Anything else that should be added, /v/?
>Any Kingdom Hearts
>Better than Otogi
Funny kid.
>>344949508
>putting God of War that low
God of War inspired half of these game t b h
>>344949508
new furi game
>>344949508
>Bayo 2 above Bayo 1
>NMH2 above NMH1
Come on, man.
Vanilla NG3 and RE are different enough that RE should at least be in okay.
It's better than Lolipop Chainsaw.
Also add Oneechanbara to that list, it's certainly an Okay game.
>>344950571
>>Bayo 2 above Bayo 1
Agreed.
>4 cinematic experiences in the top tier
No sir, I don't like it.
>>344949508
>no okami
>no vanquish
>bayo 2 over bayo 1
>both KH in anything besides okay tier
>NHM in okay tier
Is this bait?
>>344949508/cgg/had Viewtiful Joe on their list of acceptable games to talk about.
No one ever played it though, but it kinda fits the criteria of "over the top game with enough depth and lots of freedom for gameplay".
>>344951068
nigga what?
>>344949508
>/v/'s official
*My official
>>344951068
I can get behind the two Platinum games, but for the rest, I'll consider your opinion as bait.
>>344951265
Fuck off, that's literally and factually MY list.
>>344951097
>Vanquish
>Character action
Are the Sigma games any different from the regular Ninja Gaiden games?
>ZoE
>Anarchy Reigns
>okay tier
>God of War 1-3
>Fuck You tier
Please try to keep your biases out of these tier lists.
>>344950651
Oneechanbara is that game I would like to play at some time, but I always have something more interesting to play or to do when I remember that it exists.
I've read that it is pretty fun, but I also get the impression that people only like it because of the animu tits.
>>344949508
With a list this shitty, no wonder this genre is dead, except for God of War which was smart enough to evolve away from this awful game style.
>>344950571
>bayo 2 above bayo 1
yes, in pretty much almost every way
>nmh2 above 1
yes in every way except charm
![VST8 Traditional - Alps [YT-f43][kkGaiBvZHu8].dur1.webm](https://i.imgur.com/6qYFBUP.jpg "VST8 Traditional - Alps [YT-f43][kkGaiBvZHu8].dur1.webm")
is this gonna be /cgg/ replacement?
this bait milkshake sure seems to attract all the boys on /v/
>>344949508
>bayo 2 over bayo 1
No.
The forced witch time on top of annoying boss design brings it way the fuck down, not to mention umbran climax eclipsing executions in almost every single way
The only thing it has over Bayo 1 is no fatal QTEs, but that's only a downside for the first playthrough
>>344951679
new gow is literally tomb raider(2013)
>Bayo 2 above 1
>MGR above anything
>DMC4 above DMC
>Kingdom Fucking Hearts at all
Also GoW gets a bad rap just for the ebin press square to finish move. They all belong in OK tier, maybe even put 2 in good tier.
DmC DE belongs in at least okay tier
Anrachy Reings belongs in the trash
Ninjga Gaiden Razors Edge goes in okay tier
>>344950651
>2 hours long
And I paid $30 for this
>>344951521
Generally easier, more content the blood was sensored for Sigma 2 for some retarded ass reason.
If you've never played them, and don't have an Xbox, than they'll be fine.
>>344951575
The anime tiddie is nice, but the game is legit fun. Cool combinations are fairly tricky and rewarding.
>>344951521
Yes
>>344951738
Man, I should have saved the OP.
It had some good stuff written in it.
>>344950296
Doesn't mean the series isn't shit
>>344951905
I know that the "DMC1 is the best game ever!" meme is strong. But despite its short content, DMC4 is still a god-tier game if you are willing to invest more than one playthrough in it.
>>344951908
I've gotten way more play time than that. This whole genere is built on replayability.
>>344951785
No fatal QTE's is never a bad thing.
>>344950812
>>344951689
2 is only better if you only played through both games once (which is playing them wrong). 100% both and you will see 1 is better.
>>344951442
what is it then?
>>344949508
>Ninja Gaiden 3 on par with Yaiba
Shit man at least put Ninja Gaiden 3 one tier above Yaiba. It's not THAT bad.
>>344952247
It's a third person shooter. Are you for real nigga?
![VST8 Traditional_ Bayonetta [YT-f43][AfZrLMHuY4o].dur1.webm](https://i.imgur.com/zq1VQyv.jpg "VST8 Traditional_ Bayonetta [YT-f43][AfZrLMHuY4o].dur1.webm")
>>344951978
it's still there on archives and google images
OP's pic is much better at triggering passer-by anons and attracting attention
>>344949508
-Wonderful 101 should be in Good tier
-all Kingdom Heart games should be in shit
-MGR should be in okay tier
-Dante's Inferno should be moved to Good tier
-GoW should be moved to Okay
-Bayo 2 should be in great tier
-new category: God Tier
-DMC 3 and God Hand moved to God Tier
>>344952150
For me Bayo 1 and 2 stand on equal ground because of such things.
They're great games, but they're not as good as some people make them out to be.
>>344952569
>leaving NGB, the GOATest of GOATs out of God tier
I'm a massive fan of pretty much everything on the top two tiers, but couldn't really get into W101. Played a couple of levels, and didn't really 'get' it. Does it get any better later on, or am I just bad?
>>344952697
the camera ruin the game from being god tier
>>344952414
https://yuki.la/vg/143357001
>CUHRAYZEE TIPS, TECHNIQUES, AND MODS
http://pastebin.com/Pzmmx36v
Welp, that was easy.Seeing it again makes me glad that I bothered to compile all that info in one pastebin before the place died.
>>344952875
SHUT UP FAGGOT YOU ACT LIKE DMC3 AND GOD HAND DONT AHVE THEIR SHARE OF CAMERA ISSUES AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>344953018
yea but it's not as bad as NG:B
if anything, an almost there tier and put only NG:B there
>>344953234
say your prayers kiddo
>>344952150
>>344952610
but fatal QTEs are only a bad thing for the first playthrough, once you do them one time you'll never have a problem with them again
>>344952143
it's good
it's a solid game and I enjoyed doing the playthroughs I did, but it just feels more lifeless compared to 1 or 3 despite having one of the best combat systems in the series
I would put it equal to DMC but not better, imo
>>344953438
Nigger, I'm not gonna memorize that I have to press X, then Y, then X and jump in a specific area of an specific verse.
Besides. These games should reward skill above all else, and memorizing QTEs is not skill.
>>344952875
>the camera ruin the game from being god tier
Entirety of camera control in Ninja Gaiden is literally just pressing right trigger once in a while -- to reorient it.
DO NOT TOUCH RIGHT STICK
After people bitched about "broken" camera in vanilla NG enough Itagaki added a mode in NGB where right stick actually controls camera like in DMC instead of switching to first-person look.
I think he almost did as a joke, because it's so slow it's completely useless.
Just press right trigger seriously.
![VST8 Traditional - Urser [YT-f43][bQU6VHij4vQ].dur2.webm](https://i.imgur.com/3PKTNmH.jpg "VST8 Traditional - Urser [YT-f43][bQU6VHij4vQ].dur2.webm")
>>344954015
>Nigger, I'm not gonna memorize that I have to press X, then Y, then X and jump in a specific area of an specific verse
Game telegraphs you exactly which button you need to press a second in advance before button prompt even appears and when it appears you have two seconds to press it.
Colour of the semi-transparent circle that homes in on the button prompt corresponds to button colour on the controller.
That same circle also helps with the timing because you need to press the button sometime around the time circle touches UI button
Where does Senran Kagura fit in?
>>344954498
well, since those shitty grasshopper games are considered okay, I'd say SK fits there too
>>344954498
In the "you'd be better off opening a tab in sadpanda-tier"
>>344954498
it's kinda there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwvh7OaGMME
but the interest is just not there
>Kingdom Hearts
what the literal fuck
>>344949508
GoW is between good and great tier
>>344953786
This is pretty much what I think.
DMC4 has amazing gameplay with tons of stuff to practice and is a game that I can always revisit and have a blast with.
DMC1 is also pretty enjoyable, it has a good production value, inspiration, style and love put into it. Which makes it a remarkable game, but its core gameplay is not as good as what newer games pulled off.
>>344955246
More like okay tier
>>344951175
/cgg/
>No one ever played VJ
The fuck is wrong with those people?
>DMC3 above DMC4
nani
>>344955683
Well, I'm sure they did at some point.
But no one ever felt compelled to have in-depth discussions about its gameplay mechanics, nor to make webms, or cool combo videos.
>>344954498
Senran Kagura 2 is legitimately in okay tier. The rest, that depends on how kind people want to be.
![silvia vj2 VSTV_Traditional_Pops_[YT-f43][n7xwe5Tm_L4].dur.webm](https://i.imgur.com/6trFzJ8.jpg "silvia vj2 VSTV_Traditional_Pops_[YT-f43][n7xwe5Tm_L4].dur.webm")
>>344955938
VJ is hard as a game and kinda hard conceptually to wrap your head around because despite immediately following DMC1 it shares very little with it. And in fact with any other Kamiya's games. It's still his only 2d game.
Only Pops did videos for it, but i guess even he gave up eventually
>>344949508
Dante's Inferno was a great game
>>344949508
Where does Nightshade go?
>>344949508
>Character Action
I see we've made up another nonsense """genre"""
Keep it up and we'll soon rival /mu/ for ridiculous subcategorization
>>344952165
i 100% both bayo 2 is better
>>344954498
Okay tier
They're certainly not bad games,they'refunat times, but they're nothing special when it comes to gameplay
>>344949508
>Shinobi not in at least Great
List invalidated
>>344956615
Character action is not a new thing by any means.
>>344952165
Bayo 1 is harder and more technical. Bayo 2 is morefun.
>>344950296
Bad games can inspire better games
>>344949508
>kingdom FUCKING hearts
I always suspected CUHRAYZAYfags were just what autistic deviantartlets evolved into at the end of their awkward puberty. Nice to see it confirmed.
>>344956615
The term is like 2 years old or something.
I don't fully support it, but the only new thing here is you.
>>344956705
Sure
Mario has been performing Character Actions such as jumping, coin collecting and shooting fire for decades, mario is my favorite Character Action Game
>>344956760
And Multiplayer Online Battle Arena is older than that
Doesn't make it not a nonsense term with no semantic value used exclusively by clinical retards
>>344956440
I enjoyed it, but i dont think it has a huge amount of depth to the combat.
Once you get that divine armor holy spell or whatever, there's like no way you can die.
>>344956749
Not an argument.
>>344956827
This fucking genre has been plagued by its naming conventions for YEARS. Call them beat em ups and some Double Dragon fan comes out of the wood work to piss all over the thread. Call it a hack and slash and here comes the Diablo fans. At some point people got sick of it and came up with their own name for the genre. And yet, here we are. Some faggot still bitching for no reason. Fucking kill yourself.
>>344956749
Proud mode KH is just as good as these games. Some standout fights are great and feel amazing
>>344956615
http://store.steampowered.com/tag/en/Character%20Action%20Game/?snr=1_5_9__409#p=0&tab=NewReleases
Character Action is a real term you stupid fuck.
>>344957114
>Call them beat em ups and some Double Dragon fan comes out of the wood work to piss all over the thread
All you have to do to fix this is to call them modern beat em ups which is exactly what they are
>>344957249
Steam categories are user generated, but if anything I suppose that just shows people use it.
>>344957075
That was a statement, sweet anon, not an argument. Just because it made you feel hot under the collar doesn't change what it is.
>>344957192
>PROUD mode
Toddle off to your hugbox, you Disney loving sperg.
>>344949508
Yakuza to ok tier
>>344957312
DOUBLE DRAGON NEON, DRAGON'S CROWN, FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>344952875
>Having camera issues with fucking NGB
just how shit are you? NGB has the best camera out of all the games on the list
>>344957312
Then I guess we'll have to add Scott Pilgrim vs the World and Dragon's Crown in the OP image.
>>344957470
Those are further away from classic beat em ups than DMC and God Hand fuck that trash
>>344955192
>>344956749
KH2 FM on critical mode is cuhrayzee as fuck.
Actually play the games before you sperg out.
>>344951097
KH1's combat is kinda meh but I don't see how you can't think KH2 FM's combat is some of the best shit in gaming
>fast paced combat
>no RNG
>huge amount of combat options, from summons and reaction commands to drive forms
>game is beatable at level 1 without being tedious, making the game one of the most well balanced arpgs ever made
>lots of control over your character's movement
>weapons and abilities that actually make a difference and affect how your attacks look and work to an enormous degree, with the player getting a large range of abilities at a good pace giving the player a strong sense of proper progression
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erhpBhLHLUw
>>344957591
There are no 2D games there so no
>>344949508
Yakuza?
I think they'd fit pretty well in okay or good
>>344957401
>>344956749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erhpBhLHLUw
This fight is winnable and fair without being tedious or taking a long time when your character is level 1, despite being an end-game bonus boss.
>>344957607
No they aren't, regardless if you like them are not.
>>344957793
The Yakuza games are more of a beat em up. Not Character action.
Gunvalkyrie
There aren't any good videos on youtube though because the game is obscure as fuck. I had to just grab a clip from the demo reel, which is a far cry from the game's potential.
>>344954498
Somewhere between okay and shit
They're REALLY simple and don't really evolve any at all as you progress beyond some enemies getting tougher. Its also too easy to over-level and win fights simply by being higher level than everything else
>>344958005
This game and Jet Set Radio Future need remake badly
>>344949508
Shinobi should move up to great tier
Nightshade in Good
GoWII should move up a tier
DmC Definitive Edition should be ok tier as well
Move Metal Gear Rising down to good
Ninja Gaiden Sigma im great
Vanilla NG in good or ok
Sigma 2 and 3RE in ok
>No Shadows of the Damned
Just. Wat.
>>344958297
I've been away from /v/ for too long to adjust to this level of irony.
>>344949508
>W101
>good
>>344957715
How much of an improvement is the 2.5 Remix to the vanilla game?
KH always had a fucking huge fanbase, but it isn't until the 2.5 Remix when people have begun to say how amazing the gameplay is, instead talking about feels, spamming song lyrics and trying to make sense out of their series' plot.
>>344949508
There's nothing wrong with the Darksiders games. Kill yourself weebtrash.
>>344958410
agreed, it's not good
it's fucking fantastic
>>344951949
Would the Sigma games be in a different tier than the originals?
>>344949508
You forgot 2D CUHRAAAAAZY starring super ultra kawaii loli.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phST_-RtVAw
>>344958527
2.5's version of 2 is the Final Mix version of the game, which has almost 20 more new extra difficult bonus bosses, a new difficulty mode that rebalances the whole game (critical mode), a new ability that allows you to not gain any experience points (if you want to make it even harder), and a few new cutscenes. And because 2.5 is an HD remaster, all the music was updated to use real instruments, which Yoko Shimomura helped create, which resulted in much higher quality versions of the original music.
For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbm6xxuwuyA
vs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2PS7IoePKw
Its also somewhat prettier to look at.
If you're very experienced with action games, I'd highly recommend giving it a try on critical mode, perhaps even turning on EXP Zero in the abilities section to really challenge your ability to play the game
>>344958768
>loli MC
>kawaii setting and OST
Even if it managed to fit all the requirements and happened to be above DMC3 and Ninja Gaiden, half of /v/ would refuse to play it
>>344958690
Most likely a tier beneath them, most notably Sigma2 (potentially being 2 tiers under).
I'm gonna recommended Razor's Edge because it's what NG3 should've been.
>>344949508
I wouldn't put Bayo 2 over 1
>>344959404
If you live in bizarro /v/, maybe.
>>344958915
Well, now that's what I'd call an HD remaster done right.
I dropped KH2 somewhere after the Tron world, but maybe I'll pick up this new remaster for the sake of the gameplay.
>>344959756
I wouldn't call it a perfect remaster. Loading times are a bit longer now, supposedly because its on a bluray disc. Kairi's panties which were once visible if you aimed the camera just right are now just a black void, and for some reason the final boss has a glitch where reaction commands that should appear don't always appear during his fight. These are all minor issues in comparison to the benefits of this version of the game, but they do keep the remaster from being truly perfect. The final boss one in particular is a strange and frustrating one, especially if you're trying to do a level 1 critical run or are trying to speedrun the game.
>>344958643
>platinum fag
>>344956671
>>344958285
Shinobi isn't stylish action to begin with. It's a great game, but it doesn't belong on the list. The combat isn't complex or varied enough and it isn't the reason to play Shinobi in the first place.
>>344958005
I think there's no good videos because you have to be good at the game for it to not look and feel like clunky shit.
>Zone of the Enders
Why not Another Century's Episode, then?
Dante's inferno should be in "Shit, but has a good art style" tier.
Also, if fucking KH is a character action game, why the fuck isn't asura's wrath?
>>344958410
It's literally their best game.
>>344963425
If you judged Asura's Wrath by it's gameplay, which is ultimately what matters in character action games, it would fall off the bottom of the list. It's gameplay was fucking awful, including the non-QTE bits with actual combat.
>>344963301
Where is my ACE at? I need more team ups with Gym and Master.
>>344949508
No Nightshade.
>>344949508
>Kingdom Hearts
>God of War
>No More Heroes
>Dante's Inferno
>MadWorld
>Character Action
>>344949508
>Bayo 2 better than Bayo 1
Hell levels say hi.
>KH counted
Unless you're playing these on level 1, they don't count, but level 1 in every game aside from KH2 is retarded, and even then it's a little bit retarded, so I don't really know why these are counted.
>Dante's Inferno
Who thought this game was good enough to be included on a list. Everything else there is way ahead of this shit. You might as well start putting in Lords of Shadow here too.
>>344950505
Is this the game that recently came out on Plus? I beat the second boss but I was bored to tears throughout my entire time with it, so I uninstalled. Does it get better? Cause that shit was so boring.
>>344949508
>Kingdom hearts. I tried the first but it didnt seem anywhere near the rest of that list. Uless you mean the storyline.
Can you even call the Darksiders games "character action"? Aren't they more just action adventure, like a Zelda or something? Shit, why not throw in Sonic Unleashed while you're at it.
>>344949508
Ugh. There is not a single game on that list that I would play. It's mostly style over substance trash with edgelord characters.
>>344964108
Post a game with good combat against multiple enemies.
>>344963946
>I literally haven't seen a single second of gameplay please fuck my face
If KH can make it on the list, do you think FFXV has a chance to make it too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whJVGKIZqAoI disagree with putting KH1 on there, but 2FM is alright
>>344964579
No and KH shouldn't be there in the first place
>>344964484
I've played them nig nog.
They feel to me much more like 3D Zelda-clones with more involved combat than they do like "character action games".
Is Heavenly Sword worth a play through?
I mean it looked meh when it came out and still does but is their anything redeeming it?
Is it worth putting games like Enslaved or the new Splatterhouse on there? I mean, if you're putting things like GoW-clones and Heavenly Sword, you might as well. I'm guessing they'd only be Fuck You or Okay tier at best, but still.
>>344949508
>All the God of War's in fuck you despite LPC, MW and AR in okay
>Bayo2 higher than 1
>TW101 top tier
Classic /v/. I love LPC and AR but to say they are better than GoW is just stupid. All of them are pretty middling games.
What about Malicious?
The only 2 that belong in god tier and DMC3 and NGB.
>>344957849
Yes they are because stats are more important than skills in those shitty games, which goes against everything the genre stood for
>>344949508
>dmc 4 above dmc 1
>>344961807
Shinobi is just as stylish as the original ninja gaiden reboot what the hell man. Granted its a different kind of style only certain people will appreciate especially ones who played arcade games.
>>344965856
I'm not saying that 4 is a better game overall than 1 (I mean, 4 was only half finished for fuck's sake), but in terms of action and combat there's no comparison here.
>>344949508
ZOE2 is too low
ZOE1 is too high
>>344966320
Backing this up.
>>344957114
Is there an image like OP's for 2D and belt scroller beat 'em ups?
>>344966320
zoe1 was good okay
>>344966154
>Shinobi is just as stylish as the original ninja gaiden reboot what the hell man
It's 'stylish' in that it looks nice and has fast, challenging gameplay. But let's not fuck about here. When /v/ says 'stylish/character/CURAZY/fucking whatever' action, people mean shit with elaborate, varied and complex combat. Which Shinobi does not have. It's a great game, but it is not in the same ballpark as NG or DMC and trying to pass it off like that is just outright dishonest.
Nightshade is a slightly greyer area, but Shinobi really doesn't qualify.
On that subject, I don't see why Kingdom Hearts gets in either. If you're going to include ARPGs, then games like the Ys games, Dragon's Dogma, or even Korean MMOs like Vindictus or Black Desert are more deserving. Though really, none of them count for the same reasons as above.
>>344967380
Wouldn't fighting games technically count too then?
>>344949508
God Hand deserves it's own tier desu
>>344967380
>people mean shit with elaborate, varied and complex combat
I think speed is also a factor. If it ain't fast, it ain't crazy.
>>344949846
I agree.
>>344967542
Sort of. Though really we're talking about single-player gameplay with generally one playable character fighting a multitude of enemies at once.
Which could extend to shit like Musou games, but those shouldn't count either. Why? It's difficult to say. Musou does not offer the same experience as stylish action and strictly speaking neither do fighting games.
Whether they're an extention of Beat 'Em Ups or if they should include them or not is a fucking mess that's already been argued over at the start of the thread, so fuck bringing that up again.
>>344967829
True. But even that doesn't rule out Musou or fighting gams, both of those need to be fast as well.
>>344967829
Not true, God Hand is slower than a good chunk of old school beat em ups but no one would exclude it.
>>344961807
Nigga there is nothing more stylish than being able to clear an entire level plus the boss in one hit because you got gud
>>344968051
God Hand isn't slow at all, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>344967380
Nice goalpost moving, also Shinobi is as fast as it gets, the game was practically built for speed running.
>>344967981
Isn't musou excluded by "elaborate, varied and complex combat"?
Then again, Zone of the Enders should also be excluded if combat need be complex, and that doesn't feel right to me, I would definitely consider it character action.
>>344968108
>Tank controls
>Limited movement in general
>Combat is very defensive with limited options for crowd control
>Most of the moves outside of the basic combos have long as fuck start up animations
It's slow as shit, even some later Capcom beat em ups were quicker
>>344949508
OPEE you pleb. Move MGR over to CUHRAYZEE.
>>344949508
Why the FUCK is there no Vanquish?
>>344968083
See: >>344967380. Shinobi is stylish, yes, but it's not 'stylish/character/CURAZY action'. It's a different ballpark.
>>344968295
>Nice goalpost moving
What? The goalposts were never anywhere else. The universal standards for stylish action (NGB, DMC 3, God Hand, etc.) all have varied and elaborate combat. Shinobi doesn't. It's that simple.
>>344968491
Because it's a third person shooter
>>344968491
/thread
A total travesty
>>344968491
Probably because
>third person shooter
I'd say it's sort of a mix of character action and third person shooting and falls more on the TPS side of thins, and while I fucking love the game, I don't know if it fits in an image with pure character action games.
God of War 2 isn't that bad.
It's much better than Lollipop Chainsaw, Killer is Dead and half the shit in okay tier.
Does Ys count here? Some of them are very actiony.
>>344968491
so that you would post, my friend
welcome to your first day on 4chan where dumb lists are still the first class bait
>>344968658
>God of War better than Killer is Dead.
OH I AM LAFFIN
>>344949508
Man, I've got a lot of complaints with this list.
And I'm being totally serious when I post this, I want some real reasons for why:
1) Kingdom Hearts is even on this list
2) ZOE2 isn't on this list but ZOE1 is
3) Vanquish isn't on the list
4) No More Heroes 1 is lower than No More Heroes 2
5) GoW games are in the "fuck you" tier
I haven't played every game on this list, but I have played the ones I mentioned above. Something doesn't seem right about this list you've made, OP.
>>344968349
>Isn't musou excluded by "elaborate, varied and complex combat"?
Some people could argue that all the different characters in Musou games put together make for 'varied' combat, I suppose. But yes, that should exclude it.
>Then again, Zone of the Enders should also be excluded if combat need be complex, and that doesn't feel right to me, I would definitely consider it character action.
Maybe complex isn't the right word, but having variety is pretty essential, I'd say. Or at least the option of variety.
>>344968658
Ys combat is sort of simple and mashy though. It's more about dodging than anything else.
>>344968749
>2) ZOE2 isn't on this list but ZOE1 is
look again
>>344968658
later ys should count, yes.
>>344968658
>GoW2 better than Killer is Dead
hell no
Also Ys doesn't have a deep combat system, since you at best have one attack button and a few different magic attacks you can switch between. The games are fun as fuck but it's more based around dodging the enemy attacks.
>>344968641
>>344968545
I don't understand this logic at all. Does the over-the-shoulder view automatically make the game a 3rd person shooter? Because if so, then God Hand is basically in the same category.
Vanquish was just as crazy as God Hand. The only difference is that one of them employed batshit insane futuristic weaponry whereas the other employed batshit insane classical martial arts.
>>344968801
Oh shit, yeah. The ZOE2 front cover always throws me off.
My bad, senpai.
>>344968749
No More Heroes 2 should be in fuck you tier.
>>344966320
ZoE2 had drastically better combat.
Also NMH1 is a better game, despite it being a pretty simple hack n slash game.
Also would a PS3 work for playing Ninja Gaiden Black and Bayonetta? I love CA/Action games and I've never gone through either of those games. I know Bayonetta has serious issues on PS3 but it'd at least be playable. I also love DMC and would love to see how they stack up to it.
Also why does MGR get shit on so often? I mean yeah the game was deeply flawed but it was still super fun.
>>344968658
>>344968801
>>344968828
Ys would count if Kingdom Hearts counts, as should Dragon's Dogma and shit like Vindictus and Black Desert. But really, none of them are exactly the same thing, they're 'ARPGs that happen to have stylish combat'. Pretty borderline, but it's a matter of opinion, I suppose.
>>344968854
Ys 7 and Celceta have quite a bit of variation with the three-player combat and different usable skills. It's not really the same though.
Ys 8 looks pretty close though, and honestly closer than KH, especially now that they finally put jumping back in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqa9yJA-OAw
>>344968940
The difference is using melee attacks vs using projectiles.
Some people won't consider something like Senko no Ronde a fighting game for that sort of reason.
>>344949508
>Kingdom Hearts
>good
How about a bullet to your brain OP?
>>344952165
>100% both and you will see 1 is better.
I 100% both and 2 is better. Especially since 2 doesn't take FOREVER to 100% for no fucking reason.
people who think 1 is better are just pathetic Kamiya dicksuckers.
>>344969083
Yeah alright, I was only thinking of the top down games since I couldn't play Seven or Celceta, but Lacrimosa of Dana is looking pretty great.
>>344968940
It's a third person shooter because it's a third person game about nothing but shooting. Having some mechanics which are generally not seen in the genre doesn't make it an over the top 3D beat em, which is what the other games are.
>>344969083
Man, why don't Ys games come to PC anymore?
>>344969240
New CEO
Wants more money
More money = dumbed down console gaming
Which is why YS is shit now and Adol looks like a faggot from Final Faggotry. 7 was fucking terrible, easy and had the shitty story had the longest cutscenes/dialogue scenes in the series in my experience.
>>344969087
>>344969238
These are dumb reasons. I thought this was supposed to be a list of batshit crazy, adrenaline pumping action titles - not just "beat 'em ups."
This list is dumb and /v/ is dumb. Kingdom Hearts has fucking boring as shit combat. The only fun part is getting new moves that make it slightly less boring every 30 minutes or so.
If Vanquish doesn't make the cut and Kingdom Hearts does then it's a shitty list.
>Source
I finished Vanquish last week and started playing KH2 immediately after I finished Vanquish as part of my backlog. Vanquish was amazing and KH2 is a chore. That's why the list is bullshit.
>>344969078
I've beaten Bayonetta on ps3 and it was fun but I never went for another playtrough, even though I can't wait to buy WiiU cheaply and 100% Bayonetta 1 there. The framerate is so bad sometimes it registers dodge inputs incorrectly and you end up (actual spoiler)transforming into a pumainstead of dodging.
In summary: if you plan to just play it once for experience, it's enjoyable, but if you plan to replay it a lot and master it then I wouldn't really recommend it
As for Ninja Gaiden I have no idea and would like to hear answer as well
>>344969502
>I thought this was supposed to be a list of batshit crazy, adrenaline pumping action titles - not just "beat 'em ups."
Then you could make an endless fucking list because there's a huge amount of games from all sorts of different genres that fit that criteria. I mean why not include shoot em ups too right? They're more intense than anything on the list.
>>344969240
Because consoles make more money, and XSEED is too understaffed to port all their shit for them.
Aksys decided to localize/port Tokyo Xanadu however though so maybe they might pick up the newer Ys games eventually.
>character action
>>344969737
They already ported Celceta to PC...but only for China. God knows why they didn't release it elsewhere.
I'm not fussed because I love actually having games for my Vita, but it sucks that an old PC RPG series isn't available on PC anymore.
>>344969078
>why does MGR get shit on so often?
I loved it for characters, music and hype bosses, but from a pure gameplay standpoint it's kinda rushed with boring combos, no dynamic weapon switching and awkward stealth and sub-weapons mechanic
>>344969502
>I thought this was supposed to be a list of batshit crazy, adrenaline pumping action titles - not just "beat 'em ups."
Well you thought wrong. I don't know what else to tell you.
If it was just batshit crazy adrenaline pumping action titles, why not something like webm related, or Gunstar Heroes, or any number of other things?
>>344969657
It's a real bummer how thinly spread action games are, there's a fuckton of good ones on so many different platforms that it's hard to keep track with them.
Really bums me out how unpopular the genre is. There's such little else that makes you feel like your actually having a duel with a boss/enemy.
>>344969718
>>344969924
Fair enough, I concede.
Carry on, /v/.
>>344969836
Let's hear your term then, anon. :)
>>344970282
not him, but what if they were called 3d beat 'em ups?
>>344969078
>>344969657
For Ninja Gaiden, the Xbox releases are generally considered to be the best versions (NGB and NGII). The Sigma games on PS3 get a lot of stick, but Sigma 1 at least isn't that radical of a change from the original.
If you don't have an original Xbox or 360, then the Sigma games are still perfectly viable, despite what people may say. Just be wary of the Vita ports, those had some series problems.
>>344970328
>3d beat 'em ups
>>344970391
what about it?
>>344970328
>3d beat 'em ups
>>344970536
what about it?
>>344970391
That's on the slower more grounded side of things. It's not like 2D beat em ups didn't have different styles either. You didn't need a term like "character action" for Guardian Heroes just because it didn't play like Final FIght.
>>344970391
I remember being blown away by the graphics in this game
I just got Bujingai after seeing it mentioned in the last thread. Everyone seemed to think it was shit, but I'm gonna see for myself. Maybe it's not stylish action, but it looks pretty damn close, so I'm going to see if it deserves being anywhere on the chart. Wish me luck, /v/.
Is this character action?
Why or why not?
>>344970626
Character Action games are the evolution of the genre. If there are enough games with enough similarities that separate them from their predecessor to branch off then it makes since to classify them as such.
>>344949508
kingdom heart sucks balls noob
>>344970839
Beat 'Em Up, of sorts. Oni had nice hand-to-hand combat for its time, but it wasn't as varied as it needed to be, but that's probably more due to the limitations of its era.
Same reason Tai Fu doesn't really quite count, despite having some fairly varied combat options by endgame.
Name of the genre is Stylish Action or Spectacle Fighter.
>>344970950
No real reason to, especially since they pretty much define 3D beat em ups nowadays as the other more slow paced kind of beat em ups haven't been successful and faded into obscurity.
>>344970950
Then that should be a subgenre at best, like how bullet hell and manic shooter are used to describe shmups with more modern conventions like shitloads of bullets.
>>344949508
>No More Heroes 2 higher than No More Heroes.
You done fucked up OP.
>>344972040
I don't get it. The original wasn't a masterpiece or anything, and while I agree 2 wasn't as good, it certainly wasn't enough of a step down to warrant that sort reaction.
>>344972257
The original is the best game on the Wii
2 was one of the worst games ive ever played. It lost all the fun and charm of the original.
>>344949508
Thanks for making a list for the one genre of vidya I can't stand.
You should call it what it actually is though, "spam and flash".
>>344972452
>The original is the best game on the Wii
I dunno, I'd rather play Metroid Prime Trilogy, Muramasa, Sin and Punishment Star Successor, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, etc.
>>344972668
too fast and hard for you?
you should try souls games they are probably more up to your speed
>>344972452
That's because the Wii's exclusives were some of the weakest Nintendo exclusives in generations.
>>344949508
>character action
>>344976742
Character Roleplaying Action Platformer
>Platinum games in any tier besides Okay
Just delete this image and never post it again
>>344976872
Just delete this post and go away.
Have you already forgotten me /v/?
>>344963825
>
Unless you're playing these on level 1, they don't count, but level 1 in every game aside from KH2 is retarded, and even then it's a little bit retarded
It is not retarded in the slightest. The game is completely fair and is not bullshit nor does it have any easily exploitable mechanics.
>>344971049
No
>>344949508
Aside from Bayo 2 somehow being in cuhrayzee tier when in terms of combat it is the weakest cuhrayzee game, and DMC4 somehow not being in cuhrayzee, this is overall a pretty solid list.
Personally though based on overall merit, I'd put it as
>ELDER GOD TIER
DMC3SE, NGB
>GOD TIER
Bayo, God Hand
>TOP TIER
Wonderful 101, NGII, SB4S
>GREAT TIER
SB3U, Bayo 2, DMC4SE, MGR, KH2FM
Rest is the same.
>>344955683
>No one ever played VJ
That's wrong
Popsback when he associated with the placewas THE VJ expert, and all around VJ elder god in general
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TglSZceSyPo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7xwe5Tm_L4
>>344971151
>Spectacle Fighter
Oh get the hell out of here. That's a retarded term coined by Yahtzee and makes even LESS sense than Character Action.
Character/Stylish Action were the original terms. Kamiya used it to reference DMC all the way back in like early 2000s.
>>344963529
>which is ultimately what matters in character action games,
Maybe to you.
Anyways, I wasn't saying Asura's wrath was a good one, i'm just saying it should be listed. Personally, i'm of the opinion AW is a 6/10 game, a 910 anime, and a 12/10 interactive anime.
It's hard to not like something that does shit like pic related every damn cutscene and continually one ups itself in terms of how stupidly over the top it's being
>>344977252
Probably the best game I've gotten for 25 cents.
Granted, the only other game I've gotten for 25 cents is Bad Rats.
>>344980763
>Maybe to you.
And every standard of character action. If it hasn't got stylish and varied gameplay it doesn't count.
DMC, NG, Bayonetta, God Hand, all those games fit that mold, Asura's Wrath does not. It's an interesting interactive anime experience, but it isn't stylish action and shouldn't be on the chart. It's that simple.
>Devil May Cry 2 this low
It was garbage for a DMC game but it still blows the majority of action games out of the goddamn water
>>344981257
>>344968749
No More Heroes 2 is objectively better than the first in just about every way, play-wise.
For one thing, beat attacks even matter at all.
The only thing NMH1 has over the 2nd is more distinction between high/low stance and tsubaki MK III.
That said the 2nd really should've kept Tsubaki MK-I's moveset for Bloodberry since beat attacks/charging became more prominent.
344981257
Anon, that was so dumb I'm not even giving you the satisfaction of a (you). You need better bait.
>>344972452
>fun and charm of the original
Sorry but fuck that shitty grand theft auto overworld. And fuck that scavenger hunt too.
>>344979369
>Nor does it have any exploitable mechanics
What? Did you play it? Stitch completely trivializes the game until Data Org/Terra, which is basically the entire game, by just reducing it to a magic spam fest where you're basically invincible since enemies until Data Org/Terra can't get through unlimited MP. Giving the player unlimited MP for basically half the game
is not good game design.
Data Org/Terra is cool because aside from Drive form Firaga on some of them, there isn't really an exploitable way to kill them, unless you want to really get deep in there and start RNG manipulating patterns to exploit. Roxas and Marluxia are definitely some amazing fights, even if Roxas is way too easy.
It's such a minuscule part of the game though that I really can't judge level 1 based entirely on that, which in reality was a magic spam fest due to how OP Stitch was.
Cool game though, I still replay the Data Orgs from time to time.
>>344982278
Got any more from VST8?
>>344982672
Nope, that's the only one.
>>344982776
What about prior VSTs?
>>344983068
I just have a couple of webms from Mike Kob's videos.
The first kingdom hearts is not a part of this genre, and the second kingdom hearts is not great either overall or as an example of this type of gameplay
>>344949508
>own everything in cuhraaaaazy
>>344983414
Second KH is pretty great though. I'd argue as far as button mashers go that it's the best one.
>>344957401
>Neurotypical shithead yet again with his retarded propaganda trying to convince everyone that autism isn't the logical evolution of the human race.
Fuck off, monkey.
