on went on a waste and this dragged everybody else with it.
HBomb know that they need a proper manager and proposed this to Schwig, but Schwig being Schwig he outright refuse this knowing that he doesn't like to be bossed around.
Again, both of them is retarded and neither of them have nothing to show off to their backers.
>>345189737
doxxing's definition has changed from collecting everything from home address and personal phone number to just posting their real name and a not-so-private email address
>>345189813
from shwig's rebuttal, he said he wasn't going to take patreon money for the last month since he was working on the new project
>>345189867
Assume the people you're arguing with never read anything; not even your posts.
>>345189483
I'm not painting him as the devil. I never did that. Follow the reply chain, this literally started as "you know it's not that impressive that 90% of the work done was art and animations when there's still barely any art or animation".
>>345189515
>>345189574
>>345189603
>>345189623
>oh boy, I sure do love giving up a 42k-per-month-minus-expenses revenue stream I'm under no legal obligation to deliver on!
Come on, man. You'd do the same thing. Especially if it was your little porn baby on the line. I'm sure that H-Bomb still wanted the project to get finished.
It's ridiculous to expect people to perform at a higher and higher level with more and more donations anyways. That's why Kickstarters are so dangerous. If you get 10x as much money as you want, you shouldn't be trying to make a game that costs 10x as much, with 10x as much quality, and backers are unreasonable if they expect you to. You should still be delivering the exact game you promised.
>>345189636
>I'd have distanced myself from the development level except in a pure creative director capacity and hired people at full wages, like, $2500-4500 a month depending on how much work I needed them to do.
He tried to hire a project manager and Shwig didn't let him.
>>345189874
>but Schwig being Schwig he outright refuse this knowing that he doesn't like to be bossed around.
Didn't he said that it was because their revenue wasn't stable enough (Which I personally read as "I don't want to waste money on this).
I wonder if H-Bomb is going to answer that. If he does it's going to be hilarious.
>>345189947
Was that before or after the piano?
>>345190030
>>345189983
Even if they were paying the rest of the team 5k checks (which seems highly unlikely but we'll never know) they were still collecting 7.5k pay checks each with 31k~ donations a month, the idea that they didn't have the money to hire a worker for 2k a month to manage the project is laughable, shwig just did his best to shwig as much of the money as he could
>>345190008
Honestly, whoever win their argument, I don't think any of them could be trusted with money again.
I still don't understand why so many people were giving them so much money after all this time. Everybody saw this coming for a long time, there was hardly any significant progress since, like, almost two years now? Akabur is Alexey Stakhanov in comparison.
They're both scummy assholes but the backers really have no excuse, it's like giving money to one of those nigerian princes.
>>345190103
Yeah. Given that there's really no clear "right" answer in any of this, I'm still amazed that Shwig's getting so much money from Patreon.
Who the fuck am I kidding, no I'm not. Furries are thirsty as fuck.
>>345189841
>while him and hbomb were collecting big 10k+ checks
i definitely would not hire someone based off of patreon income, no matter what the amount im pocketing.
>>345186290
Remove chroma squad from the list because it was shit
>>345189947
>Come on, man. You'd do the same thing.
No, I wouldn't, because like the other anon said, I was raised properly. I have a spine. I'd finish the damn job.
How does the (ridiculous)
>shwig wouldn't let him do it
argument hold any weight, when he was apparently able to buy a piano? With that money he could have hired a competent programmer for a few months.
>>345189737
Nope, both Subtank and Vanilly were apparently aware of it. Only Fleet was out of the loop.
>>345189772
Surprise, the game is shit. But the core game mechanic is the breeding and mixing traits, which was all done. You don't "need" more than that. VN shit with the townsfolk would have been appreciated, but that's not necessary, nor is it "coding" work so much as writer work - which is also lacking. Compare that to the animations: A male breeder can only fugg a cat, holst, or female elf. Not any of their variations (the main appeal of the game), and not the other anything else.
There are literally only ten animated scenes that aren't cat or female breeder. Out of all the hundreds of possible combinations, a male PC can only see 20 animations total, an even half of which are a cat with something.
>>345184331
It's the furries who need a lesson on it, it's autists, funding autists with no management skills or track record and expecting them to make something.
>>345190205
Why not? Hire somebody freelance, if the donations dry up you just send them away.
Is there a torrent for the art assets yet?
>>345190164
>I still don't understand why so many people were giving them so much money after all this time.
That's the real mystery. It's hard to believe people can be so naive.
>>345189947
>He tried to hire a project manager and Shwig didn't let him.
He claims it. But if it's so, where's his proof? Surely he can post skype logs as well.
>>345190323
Somebody posted the game yesterday (which had the art in folders, I think) but it hasn't come up in this thread yet. I regret not downloading it.
Why would I support it? There was nothing about it that distinguished itself as a good H game
>>345190243
agreed.
And keep in mind, if this was EARLY ON? He could have kicked Shwig, and recovered the assets, the contract lets EITHER of them pull out at any time and take their assets with them.
Given that Shwig specifically mentioned the animation skeletons, I assume that means the animators had more sane work for hire contracts.
>>345184331
>idiots claim it's going to take years to make a flash game with shitty art
>continue to fund them even though it shows almost no progress
everyone involved here got what they deserved
>>345190276
>writer work - which is also lacking
also HBomb's duty.
>>345190305
if you hire someone and then later let them go, most likely they will not come back when you can rehire them because they've found another job. and then you're stuck with assets or coding or management paradigms that may or may not be usable by the person. whenever you want to bring someone into a small (relatively speaking_ project like this being funded in this manner, it needs to be someone who will stick around till the end. when you have an actual studio then maybe some positions can become employee-interchangeable.
>>345190381https://mega.nz/#!xRBijaBB!dfi2O4gR6bSLRGwwA5HUel6T0YFKHFNdXa1Kq_Y25uc
>>345188075
Ok so I have never really looked into the development of this team.
Is it correct that Shwig was streaming him working on art for hours at a time? If, as stated, he was indeed working on the game 40 hours per week and streamed it to show proof, he actually worked hard. If the art/animation was behind schedule, it either means the schedule was poorly set up or that Shwig is just incompetent and slow. You can hardly blame someone for being incompetent or a slow worker. It's the project's lead's job to oversee this, find faulty workers and fix their shit by firing them or telling them to work harder or whatever.
You can't suddenly expect him to work 80 hours a week to catch up if he works slowly.
>>345184331
It's more concerning people wanted this to be an actual game and not just lewd animations. Speaking of which, has anyone compiled all the animations into a single file yet without all the farming bullshit?
>>345190504
He was actually looking to hire people to write for him ala Fenoxo.
WASN'T THIS GAME MAKING FIVE-GODDAMN-FIGURES EVERY MONTH?
No fucking way they could get away with cancelling this now, right?
>>345190276
You don't need more but if you're cashing thousands for it you're expected to at least do something
>>345190550
Why the fuck is this 2 gigs?
>>345190581
Shwig, Fleet, and Vanilly streamed pretty often when I was keeping tabs on their streams. H-Bomb appeared once in a blue moon, but any stream I caught of his was the equivalent of being afk.
>>345190581
Shwig actually drew that much and he draws very quickly. People in this thread can attest to watching his art streams.
>>345190672
It's all the assets and some programs as well.
>>345190103
Oh, they both won. They outed each other. H-Bomb is a dumbass nutcase and Schwig is a greedy scumbag.
>>345186797
>Hyper Light Drifter
Failed to deliver almost all of the content promised and released a much different kind of game than what was originally advertised
It has okay gameplay and great everything else, but no, it's still a failure in several senses.
>>345190705
>>345190581
Then where is his work?
Where the heck does all those hours went?
40 fucking hours a week and can expect tons of shit to be done, but he ain't got nothing much to show off.
>>345190629
They can and they will. Patreon is a tip jar, they weren't obligated to complete anything.
>>345190803
>where is his work
See: >>345190550
Also, see the tons of shit on his tumblr as well.
>>345190710
But how? What they released before cancelling is less than 30.
>>345190729
How so? I just saw the KS and then played the game when it came out, and it felt quite like what you'd expect.
>>345190362
There's no proof, but Shwig hasn't provided any testimony to the contrary even when he had the chance. You could even easily take that whole "yeah I made a few mistakes" thing as a concession.
As of this point, there is literally no reason to believe that Shwig did not stop H-Bomb from hiring a manager.
>>345190504
I don't disagree with that. My post is a direct critisism for someone "clapping" to the fact that an artist, who has almost nothing to show after 3 years of work, praised his own productivity against the programmer, who had actually finished the shit that mattered. Pot, kettle, and black.
>>345190669
I agree wholeheartedly. I just think it's downright silly anyone can praise the artist in this situation. The only person worthy of praise on that team, that I can tell, was Vanilly.
>>345190527
That's only a problem if you have to let them go, which means that the donation money dwindled and therefore the project is probably losing traction (which never happened in spite of them making basically no progress btw). If that happened it would be justifiable at least, they could say that they don't make progress because they don't make enough money.
At any rate, if we're talking about the programming side of things I don't get why a single person with basic programing skills couldn't make do. I've played the game like a year ago for a few hours, it's not exactly dwarf fortress as far as the game engine is concerned. It's basically a visual novel with a breeding minigame which doesn't look that complex to model.
>>345190803
You realize that he had to chop everything up and then edit shit so it would look nice moving? That probably has a lot of fuckery involved where he has to touch up, give it to Vanilly to rig and animate, during which time he works on OTHER shit, then he has to get that back, when she tells him the way he chopped it up doesn't work with the skeleton, fix this this and this, and then repeat that umpteen times until the animation looks decent.
>>345190847
I've looked in the folder and it is exactly why I asked such question.
The amount of shit in that folder does not reflect the amount of hours people claim he spend working on this game.
>>345190865
Maybe download the file and get a clue about what game development is like.
And this is for a game with no sound, in most games sound takes a ridiculous amount of space.
>>345190865
It just works I guess.
>>345190847
Yeah, tons of shit that isn't the CORE MONSTER X MONSTER ANIMATIONS ON WHICH THE PREMISE OF THE GAME IS BUILT ON.
>>345190818
Imagine all those angry furries. Big western H-games are fucked forever
>>345190927
>I don't get why a single person with basic programing skills couldn't make do
wonder what hbomb was doing for 2 years
>>345190945
>go through two major artstyle changes
>basically all of the UI
>initial cutscene
>base images for animations
>creating sprites for the monsters in general
>all of the background art
That shit takes a long fucking time, especially for what was a one-artist team for a few years.
>>345191023
well for one of those years he was getting cucked and learning piano while wearing a fedora.
>>345190913
>I agree wholeheartedly. I just think it's downright silly anyone can praise the artist in this situation. The only person worthy of praise on that team, that I can tell, was Vanilly.
None of them deserve any sort of praise they've been working on this for at least 2 years now and weren't expecting to finish for at least another year and all they had was a skeleton of a game to show for it
>>345190942
>You realize that he had to chop everything up and then edit shit so it would look nice moving?
Yes, that is a shit ton of a work. It's a good thing Schwig never actually did any of it. Vanilly did. Any instead of sending clean sheets, he left that to Vanilly to clean up and fix herself - which wasn't supposed to be her duty.
You are right on the work, and wrong on who actually did it.
>>345184331
They're both sacks of shit from the sound of things. Neither of what they're saying really aligns with the result. Shwig tried to sound like he had no authority over the project and didn't act on it until he decided to kill it, but his contract was insanely lenient and gave him a ton of control and in that same post he admitted to cancelling contracts in order to save money (42k a month for nearly 3 years, what the fuck were they doing with it besides giving themselves massive cuts?), even so far as to say he acted hysterical over it, on top of having control over the art and worldbuilding. Not to mention the amount of useless shit he drew in the game files. He never mentioned tricking sub into working on his game either, instead using everyone's desire to leave as an excuse to get away with remaining silent for a month about his new clone project.
The only account of what happened that anyone should take stock in would be sub, fleet or vanilly. Anyone who takes these two chucklefucks at their word is an idiot.
>>345191001
Nah, Schwig will be getting $10k in a couple of months. I wish I was joking.
https://www.patreon.com/CloudMeadow
>>345185964
Children starve. Every day.
If I'm going to burn money on garbage, I'd rather burn it on garbage that isn't giving some faggot 32k a month to make a porno game.
Fuckin hell, fag! I mean, was slave trainer a kickstarter project?
You lose. Supporting porn on patreon is indefensible.
>>345191086
>did her job
>ending up having to do other people's jobs, like cleaning schwigg's art for animation, before she could do her job
>also forced into PR work, which wasn't her job
>was often left with nothing to do, because the rest of the team was shitting around
A shit project does not mean everyone involved is shit.
>>345191059
im a bit on shwig's side now that his response is out (and i'll probably flop back if hbomb does a counter-rebuttal that isnt totally full of holes) but he really didnt need to do the artstyle change unless he felt that overall he could do better or make it more streamlined, neither of which seemed true.
>>345185964
If you're incompetent enough with your money that you decided that it was wise to fund a shitty h-game which didn't make any progress in years I doubt you're very rich.
>>345190953
Unnecessary files. Exactly what I expected.
>>345191001
>Imagine all those angry furries. Big western H-games are fucked forever
No they're not furries are used to shit failing and drama it's what they thrive on, there's still fenoxo and a couple of other western h-games making 4-5 digits a month, and with this falling through the furries will just move on to whatever else looks promising and fund it until it falls through as well.
>>345191193
>Supporting porn on patreon is indefensible
what if you like the artist
>>345191193
It's about trust and convincing. This case was clearly a failure, but some other project might not be.
>>345191276
I'm pretty sure if you donate through paypal the artist will get more money.
>>345191113
That was at around 200 yesterday when I saw that on /aco/ so he's already up 1200$ in a day
>>345191276
then privately commission works.
They made a living doing that before, they'll make a living doing it again.
Put your money to better use.
>>345187320
Yep. There were several Mega dumps made once the project's Dropbox was "hacked" by some enterprising anons. There's nothing terribly new in the latest build, but the art assets were made public because HBomb made Schwig out to be a gigantic cunt. Which Schwig is. Both of them are at fault, but Schwig started fobbing off his work onto Vanilly over time, while building assets for his secret side project, until he jumped ship entirely and took the rights to the art with him so he could repurpose some of it. H-bomb was an idiot and incompetent, but Schwig was a total fucking jew.
See image.
>>345191193
That would be a solid line of argument if food insecurity was anything but a logistical problem.
I personally don't support any patreon porn, but I understand why people do this - they want novel things to fap to and are ready to put money on the table to make that happen. That's as respectable a decision as any other.
That is, of course, unless you mean to argue that we should immediately halt all entertainment spending forever because >m-muh starving chilluns
>Fuck me harder in the ass senpai
>>345191276
Commission and support them directly.
>>345185584
Hbomb the cuck
Shwig the cucker
>>345188268
I like how despite knowing how to draw, nigga still can't come up with one- ONE original design. What a waste of a skill in a man with not one sense of originality.
>>345191375
he spent ONE MONTH building assets, and he did so during the month AFTER Vanilly quit.
>>345191367
>>345191371
I think Patreon's more of a tool for getting at those supporters who aren't willing to drop loads of money on a full-fledged commission but still want something more in return than what an unconditional Paypal donation would get them. In that sense, there's really nothing wrong with it.
>>345191456
Then I don't get HD versions of their work :^)
>>345184331
Can you fuck the cowtits lady in the pink apron on the cover? She's literally the only one I find attractive.
>>345191429
We probably should do that actually. I'm sure gonna miss my strangely specific fetish porn though.
>>345191538
You can't fuck any of them.
Enjoy :^)
>>345184962
>people STILL place their trust and money into kikestarter
This was patreon. Which is even more retarded.
What? Were they going to just shut it down when they finished? Big surprise they didn't after years of running in circles: Its a monthly payment system with no repercussions.
>>345189573
>b-b-but his reputation is ruined
retards on /v/ actually thought this would hurt him
The correct response for this whole affair is to just fucking laugh at the idiots who donated to these people.
We see it time and time again; when porn artists are given patreon money every month with no obligations they slow down and produce at best bread crumbs for the fans so they look like they are making progress.
We were laughing about this shit never finishing for the longest time and this whole drama just proved us all right. Donating to these people is a chump's game.
>>345191538
no and the second artstyle change made her look worse
>>345191530
Why not. Also
>getting a personal piece from an artist you can guarantee you will get
>not better than getting something coming off a conveyor belt.
>>345191193
>Children starve. Every day.
Then stop buying video games, get rid of your tv, cable, internet etc. and start donating that money to charities, if that's want to use that as you're excuse for why people shouldn't support porn creators. Porn is a form of entertainment there's absolutely nothing wrong with people supporting those that make it if it's something they enjoy.
>>345191429
I don't have any problem with people giving money to porn artists. What I don't understand is people giving money to a project that's obviously dead in the water and has been that way for like two years.
>>345186685
That is not an excuse to not work on the game.
>I WILL SAVE THIS PROJECT TRUST ME
>SO HERE'S RPG SHIT ON TOP OF THE UNFINISHED GAME
also hbomb is actually pretty fucking stupid if that contract was legit
>>345189912
he literally has that email adress laying around in his blog
Kickstater, I can understand the concept and get how it can help.
But Patreon?
Why the fuck should I pay someone for existing?
And without anything in return?
>>345191429
I think we can live without 32k a month going towards the development of a fucking flash game, yeah.
Porn existed before patreon and will exist long after someone really screws the pooch and gets patreon taken down.
Also, I don't think you can write off your patreon expenses as charitable donations on your taxes like you can with legitimate donations.
>>345186685
Don't talk to me or my roommate's ex-wife ever again.
>>345191773
Patreon is a glorified tipjar but people still believe that it's a fundraising site, hell this thread already has asshats spouting kikestarter for some reason
>>3451917843/7
>>345191659
Well, my original post was just about crowdfunding in general, but in this case it's probably just the same sort of out-of-control hype that any sort of upcoming thing gets, to the point where people get so invested in their vision of what they think the final product will look like that they ignore the reality in front of them. I think another factor is the people who were long-time big-time contributors didn't want to face the fact that they may have misspent a lot of money, so they vainly cling to the hope that it might still be good rather than face the anguish of failure.
>>345190876
Like I said, the game didn't deliver on almost any of their stretch goals, despite far exceeding them pledge-wise, with the developers seemingly having no intention of going back to add them following the success of the game. Check the Kickstarter and initial trailers; almost all of their content doesn't exist in the full game. The game also changed to have no RPG mechanics, even though those were a pretty big focus early on.
I'd be pissed if I backed it.
>>345191582
>>345191604
>hey dudes lets draw really sexual main characters for this cover of our sex game to draw people in
>lol who said you can fuck them xdd
>that would be smart haha xdddd
>X D
>DXFUCKINGD
>>345191784
You're saying we as if we have anything to do with it. This isn't a societal issue, or even a group-level issue. It is entirely between the person in question and the tip jar in question. Like I said previously, I haven't supported anything, but if a man wants to drop money on furry porn and the furry porn will have it, there is nothing on this earth that can stop that man from putting his hard-earned autism money towards lovingly rendered pictures of horse anuses. And that's a fact.
>>345191193
>Muh starving children
If I could pay for African kids to die instead of live their life of misery and shit that inconveniences everyone, I would.
>>345192002
Well, to be fair, you can't fuck anything in this game, because it's an unfinished buggy piece of shit.
>>345191526
>what he SAYS must always be TRUE
>>345192103
Doesn't mean that you can't say it's retarded though. I can't stop anybody from buying lottery tickets either, doesn't mean those people aren't dumb.
>>345191526
>>he spent ONE MONTH building assets, and he did so during the month AFTER Vanilly quit.
That's why there's what looks like only a month's worth of work in his new game, right?
It also still doesn't detract from the fact that Vanilly was pulling extra duty to make up for shit Schwig wasn't doing, or was doing poorly, and SHE left the project after realizing her efforts were barely moving it forward and that she'd have to continue doing more work than necessary.
I don't give a shit about who's ultimately in the right, anyway. I'm just here for the hilarious drama. Hoping yesterday's leak of the project files leads to something bigger.
>>345191059
>go through two major artstyle changes
Both of which were completely unnecessary and in some cases making characters look even worse. Redoing all the art doesn't just put a massive amount of work on your own shoulders, but everyone else's as well, yet he claims he didn't use his authority until he decided to walk away from the project.
>>345191982
I have no clue what the stretch goals were, and didn't notice any RPG mechanics, always seemed like a "hack & slash with an interesting setting" to me.
>>345192178
Buying lottery tickets might be comparable if the people doing the buying weren't actually expecting to win and just felt like giving the state a little tip so they can keep on doing the great job that they're doing.
>>345192158
Didn't help that instead getting around making animations or even placeholders for fucking things they just made more concepts of things to fuck, increasing their workload by an huge margin
https://www.patreon.com/CloudMeadow
378 patrons are funding $1,490 for not-breeding season by trustworthy shwig
>>345190893
The person making the claim has to prove that shit you fuck.
>>345192317
But that's my point, people who give to patreon *are* expecting to get something out of it. They shouldn't, but they are. Like people giving to kickstarter fully expect to receive their reward.
>>345192364
Who the hell are these people donating?
>>345192186
Sucks to be Vanilly, literally wasted 6 months of her life on this instead of developing her artist portfolio. She was so happy and pure too.
>>345191709
>>also hbomb is actually pretty fucking stupid if that contract was legit
Project can't exists in its current form without Schwig's art. Schwig and Hbomb agreed that Schwig would retain rights to his art, with Hbomb assuming Schwig wouldn't do what he did with Broquest. With the way things are going, it must be legitimate. Both of them fucked over the project in their own ways during its development, but Schwig definitely had more of an impact.
>>345191251
Dude wasn't talking about this game in particular, just donations in general.
>>345192432
People that doesn't know BS
>>345192364
>tfw no skills to tap into the free money that is furfags
>>345192223
>Shwig put most load of work on his underling
>Vanilly had enough of his shit and send a withdrawal notice to Shwig and Shwig only
>Shwig know that this project is doomed, know that the team is quitting
>Stay silent about it and instead of trying to fix it he went working on a fallout project of his own
He also said that the all the decision were made without HBomb presence and that it was a 'team' decision.
I've worked under a lead artist before and I know he is full of shit.
Nobody on the grunt side of the work would suggest or agree on the decision to redo the whole shit
again and again.
