>it's just a copy!
>the developers are rich already, they won't care!
>I may buy it if I like it!
No matter what excuse you come up with pirate, you're wrong. It's fucking wrong and illegal to obtain games the way you do. You should support the developers. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Incoming more sad sorry excuses to attempt to justify piracy.
>>345037401
fuck you
The thing I don't understand is, if it's a crime, why do I never hear about the law being enforced? Can't the government shut down the sites that host piracy downloads?
>>345037491
Great response.
>>345037401
>support EA!
lel
How 'bout there's literally no other way to obtain it?
>>345037592
I think it's a grey zone because the sites are just a medium for P2P interactions. They're probably also hosted from some lawless hellscape that civilized police forces don't bother with.
>>345037694
almost every single piratefag has claimed the new nintendo system coming out is worthless because they can pirate it. What about those of us that don't want to steal?
Try and stop me son
I dunno. Why should I support huge corps?
From other hand, it's fun to back indiecucks.
>>345037401
How aboutyou fucking deal with it pussyboy
Some post the magical bike cloner
>>345037645
FUCK YOU
>>345037401
There's no need to justify it, it can't be prevented
>>345037401
DELETE THIS I WANT MY FREE GAMES REEEEEEEEEE
>>345037401
Stay mad
>>345037810
What about those games that aren't on the plug'n'play system?
there is no excuse for piracy.
I do not want to pay for video games. So I don't.
Piracy is great, I love free shit, I don't have any moral issue with piracy but even if I did I'd probably still cross that personal moral line, just because I love free shit.
>>345037401
>the developers are rich already, they won't care!
I hear this used to defend music piracy a lot, but does anyone really think it's true for video games? Aside from the rare indie mega-success, are there any developers who actually make a good amount of money?
>>345037401
I wonder how many moralfags would drop dead if breathing was suddenly made illegal.
Guys, let's be honest with OP.
>>345037401
We don't give a shit that it's illegal.
That's right goy! You tell em!
Piracy is easy to do and easy to get away with.
I wish it were just as easy to steal food and hardware and everything else, I'd live like a king for free and laugh about it.
>>345037401
I can justify it, but you are so deluded and angry that you won't actually consider the point. You just don't do it. You can't consider the possibility that you could be wrong. You're like a woman. You thought it, you felt it, it is now correct and anything saying otherwise is BAD and WRONG and OFFENSIVE.
That's exactly how you guys act, you act like females.
>>345037401
It's just a copy, the developers are rich so they won't care, I may buy it if I like it
>>345038616
>"I can justify it"
>Never does
Typical piratefag.
>>345037401
>I just pirated 15 games I will never play because of you
Just try and fucking stop me
>>345037401
>>it's just a copy!
>>345037895
fuck off Dante
>>345038750
I'm not going to bother replying with my ready to go response I have saved in a notepad, because you'll just disregard it for some stupid reason like "I read it before" or "it's too hard to understand so it's wrong"
This has always been my philosophy:
If I ever get my game out to the world, I don't care if people pirate it. Hell, I'll even give out free steam codes if people want them.
Pirating ym product tells me one thing, People are interested. Whether or not they actually keep it or like it in the end is irrelevant. If they do end up liking it, theyll likely support iy and buy a copy, or they'll tell their friends who will buy copies.
Whining about someone pirating your shit just makes you look like a big baby, its gonna happen, you might as well make a positive outlook about it.
>>345037401
>implying I give a fuck about their sales
>>345037401
pirate it, and if you like it, buy it.
problem solved
On shitty games like Bioshock Infinite I pirated it about 30 times and deleted it every time just so they lost more money
>Produce something that can be reproduced infinitely at basically zero cost
>Complain when people reproduce that thing
I don't condone piracy - even though I do it myself and never pay for anything I can pirate - but I question the honesty (or capacity for rational thought) of anyone who willingly goes the into software or media industries and then opposes piracy like it's some shocking moral offence rather than the known constant fact of life it actually is. Kind of like making a baby then complaining about getting shit on your fingers changing diapers.
>>345038875
>continues to deflect
lol
>>345037401
Try before buy. The demo could bullshit you, the internet could lie to you and the reviewers are paid. The only law I trust is me, fuck you for killing this industry.
If I want to play a second time, I pay. But other wise, I'm not wasting money to some kike for a video game.
I can't justify it in the slightest but I'm still gonna do it because there's fuck all you can do about it.
>>345038906
>Whining about someone pirating your shit just makes you look like a big baby, its gonna happen, you might as well make a positive outlook about it.
this absolutely, plus your stuffcan reach places where people might not be able to access it the legitimate way for whatever reason.
>>345037401
Moi niqqa I'm just trying to live a happy life, I can barely afford to keep a roof above my head and I'm working 3 jobs on weekly basis.
I just wanted to be like everyone else, playing vidya and enjoying the time I have left on this gay earth.
But no I'm forever cursed.
With game prices so high and no demos being release i don't want to save up loads of money and waste it on a shit game (destiny got me with this)
I might as well give up gaming altogether knowing there is not a single while worthy game is being developed past 2010.
>>345037401
I'd like to pirate, if it weren't for my shitty internet.
>>345038906
ye, the thought alone of waking up and seeing something I made on a popular torrent tracker gives me huge chills. That's like the best shit ever
>>345037401
>i can get shit for free with no negative consequences
that's all the justification i need
>>345038410
MLP picture
>>345038994
>nobody is allowed to complain about anything ever
You are fucking retarded.
>I dont want to give a shitty company more $$
>I owned the disc years ago/as a kid and dont want to buy another
>theres no demo to test gfx optimization and gameplay
>private server and they stopped making CDs for it awhile ago(ie SWG, everquest)
all reasons I pirate, not excuses just reasons
OP here. Not a SINGLE fucking excuse. You guys are KILLING the industry we love. You should be fucking ashamed and CEASE immediately.
>>345037401
Doesn't feel wrong to me nigga, I'm getting free shit and I haven't come across the game dev living under a bridge.
>>345037401
>supporting developers who cut up games to sell story content as DLC
You're a silly one, anon
You shouldn't bend over and take it up the ass, that's gay faggotry
You should bend them over and fuck them up the ass, that's gay machismo
>>345039591
How 'bout >>345037694 and >>345038065?
>>345039591
it's killing itself though
I have a moral offset system where I pirate everything I want and donate a few thousand pounds to charities each year.
I don't believe piracy causes financial woes to individuals, but assuming for the sake of argument it does, I have no problem with a few developers having a few hungry weeks thanks to my money going to help prevent starvation in the third world, I have no problem with a few developers being stuck in cubicles for longer than is comfortable if my money helps free slaves and political prisoners, I have no problem with a few developers going without flu medication if my money helps cure disease.
I don't care. Fuck other people desu.
>Don't buy game, don't play it
>Nothing happens
>Don't buy game, play it
>Suddenly you're evil
I don't get it. Is fun immoral?
>Buy game on one platform
>Industry experts me to pay $60-$120 to get it on the rest of my systems
This is why piracy happens. I'm fine paying $60 for Doom or whatever but fuck you if you expect me to pay double the price just to also play it on my PC.
Imagine if when you bought a DVD you could only use it on one brand of DVD player. Wouldn't that be fucking retarded? Yet somehow it's normal for games.
>>345039541
I'm just saying, when you get baby shit on your fingers from changing the diaper of a baby you chose to look after, don't act like someone just kicked your front door down, jumped on your dining table, and shat in your cereal.
>>345039591
>industry we love
I pirated a game. What are you gonna do about it, faggot? Cry? Are you gonna cry now?
Gets arrested for piracy is a plus if anything
>low security prison, so not murderers like Jamal there to rape your ass
>week to a month of free living with few restrictions
>no company gives a shit if you got a criminal record for piracy unless it's strict government work or kids
>>345039851
people still pirate music and dvds and those are playable across all kinds of media players so if anything thatd just make it easier to pirate console games
I pirate games and then buy the ones I want for a few dollars on steam to save the industry
>>345040175
Fucking leechers.
>>345040096
That doesn't make it less retarded. I'm sure a huge chunk of game pirates are people who already own the game wanting to play it on another platform.
>>345038212
Well it's hard to quantify exactly how many dollars a developer loses from piracy just because there is no way to track the amount of pirates there are playing the game, nor would anything like that be conclusive because they can just be playing a pirated copy when otherwise supporting
>>345039654
The problem is the game market tends to be so anti-consumer.
Example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7EI9YCsuBQ&spfreload=10
http://www.polygon.com/2015/10/1/9431791/deus-ex-mankind-divided-augment-pre-order-canceled
>Those who wanted to circumvent the Kickstarter-esque system from the beginning could instead buy the $139.99 Collector's Edition of the game.
It got canceled but it's actually kind of frightening how close it came to actually being released like this.
Honestly I don't see piracy as a problem. It's a symptom of poor customer service.
>>345039787
>>345039813
I agree with you guys
>>345037401
I can spend money on more important things than things that I can get for free.Besides people like you are still funding the companies OP I just wanna play the games,but I don't have the money for em, if you do keep the money coming all I can give the devs is a "thanks". :)
Also support
>EA
>Ubisoft
come on....
>>345039787
>this huge false dilemma for your own smug self-assuredness
you sound insufferable
>>345039813
you're an idiot
why do you care OP?
>Suporting honest to good indie devs
Certainly, anything I can do to help this great looking game.
>supporting EA/Bethesda/any big name company
Fuck the hell off your shit is getting pirated and you will choke on it Todd.
While piracy is probably wrong morally, the kneejerk anti-consumer behavior that publishers take to monitor your purchasing beh-I mean protect their precious games- is way overboard.
>>345037401
>Dev developes the game not even to half level
>Dev tries to sell that unfinished project in name of early access or season pass or something edition
>Dev doesn't release any demo instead sells 'not so game' with fantasy amount of money
>Dev gets fed with money they gathered from kids and retards who are well tamed by game selling platforms
>Dev stops developing
>Dev keeps people busy with stupid written updates and promises
>pirate the game as its the only way left to decide buy or not
>get condemned by zombies
>>345037401
>year of our lord MMXVI
>still getting this triggered by piracy
It's honestly sad
pic related is what I'm currently seeding
who else here /private tracker/?
>>345037401
>>345039591
I've pirated stuff before and bought stuff before. So what?
Your "Industry" has been reduced to the really big guys who only care about getting your money and then getting it again via DLC. Hell, now it's downright better to wait a year or so for the eventual GOTY edition that includes everything, including the finished game cause day 1 patches have become the norm now.
I don't care about your little bait morality crusade, but at least have the common decency to admit the people making your games now have to have jew interests at the core or they're out, replaced by another drone who will include the microtransactions the publisher wants and wont bitch as much "ause this is his big break" with dreams of sitting next to Kojima at a game design panel and being interviewed by a bunch of bloggers.
>>345040467
Why do you think that? Do you picture me going around in real life talking about how great I am for giving money to charity and verbally attacking people for spending money on games (or clothes or phones or whatever) when they could be giving their money to a good cause? I've never actually told anyone in real life about my donations, it's really nothing more to me than a few clicks on a few webpages once a year, as opposed to some sort of quest or identity. I only mention it here because I am anonymous and because I want to point out that 'supporting the developers' is a bullshit argument.
Eh, instead of pirating games like D44M, MGSV:PP, JC3, or Inside, I just buy them from the cheapest sketchy key reseller. If I was willing to illegally download your game, I also have no qualms about buying from people who may be defrauding you.
Is this better or worse than me pirating?
>>345038201
Exactly this, it's fucking there isn't it?
>>345037401
>What the fuck is wrong with you?
I don't have money and I want the industry to die
>>345040703
>its sad to get triggered by piracy
>>345037401
>Buying Fallout 4
Piracy is a thing for a reason
>>345037810
>What about those of us that don't want to steal?
THEN DON'T FUCKING STEAL WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE
if its a nintendo game, I go out of my way to find an import seller in japan who is selling the English version, just so I can pay them in Yen and not pay NoA a cent for their debauchery.
>>345040843
Morally it's the same, financially it's pointless.
All these poorfags and people saying that the only way for them to play these games is to pirate them. Don't want to be political but kind of the same thing that is killing the american economy and class system. You can't afford to play the game? Some guy worked very hard to make it whether you like it or not. Get a better job to afford it. Better yet if you say its not worth the price, don't buy it and make your own game. In my free time I have learned how to do 3-D character modelling, animation, and simple game engine manipulation. Probably took me 40 hours max. That's one week of work for people and if you are unemployed or sitting on your ass I implore you to stop complaining and stealing shit.
>>345040874
>I like video games
>I want the industry to die
???
>>345039009
You've pulled the same stunts every single time. You get a proper response, and you ignore the content. I'm not falling for it any more. There is no good reason to purchase a video game.
>>345039591
>industry we love
>probably pays for Seam which is fucking it up
>>345040898
Damn boy you running on that hit&run pro
pic related is mine
>mfw trying to contend with seedboxes
just fuck my shit up senpai
What if I want this shitty nu-male cuck hipster faggot feminist infested industry backed by the worst kind of faggot tranny "journalists" to go down in flames and locked into a septic tank? I pirate everything and ignore the stuff locked with uncrackable drm.
>he cares about the developers
>>>/reddit/
>>345040810
Because you felt the need to compare it to your otherwise theoretically immoral activity of pirating games since you happen to not care about developers but care about "third world starving kids" when there was never a dilemma between the two in the first place. If you happened to support developers of video games, you would still be able to support your fucking african babies, but the truth of the matter is you're not as rich as you think you are, otherwise you could afford to do so. So go fuck yourself
>>345040990
Those people get paid whether the game sells or not. They're not going to put in so much effort and work for "i promise this will sell"
>>345040990
>My name is Anon and I hate every single one of you
>Stealing
If you ask me for 30 bucks to look at a painting hanged on your wall and I look at it without coughing up, did you lose anything?
>>345037592
That's because it's not a crime, law enforcement doesn't classify piracy as a crime, it's just something companies tell people in order to scare them into not sharing.
>>345038212
Code monkeys get paid salary and if i'm debating whether or not to pirate a game I probably already don't care about that dev in regards to them living or dying.
>>345040676
/THREAD
>>345038906
>If I ever get my game out to the world, I don't care if people pirate it. Hell, I'll even give out free steam codes if people want them.
Here is the thing.
IF.
I used to think shit like this to, even while I was learning to code and model on whatever tools I could get my hands on as a kid.
Then I grew up. I've worked on some games. My most notable was a bankrolled "indie" game. I've got bills to pay, and a wife and kid to support. Pie in the sky ideas about giving away your work for free doesn't pan out when you realize that life costs money and you've got to make a living.
I'm not going to say something stupid like "YOU'RE TAKING FOOD OFF MY PLATE", because it's not like I'm losing money if you pirate it. But do the right thing and pay me for the time, effort and energy I put into this shit.
>>345039591
>YOu're KILLING THE INDSTRY
How? I buy Ps3-wii titles off ebay sellers. How does this "kill the industry"?
>PS4-Wii-U-Steam
Lol i dont buy that garbage.
>>345041009
I like video games, but the current industry is too sick to continue in its current state. The system needs to crash and be rebuilt. Trotskyist game development ideology FTW.
>>345037401
fuck you faggot I'm going to pirate shit if I want a demo or I'm going to pirate shit if I don't want to give money to the devs/publishers for fucking me over in the past
I only pirate old-ass games that aren't available anymore. Other than that you can't really justify piracy beyond "I'm lazy and want free shit", which itself isn't a good excuse. If you're interested in a game, why not look up gameplay footage to help you decide instead of pirating the whole game which you might end up deleting anyway?
>>345037401
What if the company is over and finished? Like Nintendo?
>Piratefags
This is all of you trying to justify your illegal behavior. You should cease immediately. As soon as someone calls you out on your horrid behavior, you all come running and crying, attempting to justify it.
I support pirating a game to try it out. If you like it, buy it.
A lot of companies are doing away with demos or giving chances for people to play it.
We need to bring back heavier beta testing, better QA, better quality control and better focus testing. If people think your game is shit, don't make games like that.
People shouldn't have to make a $60 drop on an unfinished, not fun turd and find out its that way.
Pirate games to try them out if the developers don't want to do demos or betas anymore.
>>345041185
and its working for OP
>>345041180
yeah, 30 bucks. Pay up asshole. Or chads going to call the police.
>>345041316
Naw, fuck you. The painting's rad by the way.
>>345037401
I am a pirate.
I copy from the rich(publishers) and give to the poor(me).
pirating saved me from buying shitty games
>>345037401
As long as developers keep selling unfinished games for full price I'll keep being justified in pirating them.
>tfw almost bought fallout 4
>mfw don't even have a face
The only games worth buying are indie games where the devs aren't going to inherently make bank by shitting out a turd. I can also understand supporting devs you like. I like CDPR and have since TW1 so I always buy their shit, even though it's AAA now. If they become shit in the future, I will revise that.
I pirate because the game industry is full of garbage that doesn't deserve money and the only way to change anything is with your wallet.
http://www.nesconsole.com/
You can stop pirating now.
>>345041180
You aren't taking the painting home though anon. A free demo is what you are trying to say.
>>345041364
>I copy from the rich(publishers) and give to the poor(me).
Correction.
>I STEAL from the rich(publishers), make shitty excuses to justify it, and give to the GREEDY(me).
what if i don't give a fuck?
>>345041404
No, why would I want the painting? I want to see it and nothing else, might as well take a picture.
Taking the painting home would be like taking the developer home.
>>345041447
>steal
But you're not taking anything away from them.
>>345041347
Chad's dialing 911. Last chance. You don't want to fuck with chad man, pay up.
I pirate because I'm poor. Not a justification but its the truth and I don't care. If I had loads of money I'd probably pay for most games but even if I had -enough- money I'd still only pay for multiplayer games or games I had tons of fun in and want more of. I don't feel bad about it either, I don't care the big corporations or the "little guy" who made x game doesn't get my money he's getting paid regardless. Disclaimer: I don't buy,play or pirate indie games.
>>345037401
Don't give a fuck. I will pirate no matter what. I don't have money to buy all the shit i want to play.
Piracy is a consumer problem
>>345041095
Want the best part?
None of this is porn.
30% movies/tv shows
60% /v/dya
10% programs
The only thing I've payed for are some movies and games >10$
Sorry /v/ games are just too expensive for me,some movies and tv shows aren't featured in my country and honestly...who buys programs?
>>345041530
if you want to see a game and nothing else for free then I think Pewdiepie has a solution for you. You are very delusional and should look inward. Stop justifying theft.
>>345037401
its just copyright infringement
stop making it a big deal
>>345041121
>>345041125
>>345037401
No excuses. OP is a faggot as always. Kill yourself.
I don't pirate. I emulate. I have never pirated anything within a 5 year barrier. Anything I "Pirate has been from 2007-1981
I don't believe in blindly robbing people of games that are still on the market.
>>345041316
His analogy sucks, instead of a painting on the wall, you would be paying for entrance to the art museum. A pirate would sneak in, not paying for it, getting the experience of looking at and enjoying the paintings and leaving.
Because gaming is a media of soaking up enjoyments through different experiences, its not having a copy of a famous painting on a wall that you had printed for you. Half of the experience of being in an art museum is the experience itself and different variety of works on display, etc.
Not paying for the ticket still nets you the full experience, but the museum itself loses out on the money, which usually goes to securing new art and paying its employees.
>>345041217
it's always funny that toddlers that moved out of their parents house think that's the point where they "grew up"
they now know everything about the world, and are going to tell you that you know less, because they've seen it all
>>345041149
Well, I don't think I'm rich, I know for a fact I'm not, but just to clarify my original post, I wasn't saying 'my money is better off helping group A rather than group B so piracy is okay.' I was saying 'I pirate the shit out of everything and it seems very likely that any possible harm cause by my piracy is offset by my donations.'
Also, it's irrelevant whether I could afford to do both or not. Surely, if I had more money, the morally correct thing to do would be donate more to charity, rather than spending some of it on entertainment I can get for free.
>>345041692
No, that would be like having someone tell me what the painting looks like.
Is this a game dev or a post-purchase rationalization?
>>345041574
You're taking away from their well earned money from developing that game you'll probably call shit anyway. You think games just magically appear? People put thousands of hours into it.
So, what I'm hearing here is you all want big devs to die and all games to be indy pixelshit.
>>345037401
How about you deal with it
>>345041285
Anyone have a counter argument to this? I'm genuinely curious .
>>345041812
lol
so morality boils down to what you personally think is ok
>>345037401
No company that does DLC should get any sales at all.
>>345040880
but i liked fallout 4 and enjoyed it
>>345037401
Hey OP, you forgot
>I don't give a fuck
>having to justify
I just pirate video games and if I like them I like them
I won't pay for it, I don't care if the company I pirated lost a sell. It only has allowed me to discover more franchises that I would've otherwise never found out about.
>>345037401
piracy isn't a crime
>>345041825
My copy magically appeared after a few hours.
Maybe if they put some of those thousands of hours into actually finishing the game then I'd buy it.
>>345041747
Thing is I might as well not go in there and the museum would have the same amount of money. So why would I pay?
>>345041819
Enjoy your mom's basement I really don't feel like talking to you anymore.
There is no real excuse for pirating, why won't you fags just admit that? You're just as bad as potheads who won't admit that they just want to smoke weed, but make up bullshit excuses for what it could be used for and how it could help the sick, and the fucking paper companies.
Seriously, just admit it that you don't want to pay for games, how hard is that?
>>345041920
Tell that to the DOJ.
>>345041889
>morality boils down to what you personally think is ok
Yeah, exactly.
>>345041632
>None of this is porn
>mfw those 1tb porn packs
wew lad
out of my 16 torrents seeding only 1 is vidya, the rest is tv and movies
>>345042053
Because it's not completely true?
I'd like it if companies actually made quality games that deserved to be bought, but that's not going to happen.
>>345041217
Must've been a pretty shit game. Go make the next undertale.
>>345042053
That's what we've been saying for the whole thread nigga. Also what's wrong with being a pothead?
>>345042053
I don't want to pay for games.
It's easy to admit.
>>345041879
>>345041285
As great an idea as it would be to have demos and such I feel like with how the industry is today it would just lead to the early portions of the game or whatever was demo'd being good or what is expected and then the unseen parts the quality we get today.
>>345042095
anon I'm a pirate too but you just sound like an entitled pirating faggot with a savior complex
>>345042120
>mfw those 1tb porn packs
I will NEVER understand how anyone can have more then 5 images of porn and not get sick of it, let alone 2 fucking Terrabytes worth
Don't you get bored of it? Just go to /e/ /s/ /h/ if you want a quickie. no point in stockpiling that stuff.
>>345041825
I personally do not pirate games but I will never understand this argument. You are not taking away money, that suggests that there are only 2 possible outcomes. Buying the game or Pirating it but 9 times out of 10 the real outcomes are pirate the game or do not bother with it because they cant afford it, it is an unfortunate lose-lose for the devs but it is one that will likely not go away.
>>345041970
Are you arguing that even if you did pirate or not the developer still has the same amount of money?
Every single penny actually goes somewhere, when distributors buy games from the company, every part of that sale goes back into recouperating for paying the art designer, the sound designer, the concept artist, the QA team, the producers, the developers, the team leads, fuck the god damn janitor who comes in and empties the trash.
So no, the company does not have the same amount of money if you did or didn't pirate the game. The sales are tracked and used for statistical tracking.
Stop justifying your shitty behavior, you just want free shit, admit it.
>>345042080
Nope, according to the US penal code, piracy is not theft, and it's not penalized under current laws.
Copyright infringement is a civil offense, but is also not a crime.
>>345042053
Not even a pothead, but there are more substantive arguments to make in the debate than dude weed and if I were arguing it's benefits, why would I dwell on my personal use in trying to convince someone, when I could use things they'd be interested in seeing happen?
I've kinda' grown out of piracy. If you aren't going to spend money on a hobby that's the most fun thing in your life, what ARE you going to spend money on?
I also feel I get a more direct influence in showing developers what games I want to see more of now.
Lastly it also kinda' feels good. Especially when it's some indie game or some dead genre.
>>345042053
Most of the time it's because I am unsure whether I think the value of the game is worth it.
Being forced to pay up 60 bucks for a mediocre single player game really is bad.
So yeah, most of the time I just don't want to pay for it.
But usually I purchase my games for the multiplayer properties or if I think the game will be worth it in that respect, or if it drops drastically in price.
>>345042398
>So no, the company does not have the same amount of money if you did or didn't pirate the game.
>don't buy or pirate the game, company gets $0 from me
>pirate the game, company gets $0 from me
>>345042361
That's not always true though. Most pirates literally don't buy a single game. So they are pirating and playing to completion 5 games a year (just an example). Maybe if they couldn't pirate they would save up $60 and at least $60 would go to one of those games every year.
>>345037401
Mad denuvo cuck that their fucking anti consumer DRM got cracked. I haven't pirated shit since 2000 but I'm glad you cant fucking overlord your bullshit over peoples heads and start shit anymore.
I hope the shit rotten fucking overmarketed crap piles your shitty DRM defended gets pirated to hell and back and they make no sales because people find out how bad they are.
>>345042398
No he's saying if I dont have the money to buy the game, they wouldnt get the sale anyway. Either way they're not getting money from me for the game.
>>345042175
Nothings wrong with weed, just admit it if you want to smoke it. People use bullshit excuses to try and justify legal weed. I think its waste of time for us to criminalize it and yadda yadda but I dont smoke myself.
People just need to stop justifying their moronic behavior
>>345042351
My porn collecting friend says it's about having the good stuff to satisfy when you want to go back to that perfect girl or that cumshot of kinography.
>>345042398
Dude, I'm going to say it slowly so you get it. If I don't pay for the game nor do I play it, does the developer lose money? If the answer is yes, how? If it's no, how does me playing a game make them lose money?
I never pirate good games.
As you can imagine, I pirate most of my games nowadays.
>>345042151
Then don't buy games from unreliable companies?
>>345042156
Actually, our game did pretty well. I'm not exactly hurting for job opportunities either.
>>345042535
>what ARE you going to spend money on
other hobbies you can't pirate...yet
>>345042617
>>345042617
They're not going to listen to reason anon, they're paid to be here and defend a product. This is the reason this thread was started. Just sage your posts in these threads from now on so they don't bump. It might not put the threads into the no-bump mode anymore, but you're not contributing to their shill money.
>>345042729
name?
>>345037401
>Electronically manipulating the memory cells of my drive is wrong
Fuck off
>>345042617
Opportunity cost. If you had to pay for it there is a chance you would suck it up and buy it. They lose nothing with you pirating it but they lose a potential sale
>>345042721
I don't, I pirate them.
>>345042718
Basically this.
It's not an excuse. If you're buying games like Fallout 4, you're far worse than the pirates.
>>345037401
Pirates consume the most content legally I.e. paying for it. In other words they are the guys that also buy the most shit.
How do you get them to stop without pissing them off?
I guess you could release good, quality content.
>>345042543
Then why do you care? The argument is moot, because you don't care about the company or its games. And you're not doing anything illegal?
>>345037401
At least when the Pirates realize that video games are only fun for kids and manchildren they don't feel bad for wasting so much money on an autistic hobby.
>>345042323
Perhaps I am. I can live with that though. I still believe it's morally better to donate to a reputable charity than to purchase an entertainment product.
>>345037401
>Justification
Fuck off faggot.
>>345042586
It's all about how fickle the human mind is. We desperately crave variety. No matter how much we've already collected there's the irresistible urge for the unknown. Then, once the memory fades away, we go back to some of those experiences.
>>345042862
With said chance being 0% in my case, what's the difference? Of course someone would suck up, it's just that I prefer my money to a program.
>>345042862
That's not how things work anon. Making up shit like that is just as bad as people who make up excuses to pirate.
>>345042738
But I'm a huge social fuck-up with no other hobbies.
I've thought of taking up fishing though.
>>345043016
Even microeconomics doesn't focus on an individual consumer. If even 5% of pirates would buy the game if they couldn't pirate it, that is a substantial amount of money
>>345042914
>release good, quality content
and pirates will just do the same as they do no matter what
>>345043179
I agree. Still, I don't see the jump from potential earnings to moral.
>>345043057
Have you taken an economic course in your life anon?
>>345042862
So you want blind sales for bad games, the truth comes out. This is why you're so adamant about dissolving the "try it before you buy it" mindset like its a bad thing.
Bad games dilute quality in the game industry, their simple existence is lazy, poorly designed, and unwarranting of money. If they should so happen to sell well (god forbid) other games follow their example by virtue of potential money.
Bad games deserve no money, if you want money make a good game targetted towards the actual crowd you're making the game for, not the widest potential audience. That dilutes the experience into crap, if you don't understand this you shouldn't be making games.
End of story.
>>345043278
How is there even a moral question in pirating? I thought the whole argument was getting stuff for free when you have no money. There is no moral ground to pirating. If you get something for free that through some means and the company that sells it asks for money for their product, then it is stealing.
>>345043089
You can be a social fuck up fisher, fantastic. There's also cooking, fishing, an instrument...
Many things to involve yourself with that demand cash.
>I'll just steal this dollar, everyone has dollars,
>the US government can always just print more.
>I mean it's only illegal if I get caught
>No one will miss that dollar
Am I doing it right piratefags?
>>345043443
Depends. Are you cloning an account or stealing bills from people's wallets?
>>345043057
But that is how it works?
>>345043443
Nope, you're just being retarded. On purpose possibly.
>>345043443
No, you're doing it wrong because you're equating copying something that exists in infinite amounts to stealing a physical, definite object. Nice try though.
Not to mention, one is illegal, the other isn't.
>>345037401
Fuck off
>>345037401
>it's fucking wrong and illegal to obtain games the way you do
Then it shouldn't be so easy to do.
>What the fuck is wrong with you?
I'm a sad lonely NEET.
>>345043443
Do you have a money printer? Does the dollar devaluate if you do?
>>345043648
I get it, the joke you made. pirating is illegal but the gov'ment can print money anytime
what a joker this one
>>345043443
Only if you don't use that stolen cash to buy videogames.
>>345043550
It wouldn't matter anyway, even if you clone an account, you're having an impact, however small, in the economy. Copying a game doesn't have that same impact because there's not a regulated amount of game copies available digitally.
>>345043440
Tomorrow, I buy a rod!
>>345043756
Wrong reply or retarded?
>>345037401
That's because in most cases it's not a crime, it's a civil infraction. If you were making copies of copyrighted material and then selling them, then it would be a crime.
If you think a game is shit and not worth a purchase, don't fucking play it.
If you enjoy a game, don't you think it's a shitty thing to do to stiff somebody when they did a good job?
>paying for media in 2016
nah, don't see the point. nor do i care about the impact on the industry, at most i play 2-3games a year that legit are worth any amount of money most is dog shit that doesn't stay installed more than a few days
if anything the onus is on non-pirate fags to justify and explain why anyone should spend 60dollars over and over on sub-standard products. your killing video games not pirates
>>345043773
No one cares, about you, your thread, your games, the company that hired you, or the legitimacy of purchases or pirating. You're not going to create a moral quandry in their head about whether they should pirate or not.
If you create a shit game, you dont deserve a sale for shitting up gaming even more. We care about the quality of videogames, a corporations money doesn't matter to us because the developers get paid to make games ahead of time, otherwise it'd be slave labor.
END OF STORY. END OF THESE THREADS.
GO AWAY AND STOP MAKING THESE THREADS.
>>345043920
meant for >>345037592
>>345043773
Surely the perceived impact that piracy has on the industry and thus the economy is also a real impact even if the perception itself is false. I mean, the existence of piracy has generated a lot of real economic activity, for example entire companies dedicated to DRM really only have a foothold thanks to the piracy boogeyman.
>>345038329
none, they probably pirate other things like music and other arguable morally bankrupt shit like listening to music on youtube or catching a stream of a videogame
>>345043954
>If you enjoy a game, don't you think it's a shitty thing to do to stiff somebody when they did a good job?
It's largely inconsequential. If they were going to end up living under a bridge because of me pirating the game then I'd just not play it, this is simply not the case.
>>345044016
I think you might be legitimately retarded, go back to reading comprehension.
>>345043954
Game might be shit. Want to play it to find out for myself.
Sometimes I'll enjoy a game, but not want to support the developer. Todd might think I want them to keep on keeping on with what they're doing to Fallout when they've turned my RPG into a shooter, when really I just want to get mad at what they fuck up and keep up with the world for lore reasons.
Okay, real talk.
Why is it okay to pirate a game? You are obtaining a free copy of a game, therefore getting rid of a potential sale from a developer.
I have pirated games myself, though I never justified it. In my head I can't wrap my head around some of the answers you guys throw out in this thread.
>Copy of a game infinite amount of times
No sale to the developer
>Developers too rich whatever
Money goes to pay workers, and the people who create the game
Like I don't understand it? Why does one need justification to pirate the game? It's a crime right? Just because you get away with it, doesn't negate that someone wasn't affected by it.
Like shoplifters who go on tumblr and prance off about their stolen items, that hurts the places they stole from, potential sales wise. How is it any different?
Most of this thread are just shills from both sides instigating attacks one each other. Where are the real answers?
>>345037401
Since developers no longer release demos and you don't always get into beta, there is no way to see what the game is and how it plays.
If I could I would pirate Mass Effect 3, I'd be able to see what a big pile of garbage it is before wasting money on it.
Same with Alien Colonial Marines, Dragon Age 2, Dark Souls 2, F3AR, Fallout 3 and 4 and so on. They're all garbage that don't deserve to be paid for.
>>345037401
Someone has to finance my videogames.
Glad ain't me. Keep fighting guys, I will continue play for free!
>>345039591
I don't give a single solitary shit. The "industry" died when it became an industry.
>>345044424
>It's a crime right?
It's not.
>>345044424
>Why is it okay to pirate a game?
i dont think anyone is claiming it's okay. i stopped reading there.
>>345044016
Do you buy good games then? Because the thread seems to be leaning on more people who pirate everything.
>>345042551
Pirates buy the most games. Get educated
>>345044424
>therefore getting rid of a potential sale from a developer.
This is wrong and many buy games they pirate.
Resubmit your argument.
>>345041401
but this is also piracy
>>345037401
>yfw i actually do buy it if i like it
Free market baby
pirate as much as you want, that's the free market at work
devs are trying to make a profit off a market where their product can be perfectly copied an infinite number of times with only a single sale, infinite supply so the price is free; 30 years ago you'd have been laughed out of every economics class in the world for bringing this up as a viable business strategy
And for good reason: The only way you can make it work is through enforcement of artificial scarcity, such as monopolizing force in order to punish people for copying your product, and taking control of people's computers away so they cannot copy your product. Essentially, selling software relies on egregious use of violence against the customer to prevent them from copying and sharing your product with all their friends.
I don't shed a single tear for a single developer. They know what they're getting into.
Additionally, these people have no moral compunctions not to visit violence against you, so they automatically lose the moral high ground thanks to moral symmetry; if they don't respect your moral values, you don't have any obligation to respect theirs either.
And really, they never had morals in the first place. They have some ethical rules that act as a guideline for fucking you out of as much money as possible via methods like advertising (brainwashing) and psychoanalysis. Just look at gambling as an example.
>>345037401
Deal with it.
>>345044501
But it is, you made a copy of a copyrighted work for personal use. It's not a jail-able crime, its a civil issue, you can be taken after for damages. That still falls under illegal
>>345043836
Hey man, half the fun is buying all those fucking lures that you'll never use.Kind of like buying games on Steam
>>345043245
Not true. Name a single good game that didn't make a profit?
>>345044590
A lot of people in the thread are literally saying they pirate everything and have excuses to why they do though.
>>345044821
You might want to look up the definition of illegal. You're right that it's a civil offense, but it's not illegal, and therefore not a crime.
>>345044880
Crysis devs whined and moaned and cried about rampant piracy of crysis
and yet the game was decent and sold something like 3 million copies, putting it in the top 20 best selling games of all time
>>345037652
Just don't play EA games you fucking wanker. The problem here is that you're playing there games.
>>345044728
>They know what they're getting into.
>If it happens to them they deserve it
>She/He got what they deserved for what they were wearing
Shitposting aside,
Isn't it why companies are trying to advance their DRM? Like Denuvo put a lot of pressure on crackers. Are the companies not justified for trying to protect their business?
>>345037491
Kek
>>345044931
meaningless anecdotal twaddle
>>345045038
civ·il law
noun
the system of law concerned with private relations between members of a community rather than criminal, military, or religious affairs.
>>345037401
>It's fucking wrong
So is spending your time on 4chan, your point?
I pirated for 18 years straight and moved to Steam for convenience, cloud, game records and achievements, still mad I didn't pirate Fallout 4 or HOMM VI as those money would be better used for wiping ass. Well and then you have games like Mass Effect 3 or Watch_Dogs that literally force spyware upon you, I will never buy those even if they're for one buck as long as they demand another layer of spyware. What? You don't like it? Then get mad, pop a vein and die, it's your discomfort, not mine.
>>345045314
That's my point exactly.
>>345044580
Source?
>>345041045
Give a fucking reason and stop cucking about you lying dickhead.
>>345044728
Holy shit that's deep. I agree with everything you have said anon.
>>345044931
It's awfully corporate of you to assume any of those were sales otherwise in the pocket of a publisher.
Stop being so presumptuous and entitled.
>>345037401
Wrong it may be, but a great deal of sales are made because piracy exists.
A pity video game publishers stopped making Demos, Denuvo games aren't selling particularly well because there's no way to try before you buy and piracy effectively fixed that problem.
Okay, what about this?
If companies claim piracy is really as big a problem as it is, are things like Denuvo and other big name DRM a given then?
Is it really wrong that developers want to make sure they get a sale?
I guess this doesn't make sense to me because I'm a business major, potential sales, opportunity costs, all of this just seems to right true in terms of arguments. I'm just trying to make sense of it as a lot of people seem to be pro-pirating
>>345045475
>>345044728
Samefag kys
>>345045452
https://www.google.com/#q=pirates+buy+the+most
The study people keep referring to in saying pirates buy more was regarding music. It's been bastardized into meaning all pirates.
