Is Uchikoshi aware people fucking hated the ending?
>muh moral choices
What the fuck is so moral about deciding to throw a dice or have a monty hall problem shoved to you?
So glad I pirated this shit it had like 3 puzzles and the rest was a bad anime episode.
M I N D H A C K
not to mention that most of the choices just had a bad ending and "the right choice", like the shoot sigma choice where if he's saved you all get shanked anyways
>>345097389
The only moral decision was literally the revolver decision.
I was expecting more shit like that and instead got disappointment that the decision was wasted on that 9 minute trailer
It wasn't that bad. Fucking babies that can't understand simple complex motives.
>>345097389
But if diana is the mom, then why phi is flat?
>>345098003
Go away, Q
>>345098003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfOsjVT8mlU
>>345098125aliens
I already thought that Sigma was surprisingly dumb for a guy who was getting a PHD
In ZTD he is supposedly a 67 year old genius in various areas and somehow he is even denser and dumber than before
>>345098309
>and somehow he is even denser and dumber than before
Can you give us a example of when he was dumb and dense?
>>345097389
I think he's living in his own world.
>>345098309
I had beef with that as well, dude talks about termite analogies and developed AI
>>345098352
one example being when he just chooses a random fucking point on the transporter timeline because he doesn't understand the machine (after solving that room) while Carlos is able to use it effectively with himself and Akane/Junpei almost instantly
>>345097803
>Kill one of the other teams
>Kill BOTH the other teams with acid showers
>Mexican standoff
There were some moral choices here and there.
>>345098416
Damn it Uchi, when do we get a Q/A?
What does this game ruin about the rest of the series' lore? I've only played this and VLR
>>345098541
I don't think you understand. The theme of ZTD is to encourage the players to think for themselves about "What is right?" This is very deep.
>>345098623
It ruins nothing.
inb4: WHERE`S KYLE?
>>345098736
That's why I ask, but I'm not sure how exactly this game stops Kyle from existing
>>345098736o hi
Welcome to ZTD, where the timelines are made up and the choices don't matter
>>345098819
Have you played VLR's hidden epilogue?
>>345098819
It stops him from existing through the patented technique of almost entirely ignoring him.
>>345098623
>>345098819
It essentially character assassinated Sigma, Akane, and Junpei.
It completely fucked on the presences of Aoi, Light, and Kyle (while Aoi and Light didn't necessarily have to make a comeback, it was said that they would). Kyle should have been an integral part of the story and was instead completely ignored.
It completely rewrote who the fuck Brother was and what his motivations were, just hamfisting them in instead of doing anything meaningful with them.
The whole deal in VLR was weaker espers fed into others, but then you get to the end of ZTD and it's suddenly "Hey let's all shift together and take the consciousnesses of these two regular people with us because we can suddenly do that due to C O M P L E X R E S O N A N C E"
Alien technology out of nowhere.
>>345098623
-aliens
-phis eyebrows
-kyle never shows up
-? is never explained
-Junpei was inside of the mars test site not watching it
-sigma never made the 'skeleton' for luna just what she looked like
-the mission alice and clover were on never got explained
-Junpei is a shifter in ZTD when thats not how his powers were explained in 999
-Akane doesnt act as smart as she should be
this is off the top of my head, pretty sure there was more
>>345098476
>one example being when he just chooses a random fucking point on the transporter timeline because he doesn't understand the machine
They explained it, it's alien technology. He can't read alien so he pressed random shit. He even says it when Diana asked him (during the time they get stuck inside the bunker for like 8 months)
> while Carlos is able to use it effectively with himself and Akane/Junpei almost instantly
Probably blind luck, doubt he can read alien as well.
>>345099153
How did sigma know how to send the twins back past 2009?
>>345099078
Phi has red hair
In the future everyone has roboy skeletons, sigma made the skin
Can someone fucking explain me why there was bloos in the lockers in the medical room
>>345099208
Becauseplot holes.
>>345099208
I don't think he meant to send them that far back. He can't read alien after all so he just tried anything.
>>345099208
He had 10 months to learn ayylium. Maybe after giving Diana the Siggy he finally started to act like the genius he's supposed to be.
>>345099243
I just ment that the changed her eyebrows from the generic black ones from VLR
If she had ginger eyebrows in VLR I wouldnt have brought it up
>have childhood friend you just happen to hang out with
>lose all contact with her for 9 years
>be a grown man in college
>get kidnapped and meet that friend again for 9 hours during a death game
>find out said friend planned the entire game after she'd fled the scene
>I MUST FIND HER AND MARRY HER!
>>345099374
>>I don't think he meant to send them that far back.
>there is a timeline where Sigma sent his twins back to when the aliens still had the transporter
Best dad.
>>345099409
Hadn't thought of that, good point!
>>345099437
Phi's hair color was most likely also dyed in VLR, including her eyebrows.It's not like there's any way to disprove this theory now that we know she does dye her hair color.
>>345099521
Akane is cute as fuck, I don't blame him.
>>345099606
Okay but how?
Her hair could remain the same color, that's fine. For eyebrows, not only is it incredibly hard to dye them safely, but when would she get a chance? In the 4 months (when she should have fucking killed herself) before being frozen and halting Radical-6? Just after being woken up? Akane did it for fun?
>>345099551
>>>I don't think he meant to send them that far back.
>>there is a timeline where Sigma sent his twins back to when the aliens still had the transporter
>Best dad.
To be fair... they were desperate as fuck. No more food, no water. He just wanted to give them a fair chance to live a life outside that shelter.
And fuck Akane for leaving them in there to starve and die...
>>345099153
>>345099208
>>345099265
>>345099374
>>345099409
Because its a timeline you silly mother fuckers. You can see the fucking screen with your eyeballs.
Sigma merely clicked one of the other adjacent lines, because he only wanted to try and find a timeline where they were still in the game but phi was alive.
Sigma knew where to send the twins because he just rolled back the machine really really far back on the timelines. He even says this to diana "to before this ever happened" We at LEAST understand the numbers so it'd be easy to figure out when the last time we know for sure someone who is not delta had the machine.
Carlos works on the same theory, obviously carlos just rolled back the machine a bit and hoped for the best. If carlos knew how the machine worked clearly he could have easily just selected "1 minute before the game starts" but he ends up selecting 3 months ago and having to wait because LITERALLY he just rolled back on the VISIBLE FUCKING TIMELINE.
Are you guys actually retarded?
>>345099718
They were in the old world joining the program that led to ZTD and taking part in it for months. What the fuck are you talking about? of course she had time to do whatever the fuck she wanted.
>>345099735
No, just having fun with stupid ideas. That's what Uchikoshi wanted us to do.
>>345097565
This. 999 was the only good one.
>>345099831
But she had Radical-6 because she was patient zero, and there was no way for her to do anything aside from kill herself.
She should have done that in the interim anyway.
>>345099718
>Okay but how?
>Her hair could remain the same color, that's fine. For eyebrows, not only is it incredibly hard to dye them safely
Use a highlighter. Shit's not hard at all to change eyebrow colors.
>but when would she get a chance?
She was probably frozen with the highlighter on her eyebrows or she dyed it before getting frozen.
> In the 4 months (when she should have fucking killed herself) before being frozen and halting Radical-6?
Why not?
> Just after being woken up? Akane did it for fun?
You're thinking too much into it and making such a big mountain out of a fucking anthill. It's not a big deal.
>>345099437
The new artist also made a point for her hair to be "pink tones, not pure white" in ZTD when her original design's hair was clearly vividly pure white.
>>345098416
>>345098656
Isn't that the same baloney Kojima pulled with MGSV?
>the twist absolutely sucked
>"that's the point guys"
>>345100003She was one of the 25% that survived
Your entire retard problem up in flames.
>>345099902
TO SET A CORRECT FRAME OF MIND.
>>345098309
it was never said he was getting his phd, he was just a college student.
>>345100087But anon the 75% claim isn't real because VLR outright states that everyone who gets Radical-6 is filled with the urge to commit suicide, something that can't get retconned because it makes zero sense if you DO retcon it that a suicide virus would only make you suicide 75% of the time
>>345100142
But he outright said it himself
>>345099831
But right after the mars mission is when she got frozen and thats when she had ginger eyebrows, she was infected with radical-6 too so I dont think shed worry too much about her eyebrows at the time
Someone called Sigma nothing but a sperm donor, and I realized they're exactly right. Sucks because I know he's a lot of people's favorite protag, if not their favorite character, period.
Did they never see or talk aboutQ because he was mindhacking them? Or they came to accept the fact that a blind/deaf man in a wheelchair had no bearing on the game, despite always hanging around?
>>345100065
I love high-waisted shorts, but giving her a top with the exact same color made her torso look all rubbery and way too long.
>>345100290
the second one, which is especially silly on sigma/phi/akane's part because he fits the only two known characteristics of brother
>>345100065
can you post all of the designs for the characters
>>345100369
Phi and Sigma have the same colour palette but swapped between pants/top.
>>345100290
They mention him several times, and sean, eric, and mira all make multiple considerations for him in the different timelines.
It's the reason eric is so OBVIOUSLY distrustful of sean, because hes just there with them and every player BUT sean is on the list of players.
It's obvious from the very first Q-team session available (The votes) Where Eric says hes just going to have to force Q to vote the way he wants, and then completely leaves sean alone and doesn't grab him and theres no struggle. They are also the only team not to blame sean for what happens during the vote or argue about the results. This is the first MAJOR MAJOR clue. Its entirely consistent.
>>345100142
Replay VLR
>>345100003
>>345100180
Sigma knew what Radical-6 did, and she was in a hospital. She was probably prevented from killing herself.
>>345100631
Uchi pls go
>>345100586
They're in the pre-order booklet.
http://mega.co.nz/#!FJg1EBYI!dvlA4guPBLPhzPkHbZn5uwKoQn6ICwVmgiuC0l8yh04
btw... was the artist for VLR some hentai artist? I recall the artbook for VLR had Phi nude somewhere.
>>345100921
But then how did she volunteer at the Crash Keys base?
>>345101315
AXELAVIR
X
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>>345101509but it didn't exist yet
>>345101558Sigma created it
>>345101627but even if he had, which is never said, it would be decades past 2029
>>345101673
But his consciousness was the one from "decades past 2029", so it would be possible for him to know the axelavir formula.
>>345101627
>>345101905Didn't they create Axelavir from the antibodies of immune people? So it's not something Sigma can make on the fly.
>>345101307
The artist for 999 and VLR was a long-time industry professional, Kinu Nishimura. She did a bunch of designs and artwork for things like Street Fighter back in the day.
Drawing characters in the nude isn't inherently perverted. It's a big anatomy exercise for serious artists.
999
>Sending information through time and space through esper and receiver in the familiar environment with same mass and matter, pretty logical i assume and brilliant at the same time
VLR
>Jump your concious from another timeline ie SHIFT (more like fuck this timeline im going to get to good ending)
ZTD
>FREE THE SOULS PRINCIPLES means more than 1 person can have the share the same information like your mind is connected with each other.
and... everyone can do SHIFT plus one guy literally can do magic MINDHACK
Junpei supposedly shoulda been a receiver not a SHIFTER too, ZTD pretty much fucked up the ZE lore
>>345097565
This.
>ze will neva solvu zis dodekuheduron!
>hahaha ze monti hallu puroburem!
>MINDHACCU
Don't talk about quantum physics for 2 games and then throw this elementary shit at me.
>>345099921
I felt this way until I realized what was going on in VLR, but I'm not entirely sure that wasn't the time investment talking. 999 was fantastic.
>>345102380
Culdcept.
>>345099641
I don't blame him. I blame Uchi for his shit writing.
>>345102454
the best review ever
>>345102454
>Akane is getting the Clover treatment now
I hate this
>>345102516
She did the designs for Culdcept Revolt, too, yeah. And Code of Princess. She's big enough that her name's highlighted as a selling point.
>>345103827
is that on pc? damn it reall looks stiff as fuck on 60fps, glad ire played it on vita, didnt notice that terrible animation too much, thanks vita frameratedrop!
>>345099153
>>345099735
...were you guys paying attention?
Sigma was just sort of blind guessing, sure..
But Carlos asks Sigma and Diana to show him how to use the machine before he uses it. That's how his fireman ass knows how to use it.
>>345104139
>Carlos uses the machine perfectly
>10 months Sigma sends his kids back to 1900s
what
>>345100369
Those are the shorts. They are high wasted. She is fashionable as fuck in this game. So is Akane.
>>345098541
It's only been two weeks.
>>345097780
> D-Team gets nuked by Akane making the antidote pointless
> No result where both Junpei and Carlos got Ally
Nobody even got a chance to leave the X-door
>>345098416
...Is there anything in particular that we can/should be theorizing about - something with an answer that isn't easily reachable and is objective (rather than a subjective "philosophical" explanation) - like Uchi suggested? It feels like the game itself left nothing for us to work off of and the ending itself is shallow as fuck...
I like to think there's something, but there's nothing. ;_;
>>345105743
There's nothing.
>>345104790
Jesus, it already feels like it's been out for at least a month.
>>345098416
>I need more time to make shit up
Fuck off, Uchi.
>>345105743
I wish Delta was meant to be a stand in for the player, since he forces them to make choices they normally wouldn't because he thinks it's "fascinating". But that idea falls apart in about two seconds because everything else in the game contradicts it.
So no, I've got nothing either.
>there are people who don't realise that 'mind hacking' is just the player's ability to influence characters' decisions
Why Zero Escape isn't popular in Japan like Danganronpa?
Danganronpa sucks.
>>345106487
Yeah I really like how I decided to, as Zero, blow up the entire fucking place for no reason other than BUTTON
>>345106489
What was Danganronpa rated?
Usually, their equivalent of our E rating has a higher chance of sales.
>>345099153
>He can't read alien so he pressed random shit.
He also mentioned that he was rushing the machine because he thought they were running out of time and would be injected with the memory loss drug making them completely forget about the machine. Basically it was either use the machine with some random timeline selected or maybe not get a chance to use the machine at all.
>>345106747
D (17+). That's a higher rating than 999 and VLR, which were both C (15+). Danganronpa was being pushed as a bigger title from the start, though.
>>345106126
Huh, I think I recognize you as one of the original Carlosposters by that filename. I could be imagining things, though.
>>345106303
Thanks for trying to find something. I personally wish there was more evidence on the fanatic. It's one thing to pull it out of nowhere, it's another to leave it hanging when he theoretically is a worse threat than Radical-6 ever was. His abilities, why he's able to elude Delta, who he is...there's nothing. It's like Uchi didn't think about the subject whatsoever and this stuff is entirely irrelevant.
where can i find more kinu nishimura art?
>>345106489
Because DR is wacky, zany high school adventures with some grimdark and crazy anime artstyle
ZE is just a bunch of boring characters playing SAW
>>345106489
If someone had MIND HACK/COMPLEX MOTIVES (DESPAIR) in Danganronpa, I'd be fine with it, because Danganronpa established early on that it's over the top with fucking ridiculous characters. Not all that serious.
But Zero Escape takes itself very seriously for the most part. As soon as Delta became a thing and he started talking with the group, it just became a joke to me though. I can't take that shit seriously. Can't do anything but laugh.
So I'm just gonna pretend Zero Escape ended with 999, or at best VLR. The open ending in 999 is fine desu. I prefer it over this at least.
>>345107121
That's me! Glad to see you're still around
I'm still finishing Virtue's Last Reward so hoping not to stay in this thread enough to get spoiled, but I wanted to ask: does anyone own the watch from VLR? I've been thinking of trying to purchase one and was wondering if it was actually sturdy and wouldn't break down after some use. I'd have to drop $100 or more for it and so I'd want to wear it daily but I worry about it being cheaply made. Anyone who owns the watch give me some info?
I woulda ordered the special edition of zero time dilemma watch but I hate the square design.
Happy puzzling!
>>345107815
Wow, it really is you! Guess we're both sticking to this boat until it sinks.
Here's an updated version of that pic for you...unless you like sketchiness, or something.
>>345107957
Never had the opportunity to own either, but I remember hearing that the 999 and VLR watches were both pretty shoddy and fell apart easily
>>345107957
I have the VLR one boxed up somewhere. I remember how disappointed I was when it literally arrived with a big scratch across the face of it. It's still pretty neat, though.
>>345109064
The VLR one sturdier than the 999 one.
>>345109336
I believe there's a protective sticker in front of it. I don't want to try to peel it off because I'm paranoid like that.
>>345109686
I'd have to double-check, but I'm pretty sure it was under the sticker. To be honest, I don't really remember, but I'd like to think I wasn't that stupid not to notice.
>>345108457
Niiiice, I didn't know it had been finished, thanks. I can't quit these threads either, even though we've pretty much talked over everything there is to discuss, like you said. They've just been a regular part of my day for so long now
I guess the power of MIND HACK wasn't enough to keep threads alive.
>>345111742
Game's so bad there's nothing to discuss.
Sometimes, I think this game isn't even real.
I hope they will give us C O M P L E X motives.
>>345112005
I'm waiting for the true end DLC. It's done like that to avoid spoilers.
>>345111742
Shame. I only just finished the game, so I guess I missed the boat.
I still think it was worth the purchase, but like a lot of people seem to be saying, the big satisfaction just wasn't there at the end, or at least not as much as the other games.Maybe the fans' expectations of a satisfying ending was Uchi's plan from the beginning, and this entire meme-ridden post-experience is all part of a bigger ruse.
>>345112005
Uchi's motives are complex. The entire game was intentionally botched to lead to a plethora of memes.
Does anybody have a screen cap of when Delta's shadow is in a shot, but he's gone in the next?
Is Eric the biggest cuckold in Zero Escape?
>>345114123
That's Junpei
>>345110082
Well, if we hear something more from Uchi or about the new port of 999, then things will pick up for a while.
I'm looking forward to the temporary chaos that'll ensue on /v/ once the Q & A is released...even if it'll only be 99% rage. There is no way Uchi will be able to answer everything.
>>345113601
>Delta can't move between shots
He is blind, not paraplegic.
>>345114493
why the fuck would someone pretending to be blind and deaf move around without bumping into things anon
>>345114631
>2028
>quantum computers and advanced ais are a thing
And automated wheelchairs is where you draw the line?
why did delta blow up everything?
they didnt -need- to jump like they did at the very end to come to the realization that they can stop the terrorist did they?
also why did delta gab? why did he kill himself? that whole timeline is confusing...
>>345106303
>since he forces them to make choices they normally wouldn't because he thinks it's "fascinating".
Holy shit, that would actually be perfect. And a much better moral dilemma than the "fucking over your other selves" shit.
I think I've liked a lot of the plot twists people have thrown out in here better than the ones in the actual game. If Zero had actually been the quantum computer evoking one of the Laws of Robotics to save humanity I might have actually shit a brick.
>>345107121
The fanatic gives me the impression that the game was super crunched for time/budget desu
Like there's all this buildup with the Apocalypse scene and the SHIFTing and then Zero is speaking directly to them and you think there's going to be some giant revelation or something and then he just brings up the terrorist for the first time and suddenly that's the big point of the game. Like they were working towarda some kind of climax and realized "shit this really needs to end faster".
Did anyone else think the Force Quit box was disappointing? It was there the whole game and it was such a mystery I expected it to do something insane but no just Diana getting another fucking killstreak
>>345115143
He killed Gab becauseC O M P L E X M O T I V E S
As to why he killed himselfCOMPLEX
MOTIVES
Someone with photoshop skills and/or more motivation than me should take D.Va and put Diana's head on her and give her mech a Radical-6/biohazard symbol and a giant WARNING DO NOT PRESS button
>>345115143
>why did delta blow up everything?
>they didnt -need- to jump like they did at the very end to come to the realization that they can stop the terrorist did they?
A near death situation that would give the SHIFTers a powerup and would allow non SHIFTers like Mira, Eric and possibly Delta himself the ability to shift.
>also why did delta gab? why did he kill himself? that whole timeline is confusing...
Killed Gab because he knew the SHIFTers would have second thought if they have to abandon Gab, remember how they came up with that "IF WE SHIFT WE KILL OUR OTHER SELVES!!" bullshit that is never mentioned again before the explosion? Imagine if they also had to consider Gab, the fact that everyone is a dog lover in this game wouldn't help.
>>345115572
are you trying to meme on me?
>>345115143
He needed them to shift to a timeline where they were all safe, but also to one where there was nothing criminal with which to convict him.
He killed Gab either because he's also a shifter, or he didn't want them to jump before they activated the force quit box, because they didn't know when Gab died.
He killed himself so they wouldn't spend the last minutes trying to get him to stop the bomb, forcing them to shift.
>>345112930
But he didn't even know what a meme was. This paradox is complex.
>>345114398
I'm almost excited to hear what he pulls out of his ass to explain Kyle
My money's on
>He swapped bodies with a security guard at Dcom to let Sigma, Phi and Akane in so technically he was there and he was essential to their plan
>>345115724
but why did they need to shift? what was wrong with that timeline?
Delta is a good guy, he makes little kids' dreams come true.
>>345115724
>blows reactor without giving sigma and co the opportunity to shift
>b-but the dog
Take your theory somewhere else, hippie.
>>345115883
See >>345115804
>He needed them to shift to a timeline where they were all safe, but also to one where there was nothing criminal with which to convict him.
He also wanted them to completely grasp how SHIFTing worked so they could make a super team to track the so-often-mentioned "fanatic".
>>345116023
I'm taking you forgot to upload an image of Akana, right? Good point.
I have beef with two endings I still haven't seen anyone discuss.
1) D-team end where Mira murdere everyone. As Sigma starts hallucinating Luna he says "My SHIFTing connection has been cut, I'm dying for real bla bla bla". What is that about? How? Why? It was never expanded upon.
2) D-team ending where they all leave through the X-door and at the last moment Diana, apparently being mindhacked, ditches them and goes back inside to Zero applauding her for being a cunning manipulator and making up "false personalities" so she could get pitied by D-team or some shit. What the fuck? Also something not expanded upon.
The more I think about this game the more respect I lose for Uchi.
>>345115143
If he would not have killed himself, he would have gotten the same SHIFT powers as Mira and Eric due to the resonance. He didn't want to shift.
>>345097780
DAMN
This game would be better if Clover was in it.
>>345115804
i considered that he wanted to go to a timeline in which there was no convicting criminal evidence but why did he not hide everything is THAT timeline? he should have known what was happening as soon as no one died from the vote through mindhack.
>>345116142
i suppose it could be considered their final test but didnt the force quit box already do that?
>>345116721
It wouldn't be worse that's for sure.
>>345116721
This is factually correct.
>>345116845
>but why did he not hide everything is THAT timeline?
Zero time, I suppose. Alternatively, because he needed all of them to converge to a single point, so they would all have the proper memories, before they shifted to the end. He didn't want anyone jumping on their own to the happy end.
Diana is CUTE!
>>345117737
Shame she's a whore.
>>345117737
>that art quality
Why boot kinu nishimura for an inferior artist and spend all their money on A-list seiyuus literally no one in the west gives two fucks about? I swear it's like the ZTD team is legally retarded at this point.
>>345118020
That's literally just quick sketches, also I saved that as a .jpg.
>>345118020
>no one in the west gives two fucks about
Lmao. Weebs eat that shit up like there is no tomorrow.
>>345116157
Mira and Eric were only able to SHIFT because they were exposed to the resonance of a large group of people who could SHIFT. No where does it state that they gained the ability to SHIFT after exposure.
>>345118281
That fucking resonance argument is like when you would play tag with an entitled little spoiled brat shithead who would keep making up rules on the spot to ensure that he always won.
>Uchikoshi
>>345118020
i love kinu nishimura but i'm p. sure no one in the west cares about her either
>>345117737
Cute! CUTE!
>>345118281
I think anon meant that he didn't want to shift in general. Possibly so he could retain the excuse of "I didn't even know I did all that murder stuff, I had to mind hack y'all to find out"
>>345118281
>Diana leans to shift
>Junpei learns to shift
but not Eric and Mira, no sir. that would be silly.
>>345118219
The coloring is good but those fucking eyebrows kill it for me desu
>>345118219
Is the artbook PC-version only or something? Is it online anywhere?
Luna >>>> Diana
>>345118650
I just used the Capture tool on this.
>>345101223
>>345105743
...I just looked up the snail on the wiki and found something interesting--that the infamous snail is suggested to have been controlled by a parasite. This story and the "butterfly effect" theme put forth by it is a huge deal in ZTD and for it to actually have been the work of some sort of parasite is fishy. Why is it even important to note something like that? Moreover...
>Zero calls Carlos the snail (does he do this to anyone else?)
>To describe actions/decisions that seem to be against someone's character, a human-controlling parasite much like the leucochloridium is brought up
>Incidentally, this metaphor is used to describe Carlos who is also the only person whose background isn't relevant to the plot (snail, VLR, 999)
I'm not going to suggest that the parasite in the snail was the work of some insidious force or that Carlos really was involved in the backstory all along. However, the parallels are there and it makes me wonder if Carlos was actually being controlled. Not by a parasite, but perhaps by another consciousness.
Can someone repost all the clues that Delta exist before
>>345118219
>She cares for Sigma and Phi, and thinks of them as her brother and sister
Good job fucking your brother and birthing your sister.
>>345118529
Junpei is plausible, since he could already access the morphogenetic field. Maybe Diana got it because she spent the most time around the (assumedly) strongest shifters there?
>>345118020
I love Nishimura and consider her one of my favorite artists but ZE never used her very well (always making her do hideous flat colors when her painterly ones look so much better) plus her costumes were a little too goofy for ZE. The new artist is still good and a better fit for the series' tone, they just had shit luck and got associated with crappy budget models and some sloppy writing.
>>345117681
i suppose ill go with this. narrowing it down to one "good" timeline would make it easier for everyone to converge on.
>>345118912
Gotcha, I think not all of them are right and it's missing a few though.
>>345119118
Why is Sigma so BIG?
>>345116143
Thinking about Diana and the 'multiple personality's' bit it reminds me there was also a bit where Diana says 'It makes the dream better' like she thinks none of this is even happening, what is going on in her head.
Is Blick here?There's still a stream today, right?
How would you save the lore of the series?
- They said ZTD is non-canon like everyone is started to assume Another Time is non-canon.
- A very good explanation in-game universe
(Q&A and DLC)
- Everything was Sigma's Dream before December 31st takes place.
- Very good explanation about budget/time/Uchikoshi didn't write the whole thing.
- Answer every question in Q&A with things like: The reason is complex.
"Where is Kyle?
It's complex.
Alien technology?
It's complex
Where is Clover and Light?
This will be revealed in the 3rd game. I hope you guys look for... w-wait. It's complex."
>>345118964
Maybe Eric's dad was an esper. And Mira got it because she spent some time trying to touch Eric's heart.
Maybe.
>>345119118
>tfw will never be a qt girl and wear qt clothes like Akane and phi
>>345119451
Blick is dead. Uchi killed him.
>>345097389
What are people even talking about? The ending was good, better then the mess that VLR was
>>345118881
>Carlos is the fanatic
>>345119821
>ending
>good
Uchi get the fuck out of here
>>345115724
>>345115804
>>345116142
I thought the bomb was going to be like the bit at the end of VLR when Akane stabs sigma and he jumps back in time but it turns out she didnt really stab him at all, so then the group who won the coin toss would switch with the group that lost and things could get explained to them or something
Why didn't sigma and Diana just stop wearing clothes in stranded end? Keeping that one pair clean for 10 months had to be annoying.
>>345119118
>plus her costumes were a little too goofy for ZE. The new artist is still good and a better fit for the series' tone
100% agreement. They all look so nicely plain compared to the rest of the series.
>>345119450
That's during the twins end, right? I think that's her starting to go off the deep end.
Can we all agree that the taxi that killed the surgeon was probably the accident Snake lost his arm and eyes?.
Shit, I bet its somehow related to Carlos house getting fire.
>>345119118
This art is so gorgeous besides Diana's down syndrome eyes
Is Sigma meant to be Japanese?
>>345120470
Can't we all agree that doesn't change a damn thing like most twists in ZTD?
>>345120642
The game is really really shitty, I never said otherwise
The most disappointing was no final puzzle room, 999 had sudoku, VLR had Minesweeper, I was expecting 5 line in ZTD
>>345120184
>see Sigma's 18 inches
>irresistible urge to fuck
They needed to wear clothes to preserve their energy and food supply.
>>345119118
>>345119398
Sigma looks pretty much the same size as everyone in that picture.
But his ingame model is atleast 2x the size of Phi, he's a giant.
>>345119118
Sorry but those designs are fucking boring. Washed out colors, simplistic color-block pieces. The cinematic style just made them even more boring to stare at. Look at that palette, it's literally the color of stale puke.
>>345119983
>Carlos is the fanatic
I'll be honest and say that I always enjoyed that idea - we actually do have an unaccounted for 2nd Carlos post true-end on top of it - but it only works as a fun idea. As a theory it's whack.
>If Zero all along knew that Carlos would be the fanatic, what the fuck was all that shit about stopping him?
An elaborate lie?
>Carlos has something approaching a god complex in regards to his SHIFTing powers and he seems to have an almost unhinged obsession with saving people, but he's too much of a good person to ever become evil
>Something needs to catalyze his emergence as the fanatic. If his sister is cured after the Decision Game and doesn't die, then what else is there?
>>345119118
>junpei around the same height as Carlos
HA
>>345121298
>goes home only to find Carlos 1 banging Maria
I'd go insane too.
>>345120481
I think they were going for a Leiji Matsumoto girl droopy eyes look, but it works better if it's more stylized.
Was anybody else paying a ton of extra attention to the blood splatters in the game? When Carlos was spewing blood in the ending where it's him vs. Akane, it made me think back to that bit with Q Team in the Bio Lab where they find out about the disease that makes you spurt out blood. I thought for sure it'd be revealed at some point that Carlos had that disease and him escaping would cause some other problem, but nothing ever came of it.
>oh shit sudoku being solved through spacetime
>oh shit Sigma is actually an old guy and him knowing it would fuck everything
>oh shit there was a guy in a wheelchair all along acknowledged by everyone besides the player
Kind of underwhelming.
Is there a name for the theory they were talking about where our real brains are somewhere else and they're just sending signals to our brain and how to operate out bodies?
>>345098416
Figured this would happen. All the faggots who thought the game was satisfying and conclusive who throw a shitfit when someone has a legitimate complaint about the game would feed him this "pat-yourself-on-the-back" bullshit so he thinks it was a great game.
Guess we're the ones who got sodomized in all timelines.
>>345121754
Quantum Mind or something
>>345121031
The designs being boring is good because they look like actual fucking people. Every single character in VLR has an ungodly shit design. I mean, fuck, Quark's helmet? Are you shitting me? Alice's stupid boob ring? Everything about Clover? The only good looking characters in VLR are Phi, Tenmyouji and K, who only gets a pass because he's wearing a big fucking robot suit and not just "these are my everyday clothes, please ignore that they are fucking retarded."
>>345120608
No? I guess we can't say it with absolute certainty but it seems like a leap in logic given that his name is western, he was attending college in the US, is fucking huge, and has nothing connecting him to Japan.
>>345121821
So where's the proof that ZTD is the third game in the Zero Escape series and not just a companion to VLR?
I just finished the game. So one of the major reasons that Delta created the game was so he and Phi could exist, even though they already exist. What the fuck does that even mean?
>>345122289
did you even play 999?
>>345122361
Yes. The Akane made the game to save herself who died in the past didn't make much sense to me either. I'm legitimately retarded. Explain please.
>>345119118
Junpei and Carlos are so hot in the official art, I'm so mad the models were trash. How could they seriously not have had the time to give Junpei his jacket?
>>345122289
The loop must be completed. He knows he was born via the decision game happening, so he has to make sure to make the decision game in order to get born.
>>345122617
Same with Akane. She knows that she only survived because Junpei communicated with her from the Nonary game, so she had to make the Nonary game so Junpei could communicate with her.
>>345119118
"Okay Eric, just stand there for the picture, okay?"
"Uh, yeah, you got it. Normal human standing. Like this, right?"
>Sigma supposedly didn't eat much during the pregnancy
>At the end he still has a buffed up frame and the only difference you can see is shadows around his eyes
Not very convincing
>>345121031
Adjust your eyes, those designs are just colorful enough for the tone especially considering they were going for a darker, more realistic look, there are many subtle pink, purple, and blue hues throughout and saturation in just the right places, the only one that looks like washed-out puke is Eric and it still suits his character. Of course I like Nishimura's super colorful street fighter art but that doesn't suit the series at all plus her palette never translated that well in-game.
I can't decide whether or not I like the team setup that was in this game. The group dynamics were alright, but I would've liked to at least see Sigma and Junpei interact a little, since they've both got such a complicated history with Akane.
>>345122796
He's only comfortable in front of a camera when in costume.
>>345119451
>stream
Sorry, been real busy as of late, dunno if I'm able to stream at all this weekend.
>>345123873
ah, no worries m8.
Kek just got to the wheelchair twist.
This shit is retarded.
>>345124013
You've reached the best part of the game and the glorious climax of the series.
>>345124013
There's a decent bit of foreshadowing to it, but since it's such a dumb and pointless twist that only shocks the player and not the characters it's got no weight or punch at all.
>>345122927
I get it that the colors are supposed to fit the dark theme but the outfits are bland, even for everyday wear. No one has an individual style despite maybe Phi and Mira, who's supposed to look like the token ZE slut. I really enjoyed the 999 fashion even though it was more colorful, you could feel character's individual personalities that weren't edgy cuck junpei or titty monster mira. I mean, Akane is dressed like a 40 year old MILF, how is that in character with her dumb ZTD Clover-esque self?
>tfw even Sharin no Kuni handled the secret character that players don't know about twist far better than ZE did
Well, that's the last time I get excited for anything.
>>345122927
ZTD doesn't look particularly dark, realistic, subtle, or tone-setting.
I'm glad I never thought Zero Escape had good writing to begin with so this wasn't that devastating for me. Sucks to be you guys.From my standpoint 999 is actually the weakest because while it has the least flaws it is also the least entertaining.
stopped playing at dude lmao alien technology
also it's boring as fuck
>>345124975
He was talking about the art and design for the characters, not the budget modeling/animation.
Also good job posting a picture when they're outside and not in the grim death game.
>>345125102
...So, any particular reason why you want to start up a conversation here, then?
>>345125418
>that jaw and neck
Is Mira transsexual?
>>345097780
Shit, I completely forgot about that. Who killed them in that ending anyway?
>>345125418
They used "her palette never translated that well in-game" as a point against Nishimura. Is it not fair to bring up how Tomono's art translates in-game? And that was the first picture that showed the whole cast in-game that I could find.
>>345125734
Mira did. Delta mentioned that she killed them one time.
>>345125102
Alien tech wasn't even that bad.
>>345098416
The foreshadowing doesnt count when there are clear contradictions to all those foreshadowing.
Even if we pretend it made sense, it still doesnt answer where is Kyle (?), why did they retcon Left, the retarded snail plot, Sigma acting like a fucking retard instead of abusing shifting mechanics like Carlos did, the complex motives of Q, and the rest of the retconning (is it even a retcon when you just plain ignore and dont even mention all of those dropped plots?)
>>345126264
>why did they retcon Left
What if the original Sean was actually just a time transported version of the original Left and that's why Delta cared about him so much? Is there any reason that couldn't be a thing?
>VLR
Old Jumpei complains about being locked into the bad ending future even if they go back and change the timeline because they lack the shifting abilities, since he is a receiver.
>ZTM
Oh well, time to shift again since I only need to be near a single shifter to develop the ability for myself!
>>345126535
Yes, because its in your head instead of being in the game.
>>345124613
Where the hell do you live where Akane's outfit is something a MILF would wear? The bow belt + cream sweater dress + tights + side-ponytail are chic as fuck, I see the look her and Phi sport all the time by college girls metropolitan areas. Diana's look is modest and cute, Eric clearly hates picking clothes, Carlos is casual and invokes that all-american boy look, I really don't see the issues you're talking about.
>>345124975
We are talking about the artist/designer, the original post this stems from explicitly said the art got fucked over by the budget. Not to mention that's an outdoor shot.
>>345126624
They seemed to completely ignore the sender/receiver thing in ZTD. I don't remember that even being the explanation for Junpei's shifting, IIRC he just started doing it like he always could.
>>345125828
>Is it not fair to bring up how Tomono's art translates in-game?
Perhaps it would be fair if ZTD didn't have the budget of an afternoon picnic, in addition to going for a cinematic style instead of a VN one. I mean, stuff like Junpei's jacket not appearing clearly points to a lack of execution in-game, rather than being a poor design from the start.
The REAL question is, how well did it sell?
>>345126978
I hope badly.
>>345127151
Honestly, I just want Uchikoshi to wipe his hands of ZE and move on to something new.
>>345126978
I hope it sold great!Probably mediocre.
>>345126935
The budget excuse wouldn't be an issue if the VA cast didn't cost a million dollars.
>>345125828
Because Nishimura actually had art in-game. I won't count the shitty VLR models against her designs but these illustrations are her and they aren't great.
>>345127323
Seriously.
>mfw Wakamoto is the first name to pop up in the credits
But you know, in Japan that's enough to sell copies, just having famous seiyuu.
>>345127254
I don't.
He will just complain about muh budget and muh director all over again.
>>345127452
Funny considering Japan doesn't give a fuck about ZE.
>>345127430
Nishimura didn't do the in-game artwork. That was by Chunsoft's visual team. Nishimura did the concepts and official illustrations.
>>345127430
That doesn't even remotely look like Nishimura's style.
>>345119118
Is Eric an autist?
>>345127452
I don't think Wakamoto was ever in Zero Escape.
>>345127887
Whoops, misremembered. It was Sugita, not Wakamoto.
>>345127869
You probably are for having to ask that question.
>>345127430
That's not Nishimura you dolt
>>345097803
How the fuck was the revolver decision a moral one? Sigma was entirely right about it. The only thing the decision was really about was being willing to take responsibility for an outcome.
>>345100081
The difference here is that Uchi will eventually make a Q&A, but he wants some fan discussion and post-game theories to crop up before doing so. Kind of a shifty move but hey
>>345128060
Does that makes Eric an autist?
>>345127654
Is there a source for that? Because it would be a load off my mind, I was always so baffled as to how her art looked so shit in ZE games when the concepts seemed like her usual greatness. But I stand by the other artist being a better fit. 999 and VLR characters looked like they stepped out of a costume party and it's jarring, like I should be playing a DR game instead, and there's no point using her as a designer if they won't even retain her charm in the art, her designs don't translate well at all into other styles.
Did they get the memory loss drug after losing the coin flip?
>>345128318
Alien race is the terrorist
Discuss
>>345110082
Wow those screenshots are bad. And that resolution aspect... I'm pretty sure that's the 3ds version.... enlarged a bit...
>>345128618
No, that's the Vita version. The 3DS version looks completely different.
>>345128243
>was really about was being willing to take responsibility for an outcome
Isn't that exactly what the question of morality is? Am I going to let this person certainly die because I don't have the guts to potentially kill someone else myself?
