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Poor heavy
He sucks anyways.
>>345068296
>people like pyro
fucking why
literally the Mei of TF2, everything about him is awful from design to gameplay
Pyro objectively needs changes more.
>>345068438
Because he is fast, makes some AOE and is 1 vs 1 really good.
>>345068438
>everything about him is awful from design to gameplay
Maybe that's why people are voting for him, so this issue can be rectified.
>>345068438
>hating on mei
gitgud
>>345068456
Look at that change
>>345068438
i love the scorch shot
>>345068630
Direct damage. Doesn't really change much. If afterburn reduced healing until it extinguished, then we would have something.
>>345068372
That's why he needs to win.
>>345068296
Fucking pyro scum
>>345068773
I agree
>>345068438
because of all the classes he needs the rebalance the most, certainly more then Heavy. Hes a pub stomper against idiots, and dangerous on certain parts of certain maps. Beyond that hes objectively worse then every class simply due to everyone else having a way to either kill him or put some distance between him and them.
>>345068780
Fucking W+M1 scum
>>345068438
shitter class
the remaining populace that plays tf2 are furfag bronies who are too retarded to play a real class so they play pyro instead
>>345068949
Phlog, thats happen if we try to rebalance the pyro again
>>345068540
>1 vs 1 is really good
You're kidding right?
>loses to heavy due to higher dps
>loses to soldier with shotgun because 25 less health
>loses to scout unless both are in confined to a hallway
>loses to demoman because demoman
He can only reliably 1v1 support classes which I didn't mention, except for engie when he has a sentry up, which is all the time.
>>345068438
It's not that people want him, it's that people want him to be reworked before Heavy.
Which quite honestly is a reasonable choice. Along with Spy, Pyro needs a retooling the most.
Why did they have to nerf the damage resistances for Brass Beast and Natascha? Especially Brass Beast. I mean fuck, you're already a sitting duck when you're using it and making it so the resistance not kicking in until you're half dead is pretty fucking pointless.
>>345069320
Valve=Rdm madness
>>345068438
>he
*she
>>345068296
It's like battling to see which class is more cancerous
Pyro has been ruined with furfag deviantart OCs, SJW tumblr avatars, degenerate inflation porn, and is practically an icon for the leftist agenda
Heavy is the go-to class for friendlying in a competitive matchup, shouting out "pootis" and other outdaded Gmod memes, lmaobox nospread cheating, and proving you're at manchild levels even CWC would be ashamed of
>>345070386
i still remember the time i was playing on a custom map and a medic / pyro (?) combo came in through our base entrance just as i was bullet taunting
pop goes the pyro!
>heavy gets nerfed and pyro gets buffed
>the same day a pyro vs heavy poll opens
Brass Beast should make Heavy immune to crowd control
>>345070964
I'm cool with that. Maybe not total immunity but something like 40% pushback resistance when spun up would be good enough.
HUNG LO heavies thinking that their ring of fire will save them from a backstab.
>>345069105
I think one time a pyro lost to a medic using a syringe gun.
Make afterburn prevent explosive jumping.
>>345068296
>the meme class gets the update first
No wonder Overwatch is the superior game.
>>345070061
Confirmed a he.
>>345068296
I main Heavy and Soldier, but the pyro actually needs a buff. Unless he's coupled with a heavy (ironic isn't it) he can't do much beyond flare people and maybe burn them before getting gunned down.
You know what, his purpose is to flank and wreck people, but a lot of maps aren't like that.
>>345068296
I believe heavy deserves it
But I'm a selfish fuck who plays Pyro
So fuck the fat man
>>345071658
Valve constantly changes the pronoun used to refer to the pyro, just because you saw a "he" on the update page doesn't mean shit.
>>345068296
Why don't they just, you know, rebalance them both?
The Pyro should just get every flamethrower from other games. Like the HUSK gun from Killing Floor.
>>345068949
>class is good at something but other classes have methods of dealing with that problem
Wow crazy huh
>>345071832
They will
They're just pulling this stunt to show people that they still have a plan for long term content
>>345071926
No you don't understand, the game needs to be balanced like a moba and skill matchups are literally non-existant.
>>345072025
Except they probably don't and are only doing this to try and get some of the playerbase from Overwatch back so they can buy more hats.
>>345068568
Anyone who thinks like this is absolutely retarded
>the only counter to a good Sniper is another Sniper
It's Ironic how a TF2 team would demolish a standard team of Overwatch charaters.
>>345072247
how is that ironic at all?
>>345070386
find one "sjw" tumblr blog with with pyro as the avatar
Pyro, Scout, Soldier, Heavy, Engineer, Demoman, Sniper, Medic , Spy
vs
Mei, Tracer, Pharah, Zarya, Torbjorn, Junkrat, Widowmaker, Mercy, Reaper
>>345068438
Because he makes Soldiers mad and Soldier main tears are the most potent.
>>345068296
>>345068438
What if it's just a trick and the character that loses actually wins?
>>345071926
your kidding right? The only thing pyro excels at above everyone else is being able to deal a lot of damage in an ambush to more then one enemy in an enclosed space. Spy and Scout are better at taking on single targets and both can do it better out in the open, Scout and Soldier are more mobile, he has no way of dealing with engineers that arnt in the middle of setting up, Heavy shits on him up close, Snipers can take pot shots at him all day, there are oodles of ways to get rid of afterburn, hes the best at spy checking but anyone can spycheck effectively in mose situations, the only class he does well against is demoman but even then the battle leaves Pyro low on ammo and Demo can flee easily.
Worst class, needs a rebalance.
>>345072651
I was hoping for this
>>345068438
How would you fix him?
>>345068296
>heavy hasn't gotten a decent update in years
>pyro literally changed every update now
>pyro will still win and get an absolutely dogshit weapon that nobody will ever use over the phlog/stock
Why even care anymore?
>>345068438
Reaper is the Pyro of Overwatch
>be pyro
>for 9 years be the worst class in the game
>have to jump through hoops to do damage
>still get nerfed throughout the years because pub shitters cant counter a running pyro(see:love and war axtingusher nerfs,tough break nerfs overall,phlog nerfs after tough break)
>be heavy
>one of the stronger classes
>would be picked all the time in 6s if gru was not banned
>has multiple viable primaries already
Gee i wonder why are people voting for pyro
>>345068296
how do you even fix pyro? the flaws of the class are inherent with the fact he has a short-range flamethrower in a game where explosive spam and poke trumps everything else
heavy needs it more because he is the same as he was on game release and he's fucking boring to play. you just slowly lawnmower along if you want to shoot people and then you're countered by every other class unless you have a pocket but then you're still countered by almost every class unless you are against people who are stupid. i get that the class called heavy is literally heavy and slow but come on, there has to be a way to retool him to make him fun
at least with pyro you get some mobility and alternative ways to play the game but then people bitch that pyro isn't viable in so many scenarios but that's just the game and the game can't be rebalanced in his favor unless you delete soldier, demoman, heavy, engie etc etc
the only way pyro can work is if the game is just pyro v pyro
>>345068540
Nigga he has the third slowest moment speed in the game and no secondary moment options EI: Rocket Jumping/Doubble jumping
Why would anyone feel sorry for Heavy?
The class that has the most health?
The class that is a medic magnet?
The class that can kill any other class in less than a second?
The class with tremendous self-healing?
I'm not advocating for Pyro but why is /v/ so pro Heavy?
>>345069265
What kind of change does Spy need?
>>345068296
I bet the new weapon is gonna be that old airforce looking flamethrower valve has refused to add to the game, even when it has become super popular on the workshop.
Fuck, it is gonna be workshop items.
Anyhow, much like the WAR update, people are expected to git gud and rank points.
Pyro is the official furry class and thus deserved the win :3
>>345068630
Pyro is such a worthless class, Valve has had to change it drastically in more than in one occasion, so it can pretend it serves a purpose in the game.
No other class has received something as retarded as TWO whole new gameplay mechanics of their own. Even Demoknights are just gimmicky as fuck and less effective than their spammer counterpart.
Engie seems to be the best designed class in the game given how little it gets and how hard it is to design new crap for it.
>>345072436
with or without ultimates?
>>345072436
tf2 wins objectively because none of their characters suffer from periods
>so progressive
Pyro definitely needs the rebalancing more. Heavy already has his place in the game, while the devs seem to have trouble finding a place for Pyro.
I think Heavy fans just hear the "new weapons" part and just think about having new guns for their favorite class instead of the balance of the overall game.
Do you think the Mei and the Pyro would have feelings for each other if they met?
>>345077367
Why the fuck those icons don't work for me?
>>345076526
None of their characters have Q's either though
>>345077367
And which part did I upset you the most?
>>345077660
Your bizzarely political rant coming out of nowhere mostly.
>>345073420
>purification
Man I wish /d/ could dig up or make more shit like this, corruption is starting to get real old.
>>345070386
>letting tumblr ruin a multiplayer character for you
>mention nothing about gameplay
Autism
>>345077561
>Heavy is smarter than everybody in Overshit
>>345068296
>playing tf2 after overwatch came out
>playing tf2 after the fucking garbage that was the last update
>playing tf2 with all of the legit shit community servers existing and no valve servers
>playing tf2 after it continually tries to force itself as a competitive game, despite the fact that it fucking isn't in any way
I've got over 3000 hours in tf2 since release and it's not a competitive game. Anyone who believes it is should be shot, because they're clearly beyond fucking deluded.
>>345068296
>Implying it's not rigged
Remember the Steam sales contest? Valve obviously doesn't give a shit.
>>345077769
>dumb russian bear versus dumb moon gorilla
gorilla wins every time simply because it's from the moon
>>345068438
>He can't play a Battle Mei.
Haha, oh wow.
>>345077929
tf2 is more of a competitive game than overwatch lol
>>345077561
there is no q right now that can fuck over uber, which lasts longer than all of them
>>345078112
>implying I think overwatch is a competitive game
If it were a legitimate competitive game, I wouldn't be playing it.
DELETE THIS
this competition has me so pissed
all the pyro faggots want it is pyro to be fixed (it would never be enough for these faggots until he was OP)
but they're going to get a weapon and it most likely will be something like a weapon that encourages to stick with teammates
they will still bitch because that is all pyros ever do.
>>345078162
fact remains that tf2 still has a competitve aspect to it regardless of your opinion on 6s and hl
>>345078332
as long as they never ever touch the third degree im fine with whatever they do with pyro
>>345078417
I play medic a lot and have only been killed by that thing once and it was because I didn't really understand what was happening.
Before the pyromania update, heavy would have won for sure.
>>345078334
It has players trying to force a competitive scene out of a noncompetitive game. Hence, the banning of 90% of weapons in the game.
If you were to talk to a bunch of normalfags and tell them that in order to play League of Legends competitively, you have to ban 90% of the champion in the game, you know what they'd say? AFter they finish laughing at you for being a fucking idiot, they'd say that if you ban 90% of the game, it's not the same fucking game anymore.
No one but your tiny circle of idiots believe tf2 is a competitive game and no one but your tiny circle of idiots respects someone who is good at a shitty joke of a game that tf2 is.
It would be like trying to demand respect for being good at fucking minesweeper.
>>345078667
the official competitive mode doesn't have any weapon bans
>>345078576
Someone tried to use the Pyromania update as a reason for Heavy needing an update more.
I don't know if he just forgot everything about the update other than it being themed around Pyro, but I was completely baffled.
>>345078814
Yeah, because valve is retarded and is trying to make a competitive scene out of a noncompetitive game. It's a complete fucking joke of a game mode and I legitimately have no clue why anyone has continued playing it, especially after valve removed valve servers.
>>345072868
A pyro is primarily a defensive class. He sticks with the heavy+medic, airblasting away projectiles while also being conveniently positioned to burn down spies snd scouts that try to flank.
>>345079051
>I don't like it so it doesn't count
What a baby.
>>345078050
>Heavy
>dumb
>>345068438
because of mentally unstable bronies and furries projecting themselves onto the chracter
>>345078050
>heavy
>dumb
Did you ever play tf2? Heavy is technically one of the smartest guys on the team
>Pyro needs it more because heavy is functional at least?
Fucking how? What does heavy do aside from tanking damage that another class can't do?
The whole new matchmaking thing is god-awful.
Not only that, but that AIDS HUD is stuck at the top of my screen making me drop frames forever.
>>345079137
fucking this people want to play him wandering like soldier which is not how he was designed to play
>>345073827
But Anon, Reaper is actually good in close combat
>>345079624
Jesus christ anon.
Are you really going to make me school you on why Heavy is fine?____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>>345068438
>fucking why
Think about it, pyro you can pick him up and run at people and get kills in your average pub. He has an incredibly low skill floor. Every retard and gibusvision flocks to him. Heavy even though he's still a fairly easy class requires you to aim and have good positioning. You're a big fat slow target if you have shit situational awareness you're not going to do very well.
>>345080286
So you're trying to say that Pyro is better at long distances?
>>345081859
I get more kills with the Flaregun than the flamethrower, so yes
He's definitely more like Mei than Reaper
>>345079976
Pyro was designed as an offensive class.
>>345068949
>>345068568
>>345069265
>im-fucking-plying Valve will fix Pyro
It's the same Valve that nerfed him for years because shitters compained about him being muh W+M1. Whatever they do after Pyro wins won't be good in the slightest.
>>345075329
Now now, it's not entirely worthless. It's the best for spychecking.
>>345071613
>maximum of 6v6
>superior
Lol no
>>345081976
Yeah him and mei share a lot of similarities.
>Primary doesn't require any aim whatsoever
>Easily shut down by tanks/heavies
>Long range projectile that can crit
>Designed to control movement and blocks caps
>Dogshit mobility and dps
>Can become invulnerable for a short time with phlog/ice
>>345079624
>Heavy
>Highest DPS at close-range
>The best at defending Medics because he can easily punish bombers with his minigun
>Highest health which can make him survive a lot of punishment.
These are his best traits, the things he does better than any class.
Pyro on the other hand does literally everything a Heavy does but worse.
Fun game
>>345068438
Pyros the most fun class for me to play, but I could only ever do well as Soldier/Scout, no matter how hard I tried to Pyro. Not even getting good at air blasting saved me from getting rocket juggled, or having someone kill me at a range.
Though I will say I like playing Pyro on defensive maps. Pair him up with an engi and they're literally unstoppable together. Air blast explosives, and torch spies.
>>345073420
>still dresses like a slut
I don't get it.
Is the game still Demo/Solly spam with a few scouts and medics running around?
I quit because hoovy was just not viable against that shit without a pyro to deflect for you.
>>345079976
>which is not how he was designed to play
See, that would make sense if he wasn't in the "Offensive" potion of the class select.
>>345079051
>play in teams against each other
>non competitive
Does not compute
>>345082363Mostly
>>345082297
Because she's one, dumbfuck
>>345082363
Yes, in 6v6. Scout recently became better because Medics get the same speed as the patient with all guns. In pubs anything works desu.
>>345082443
She's supposed to go through a process of purification.
>>345068296
>>345070386
>Letting bad inflation porn ruin the Femme Pyro for you.
Nigga like, Look away or ignore it.
/r/ing the cyber bullying image.
>>345068296
What's all this about? Is pyro getting a redesign?
but isn't pyro the best for waiting behind a corner and then burning making the opponent to retreat and/or lose??
>>345082363
More like scout spam, demo is not as good as he used to be and soldier has gotten some nerfs here and there.
>I quit because hoovy was just not viable against that shit without a pyro to deflect for you.
heavy is still viable you just have to be a bit more careful with your positioning.
>>345083240
By that do you mean becoming a flanker sitting in the corner looking for ambushes? Because that was the only viable thing before and i hated it.
>>345068438
People want pyro to win so valve fucking fixes him ASAP. Heavy is fine for people like (You) who are absolutely awful so they just sit there and minigun people.
>>345083307
No you can still play heavy traditionally, you just don't want to push up too far where you can get focused down by demomen and you need to have really good situational awareness and dodging skills so you can prioritize your targets and not get sniped/backstabbed. Try taking the tomislav and staying further back, if you have good tracking that chip damage adds up.
>>345083326
>pyro main calling other people awful
>>345074823
>third slowest
But that's wrong
>>345083560
You know le W+M1 meme applies more to Heavy than Pyro, right?
>>345074823
>moment
>>345083825
But he's slow as shit and loud while revved. I don't see how you could possibly argue heavy is more subtle than pyro.
>Last game update fixed almost everythig MyM update destroyed
Feels good to be back.
>>345083825
Wrong.
Pyro can run while using his flamethrower. Heavy gets slowed down to a crawl while using the minigun.
>>345083989
how is he arguing that w+m1 is subtle? w+m1 is literally the least subtle thing ever
>>345068540
>and is 1 vs 1 really good.
This is wrong.
>>345068438
*reflects your rocket back at you*
mffin pmnffsomell mid
>>345084006
Could you give me the rundown, anon?
>>345083989
I don't see how you could possibly think I argued heavy is more subtle than pyro.
>>345084067
Pyro doesn't make a WHIRRRRRRRR sound or take an hour to get in range. You can W+M1 as heavy sure but it's not going to be effective when everyone can hear your fatass coming from a mile away.
>>345084006
>brass beast will never be decent
Is map choice back?
>>345084161
So you agree heavy is worse than pyro at w+m1ing?
Then why would anyone w+m1 with him? Pyro is obviously the better choice.
>>345083825
I've never seen a shitter calling Heavy OP or W+M1. Literally everyone I introduced to the game called Pyro an OP W+M1 piece of shit before realizing they could just outrange him.
>>345084114
sure man:
>They fixed casual mode so the teams get refilled with new players (it was bugged before)
>Votekick is back
>Dominations/revenge are back (it was bugged before)
>MAPS ARE BACK, HOLY SHIT
>Create server button is back too
And a couple more fixes, but those are the biggest ones imo.
>>345084049
>Heavy gets slowed down to a crawl while using the minigun.
And continues to walk forward as he face tanks everything coming his way while holding M1 on his weapon that is great at close and long range.
>>345084091
>people shooting rockets directly at pyros
it's almost like you want people to kill your medic with your own rockets
>>345068438
Because it's the most fun class to play with and requires the most skill.
>>345084269
Oh, so you're arguing technicalities now
Fuck off. W+M1 means the effective overuse of the tactic, not literally holding down W and the mouse button.
With that logic, any class can do it.
>>345084268
Also, for everyone interested, here's the official changelog:
http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=22909
Also, no w the map selection shows green bar saying how many people are playing on them, so picking the one with the biggest one should match you faster.
We are back, bois
>>345084268
do they still have that bullshit team balancing? And can you party up yet?
>>345084268
Thanks, lad. I'll consider reinstalling.
>>345084240
What the fuck does subtlety have to do with W+M1, you God damned retard? No, I do not agree with that, because Pyro is frail as shit and dies to everything.
>>345084262
So what you're saying is only people who are bad at the game spout the W+M1 meme?
>>345084421
You could make a party before, it's still in.
And team autobalance has been removed. Instead, the teams now get refilled with new players if they are unequal.
>>345084462
Glad to hear that.
>>345084506
Neat, thanks anon. I haven't played in like two years because I was tired of getting teamswitched.
>>345084269
boy, you're retarded
>Righteous Bison "fixed"
Why? It was such a fun weapon and different to use.
They even called the multi hit feature a bug, despite having an ingame hint to target fleeing enemies.
>>345084403
>W+M1 means the effective overuse of the tactic, not literally holding down W and the mouse button.
>he doesn't open up console and force himself to W+M1 and only control himself with mouse-look
Or like that one video of the guy playing pyro with a steering wheel.
>>345084403
>Oh, so you're arguing technicalities now
What led to you being this mentally handicapped? That is in no way a technicality, W+M1 is a dig at a braindead playstyle by which you can be effective simply by walking straight forward and shooting. This insult applies more to Heavy than Pyro, because Pyro CANNOT be effective by simply walking straight forward and holding mouse 1, whereas heavy can.
>>345084629
Great argument.
Here's my rebuttal: you are bad.
Also, a community update was revealed not-so-long ago. It looks promising, and it already has a lot of support. Check it out if you want, personally i love it:
http://frontline.tf/
>>345084620
Everything is a bit more serious now, with people actually playing the objective and that. And,well, competitive is also a thing now, so...yeah.
Have fun dude!
>>345084268
>MAPS ARE BACK, HOLY SHIT
>Play competitive
>Only get koth_viaduct
I fucking hate this map anon.
>>345084273
>implying that the Pyro can only reflect rockets which are heading straight towards him
Confirmed for 30 hours playtime shitter. That fag can airblast any projectile that's ANYWHERE near him when pressing RMB. If said projectile is behind him but very close to him he can STILL airblast it and have it move like it came out of his flamethrower, regardless of its initial direction.
>>345084269
>minigun
>great at long range
Come again?
>>345084782
>Plays competitive
>Expects to be able to pick the map you want.
w e w
>>345084826
Have you literally never played against an aimbotting Heavy?
>>345084269
>And continues to walk forward as he face tanks everything coming his way while holding M1 on his weapon that is great at close and long range.
This is how shitters play heavy. You jump-spin the minigun if you have anything resembling a brain.
>>345084782
Play casual instead. Or Tf2center.
I don't fucking know, the options are out there.
Do people still play the old maps and shit? Like is Granary still a thing?
>>345084697
>you can be effective simply by walking straight forward and shooting
That's the fucking thing: you're not effecting by walking straight forward and shooting as Heavy, therefore Heavy cannot W+M1
God, you're an idiot.
>>345084937
Of course, silly.
>>345084697
>Pyro CANNOT be effective by simply walking straight forward and holding mouse 1
>>345084893
>This is how shitters play heavy
It's how shitters play everything.
Heavy is more effective with this playstyle than Pyro is in spite of the meme, which is the entire point.
>>345084494
>What the fuck does subtlety have to do with W+M1, you God damned retard?
Because that's what makes W+M1 so effective in the first place? He isn't slow as shit like heavy, demo, or soldier and also very forgiving and easy to play unlike scout. The perfect middle ground for shit players who have bad positioning and bad aim, pyro requires neither.
>No, I do not agree with that, because Pyro is frail as shit and dies to everything.
He will still be more effective than a heavy because he will still have people to shoot at by the time he gets in range. Even a F2P would know to run if he hears a minigun revved up around a corner.
>>345085032
If you have trouble killing a w+m1 pyro, you are just bad dude.
>>345084967
W+M1 is more effective for Heavy than it is for Pyro.
If you still cannot wrap your head around this fact, there is no helping you.
>>345084885
How the fuck is that an argument?Human players can't use the minigun like that, ever
>>345085001
Oh good. I was hoping they weren't buried under a mountain of community maps. I haven't played in a really long time.like since the 360 version was still popular
>>345085056
>Even a F2P would know to run if he hears a minigun revved up around a corner.
You'd be surprised.
>>345085032
Found the retard that kept dying to phlog pyros.
>>345084967
>you're not effecting by walking straight forward and shooting as Heavy
Lol, go play any payload map right now because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
>>345085076
>moving the goalposts
If you have trouble killing ANY kind of Heavy then you're just awful
>>345084494
>only people who are bad at the game spout the W+M1 meme?
Of course? Pyro sucks dicks against anyone that isn't spy, and W+M1 is generally used as a complaint for him being too overpowered and getting kills far too easily.
>>345085107
>I'll call my bullshit a fact, that'll prove it
>>345085198
And you go actually play Team Fortress 2, because I think we're playing different games.
>>345085195
More like the "retard" who dominated almost all the enemy team in a match by just going W+M1 as Pyro
>>345085150
Be warned 5cp maps are filled with some scary as fuck players.
I just got out of a sunshine game that dragged on for an hour and a half with soldiers and demos flying all over the fucking place.
>>345085032
You are really bad at the game if you disagree with that.
>>345085056
>Because that's what makes W+M1 so effective in the first place?
No it is not you weird little idiot.
>and also very forgiving and easy to play
It is seeming more and more like you have never even played TF2.
>The perfect middle ground for shit players who have bad positioning and bad aim, pyro requires neither.
Pyro is 99% positioning. Jesus Christ, I can't imagine being this wrong about just everything I say, it must be a nightmare.
>He will still be more effective than a heavy
He will not.
>by the time he gets in range
So what you're saying is, you can just run away from a Heavy, but it's impossible to do so for Pyro? Consider what your mistake was here, and then be reminded of the fact that Pyro can do nothing while they are running away, unlike Heavy who can still get them down to 50-25% HP.
>>345085317
Hey I had a sunshine game yesterday which also went on for more than half an hour. Relatively good players on both sides, it was fun as fuck.
>>345084181
What is Tomislav? It negates one of his biggest weaknesses. It's almost a direct upgrade in all situations.
>>345085125
The question was whether or not a minigun was good at range. It factually is, as can be demonstrated by perfect aim compared to other weapons.
>>345085237
>Pyro sucks dicks
>him being too overpowered and getting kills far too easily
Mutually exclusive.
>>345085249
I have actually been using arguments, unlike the retard saying "hurr Pyro is more subtle".
>>345082146
actually hes not even best for spychecking any more now that spy has 107% (medic) movement speed. This is on top of the dead ringer and the spycicle both of which counter pyro. At this point if I want to counter spies I'd seriously just go as a milk scout. You get more mobility (better for sticking on the spy) a better tracking tool (milk) and you're actually useful outside of flamethrower range (scatter gun at long range does anywhere between 3 to 12 damage vs flamethrower's zero)
>>345068296
what do people want changed about heavy anyway?
>>345085516
>It is seeming more and more like you have never even played TF2.
Landing bullets is harder than a flamethrower, yeah ok dude.
>Pyro is 99% positioning
Yeah maybe if airblast didn't exist and he wasn't the second fastest class in the game sure. If a pyro doesn't want to fight you all he has to do is spam airblast and back pedal. What can a heavy do? If he gets stuck in a bad fight he can't retreat. Hell just getting kills is hard enough, heavy takes time to spin up and if he makes too much noise he gives his position away.
>but it's impossible to do so for Pyro?
Pyro outruns every class backpedaling except scout and players with bad ping can have flame range up to twice as long as normal.
>It is seeming more and more like you have never even played TF2.
nice ad hominem dude
>>345086172
make him smaller and give him a flamethrower
>>345086234
kek
>>345085695
Something new players probably won't be using when brass beast and natascha exists.
Scout, soldier, demo, medic = competitive classes
Rest = casual fun classes
And it should stay that way, heavies snipers and engies just completely shit up sixes the moment they hit the field whenever they're good
>it's afternoon and I'm bored to do anything productive
>decide to drink till I get wasted and play tf2
>join Valve server
>pick Pyro
>Backburner
>W+M1 non-stop, sometimes flank to get the sweet crits, but mostly run mindlessly right in the middle of the enemy team since I'm completely shitfaced
>topscore every single round
>laughing my ass off
>medics start healing me because of that
>W+M1 intensifies
>start typing Black Hand and Flame Tank quotes(Nod units from Command & Conquer) in all caps in the chat while I go on killstreaks
>mfw there are people who hate W+M1 Pyros
IT
JUST
WORKS
>>345084273
There are plenty of soldiers who shoot rockets at me when I play Pyro.
Hell, whenever I play Soldier, I fire a test rocket to see if the guy actually knows about airblasting or not.
A lot of people don't give Pyro mains the benefit of the doubt.
>>345086209
>Landing bullets is harder than a flamethrower
The bullets are hitscan, which means they reach further and come out faster.
>Hell just getting kills is hard enough
you
are
bad
>Pyro outruns every class backpedaling except scout
Which doesn't matter if you can't get close enough to burn them.
>nice ad hominem dude
That isn't what that means. Me calling you a retard who is shit at the game is not an ad hominem, it is an insult.
>MYM remake comes
>Pyro has the most points
>Gets new ways to w+m1 and new ways to combo people
>6 months later
>Heavy finally gets his remake
>He gets some recoloured fists and a new minigun
>The minigun is shit
>2 weeks later minigun gets nerfed
>>345068438
>literally the Mei of TF2
Which do you think was first you fucking retard?
Hint: it wasn't Mei
>>345072107
The reasoning is perfectly sound, the only retarded thing is Valve since they'll inevitably fuck it up.
>>345086209
>Landing bullets is harder than a flamethrower, yeah ok dude
You even played pyro before?, the slightest bit of lag or high ping from you or your target and you're left there spinning in circles, landing pipes is easier than getting constant consistent with a flamethrower.
>>345068296
I didn't even get to score any points for Heavy because I left the world of <400 ping at the same time the competition was announced.
>>345086925
Pause your torrents my man.
>>345086597
>which means they reach further and come out faster.
That doesn't have anything to do with them being easy to hit. I'd take my chances as a scout against a shitty heavy than a pyro anyday.
>you are bad
Is it impossible for you to write a reply without name calling like a fucking 12 year old? I never said anywhere that I was referring to myself, it's all relative to pyro.
>Which doesn't matter if you can't get close enough to burn them.
Why would that not be the case? Pyro is speedy enough and quiet enough he can move around the map without much issue where as heavy is big, loud, and slow.
>Me calling you a retard who is shit at the game is not an ad hominem
lolwhat
>>345086991
No torrents, the WiFi here is slow and adds a few hundred ping to any connection, not to mention that it simply doesn't work half the time.
>>345087002
>>345086597
You're both autistic.
>>345086915
>landing pipes is easier than getting constant consistent with a flamethrower.
>>345087002
>That doesn't have anything to do with them being easy to hit.
Well yeah, it does.
>Is it impossible for you to write a reply without name calling
>like a fucking 12 year old?
lol
>Pyro is speedy enough and quiet enough he can move around the map without much issue where as heavy is big, loud, and slow.
So what you're saying is if you take side paths and sneak around you can be effective as Pyro? Are you aware that that is the exact fucking opposite of W+M1?
>lolwhat
Look it up, dingdong. Insults are not the same as ad hominems. I'm saying you're wrong and calling you a dipshit, I'm not saying you're wrong BECAUSE you're a dipshit, though I'm sure it doesn't help.
>>345087173
Well thank God you're here to feel superior to both of them.
>>345087219
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh3gPQuVCWo
>>345087463
I, too, read that xkcd comic
>>345087219
As someone who dual-mains both classes I'm inclined to agree with him. Flamethrower's particles are fucking bananas, pipes aren't so bad once you realize they don't come out where the reticle is.
So more fempyro porn then?
>>345068296
I don't get why people assume the Pyro winning will mean Valve will completely rework the class, and actually come up with good ideas to do it. They have already proven there's nothing you can do for a class that has such short range to be good in this game. Pyromania was the last Meet The update of all. By that time, Pyro was already established as a liability, and what did they do? Basically nothing.
If Pyro wins this, I don't see them fixing all the inherent problems of the class. I see them adding a couple of gimmicky weapons, making some balance changes that ultimately mean nothing, and that's it. If that's the case, I'd at least have them for Heavy sooner so the class is a little more varied to play. After all, the Pyro already at least has weapon options on how he chooses to play. Heavy has nothing of the sort.
>>345087690
>After all, the Pyro already at least has weapon options on how he chooses to play
>>345086209
>5000+ hours
>Probably only W+M1s as heavy with a butt fag medic
>Still being this bad.
Top kek
>>345078050
Heavy has a PhD in Russian Literature you fuck.
>>345078667
>It would be like trying to demand respect for being good at fucking minesweeper.
Have you ever played Minesweeper?
https://youtu.be/GrZCWx0fnfc
>>345087803
Yeah, he does. What point are you trying to make by quoting that?
>>345087954
I've won several minesweepers trophys in my country, dude.
I'm a minesweeper master. Show a bit of respect.
>>345087381
>Well yeah, it does.
Reach further does not make aiming any easier, that's like saying sniper is the easiest class in the game because he has infinite range.
>come out faster
pyro shoots giant boxes around, heavy shoots lasers, how in any fucking way is that easier?
>So what you're saying is if you take side paths and sneak around you can be effective as Pyro?
Pubbies don't pay attention to you either way but relative to heavy pyro has a much easier time getting by undetected. Even if he flanks unintentionally because he got lost or ran looking for a healthkit the point still stands pyro has a much higher chance of success.
>I'm not saying you're wrong BECAUSE you're a dipshit
No you've only done just that several times now like the rest of /v/ you start throwing a tantrum when you're losing an argument.
>>345087481
BTFO
>>345087481
Pyro's range is inconsistent as fuck but that doesn't make aiming any harder. You don't aim somewhere else because your flames are shorter.
>>345088089
>Reach further does not make aiming any easier
No but it makes hitting easier. As does having hitscan as opposed to relying on particles that have to travel.
>heavy shoots lasers, how in any fucking way is that easier?
Both have comparable damage cones, one gets cut off prematurely and has travel time.
>pyro has a much easier time getting by undetected
Yes, great, I agree, that is the whole point of the class. What does that have to do with W+M1, you fucking mongoloid?
>No you've only done just that several times now
Not a once.
>like the rest of /v/
did you just admit to not being from here
>>345088337
The particles mean you have to continuously lead shots instead of just tracking something, and not only that but it comes out in an unreliable arc when moving or turning.
>>345087983
That every class in the fucking game has weapon options on how he chooses to play you git.
It's like saying a retarded engineer is just as good as another engineer because he can breath.
>>345088764
>Pyro has access to primaries and secondaries that allow you to deal with different threats or change the way you approach fights depending on what you choose, and are situationally useful to varying degrees
>Heavy, aside from having little variety in the weapons he has, also has most of those weapons be completely useless and thus you are restricted to a very shallow amount of weapons that, at the end of the day, always have you playing the exact same way unless you go for completely gimmicky options like the Buffalo Steak
Is this so hard to understand?
>>345088403
>No but it makes hitting easier
Yeah and do what? 15 damage before they jump behind cover? That's not being effective.
Heavy and pyro both have to be close to do as much damage possible.
>As does having hitscan as opposed to relying on particles that have to travel.
Those particles are each half as big as pyro and he puts out dozens of them at once. It's not even a contest.
>What does that have to do with W+M1, you fucking mongoloid?
Because for W+M1 to be effective as either class they has to get close without being spotted and pyro easily beats heavy in that area.
>Not a once.
>Pyro is 99% positioning. Jesus Christ, I can't imagine being this wrong about just everything I say, it must be a nightmare.
>did you just admit to not being from here
No /v/ is just one of the shittiest boards on 4chan.
>>345089096
>>Pyro has access to primaries and secondaries that allow you to deal with different threats or change the way you approach fights depending on what you choose, and are situationally useful to varying degrees
So does every class in the entire game, it doesn't mean he's not a buggy unbalanced mess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul10umf8P4w
>>345089124
>Yeah and do what? 15 damage before they jump behind cover?
15 vs 0. But also you are assuming they can instantaneously take cover.
>Heavy and pyro both have to be close to do as much damage possible.
Like every class other than sniper. Heavy also does more damage point blank than Pyro. Pyro also does no damage outside of his range.
>Those particles are each half as big as pyro
Factually wrong.
>for W+M1 to be effective as either class they has to get close without being spotted
SNEAKING IS THE OPPOSITE OF W+M1 YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER
>>Pyro is 99% positioning. Jesus Christ, I can't imagine being this wrong about just everything I say, it must be a nightmare.
Yes, that is something I said. That is also not an ad hominem. Please learn the difference between an ad hominem and an insult.
>/v/ is just one of the shittiest boards on 4chan.
So you aren't from here then.
>>345089480
>>for W+M1 to be effective as either class they has to get close without being spotted
>SNEAKING IS THE OPPOSITE OF W+M1 YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER
Yeah, just run up to that revved up Heavy screaming at the top of your lungs in full view of him. I'm sure it will work out great for you.
>>345089572
So you agree with me then. Pyro does not have the tools necessary to effectively W+M1, especially when compared to Heavy.
>>345089801
He doesn't have the tools to do anything well, save for pushing back ubers.
>>345068438
Overwatchfags need to kill themselves.
>>345089887
Uh, yes, I agree with that. What do you think this conversation is about?
>>345089965
I know you agree with that.
I'm just pointing out how shitty Pyro is.
>>345089480
>15 vs 0
Because that's not relevant to the argument. I can snipe people with the pistol for 5 damage doesn't mean F2Ps are going to suddenly start picking up scout. The range where heavy and pyro get kills is about the same.
>Like every class other than sniper
They have have other hurdles F2P are going to struggle with. Out of all the combat classes heavy and pyro are the most straightforward and easy to pick up.
>Heavy also does more damage point blank than Pyro
Those players have to be point blank to begin with, heavy cannot chase after the fact. If a new player picks up heavy they're going to walk everywhere revved and nobody is going to be caught in front of him when he can be heard from the other side of the map.
>Factually wrong.
>That is also not an ad hominem
You didn't have an argument you just made a claim without any supporting evidence other than your shittalk.
>So you aren't from here then.
No I've just been around long enough to see this place become a giant shithole. Stop putting words in my mouth.
>>345090093
>Because that's not relevant to the argument
It is.
>Out of all the combat classes heavy and pyro are the most straightforward and easy to pick up.
No, that has always been soldier. Also what the fuck does that have to do with anything.
>heavy cannot chase after the fact
He doesn't have to, because they will be fucking dead if he started shooting them point blank. He also IS NOT FORCED TO SHOOT AT PEOPLE POINT BLANK UNLIKE PYRO.
>>Factually wrong.
Yes thanks for proving so with the very image you just posted.
>You didn't have an argument
Factually wrong again. Anyone with eyes can click through the reply chain and see that I have in fact had an argument. Meanwhile all you can talk about is how loud the minigun is, completely ignoring the Tomislav and pretending the flamethrower is some silent killer.
>Stop putting words in my mouth.
They're your own words. You are the one referring to "/v/" in the third person as though you are separate from /v/.
>>345091295
>It is.
>because _______
>No, that has always been soldier
soldier has to rocket jump to be effective
>Also what the fuck does that have to do with anything.
because we're talking about W+M1 here and the classes with the lowest skill floors that appeal to F2P.
>He doesn't have to, because they will be fucking dead if he started shooting them point blank
Not if they're not there to begin with, that's my point. A heavy who revs too much isn't going to get easy kills like this.
>He also IS NOT FORCED TO SHOOT AT PEOPLE POINT BLANK UNLIKE PYRO.
Pyro can run down anyone who tries to escape, it's the same shit.
>Yes thanks for proving so with the very image you just posted.
What's next you're going to tell me the sky isn't blue and water isn't wet? I'm not going to waste my breath on someone who can't write an argument without caps lock and insults and denies facts.
>>345091765
>because _______
You made the initial assertion, you are the one that needs to justify point of view.
>soldier has to rocket jump to be effective
Well no, no he doesn't. It makes him significantly more effective, but just spamming rockets is plenty effective for the skill level you are talking about.
>because we're talking about W+M1 here and the classes with the lowest skill floors that appeal to F2P.
What does F2P have to do with that you dunce?
>Not if they're not there to begin with, that's my point.
Yes, and if they aren't there to begin with Pyro cannot do any damage at all with his primary.
Close range: Heavy > Pyro
Mid range: Heavy > Pyro
Long range: Heavy > Pyro
Continuous fire: Heavy > Pyro
Face tanking shots without dodging: Heavy > Pyro
What about this is so hard for you to get?
>Pyro can run down anyone who tries to escape, it's the same shit.
Only if they are point blank. If Heavy has an enemy at point blank range, Heavy will kill before they can get away, meaning he doesn't need to fucking chase them. I swear to God, every time you post something you just dump every other relevant piece of information, you're arguing with fucking blinders on.
>What's next you're going to tell me the sky isn't blue and water isn't wet?
You can visibly recognize that that hitbox is not "half the size of Pyro". Do you have 0 understanding of perspective as well?
>without caps lock and insults and denies facts.
I wouldn't need these of you weren't denser than dark matter.
