What went wrong? Why was Sony unable to leverage its iconic franchises? Why so many 3rd party characters?
>Evil Cole
Why?
>>345058120
>Sony
>iconic
Choose one
>>345058689
God Of War was the biggest game on E3
>>345058120
> iconic franchises
what iconic franchises
>>345059319
Infamous
Killzone
Starhawk
Fat Princess
Jak and Daxter
Gravity Rush
God of War
Heavenly Sword
Uncharted
PaRappa the Rapper
Ratchet & Clank
LittleBigPlanet
MediEvil
Sly Cooper
Ape Escape
Twisted Metal
ETC.
Sony's IPs are worth millions .
>>345058120
>playstation allstars
>allstars
>no crash
>no spyro
>>345059768
>>345059894
Those are 3rd party properties tho, Sony has its own franchises.
>>345060020
nigger please, If you dont know Twisted Metal or God of War there is the door
>>/reddit/
>>345059768
>dude with superpowers
>dude with gun
>literally who
>literally who
>definitely not Banjo & Kazooie
>anime girl
>edgy dude with anger issues
>literally who
>dude with gun
>granted
>definitely not Banjo & Kazooie: Robot Edition
>hackey sack
>granted
>furry
>granted
>somewhat obscure for normies but granted
Oh yeah, top tier roster they got.
>>345058120
The had it developed by a literally who developer. Basically on the same level as the new ghostbusters game.
>>345060926
>edgy dude with anger issues
Kratos is easily in the top ten of video game characters
>>345061257
The IPs alone should have made it succesful tho, the franchises represented in the game are huge.
Lackluster roster without the starpower and recognizability of Smash, and the system of only getting kills with supers was pretty awful. I hope Sony takes another crack at it, but they need to go back to the drawing board and rework the gameplay from the ground up.
>>345061373
In terms of exclusively Sony characters? Sure.
Overall? Keep dreaming, fuccboi.
>>345061671
>Lackluster roster without the starpower and recognizability of Smash
characters like Nathan Drake, Ratchet & Clank , Kratos, Sackbo, Jak and Daxter, etc have as much starpower as the characters in smash .
The gameplay was fun , it had some problems but it was really fun.
>>345062096
Name 10 vidya protagonists more popular and iconic than Kratos.
>>345058120
No ricky bobby
>>345058889
Twilight Princess
>>345062138
You can't compare Nathan Drake, Sackboy, and Jak and Daxter to Mario, Link, and Donkey Kong. The only characters in PSASBR that your average normie would recognize are Kratos and maybe Sweet Tooth or Big Daddy. Smash is a game that contains some of the most iconic characters in the history of the medium. Can you really say the same about All Stars?
And the problem is that it didn't necessarily have to match Nintendo's cast to succeed, it just needed to carve its own niche and be fun to play on its own merits. Unfortunately the gameplay turned a lot of people off, including myself. I really tried to give the game a fair shake, but the focus on supers made the game really unbalanced and normal attacks meaningless. The game just needed more systems in place to add depth. Maybe something where damage accumulated slows your character down or hinders them in some way. Anything to make the 99% of attacks in the game that aren't kills feel important.
>>345058889
Maybe for Sony.
They made the worst fucking roster possible
Also online modes were the glitchiest stuff i've ever witnessed
>>345063224
Mario
Link
Laura Croft
Master Chief
Ezio
Issac Clarke
John Marston
CJ (San Andreas)
Adam Jensen/JC Denton
Dragonborn
>No Crash
>No Spyro
>No Sora
>No Cloud
>No Mario
it was shit
>>345063224
Mario
Link
Crash
Sonic
Donkey Kong
Cloud
Spyro (being dead doesn't stop it from being iconic)
Rayman
Simon Belmont
Kirby
Fuck you and your arbitrary numbers. Fucking Bubsy is more iconic than Kratos.
>>345063669
Sony won 2 gens with psx and ps2 , what games were all those people playing? Sony franchises obviously are on the same level.
>>345058120
They didn't just copy melee. The one time Sony SHOULD have ripped off Nintendo exactly, and they failed to do it.
>>345063224
Mario, Luigi, Peach, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Link, Kirby, Mega Man, Sonic, Pac-Man
What do they all have in common?
>>345063965
>Ezio
>Isaac Clark
>Adam Jensen/JC Denton
wew lad
>>345063965
>Isaac Clarke
literally who?
>>345059768
>tfw all of Sony's good IP's are dead as fuck
Ape Escape 4 fucking when ;_;
>Cloud got in Smash instead of PSAS
I'm still amazed.
>>345064169
>>345064307
how new
>>345064136
So you honestly believe if you showed a thousand random people a picture of Mario and Kratos, they would recognize the both of them equally?
>>345064321
lmfao i never even thought of this holy shit
>>345064321
Nomura and Sakurai are fuck buddies
>>345058120
>developed by an indie studio
>obvious choices aren't even in
>KO system
>Donte instead of Dante
>Zeus
It had good music though.
>>345064441
Among gamers, yes.
>>345064136
And yet the PSX franchises that put Sony on the map (Final Fantasy, Crash, and Spyro) got no representation in the game.
>>345064321
so did Snake and Bayo
sony smash got Raiden and Donte
>>345064835
Not that guy, but you're really deluded if you think that's true. Not even Master Cheif is nearly as popular as Mario. Mario is literally the face of gaming.
>>345064484
I thought that was Sakurai and Kojima?
Sakurai must have a lot of fuck buddies.
>>345065018
Why has the Wii U failed so hard with like 10 Mario games? PS4 is leading and people lost their minds with the new God of War.
>>345064835
First of all, you're either deluded or insane. Secondly, it doesn't matter what "gamers" know or like. PSAS is a party game that's supposed to appeal to gamers and non-gamers alike, just like Smash. And non-gamers have no idea who anyone is on that roster while being at least familiar with roughly 1/4 of the Smash cast.
Still don't understand what being "iconic" has to do with gameplay or quality.
>>345065469
Non-gamers don't own gaming consoles, they play on their phones.
>>345065310
And yet Smash Bros U massively outsold PSAS on a console with a much smaller install base than the PS3.
Honestly I loved playing as Isaac, it was just hilarious
>>345065572
The entire point of these kinds of games is that it's iconic characters mashed into a fighting game. Smash of course, that Konami/Hudson thing...but then PSAS just doesn't have that. I don't know if any of them at all are truly "iconic".
>>345065981
Plenty of non-gamers owned PS3s. They were the cheapest bluray players on the market for quite some time.
So, did Activision just say "no" to including Crash and Spyro, or did Sony not even bother asking?
Superbot were utter hacks. Sony Santa Monica put out a balance patch that fixed every fuck up they made, despite them never having made a fighting game before.
Tried to be both a serious fighting game and a fun party game like Smash and didn't really capture either audience
It still sold over a million copies, which is fair
>>345066542
They did ask, apparently Activision wanted an unreasonable amount of money
>>345058120
I didn't buy it because of Donte.
>>345059768
But they aren't iconic.
Mario is iconic.
>>345059768
millions of pesos maybe
>>345058120
Nowhere near the budget or work put into Smash. It is like Battleborn to Overwatch.. completely overshadowed.
>>345066875
>Sackboy
>Not iconic
Wew lad
>Playstation All Stars
>comes out before DmC
>DmC
>All Star
>>345067026
Not even close.
Go ahead and find someone who doesn't give two shits about vidya. Show him Mario and Sackboy.
What are the chances that:
>person knows who Mario is and doesn't know who is Sackboy
>person knows who Sackboy is and doesn't know who is Mario
A) Limited marketing campaign. Smash Bros practically markets itself due to the fact that it's a long-running series, but back in the 90s the original Smash 64 was EVERYWHERE, all over TV. It was marketed very hard.
B) Mediocre mechanics. Smash has the very simple "knock your opponents off the map" win condition, which can be accomplished so many different ways. PSAS just puts everybody in a cage match where you can't KO anyone without using your Super Move -- which will be the same every time.
C) Most of these lack "iconic" status. Several of these character had literally only one game under their belt at the time the game came out. On top of that, none of these characters are generally known to non-gamers, while Mario characters and some Pokemon characters are easily recognized by the general population, so Smash has a further advantage in terms of recognition.
>>345067314
By that logic Mario is the only iconic vidya character.
>>345067635
Not really but close.
Number of possible iconic characters is limited. And Sony still doesn't have one.
>>345064484
They didnt meet each other until that one interview a few months ago
>>345058889
>>345059768
delusional sonyggers, everyone.
>>345068005
T. Nintenyearold
>>345064321
>Smash got Cloud, Bayonetta, Ryu, and Solid fucking Snake
>All-Stars got Big Daddy, Fat Princess, and fucking Donte
>>345067862
What is lying.
The only "iconic" character in that game is kratos
>>345069089
Implying Nathan Drake isn't iconic
>>345060926
>red plumber
>green plumber
>princess 1
>turtle
>dinosaur
>princess 3
>yellow evil plumber
>gorilla
>monkey
>elf
>princess 2
>dark elf
>cartoon elf
>anime swordsman 1
>anime swordsman 2
>anime swordsman 3
>anime swordswoman 1
>anime magic swordsman/woman
>anime dragon swordsman/woman
>space marine
>stripper
>pink marshmallow
>evil bat marshmallow
>penguin
>angel
>dark angel
>goddess
>and so on and so forth
I can do it too with Nintendo characters
>>345069518
This
>>345058120
>Why so many 3rd party characters?
1: Heihachi
2: Dante
3: Raiden
4: Big Daddy
5: Isaac Clarke
vs
1: Sonic
2: Snake
3: Mega Man
4: Pac-Man
5: Ryu
6: Cloud
7: Bayonetta
>>345069702
Nintoddlers BTFO
>>345069089
>Nathan Drake
>Ratchet and Clank
>Sackboy
>Sweet Tooth
>Big Daddy
>Parappa the Rapper
>not Iconic
>>345069089
the only "Iconic" characters in Smash are Mario and Luigi
>>345068292
this was a new developer working on the game, Studios like Konami and Square werent gunna just hand over their character to a no name studio. if Naughty Dog or Santa Monica were the prime developers it would have been a different story.
>>345070046
Yeah, PSABR had more iconic relevant characters, not literally who from the 80s
>>345069518
Someone says Red Plumber, you instantly think of Mario.
>>345069702
Smash has become a series about celebrating all video games. Imagine that. Shame Sonic, Megaman Pac-Man, Ryu and Cloud couldn't get into PAS.
>>345070254
>>345070046
>>345063756
Most viewed E3 trailer.
>>345069702
There's a difference
Ex.
>Megaman
Iconic for being on NES
>Big Daddy
ZERO asscociation with PlayStation. Just as much an Xbox or PC Allstar.
>>345070646
same thing can be said about
Sonic - associated with Sega
Snake - associated with Playstation
Bayonetta - no name character with 2 games total
Pac-Man - associated with arcades
Cloud - associated with Playstation
vs
Heihachi - Tekken is a long running fighting game exclusive to the Playstation until recent years (minus arcade machines)
Raiden - Metal Gear "Solid" began on the PS1, and Raiden's first ever appearance was on the PS2 in Metal Gear Solid 2, Snake was on the PC and NES first
Dante - DMC is another long running series associated with Playstation until recent years, the DmC version is just the most recent version
Big Daddy - Multiplat same boat as Bayonetta
Isaac Clarke - Multiplat same boat as Bayonetta
>>345070621
God of War is huge, Sony has the best, biggest and more iconic franchises.
>>345071032
>Bayonetta
>multiplat
Not anymore, keep crying about it.
>>345071053
well I would still say Mario Bros, Zelda and Pokemon are bigger, but Sony's biggest are definitely bigger after those 3
>>345071053
Nah.
Pac-Man and Mario are the best known video game characters and franchises.
>>345058120
I liked it. Still hoping for a sequel.
>>345071053
>best
no
>iconic
no
>biggest
No
>>345071127
1 game doesnt change that its still not multiplat. the second game does not erase the first one being on multiple systems
>>345071223
>the last of us
>not one of the biggest games in the world
Sony's fans are smarter and more discerning than nintenyearlds. They don't buy low-quality games.
Contrast that with how many people willingly payed money for Super Smash Bros.
I rest my case.
>>345071223
The Last of Us is the best game of all time followed by Uncharted 4
>>345071406
Haha you almost got me.
>>345071406
Journey was also up there for a while
>>345071312
>During E3, Sony tagged the All Stars trailer as Smash Bros.
Sony so smart.
>>345071482
And it's one of the bests of its generation, no question about that.
>>345071475
Its the GOAT tho, no other game comes close besides U4
Sony has remained a constant contender in the video game industry without keeping a constant mascot series, and instead has changed its flagship series' generation after generation with few exceptions like Ratchet and Clank, and God of War.
Nintendo is only around right now, because of Mario and Zelda games. If these 2 series were to be faulted, or finish, Nintendo would fall hard.
>>345072446
K, let's pretend Kirby and Pokemon don't exist.
>>345058120
The roster kinda sucked, especially when there are two Coles
>mfw fighting 3 Kratos in online
Most of those franchises are targeted at dudebro audiences who don't like games like those. If they did they'd probably buy a nintendo console instead of a sony one.
>>345072538
Pokemon sells handhelds, not enough to keep Nintendo afloat
>Kirby
LOL oh ok yeah I remember the last time people were excited for a Kirby game...
>>345072542
>Its ok when Nintendo does it
PSAS:
2 Coles
vs
SSB:
2 Marios
2 Samus
2 Pits
2 Zeldas
2 Links
3 Miis
2 Marths (Roy and Lucina = 1 Marth)
>>345072676
You mean Robobot Planet?
>>345072920
Dark Pit and Dr. Mario and Lucina were meant to be alt skins.
Two fucking Zeldas though? The fuck?
It wasn't a Powerstone clone
>>345073009
>Dark Pit and Dr. Mario and Lucina were meant to be alt skins.
excuses excuses
>Two fucking Zeldas though? The fuck?
Sheik is Zelda
>>345073009
>Robin planet
Literally who?
>>345073463
*Robobot
The name is so retarded that the phone autocorrect can't believe it.
On the idea of iconic characters, would you say Master Chief is an iconic character?
Doesnt almost everybody know the name at least?
Generic characters that equal guys with guns or a cast of colorful characters that use swords arm cannons and fist fight among other fighting styles.
>>345073236
Shiek and Zelda are NOTHING like each other. Both fight differently. Same with Samus and Zero Suit.
>>345073541
It was the game people were excited about coming out for the 3ds.
>>345073236
No, those were the reasons they were in the game.
And Shiek and Zelda? Clones? You fucking what? Fox and Falco and Ganondorf and Captain Falcon are more clones then anything.
>nintendrones still think they have iconic characters
angry birds and minecraft possess more public awareness than some shitty italian plumber
>>345058120
Their character's aren't as iconic as Mario, Link or Pikachu.
That's Sony's problem, they have like 10 mascots
>>345075038
Mario was at one point, more popular then Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny.
So many people don't seem to appreciate just how carefully thought out Smash's and meticulously crafted mechanics are. So much about the game only works because each of the mechanics support each other.
