Why do people think the level design in this game is so good?I'm not saying it isn't either
>>345084489
because it is.
>>345084489
Complexity while balancing asset variety and memorability. You're never lost, and never railroaded. And never dropped in an open world with some ctrl+c ctrl+v shit either.
Now while it may not be the pinnacle, it's pretty damn fucking good.
>>345084489
Why does /v/ suck this games dick so much? I mean it's good but it's not THAT good.
It does a good job of consistently making the worlds feel realistic while at the same time looping back into itself so that you have shortcuts to ease progression
>>345084489
>DUDE SHORTCUTS LMAO
It's a meme game
>>345084949
>die during Shadow of Yharnam
>have to do a 5 minute run through the entire woods again
Fuck that shit famalam
>>345084627
bait
>>345084729
because it's the only half decent ps4 exclusive.
>>345085109
that's dark souls baby! get gud scrub!
>>345085124
>bait
Nice argument anon. You showed him.
>>345085208
There's always been shortcuts in Souls though
>>345084729
its literally the best game of this gen.
>>345085109
There's a shortcut though.
>>345085109
>5 minutes
No way, that shit takes like a minute at most if you know what you're doing
>>345085109
It's not that much of a walk after the double elevator ride, i think there's another shortcut in between there too.
>>345084489
>>345084502
It's shit like in all From games. There is literally nothing (nothing) special about it. There isn't even a trace of vertical movement or depth. You just walk down a corridor and go from mob to mob.
>b-but sometimes there is a shortcut
Yeah, like in every other fucking game that exists, even those shitty new Tomb Raider games.
"Souls is good" is the most disgusting and mot obnoxious meme there is currently and it probably won't go away.
>>345084489
Because the game is really damn good. Too bad the only real reason /v/ shit on it is because it's a ps4 exclusive
>>345085378
>>345085379
>>345085434
I know, I was just saying how it would be without shortcuts.
>>345084729
Because it's exclusive and Sony dronies are pathetic.
>>345085343
It's not even top 5 of its year, you fucking retard. Witcher 3 was a much better experience and Monster Hunter 4U has much, much, much better gameplay.
>>345085531
>>345085531
Nice meme
>>345084489
Yarnahm was good.
The archive/tower in the DLC was probably the best , alot of it because of other things as well. For one thing they had every enemy and NPC reference the ultimate boss of the level, so when you finally get to her you feel like it has alot of meaning. Even the living failures had alot of meaning because the enemies of the level were prototype versions of them.
The traps also added to the atmosphere and made you fear every corner.
>>345085636
>Witcher 3
>bland open world shit with dogshit combat
>fucking handheld shit game
LOL
>>345085590
Oops, my bad.
Cainhurst has a good one too, even if the boss walk has mandatory fall damage even with a shortcut
>>345084489
It's not really. It doesn't have anywhere near the interconnections of Dark Souls. In fact one of their attempts to link the world is so poor you climb a giant ladder to get back to Yharnam. Let's not even touch the Lecture Building or general enemy placement the game has.
Here's a game with good level design
>>345085636
>Monster Hunter 4U has much, much, much better gameplay.
AHAHAHAHAHHA
Oh God some days on this board I really get a kick out of the weebs
>>345085238
>asset variety and memorability
I'm not interesting in posting a long argument to clear baits.
>>345085694
>>345085950
He's saying it's better than Bloodborne. You guys need reading comprehension.
>>345085880
That "giant ladder" was the healing church's back door to byrgenworth, as the main way was blocked by a password that they did not know.
You can tell this because the area around the ladder has naked church giants and is covered in poison which would ward off the villagers and grant the church passage due to their outfits having an inherently high resistance to poison.
>>345086138
but he is wrong mate.
>>345086004
>asset variety and memorability
What about it? You've got Yharnam, the forbidden forest, cainhurst, Hemwick, the nightmare frontier, the lecture building and byrgenwerth, all of which have very different aesthetics and feels to them.
Former casualfags, how long did it take for you to git gud at Bloodborne?
If only this wasn't a PS4 exclusive because it's literally a goddamn masterpiece on par with other loved classics.
Yet /v/ can't see it through all the memes.
>>345084729
Best action rpg since dark souls
>>345086208
Not so long. Having played souls games before let's your first try most bosses.
>>345085124
>bait
Fuck you too.
>>345086208
I've been playing ever since release of DeS, and I first try most bosses. I always played aggressively, so no shields didn't take much difference.
So what ending did you guys get first time playing? I killed Gerhman and became the new old hunter to oversee the dream.
>>345088352
Same here. Got the ascension ending on my 2nd playthrough.
>>345088352
Moon presence ending. I was told that you have to eat the 3 cords, but found them on my own before that. 3 of 4 anyway
>>345088352
Childhood's end, I got 3 of the cords, in the workshop in pit, one from a boss and one from the whore
>>345088760
How you get them from her? I'm trying to get that ending. Every time I talk to her, she just says that I'm being greedy for her blood
>>345089043
You need to keep her alive until after you defeat Yahar'Gul. Once you get past that she'll eventually leave the church and go down to the sewer near the back, you can get it there by killing her child.
The way to keep her alive is not use her blood, if you do it three times Adella will kill her.
Level design is the biggest buzzword in gaming. It's essentially something vague that you use to defend games you like, and criticize games you don't like.
>>345089162
Thanks
>>345089868
If it doesn't happen after Yahar'gul it might require you to beat Micolash in the Nightmare of Mensis to trigger it.
>>345089939
I didn't use her blood yet so I guess I'm good
>>345089043
Just wait until blood moon and she starts complaining that she feels like Macalay Culkin's career and at one point after killing one boss, can't remember which she disappears and there's trail of blood to the sewer you originally came from, you gotta kill a satan baby she gave birth to to get it.
Oh, and the nun will go postal on her if you take the whore's blood too many times, because she's jealous salty fuck for having inferior genes.
Not surprised that she's a nun.
>>345090328
Thanks famalam. Damn this game is dark. In a good way though.
>>345090328
>she starts complaining that she feels like Macalay Culkin's career
Thanks for the advice m8.
>>345086208
Bloodborne was my first "souls" game, I was pretty terrible at the start, standard Yharnamites were a struggle and usually cost me a couple vials. But you cant make it past Gascoigne without developing at least some level of goodness (as the Trophy %'s clearly display) and after the first area I didnt have too much trouble with anything, I mean I died lots but rarely to the same thing more than once. Defiled Chalice was the first big wall I hit, but eventually I got through it and platniumed the game without summoning once because no PS+.
This pic is from a week ago, its proof of me truly "getting good"
Jay_98t Stream is lit on Twitch
>>345090636
>arcane build on your first run
Can I borrow your balls sometime?
>>345090636
Same, it was my first Souls game too.
I died a hell of a lot and struggled until I finally developed my skills enough and beat the whole thing no summon.
I really enjoyed it. I went back and played DeS and DaS and onwards and I love them too, but Bloodborne is always going to be my favourite.
where the fuck can I get some arcane weapons/spells
I'm at cainhurst/forbidden woods and still using the saw cleaver and beast cutter
>>345090449
>>345090631
Yeah, I couldn't figure out a safe way for the not-too-late abortion, and just ended up killin her in the process as well. I wanted to save her, but you can't lock on to the toddler, and that thing is so close to her, too.
Oh well, I got her shoes.
I felt awful when I found the granny dead outside the chapel, with the note on her chair that says just "wait a while sugar, granny will be back soon". I take care of my granny, and that hit me hard.
>>345090894
no you misunderstood, that was not my first run at all.
Thats my 5th or 6th character, but look at the stats, and look at the gem. Rating 20 Waning Cursed Nourishing's come from one source and that is Amyacdala as the final boss of a Depth 5 Cursed Lower Loran Chalice.
>>345084489
I think this game is pretty overrated
>>345091370
Cainhurst has Executioners Gauntlets which are OP for Arcane builds. Slam Fire gems into the Saw Spear and you won't need anything else. ArCane is a useful backup too. You could try doing the DLC and getting the Kos Parasite I guess but you need to beat the whole thing.
Quick, post your hunter!
>>345091454
She's still "attached" to the kid.
>>345091857
where can I get half decent fire gems? would rather not go through chalice dungeons
>>345085636
>Switch Axe
Mein Neger.
Bloodborne is quite possibly the game of the decade.
PCbabbys and casuals will harp on about TW3 but that game is boring as hell.
>>345091913
Makes sense. You cut the cord and keep it as souvenir. I still wish that I'd have gotten baby flail instead.
>>345091454
Think the granny dies if you take too many of her Sedatives.
I think the explanation was that she goes looking for more.
>>345091370
Any weapon is an Arcane weapon if you put a Fire/Bolt/Arcane gem in it. Theres a fire Waning gem near a Brainsucker in Church Workshop (the door in Odeon Chapel opens up after killing Bloodstarved beast) this gem will fit in Saw Cleaver/Spear or Ludwigs Holy Blade and make it do fire damage instead of physical (not split damage) and scale off arcane instead of STR/SKL.
Alternatively if you make the first chalice dungeon you will get Fire Radials that can fit into any weapon and have the same affect. Early game a Saw Cleaver with the Fire Waning and 2 Fire Radials from the chalice is game-breakingly overpowered.
The same principle applies to Arcane and Bolt, although its a bit harder to find multiple gems for them. Bolt Wanings are easy and so are Arcane Triangles, but finding anything to put in other slots its hard until you get to late-game.
There's also the Tontrius in Yharhagul which is Physical/Bolt and scales off arcane, scaling looks shit on the stat menu, but its masssivly improved whenever the Tontrius' buff is active (which should be 100% of the time).
For spells, Beast Roar (basically force) is in a hut in the forest, executioner gloves (3 homing projeciles) is in Cainhurst, Auger of Eribritas is in Lecture Building which you have acsess to if you start the quest by talking to any NPC window after entering the forest. Later you'll get Tiny Tontrius which is very, very niche in its use and A Call Beyond which is a explosion of homing projectiles that can do 3500 to a large boss where you can get them all to hit.
If you can beat the first DLC boss you can get Blacksky Eye which is basically soul arrow, and later Accursed Brew, which is a grenade typ projectile. As well as the Kos Parasite, which is a pure Arcane weapon that gives you the powers of an Ayy-Lmao. Plus Holy Moonlight Sword which is a STR/ARC weapon.
All damage dealing spell
Remember that the Torch, Flamesprayer, Rosamarius and Molatov's all scale with arcane as well.
>>345092260
That's right, but she came back twice before. Instead I just find her corpse outside with sedatives. This time I wanna save her, I can't lose her twice.
>>345091862
>>345092341
whoops sentence went no where in there and ran out of characters.
Damage dealing spells scale differently to weapons, they never stop scaling so you want at least 70 Arcane if you plan on using them lots.
>>345091959
Do the first Chalice dungeon, its super easy and will get you a garunteed 9% Fire Damage gem and a super easy farm for more 8% fire gems.
Bolt Gems come from Loran Silver beasts in the Nightmare frontier (which you can get to now if you start the Tonsil Stone "quest") and Arcane gems can be gotten off the Blue Alien men in the Forest.
>>345092602
>>345092260
Did you rescue the hermit on top of the windmill? He's a boss monster in disguise and murders people.
>>345092341
>>345092730
thanks, I'll get the fire gems from the chalice dungeon and grab the executioner's gauntlet. How long before the fire gems become obsolete and I have to look for better ones?
also I tried the DLC but the basic hunter enemies fucked me up, I sprinted past and grabbed the beast cutter but I'll have to save that place for later
>>345091862
>>345092774
Yeah, I have killed him every time. Fist time I let him to church, and figured there that hes trouble when the whiny faggot got iced. Other 2 times I straight up murdered him on the roof.
>>345092912
YOU FOUL BEAST
>>345092774
How you get to him
>>345092826
You can beat the game with those gems, Chalice's are weird in the sense that they give out high quality gems like candy relative to the main game. Old Yharnam enemies drop 1.2% gems, but the Chalice you get from BSB will give you 10% physical gems, which dont really appear in the main game until the Forest, Depth 2 Chalices can give you up to 13% gems, even better from boss drops. Depth 3 Chalice (the first one thats actually kinda hard) can give you 16.5% Fire gems, even better if you can find a Root dungeon with Hotdog in it, and whopping 19% Physical Gems which arnt avalible until the final area of the game.
The main point of Fire gems is to get the weapon scaling off Arcane, which should be your biggest stat, the bonus % points are a nice extra. Although its very easy to catch the Chalice Dungeon addiction, because better gems are always just out of reach. Sooner or later you'll be killing Depth 5 Cursed Abhorrent Beast to get 23% Bolt gems with a doubled flat Bolt Secondary.
And yeah, DLC is balanced to be done right before you fight the final boss, but its very possible to run throught the first DLC area and pick up some weapons and items that come in ery handy, like you did with the Beast Cutter.
>>345093297
Climb the windmill in the forbidden woods.He's on an outside balcony.
>>345093297
In the Windmill mid-floot jump out the window onto a Platform and climb a big ladder to get to the rafters and eventually the balcony the Begger is on.
Attack him, its worth it for the fight and the dialouge.
>>345084489
because it does a good job of making you feel like you're always in danger (at least on the first playthrough)
>>345093626
Thanks going to him now
>>345085636
>Witcher 3
>Game
>>345093297
When you first enter the mill, there's a hole on the opposite side of the room in the wall. Gotta walk the wooden walkway. You drop down to a balcony of sorts, climb a ladder after a beast fight. Inside the mill you have to walk on top of the gears (below them is the platform with cannon) and go through a narrow hallway and he's on the left of the exit (right when coming out) eating a corpse.
>>345091862
Charred Hunter set is objectively the best chest piece
Did anyone have the encounter when they went to Iosefka's clinic, instead of being strapped to the table she was standing up? Her fight was cool but damn her dialogue was creepy, especially when she kills you.
>>345094079
Happens when you go before the Blood moon.
>>345094079
She fights you if you go before the blood moon. If you go after she'll be on the table.
>>345093972
Where can i get it? I want to collect all attire in this game
will bloodborne babbies and witcher fags always be enemies?
>>345094112
>>345094129
That makes sense. I found her late in the game and got the cord from her. I wanted to go to her as early as possible to get it again but instead this bitch gave me a rune instead.
>>345094187
I like both games
>>345085636
>Monster Hunter 4U has much, much, much better gameplay
If by gameplay you mean fighting the same kinds of monsters over and over in the same places you've been 20 times before.
>>345086138
>it's better than Bloodborne
>>345092125
>Bloodborne is quite possibly the game of the decade.
No.
>>345094187
I didn't bother playing witcher 2 much, but I got nothing against the game nor people who like it. Only autists get so worked up when someone doesn't like same games.
>>345094187
It was a Witchercuck who mentioned their game in this thread, not the other way around
>>345089939
The trigger is Micolash, not Yahar'Gul
>>345094723
It kinda is though, it's one of the most pure games i've played since the old SNES games and 2D castlevania games.
>No handholding
>No hamfisted story line with nothing but boring exposition
>Pure focus on gameplay, bosses, level design, combat with subtle lore/story telling there for those who want to learn about the world
>Unique setting (Victorian)
>Even more unique twist (Lovecraftian)
Everything that could have went right, went right and it's a game in the purest form.
While "game of the decade" is a stretch, it's not too far off. New Vegas, Dark Souls 1 all compete with it and personally, I like New Vegas the most but I wouldn't mind people calling Bloodborne the game of the decade.
It really is a fantastic experience. My only wish is for a PC release because despite what more die hard Sonyfans say, the framerate/visuals could be so much better.
>>345086208
Honestly, Bloodborne felt the easiest out of all the souls game. Playing as a Mage in all the three previous games and then playing a melee character in Bloodborne felt like the entire game was in slow motion, health was super generous, and my damage output was exceedingly high. It's great, but a lot easier than the previous games.
>>345094158
It's in Old Yarnham on a ledge near Djura's tower, iirc.
>>345085636
I love MH, but it's not really comparable to BB. MH is closer to Souls than BB is, oddly enough. Also, BB is doesn't get stale nearly as fast as MH in terms of combat. I guess you're entitled to your shitty opinion though.
>>345095031
melee in dark souls must be a total cakewalk for you.
>>345095031
Dark souls 1 and 2 had slower melee than BB.
BB still has magic though.
>>345095000
>it's a game in the purest form
>this is what means it's the best game
>along with a bunch of textures and shit that doesn't matter that much
>New Vegas competes with it
>despite being a completely different genre
>ignores all the strategy games released completely
>clearly an idiot
>>345095098
>MH is closer to Souls than BB is
I'm disappointed /v/.
>>345095493
Yes, but not nearly as disappointed as your parents were when they shit you out.
>>345095172
Honestly, on my third playthrough, I did a pure Str and the difference was amazing. Bosses went down so easy and I never had to worry about resource management. Magic is actually the harder mode.
>>345095302
Yeah, but the super generous I frames made me feel like I had all the time in the world, not to mention the fact that you could parry from mid-screen so you don't run the risk of getting hit, and almost all the bosses being so similar in terms of gimmick, it just felt a lot more relaxed.
>>345095736
You're pretty unusual then, most souls players get stressed as fuck by Bloodborne's in-your-face bosses that there were people bitching that DaS3 had a "Bloodborne boss" in it and it wasn't fair.
>>345093873
Just killed him, thanks
>>345095736
>Magic is """""hard."""""
>Smash Soul Arrow against every enemy, utterly removed from danger.
>Use disgustingly overpowered enchantments to melt bosses in seconds.
Kek, wat?
>>345095884
Really? Huh. Maybe it's just because I've platinumed all the other games in order on release. Maybe I'm just used to it.
>>345095959
Magic does less dps than weapons. In the time it takes to cast a strong spell, you could swing your weapon two or three times, out damaging it. Add to the fact that a "pure" mage(spells, miracles, pyromancy, and hexes) are squishy as shit, and in part 2, have almost no investment in adapt and you're pretty much having a harder time.
>>345094158
>>345095096
you gotta drop down to the right near the top of old yharnam, about where djura starts firing you. It's in a dark building full of beasts
>>345095959
I think he meant in BB
Does the game get good again after Forbidden Woods? What a boring area.
>>345097080
Some people say not to kill him, why?
>>345097491
The dlc is GOAT
>>345097491
Yeah, you're at the good stuff after it. Forbidden Woods boss is amazing.
>>345097808
You get a unique gesture if you take the long way around and talk to him first. He'll give you that in addition to the token that gets you his weapon, but you have to kill him for his uniform set to become available in the shop (He also drops the aforementioned token), so the best thing to do is befriend him and then stab him in the back.
>>345090636
I'm still in the process of playing it. I'm finding it got easier after I got my first few levels up, though I'm still going to get my shit pushed in when the boss happens. I'm still not really sure about the parry system though.
>>345097808
He becomes friendly after Blood-Starved Beast, and he's fairly hard to kill. He gives you his emblem and gesture if you be his friend. You have to approach him from behind though.
>>345097491
it depends. are you ready for another city themed area?
>>345098020
Oh wait no, I think he becomes friendly after you've started a fight with Darkbeast Paarl
>>345097814
I have the DLC but the first area destroyed me. When should I do it
>>345098043
I loved cathedral ward, especially at night
>>345098128
No, you're right on both. You need to get up behind him without him spotting and firing on you, to do which you need to taken out Darkbeast Paarl first and unlock the shortcut that leads behind his tower.
>>345098194
Level 65-70 is the DLC's general level range for the first area.
Then 75-80 for the second area, and so on.
>>345098248
you can do it from BSB lantern, don't need to kill camerabeast paarl
>>345098194
Level 60+ should be fine, but bear in mind that it's meant to be hard.
>>345098020
I killed him the first time so I'll just be friends with him
>>345085636
>Witcher 3
>Better experience
>With a single movesets worth of unsatisfying clunky combat and endless repetitive quests
BB is fucking GOAT
>>345084489
>I think level design is good, but I don't know how to describe it. Pls /v/ help me so I can win arguments against my friends.
>>345091862
>>345097491
Yes, forbidden woods is one of my least favorite areas.
>>345085694
>>345093823
>>345101243
>/v/ suddenly hates witcher
What the fuck happened? everyone in /v/ praised it 5 years ago.
Yharnam & Old Yharnam are really the only well designed areas.
>>345096184
I killed artorias with 4 crystal soul spears, its really easy; only difficult part in 1 is grand archives for o vious reasons. I use my mage build to platinum becauae its the easiest one to do it with.
>>345096184
w/ 50 int, moonlight greatsword +5 is 480 pure magic dmg greatsword & butterfly horn +5 is 337 pure magic dmg spear. crystal magic weapon is +400 magic dmg buff
>>345105926
>He died to the pig
>>345091862
Going full edgelord is the only way to go in BB. Also I don't have a proper screenshot so have a shitty one taken from a Youtube video instead.
>>345084729
Because almost every other souls game was flawed in some way, whereas bloodborne is flawless
>>345105926
lol should have dodged
Settle down now everyone, it's Lady Maria's naptime.
>>345109263
>>345085531
>no vertical design
Confirmed for not having played DS1 and 3
>>345101243
>reptitive quests
Oh shut the fuck up I wasnt even going to respond until I saw this
Every quest including Witcher quests feels unique. No cut and paste, new characters, diff environment and tactic
Goddamn if theres one game that /v/ likes to be contrarian retards about its W3
>>345110121
Confirmed for using the Undead Burg and Lothric Castle as the basis for the entire "have good level design" argument.
>>345110460
>Sen's fortress
>Firelink shrine-Darkroot-New Londo Ruins
k-k-k-k-k-k-kk-k-k--killlll yourself
