17 years later, this game still has the best aesthetics and atmosphere out of all fantasy games. There were a lot of effort went into developing this and it shows. Why can't modern developers continue its legacy, /v/?
You were probably just 10 when you played it.
Be objective.
>>345095760
I still enjoy it now. Game has immense depth in its gameplay and the fantasy aesthetics are still unmatched by any other game.
Because money should be going to voice actors and marketing for current audiences, not artstyle and gameplay you nerd neckbeard white cishitlord.
>"HD" re-release
>>345095760
It does look very nice, though (+it also has excellent sounds, music and flavour text)
>>345095542
I agree with the overworld, but in-battle it looks legitimately bad. That awful 90s early CGI pre-rendered into choppy battle sprites just doesn't look appealing.
It's a shame it's unbalanced without mods.
Fuck the '''fans''' who made the devs throw together Conflux in the last minute instead of Forge.
But that's not Final Fantasy VII
I liked 4 even more than 3 in the terms of:
- music
- heroes becoming literal one-man genocide unit stacks (Grandmaster Melee)
- map aesthetics
2 TBS games with nearly the best qualities in the series, and what do we get? A disbanded dev.
I never liked HOMM, and I dont get why people love it so much
>>345096081
I think they made the right decision, Forge probably will make that expansion crash and burn due to fan backslash. Also, the art style, town and units conflict too much with the rest of the game (All 7 tiers are humanoids without mount or any special feature? WTF?)
But, I agree Conflux is pretty disappointing.
>>345096218
FFVII graphic is outdated af as of now, bro. That's why Square is remaking it.
>>345096327
It's even sadder when the sole reason for the founder of New World Computing to sell the studio to 3DO was so that he can have the funding to make Heroes of Might and Magic Online. What did he get? a disbanded dev and a 2 canceled game (that and Heroes V)
>>345096426
Different taste
>>345096543
>he thinks graphics can become outdated
Fucking pleb
>>345096739
If it's 3d, then it can be.
>>345096739
graphics can definitely become outdated in games that seek adopt photorealism
>>345096543
>Forge probably will make that expansion crash and burn due to fan backslash
>fan
People who don't understand M&M lore is a secondary at best. Hint: It was always space opera.
I was a kid when I played it and whilst I thought it was great, it's been handily outdone.
Not even that good a game by today's standards.
>>345097013
>Not even that good a game by today's standards.
And those standards are?
Dude, none TBS games have ever touched the quality of this game.
>Terrible late 90s 3D renders redrawn over by Chinese interns
>better than these god tier hand-crafted sprites
OP exposes shit taste, more at eleven
>>345095542
I prefer Heroes II artstyle and Heroes IV music, but Heroes III is the best in all other regards.
>>345095760
I played it for the first time last summer and it is a special game. The art, music etc. So it isn't just nostalgia goggles.
>>345097013
There's a number of games I like better (like Dominions 4) but in terms of actual quality rather than the style of the game, I don't understand who in their right mind would argue HoMM3 wasn't great.
>>345097326
>If this game was released today, it can still be regarded as a pixel art gem.
>>345097804
Considering today's "pixel art" efforts by indies (aka excuse for not having to try), yeah sure. H2 looks absolutely gorgeous.
I started playing a shit ton of HoMM3 campaigns the past few weeks, I'm working on Armageddons Blade right now, Dragon Slayer was the most difficult yet.
>>345098374
I probably have played it for a thousand hours or more at this point and never finished a campaign, scenarios are more fun
>>345095760
It is literally timeless.
>>345098585
same desu
>>345098374
I finished like half of the campaign in the original 3, all campaigns in 4 and I can safely say that 4 has the better story. 3's story was good, but it's too dry. The characters don't seem to have much personality. They are just there to paint a bigger picture.
>>345095542
question : who will win on a XL map? the necromancer of spooky skeltals or the balanced magic academy doublegrowth firecocks of conflux?
It looks like soulless cheap garbage compared to HoMM2
>>345099426
conflux
speed > skeletons
I like traditional 2d art with sprites and pixels, but Homm2 looks like ass to me, everything is so busy looking and hard to distinguish.
>>345099426
Without that bullshit Power Lich item: Conflux
With that bullshit Power Lich item, Necro can even 1v7 if he knows what he is doing.
>>345099432
Unpopular opinion is cool: the post
How do I get through the early game fast?
>>345099627
>opinion
It's a fact. It's like claiming some young art school kid making modern art doodles is as good as Rembrandt and then backing up the retarded shit you spew by MUH OPINIONS MUH SUBJECTIVITY
HoMM3 looks terrible, cheap and rushed compared to the previous game, especially when it comes to animations and units, deal with it. Just because it's babby's first TBS game, doesn't mean it's the best.
>>345099963
hello please explain which animations and units look terrible and cheap
To this day Homm3's ost is one of my favorite.
The battle themes still hold up.
>>345099738
Prioritize army over economy.
Depends on the town you choose, rush the upgrade of the most efficient tier unit and use it to clean map.
Have 1 main hero and 4-5 subheroes for supply chain to your capitol.
Rush logistic whenever your heroes can learn it.
Did I miss anything?
>>345099738
Buy heroes and collect free resources.
Try to make a rush towards tier 6 unit buildings.
Don't bother upgrading existing units until later.
By week 2 you can have two weeks worth of tier 6 units that can help you clear stuff.
>>345095542
>+3 Movement
>big pack of troops
>Day 1 Week 1 Month 1
Anon you shitter you cheat for this game?! Seriously? While building an army and collecting ressources is the most fun ever?
>>345100418
Maybe its a scenario that starts you out with all of that shit
>>345100418
Bro, I downloaded that image on the web. Too lazy to boot up VirtualBox for Windows. Switching to Lubuntu was the biggest mistake I made this month.
>>345100532
Naw, it's One for All. You are not supposed to start with those unit.
>>345100418
>all map revealed
I think it's just some random promotional screenshot.
>>345100214
>>345100409
what about fighting shooting stacks?
is there any fancy way to kill them without losing creatures?
Rate the towns based on personal preference.
Necro>Dungeon>Rampart>Conflux>Fortress>Inferno>Castle>Tower>Stronghold
>>345100703
Rushing high-tier units for starters since they can take a lot of punishment without dying and their HP is replenished after battle. For example, depending on if you happen to get the T2 dwelling at the start, Fortress can recruit wyverns day 1 and they don't really care if they get shot by master gremlins a couple of times.
>>345100703
Having 1 stacks that can move to the middle of the field and hopefully draw fire. If not, then next turn they can be used to stand near the stacks to block them and waste their turns.
Haste helps.
>>345100703
>>345100893
https://www.youtube.com/user/maretti0/videos
Check some of the videos from this channel, seeing the early game strategies and tactics in practise probably is a lot more useful than a quickly written post.
>>345100703
Early game? Some heroes have resurrection. Use that
Or you can minimize damage by splitting your weakest unit stack into multiple 1 stacks. You can bait AI into hitting those and lose their turn.
>>345100797
For me, it's
Necro > Tower > Fortress > Castle > Rampart > Conflux > Inferno > Stronghold
Mostly because Stronghold looks ugly af both the town and units.
>>345100797
Favorite towns to play: Tower, Necro, Castle
Okay towns to play: Rampart, Dungeon, Stronghold
Boring as shit: Inferno, Conflux, Fortress
>>345099426
double firecocks all the way.what does it mean?
>>345095542
>Topic praising Heroes 3 visuals
>Posts cheap HD remake screenshot
How can you fuck up this badly
>>345100532
>>345100623
>>345100632
STOP DEFENDING THAT NOOB
>>345095542
I hate the HoMM franchise because I always feel like a glorified mook gathering resources for a kingdom. How do I get taste?
>>345100703
You can also watch some decent people play random maps/scenarios. Helps a lot getting the general strategy down. Executing it yourself is another thing entirely though.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm-6vLDITlBzrazXSiKzOXg
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgT_HmP4nlz5wECKOkIlj9Q
>>345095542
Starting up the main menu alone with that spinett playing in the background you instantly have this magical fantasy atmosphere going.
It's just the perfect combination of the right music and sounds with the right artstyle.
>>345100797
necro>castle>tower>fortress>ramparts>stronghold>Conflux>Inferno
>>345095542
Age of wonders shadow magic is better objectively
>>345101167
Pheonix always has 2 base growth
Can go to 3-4 if you build other supporting buildings.
It's probably the fastest growing lv7 unit in the game.
>>345101063
>Inferno boring
Fight me.
>>345101063
I find Castle boring as shit.
You can't get more generic if you tried.
>>345101397
They have objectively some of the worst units: Imps, Gogs, Horned Demons, and Pit Lords.
Their T7 is supposed to be the counterpart to Angels, but they get shit on by them easily.
Their only redeemable units are Cerebri and Efreeti.
>>345095760
I started playing it 1 year ago, so no, its not nostalgia faggot
>>345101554
They are shit, I agree, but they're not boring. I find their style and theme one of the best and, as you said, playing with Efreeti is super fun.
>>345101502
Yep, the whole town reeks of mediocre, but damn can those archangels kick ass. Also them abs...
>>345101554
And Efreeti drops like flies. The whole town feels weak desu.
>>345101712
Can you believe Archangels used to be cheaper and stronger before they were rebalanced in the first expansion? And they're still by far one of the best T7 units.
>>345100797
Fortress>Dungeon>Tower>Necro>Stronghold>Inferno>Conflux>Castle>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Forge>>>>>>>>>>>>Cove
>>345102076
Oh and Rampart somewhere between Tower and Inferno
I unironically like early 3D.
>>345102005
The good always win, bro. I think we can all agree that, if someone can look that righteously good, he deserves to be a bit OP too.
>>345102076
Cove is an OP town. What are you talking about?
Which were more horrifying, Heroes II Genies or Heroes IV Genies?
>>345102360
Maybe that's why he rated it so lowly, the question is about personal preference after all. Their Cannon alone is broken as shit.
>>345102432
Heroes 2 Wraiths
Heroes 3 and 4 Necropolis, but especially 4
>>345102557
Heroes 2 had Wraiths?
>>345102642
He's talking about Ghosts, most likely. Those fuckers are definitely the most OP creatures ever conceived in a HOMM game.
>>345102432
heroes 3 genies made my dick hard, too bad the """upgrade""" made them men
>>345102757
I tried this mod called WoG a couple of years ago and it had the Ghosts from HoMM 2 in them, how the fuck were those things considered balanced back then?
>>345102642
>>345102757
Wraight/Ghost, same shit, It's been a while since I played.
Anyway they were ultra OP in H2.
>>345102432
scary in term of ability? Because they look normal to me.
>>345102532
My issue with the Cove is that it's uninspired garbage. Tried it for one map and never gone back. Everything looks and feels boring.
>>345102786
>Not having a hardon for Naga Queen
Pleb taste
>>345102757
Oh, right. The peasant devourers.I frankly forgot they existed.
>>345102901
J-Just look at this.
>>345102890
They weren't and they were only given to you in special scenarios in the base game. In the HoMM 2 expansion, Necromancers could produce Ghosts weekly. Guess what happened to balance then.
>>345102901
>>345103007
not in to monstergirls desu
>>345103007
I honestly like Rakshasas more in that role.
Post your favorite creature design!
>>345095542
>Why can't modern developers continue its legacy, /v/?
because muh 3D graphics! this game looks better than modern installments.
>>345095542
MM6 is better
>>345104386
Megaman 6 wasn't even that good.
>>345095542
>aesthetics and atmosphere out of all fantasy games
No.
HoMM4 had better atmosphere because of the amazing OST and very well written campaigns.
HoMM5 was arguably at least just as good as 3, but many consider it to be better than 3 in every way.
King's Bounty has way better aesthetics, especially Dark Side.
HoMM3 is very good, but highly overrated.
>>345104557
He said M&M, not HoMM
>>345104750
>especially Dark Side.
stopped reading there. I fucking preorder that shit after bring high off Armored Princess. I have never been so disappointed. Such a shameless cash grab.
>tfw forge town never ever
>>345105129
Maybe you will be less upset when you see this image.
>>345095542
thanks for reminding me I need to play more HoAE
>>345105452
I'm glad they at least brought back the dragon golems, albeit in a more steampunk way.
That naga tank is badass though. Shame it was scrapped.
Anyone here not wanting to play WoG because of how bad the new creatures look?
>>345105452
>juggernauts
Wasn't that shit in IV eventually?
>>345105938
>>345105970
No, the mod can be downloaded here: http://heroes3wog.net/classic-forge-town-vcmi/
with VCMI ofc
>>345103994
Fucking loved all the new dragons Armageddon's Blade added
But then again I love all the dragons in H3
>>345106171
It's actually functional? Neat.
Do any of them have cool abilities?
>>345106360
Not sure. I just found out about it right now.
>>345106238
That campaign where you have to work your way through all of the new dragons from Crystal, Rust, Faerie and finally Azure was a bitch to play through.
>>345106684
Faerie Dragons are cute. CUTE!
>>345106896
>This
>Cute
>>345107017
It's one of the best dragon designs ever. That thing looks batshit insane.
>>345107017
Probably the cutest mass murderer I've ever seen. Fighting these things is a huge pain in the ass, but when they're on your side they're pretty awesome.
>>345107196
Until they chain lightning your own units.
>>345107357
>The faerie dragons ready Frost Ring/Chain Lightning
>>345107017
There is a cutscene with this thing, but I cannot find it on Youtube. Anyone knows?
>>345095542
What map was that called? I remember playing it as a kid.
>>345107825
I think that's One for All
>>345104750
>HoMM4 had better atmosphere because of the amazing OST and very well written campaigns.
More than half of H4 music was halfassedly slapped together from a licensed sample track library. And "well written", well yeah, well written novels, that are completely unmarried from the gameplay and take multiple screens. I'm sorry, but walls of prose, no matter how good, do not make for a well-written GAME.
Reminder that Heroes VI was_ok_
>>345108717
Main SP campaign was definitely a good TBS adventure. It falls apart in PVP completely though. But having a good SP is better than Heroes VII that has literally nothing good about it.
>>345103994
Crystal dragons were the coolest shit ever. I loved how you entered that giant crystal in Might and Magic VIII and fought a shit ton of these things.
>>345109390
Agreed, VI with all its flaws had at least something going for it with the campaign
VII is just a bad version of III/V gameplay
Who Cove here?
>>345112331
are those 96 black pirate Trumps?
>>345112331
>>345112331
Cove is nice but the unit selection and artwork is atrocious.
>>345112859
So what's nice about it?
>>345095542
>game requires micromanaging skills
I always play with one hero and get raped because this game hates me.
>>345112957
You must have panic attacks playing RTS games.
>>345112957
same family
>>345095542
I like HoMM2 more desu, it was the first HoMM I played
>>345112957
What difficulty do you play? Pretty sure you have to actively try to lose playing on pawn
>>345112954
Music, abilities, town screen, heroes
reminder that everyone should install the Horn of The Abyss expansion
if you're a noob at this game then watch this guy play and learn
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheKnownWorld
you can invite him to play with you because he always stream at the weekend
>>345112912
Cove's shooters and the Snake are OP as fuck
What about Royal Bounty HD?
http://store.steampowered.com/app/337210/
>>345112957
Play on smaller maps and you can get away with just 1 hero
>>345114831
>>345095542
Disciples 2 was best
King's Bounty got it right for the 3D.
>>345095760
>le rose-tinted goggles :^)
kys yourself
They came from the depths of the void. An ancient enemy of an ancient people. No one knows why they hate us so, or why they have made war upon us. Some say the struggle of evil is the mandate of heaven. Though their origins and purpose are shrouded in mystery, their plan is simple. They travel, they land, and then they conquer. Now, they are here on our world. To do to us what they have done to so many others. And they will do it. Unless someone stops them.
>>345116473
King's Bounty is a completely different game. One-map realtime/TBS adventure with questing. There's a reason original KB is a prototype for HoMM rather than the staple, it's Heroes without economy or logistics. So basically casual bait. Plus, only two games were really good, everything after Armored Princess was hot garbage.
>>345117179
>for the 3D
I was just talking about the visual.
I wouldn't call King's Bounty causal bait though.
>>345117290
It looks okay. I like H6 more.
Should I start off with campaigns or regular games?
>>345119427
campaign
>>345095897
How is something so subjective unmatched?
>>345095542
First game is better visually, I mean just look at that screenshot, it's cluttered as fuck. You can't even tell what's background and what's a useful item on that map.
>>345120056
You can if you've actually played it.
>>345120056
What's wrong? Need the game to highlight it for you and make a prompt pop up?
How do you cancel a campaign move order in HoMM3?
>>345121105
i remember there's a redo move button in the HD mod and HOTA
>>345117179
>>345117290
unit abilities, control and spells are great. If they took all the shit they made over the years and designed a few factions based on those and put them in HOMM it would be 10 times better than the HOMMs they shit out now
