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I'm looking for the best of the best JRPGs. I've listed many JRPGs I've heard good things about on /v/, could you help me narrow down the list by identifying mediocre games that aren't worth mentioning? Feel free to suggest other great games I may have missed and to talk about anything JRPG related.
- Skies of Arcadia
- Panzer Dragoon Saga
- Romancing SaGa Minstrel Song
- Radiant Historia
- SMT Nocturne
- Persona 2
- SMT Devil Survivor
- Fire Emblem Path of Radiance
- Der Langrisser
- Growlanser IV
- Tactics Ogre LUCT
- Valkyria Chronicles
- Front Mission 5
- Etrian Odyssey IV
- Grandia
- LoH TitS
- SMRPG
- Phantasy Star IV
- Lufia II
- Suikoden 2
- Mother 3
- Nier
- Dark Souls
- TWEWY
- Castlevania CotM
- Ys Oath in Felghana
- Seiken Densetsu 3
- Arc Rise Fantasia
- Valkyrie Profile
- Vagrant Story
- Odin Sphere
- Terranigma
- Treasure of the Rudras
- Metal Max Returns
- Live a Live
- Baiten Kaitos
- Mana Khemia
>>344936052
Start with older jrpgs first
>>344936052
>Panzer Dragoon Saga
Decent, not top tier. Overrated by wannabe special snowflakes due to physical copy rarity.
>Fire Emblem Path of Radiance
Painfully easy entry in babby's second srpg series.
>Castlevania CotM
Symphony of the Night
>Arc Rise Fantasia
Mediocre.
>Mana Khemia
No.
Xenogears.
>>344936052
This list didn't even start with Xenogears, Xenosaga and Xenoblade?
I've lost interest in your thread
>>344936052
Paper Mario is fairly good. It does a lot of things right and really doesn't screw up anywhere. I tend to use it as a baseline in picking out good RPGs: unless a game does something better than Paper Mario, and unless that something is significant to the game, then I'm not going to bother.
My top JRPGs are both Tactics Ogre games, all three Grandia games, and Suikoden 5. I'd also add Atelier Rorona Plus to your list next to Mana Khemia, for having an improved combat/crafting system even if the main character and story is more disappointing.
I could recommend a number of older titles like Final Fantasy 6 or Front Mission 3. I'm also curious as to why Castlevania: Circle of the Moon is on your list, as most people would certainly not consider it a JRPG. In fact, if you want to make a list of games, you probably want to figure out what exactly you are looking for beyond a vague "best of JRPGs" idea. You'll start getting confusion around titles like Dark Souls, Child of Light, and similar titles otherwise. I mean, does Ogre Battle qualify for your list? Shining Force? Puzzle & Dragons?
>>344937094
>both Tactics Ogre games
>both
Agreed. Knight of Lodis doesn't get enough lovem
>>344936052
If you have Seiken Densetsu 3 on your list then you need to add Secret Of Mana.
I haven't played Legend but I hear it's quite different, for better or worse
>>344936887
Thanks.
>>344936906
>>344936963
Xenogears was OK but also heavily flawed. I'm trying to narrow the list down.
>>344937094
Thanks.
I guess Castlevania doesn't count, I'm just trying to go with the norm and list games that are typically considered JRPGs rather than setting a new definition on my own. Dark Souls and Shining Force would definitely count but I'm not sure about Ogre Battle.
>>344936052
Persona 2 really isn't very good. The plot and characters are decent, but every aspect of the gameplay is awful. They even ruined the usual borrowed SMT elements somehow.
You might look into BoF: Dragon Quarter.
It has great combat mechanics, resource management, and character development.
>>344936887
Mana Khemia has really good combat, though it is admittedly unremarkable outside of that.
I had Golden Sun on my backlog but I'm scrapping it due to the bad feedback I've read on here.
Not sure what to prioritise out of Dark Cloud 2 or Tales Of Symphonia
>>344936052
OP. PLEASE. PLEASE PLAY THIS GAME. Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete. Hidden gem, god tier jrpg. One of, if not THE best stories ever told through a gaming platform. Check it out, its my favorite game of all time. When you listed off so many great JRPG's and I didnt see this one, I knew I could help you. PLAY LUNAR 2. 11/10 GOTYAY. I'm not exaggerating.
>>344936052
WHERE'S CHRONO TRIGGER?
>>344939196
>Hidden gem
Your post reeks of false flagging, but everyone knows Lunar.
I bought Valkyria Chronicles (and all the dlc I think) during the summer sale but haven't played it yet.
What can I expect?
>>344939517
The chronicles of a valkyria.
>>344939393
Ctrl+f = no lunar, wanted to help OP out. Everyone ought to play Lunar. The musical compositions are exquisite, character development is outstanding, what you think is a story of good and evil is actually a love story. God damn I get teary eyed just thinking about it. Play this masterpiece. then Play it again. Pass it down to your children so that they may be raised in the light, in the benevolent radiance that is LUNAR 2: ETERNAL BLUE COMPLETE.
>>344938432
Path of Radiance is actually very good. Same goes for other games in the Fire Emblem series. Story and gameplay are top notch, if given that PoR is a little on the easy side.
>>344938929
Dark Cloud 2 is one of those odd cases where no single aspect of the game is all that impressive, but I still really enjoyed it due to the amount of content it has. It would get old pretty quickly if it was just constant dungeon delving, but there are constant amusing diversions like fishing, golf, town building, and inventing.
It's been too long since I played Tales of Symphonia for me to appraise it all that well. I liked it at the time, though.
>>344936052
>A slime right in the middle of that picture
>no dragon quest in the list
Anon what the fuck are you doing?
>>344939196
>>344939808
Nice try but I already know that Lunar is the epitome of mediocre unremarkable JRPGs.
>>344939517
Good setting
Bad story
Good gameplay mechanics
Good level design
Terrible balance
It's a very fun tactics game (the RPG elements are rather minimal). Eventually you'll figure out how to break it and the game will become super easy. Once that happens you might want to try this mod which will make the game more balanced/challenging/tactical:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=498442298
>>344939878
>>344936887
The hard mode in Path of Radiance was removed in the western release but there's a patch that puts the english script in the jap version.
>>344939878
Oh, and definitely try ARF. Voice acting and wonky story aside the gameplay is amazing.
>>344939973
Dark cloud 2 is great!!
dragon quest 8 is also dank
>>344938432
Ok i can accept that, but the Xenosaga series is one of the most underrated JRPG series in existence
>>344940082
All he needs to do is get the undub.
>>344940075
How is the hard mode? Never got around to trying it out.
>>344936052
persona 2 has the worst gameplay
also, >cotm
>not sotn
>>344940075
Disregarded. "when dealing with fools you must learn to accept that they are a part of life, like rocks or furniture." - Robert Greene.
Seiken Densetsu 3 was amazing
>>344940329
It's comparable to Radiant Dawn's hard mode. Not perfect, but it's a lot better than the US release's "hard mode" in which your strong characters barely take damage from anything.
Don't know too much about JRPGs but Persona 2 is just not a good representation of that series desu
Pick Persona 3 at least if you don't like 4's artstyle
>>344939253
ALSO THIS WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF OVERSIGHT IS THIS
As long as this is for discussion too, is fishing Black Bass a good way to make money in Nier? Trying to grind my way to that sweet 100 percent weapon collection
>>344939808
Not OP but since everyone else seems to be shitting on you I'm intrigued
What's the gameplay like? I've seen the game get a lot of praise but I'm not familiar with anything about it other than it's PS1 JRPG #1236
>>344936052
Solid list OP, add Breath of Fire III/IV too. They have neat stories, fun gameplay and great OSTs
>>344936052
All those great games and you put trash like Tits, Persona 2 and Arc Rise Fantasia
don't skip grandia 2
>when you rest for the first time in Etrian 4 and your new skill distribution feels much worse than before
fug
I'm playing Dark Cloud 2. It's kinda boring so far.
>>344941107
The gameplay is familiar, turn based, and easy to get into. The real attraction of the game comes from its charming atmosphere (largely due to the excellent soundtrack) and band of characters, the way the characters are developed and come together over the course of the game, and the storyline itself (which is complemented by the full length anime scenes).
This game is for you is you want to get comfy and enjoy a great story. The game is so charming you will find it hard to put down. Also, it grips you right from the start of the game, there is no warm up period where it takes time to get good, its just excellent all the way through. Did I mention how great the storytelling was? haha. Check it out!
>>344942184
i still have all that shit in the picture, in mint condition. what's it worth?
Just got FFVII for the playstation 4, Cloud just crossdressed.
I'm playing Digital Devil Saga if only just to groove to this music
>>344939196
>>344939808
>>344940075
>>344941107
Lunar is distinctive in that you don't directly control the characters in battle. You just give a command (fight, magic spells, etc) and they pick their targets to attack automatically. Characters move around a field so you have some idea of what they'll attack, but you can't always be sure they will gang up on a specific target.
Combat isn't too hard overall, so it's not much of a concern, but it is strange.
The better aspect of the game is the characters, and the localization. The team clearly knew what they were doing, making the characters likable and the dialogue funny. If you've played Grandia, you probably know what I mean. It has more in similarity to the old 80s/90s anime in a game form than scrolling through menus like most JRPGs did for dialogue at the time. It was seriously quite good, although we've seen better after the games came out. (Grandia, specifically.)
Overall, I thought Lunar were some nice games. I certainly wouldn't put them in a top list of JRPGs, but they are charming and certainly worth checking out if you like the genre.
I should really get back to BOF4. I got lost in the apple woods looking for that faggot mayor and then something else caught my attention and haven't played it in months.
>>344944072
Dont know what you're talking about combat wise, in LUNAR 2 you directly controll the characters (except for a "special" character that I wont talk more about because spoilers). You can use "tactics" which you preset outside of battle. This gets them to battle automatically without having to assign individual commands each battle.
I would agree with the "anime in a game" statement.
>>344943816
so fucking good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNbGxDgcZh0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJf7jnRQsdE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5U93eyig8w
Playing through BOF3 now, up to the volcano with floating rock monsters. What should I do? Should I go back and grind some more and learn more spells?
Also playing through FF9, am currently chasing Kuja on his silver dragon to the Tree of Life. Dropped FF8 due to it getting too annoying and uninteresting.
Which Tales game should I start next; Symphonia, Abyss or Vesperia? I've only played a bit of Xillia and thought it was pretty meh overall.
>>344938659
>You might look into BoF: Dragon Quarter.
>It has great combat mechanics, resource management, and character development.
This. Definitely one of the best non-traditional JRPGs.
>>344944783
Symphonia is a very early title, so I'd go with that so you don't feel like you're going backwards mechanics wise.
>>344944783
>Symphonia, Abyss or Vesperia?
If you gave up on Xillia and want to play one of the better Tales games, go with Vesperia. Most people consider it the best, or tied with Abyss. If you warm up to the series from Vesperia, play Symphonia and then Abyss.
>>344936052
>- Terranigma
>- Treasure of the Rudras
>- Metal Max Returns
>- Live a Live
>- Baiten Kaitos
Anyone here played these? What'd you think of them?
I remember when I first discovered emulators an I'd spend every day playing PS1 and SNES games. Now I only get to play a JRPG a couple times a year.
>>344946984
>2 new posts
Metal Max Returns plays alot like dragon quest with tanks. they just tell you to make friends and find takes and kick you out into the world to find everything yourself. Loved it
>>344936052
I prefer ys seven/celceta to felghana
felghana felt a little too simplistic.
>>344936052
Been playing FFIV on my DS lately. It's great, but it's hellishly hard compared to other FF games and even other versions of FFIV. If you want a good challenge I highly recommend it
>>344936052
what was the year that JRPG's wen't down the shitter as a genre?
>>344947342
is it actually hard or just requires more grinding?
>>344947379
The day FF13 was released.
>>344946984
Terranigma is great, the plot twist near the end is one of my favorites in the story of vidya, even if the second half of the game is not that good.
Treasure of the Rudras is generic JRPG with a nice spell system.
Live a Live is very experimental, you should try it. Every scenario is very different, very creative gimmicks in most scenarios (expecially the street fighter one). Is one of my favorite games ever.
>>344947548
>>344947521
A lot of the boss fights still put up a fair challenge, even with a decent amount of grinding. You really have to be strategic with your attacks more than anything though, because if you fuck up even slightly you're probably dead.
>>344947379
They didn't, the devs just stuck to handhelds last gen
>>344939196
You're so deep the fanboy hole it's not even funny. Have some reality check.
>>344947521
It's a Final Fantasy game where buffs and debuffs matter. The game is pretty brutal but every boss can be killed with strategy. Also grinding takes a lot of time so it's kind of out of question.
>>344945432
>>344945592
Okay thanks. I'll try Vesperia first just to see what all the fuss is about.
>>344940339
Persona 1 had the worst everything. Persona 2 had terrible gameplay but a fantastic everything else.
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yzsWpw6.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>no one ever talks about Thousand Arms
I just thought it was a unique idea to have a dating sim built in for enhancing your blacksmithing prowessDid anyone pick the retarded girl?
>>344948012
>has the worst everything
except it had the best Persona gathering system and actual dungeon crawling
>>344936052
>Have Grand Kingdom still unboxed in my shelf
>I have been spending days playing mobile trash and leveling up shitty cards instead of playing GK
Someone please end methis is addictive
>>344939253
This
Also where is The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky?
>>344948089
Pirate girl all of the day broGameplay is shallow and boring, the only saving grace is character interactions
>>344948089I picked pic related.
>>344946984
Terranigma has one of the best stories of the SNES rpgs in my opinion. The battle system is fun too but sometimes a bit clunky. I highly recommend it.
>>344947521
Everything is beefed up but I only needed to do some grinding for the end game dungeon. Just look up missable augments because a good amount of them will carry you
>>344944783
Learn some more techs and spells in BoF3. You'll always need more of those. Also look around for the Asbestos Armor that's there.
>dropping 8
What'd you find uninteresting about it and how far along into the game are you?
Personally I like Tales of the Abyss the most. If you have a friend, you can do some couch co-op with them. Makes the game a lot more fun that way, even though it's a great game even by yourself.
>/jrpgg/ is dead
why does vitagen make it a point to destroy everything in sight?
>>344948283Grand Kingdom is like mobile trash but with actual depth..
>>344948012
Except music and demon variety
>>344948138
Innocent Sin was decent as well, though probably the easiest JRPG. It sucks that they removed the fusion spells.
>>344941673
i have played half-way through dark cloud 2 3 or 4 times now without ever finishing. probably dumped near 1000 hours. i can't tell if it's my favorite game or if i just associate it strongly with a positive time in my life and i don't want to progress away from that.
where are you in the game?
>>344948463
desu /jrpgg/ had to die at some point.
>>344948463
Nothing good comes out of /vg/ honestly. It's probably better to let it go than to let it become shit.
>>344948367
>Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky?
LoH:TitS
>>344948638
There are plenty of decent /vg/ communities. You just have to remember the golden rule: the bigger the community, the more shit it's bound to be. The smaller ones are great.
never played any dq but viii, can someone fill this in for me?
cloud : ff :: ______ : dq
>OP hates Xenogears
whats the point of this thread?
>>344948809
What?
>>344948463
I stopped browsing /vg/ entirely, it's just reposts and reposts.
rip /jrpgg/ and /eagg/
>>344948463Kharak is burning
>>344948776
The problem with this is that when there's not many posters people tend to shitpost in desperation of keeping the thread alive or force really shitty memes. I witnessed that in many generals. After awhile it gets exhausting. I'm glad I was able to escape from that.
>>344936052
Final Fantasy 4, 5, 6, 7, 9 and 12 (8 and 10 suck and are carried entirely by nostalgia, you should already know to avoid 13 like the plague)
Breath of Fire 3 and 4
All Dragon Quest games
Chrono Trigger and Cross
Legend of Dragoon (criminally underrated)
Tales of Vesperia
Solatorobo
Strange Journey
Illusion of Gaia
Golden Sun 1 and 2 (guilty pleasures)
Kingdom Hearts 1, 2 and Chain of Memories (everything else is superfluous and only makes the story more convoluted)
Sword of Mana
Secret of Mana
Seiken Densetsu 3
Legend of Mana
>>344948863
xenogears sux
>>344948864
who in the dq series would be analogous to cloud's popularity in the ff series? that is to say, popularity head-and-shoulders above the rest
>>344936052
Dragon Quest
Like holy shit there's a slime right in your picture and you forgot to list Dragon Quest
>>344949124
Better than Planescape, at least.
Oh I've been waiting for a jrpg thread
I'm currently emulating Radiant Historia and it seems pretty good as of now but a couple of things I'm concerned about is that
it seems too easy
doesn't seem to be much customization
will it handle the multiple timeline thing well or is it just a gimmick
characters seem bland right now
Will these problems get better as the game goes on or will it just be like this? Is it worth a 40 hour playthrough?
I've been replaying DQ8 before DQ7 3DS comes out, and working on replaying Xenoblade (and 100%ing it this time). Almost done with Xenoblade but now Monster Hunter has come again to devour most of my free time.
>>344948809
Are you trying to figure out which Dragon Quest character is most like Cloud? Cause they are all silent protagonists.
>>344948447
>Learn some more techs and spells in BoF3. You'll always need more of those. Also look around for the Asbestos Armor that's there.
Okay cheers.
>What'd you find uninteresting about it and how far along into the game are you?
It was somewhere around the invasion of Galbadia Garden and I had to fight a 3 headed demon dog. After the novelty wore off after the first disc I just wasn't having any fun with the game, the battle system sucked and all the characters were annoying as fuck (especially the two leads).
>>344949153
The slime.
>>344949320
most like cloud in terms of relative popularity to the rest of the series
>>344949496
The hero from DQ8 I guess.
>>344949474
Nah, moogles or chocobo would probably be the slime.
>>344949662
Or cactuar.
>>344949295
It's not hard.
There's really not much customization.
Multiple timeline is great.
The characters get better. Stoke is one of my favorite protagonists ever.
>>344949584
interesting, thanks.
>>344948638
might as well merge it back. same with vr
>>344949254
not like you'd know, since you never played it.
>>344949295
Radiant Historia is an easy game. Note that you aren't expected to fight random battles at all unless you really want to grind for some reason. It will stay easy regardless but you'll have to use specific tactics to beat certain bosses if you don't overlevel.
There isn't much customization. Though you often use different party members, tactics, gear setups, skills, positioning, buffs, statuses, limit breaks, etc. depending on the situation so the battles don't get repetitive.
The multiple timeline thing isn't really "handled well" nor is it a "gimmick". It's a linear game and the story just happens to involve time travelling.
Characters aren't particularly well developed.
It's one of my favourites but if you think these are big "problems" then you probably won't like the game.
>>344949295
most of the things you listed are common in jrpgs in general. not sure why this is a surprise to you.
>>344949758
Is there a way to make the game harder? I really like the battle system and it feels wasted on an easy game. Maybe some sort of challenge run like never buying equips or something of the sort?
>>344936052
what's character on the left?
start with Grandia
>>344950526
Cress Albane
>>344950526
Cless from Tales of Phantasia.
>>344950256
I don't consider them big problems, more mild peeves.
It's good to hear about the different party members and tactics thing, that's an easy substitute for less customization.
And yeah the way the story is being set up now I'm expecting it to be linear but I suppose that's not so bad. 999 and VLR is also linear in a sense but those are some of my favorite timeline jumping stories.
>>344950293
I've mostly played SMT games for JRPGs.
>>344950645
>>344950646
One of you is wrong and a weeb and the type of person to call Guts Gattsu or Alucard Arrucarrrudoro-san.
>>344950320
In theory I think a patch / cheat code that reduces exp gain would be the best solution, but I don't know if it exists.
>>344948776
>The smaller ones are great.
not true.
also, sure is fun having 2 posts a day.
>>344950713
>I've mostly played the dark souls of jrpgs
well no kidding it seems way too easy in comparison.
>>344950646
ah, thought it was a tales game.
>>344943816
>>344944748
God tier JRPG so long as you're fine with linearity.
What DS rpg should I play first?
Dragon Quest 4, 5, or 6, or Radiant Historia?
Personal Favorites:
Chrono Trigger
Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. The Souless Army
Devil Summoner 2: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. King Abaddon
Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers
Digital Devil Saga
Digital Devil Saga 2
Dragon Quest VIII
Drakengard
Final Fantasy IV-X
Final Fantasy Tactics
Grandia
Grandia II
Nier
Odin Sphere
Parasite Eve
Persona 2: Innocent Sin
Persona 2: Eternal Punishment
Persona 3 FES
Radiant Historia
Saga Frontier
Shadow Hearts
Shadow Hearts: Covenant
Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne
Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey
Star Ocean: The Second Story
>>344936052
Here is my list
>Baiten Kaitos Origins
>Skies of Arcadia
>Shin Megami Tensei 3 Nocture
>Dragon Quest V
>Etrian Oddysey 3
>Phantasy Star IV
>Dark Cloud 2
>Terranigma (what a wonderful game)
>Vagrant Story
>Valkyrie Profile
>Chrono Trigger
>Dragon Quest III
>Xenoblade
>Seiken Densetsu 3
>Boktai
>Lost Oddysey
>Final Fantasy V
>Illusion of Gaia
>Lufia 2
And games that are okay but I respect them for being important for its time
>Dragon Quest
>Final Fantasy 7
>Shin Megami Tensei
>Pokemon
>>344951137
You need to play some breath of Fire and Suikoden. Good taste though.
>>344936052
Nigga, no Dragon Quest???? Play them first!!!!DQ3 best DQ
don't see bravely default anywhere, check that out if you haven't already
>>344951406
Played a little of BoFIV and Suikoden III a long time ago and ended up dropping both pretty fast.
>>344951660
Play Suikoden 2, it's much better.
>>344950778
I just looked him up on wikipedia and that's how it's pronounced.
>>344951660
Suikoden III takes awhile to get into, but it's really fun after you pick the Fire Warrior. Also play Suikoden I and II, they're great right out of the gate and stay that way.
>>344951554
I'd say Dragon Quest 8, 5, and 3 are solid, good games. As are Final Fantasy V and X, as is Chrono Trigger. Anything that surpasses this threshold is what I consider "great".
>>344952262
What about Final Fantasy VI, VII, VIII and IX, and Chrono Cross?
>>344949381
Also there are trainers all over the goddamn place, and some hidden dragon genes. Look everywhere. Then look everywhere 2 or 3 times because it's easy as fuck to miss 3/4 of the game's stuff.
Also fish. Fish a lot.
>>344952440
Still good but a step lesser (except Chrono Cross, I haven't played it). The games I listed are like the threshold between good and great to me.
>>344950621
Just finished the adventurer's guild part of Grandia.
I've never seen a game say the word "adventure" so many times. I feel like this game should have a zero budget 50 episode anime adaptation.
>>344952440
Not him but
>FF 7,8,9
Probably the worse FF games that I played. They are slow as fuck, boring cinematic games. Story isn't that complex but it tries to be one of them, it's just pretentious for me. Also RPG should be always a fast pacing gameplay imo
FF9 for example, I tried to like it because the characters looks charming and I thought it could be one of these RPG that I might feel like in a ACTUAL adventure but start a fucking normal battle is just annoying (fuck, it took like one hour to start the game for real)
FFVI is great though, I like a lot the soundtrack
I never played Chrono Cross but I heard is good
>>344938009
Turn-by-team is pretty shitty to be honest. Games that use that system very frequently are unable to balance heavy classes vs. light classes, like knight vs. thief.
With turn-by-unit, giving them a speed stat or something, you can give the thief slightly more turns to justify their low damage.
>>344951783
I was honestly a little disappointed with Suikoden II after I heard it get hyped to hell I played Suikoden I first and then found out that Suikoden II is pretty much just a rehash of the first game
Still though I could see why someone who played II first would prefer it especially with the improved rune system
>>344953638
I had the same problem with FF9, i couldnt get into it because a simple Attack command took three times the time it should have. This isnt even counting waiting for the action bar to fill up. If you compare it even to other ps1 games like breath of fire 4, the gameplay is just way too sluggish.
Not really, typically light classes like thieves are balanced in turn-by-team by having higher movement which is important in games where there are objectives beyond just clashing with the enemy in an open field. And/or they could have special bonuses like ignoring enemy ZOE or doing extra damage when backstabbing enemies or something like that.
Actually, I can't think of any examples of well balanced turn-by-unit games. Tactics Ogre and FFT are particularly notable examples of terrible balance in SRPGs. Even Wild Arms XF ended up being really unbalanced since you could get like 20 times the enemy's turns if you used the fastest class. Could you name some with good balance?
>>344954497
in reply to
>>344953694
>>344953638
Fair enough. I still liked 7 and 9 more than 10 though. That one went way overboard with the cutscenes, and you couldn't even skip them.
>>344955670
I like 10's gameplay (turn based with the displayed turn order thing, and lots of useful techniques beyond basic attacks). I also thought the story was pretty well executed, at least relative to other FF games. That's why I put it above the PS1 FF games (though I like those as well). I understand that some people don't like their games to be linear, but that's a matter of preference and I don't have a problem with it. As for the cutscenes, I guess an option so skip them wouldn't hurt but I don't see why it would matter unless you're replaying the game and still remember the cutscenes. Do people ever skip cutscenes in their first playthrough of a game?
![20111211113623a49[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OwWRV0a.jpg "20111211113623a49[1].jpg")
Literally best JRPG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw5JIvfF9fM
>>344956491
I liked 10 a lot. One thing I thought was interesting about it was the setting. It had very exotic locales and islands. I'm a big fan of that. The music was on point too.
>>344956491
Having the option to skip them is nice, especially if you have a 10 minute cutscene right before a difficult boss (you know the one I'm talking about) also when replaying the game not everybody wants to sit through every cutscene. I also thought 7's story was executed better but that's just me.
>>344956653
It looks cool but it will never, ever be translated. Is it a lot better than Metal Max Returns?
>yfw Grandia 3 is baller as fuck and everyone is oblivious to it
>>344957225
I'm playing through it at the moment though
>>344957225
only the battles are good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jwRkJV4CQY
Is this the best battle theme in any JRPG ever?
>>344957620
>not the OST
>not the visual art style
>not the exploration
>>344951137
>Drakengard
>Nier
>All those megaten games
Excellent taste. I'll try the other games on your list, anon. You are trustworthy.
Maybe not the best story, but Rogue Galaxy has some fantastic concepts. I love the game to death, but I don't personally know anyone that has played it. It deserves a play through.
>>344957847
No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4PCOAJ80lo
>>344957847
I thought it was terrible because I disliked the vocals and it really surprised me when I found out people liked it. That said, I guess it kind of fits the game.
Lots of JRPGs have good music in general and I'd like to hear some more battle themes you guys liked. I'll post some later if the thread is still alive.
>>344958083
It's one of those games that are actually fun to grind through since weapon upgrades are autistically addictive.
>>344938659
>Dragon Quarter
Hell yes.
Been replaying through Knights in the Nightmare. New Dept Heaven game when?
is there a jrpg with a story that appeals to someone who is more than 25 years old?
>>344958270
That song was decent but won me over in DDS2 was Heroic Battle. That and the Jpop song in the opening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WPcqFEeqzQ
Can't belive I'm seeing people shitting on Lunar in this thread.
I mean I could understand if you where talking about Dragon Song because that game was pure dog shit.
But Silver Star Story and Eternal Blue are god teir games and two of the best Jrpgs ever made.
>>344961629
They're really not anything special. Not bad, just unremarkable. Don't lose your hair over people not liking a game you like
>>344948463
I went to jrpg once. horrible place to be honest. The first thing I saw was a rabid nintendo fanboy who just out nowhere started shitting on playstation games, the guy was definitely insane
>>344962467
What kind of impossibly high standards do you have to have to consider Lunar of all games unremarkable?
I mean shit! They both have an awsome sound track, great stories with very likeable casts,pretty cool and fun battle systems and good graphics for their time.
It's so rememberable that even thought I haven't played either in well over a decade I still remember some of the songs by heart.
>>344964326
I can remember Poker Face by heart but that doesn't make Lady Gaga a good JRPG.
>>344936052
Trails/Kiseki series.
>>344948463
>why does vitagen make it a point to destroy everything in sight?
It wasn't destroyed by vitagen, it was destroyed by Talesfags who were butthurt that they wouldn't be getting Vesperia PS3.
>>344964326
Because it is unremarkable. Compare to FF, DQ, SMT, SaGa, Mana, Grandia, Langrisser, Fire Emblem, Front Mission, Tactics Ogre, etc. It's definitely unremarkable compared to the truly notable JRPGs of the same era (same with breath of fire). The music in Lunar sss is good, but many games have good music. The battle systems in Lunar sss is bland and really quite subpar. The anime scenes looked nice but otherwise graphics weren't very good even for the time. The strong point is the story/characters but that's not enough to carry the rest of the game, at least not for me.
>>344936052
You have missed Phantasy Star.
>>344966465
FF is overrated as fuck and always focused on style over substance, so I would argue that Lunar is better (sans Dragon Song which is bar none the worst RPG in the history of Japan). DQ is only noteworthy for pioneering the genre, it's otherwise pretty bog-standard (not bad, but nothing exceptional either).
>>344967156
>sans Dragon Song which is bar none the worst RPG in the history of Japan
i doubt the validity of this claim
what are the most difficult jrpgs?
My Top 3 JRPG's
>Suikoden 2
>Final Fantasy 8
>Chrono Trigger
>>344967156
>FF is overrated as fuck
If you're unable to understand the irony in your saying that, you really need to take a break from 4chan. Or at least from talking about things you're passionate about on 4chan.
>>344967452
>Final Fantasy 8
ew
>>344966775
Phantasy Star IV
Or do think another Phantasy Star game should be added? I thought the first two games were impressive back when they were released, but I don't think the gameplay holds up very well.
>>344966089
>LoH TitS
Speaking of which, how are Cold Steel and zero/ao in comparison to TitS
>>344967452
Good taste besides FF8.
>tfw you can't bring yourself to finish JRPGs anymore
>P4 forever in my backlog because I watched the anime before finishing the game
I was always a great fan of Crystalis. It's ARPG though so don't know if it makes the list.
I hear Resonance of Fate is really good and gets talked about a lot here. I bought it but haven't played yet.
Also I loved Lost Odyssey but don't know if it's just a nostalgia thing.
>>344967452
Dragon Quest V
Final Fantasy V
Persona 3
Also had fond memory with Kamidori and Suikoden 1,2,5
>>344967296
There's no such thing as a "difficult jrpg"
>>344968819
There's no such thing as a "difficult video game"
>>344957924
odin sphere sucks.
>>344968865
There's no such thing as a "video game"
>>344944072
>The better aspect of the game is the characters, and the localization. The team clearly knew what they were doing, making the characters likable and the dialogue funny
If you don't mind that the humor was never particularly funny, the American pop culture references were always bad, both have aged horribly (especially the latter), and WD completely raped the original tone and atmosphere of the games, and gimped characters like Ghaleon, and did shit like making the games too easy and unnecessarily bulking boss HP (all of this in regards to the PS1 versions).
People want to look back on Working Designs fondly due to nostalgia, and they were the least shitty jrpg localization company of that era, but they still weren't very good.
Although in fairness, the Lunars are probably their best localization jobs, especially the Sega CD versions. Those are much more faithful and just better, and what people should be playing.
It's not until you get into stuff like Albert Odyssey that WD's wannabe quirkiness gets really tiresome.
>>344940758
The term you're looking for in your comparison of P3 and 4 is tone or atmosphere or fucking color palette, seeing as the artstyle is the same. P4 is just made up of recolored P3 assets.
>>344948530
No, it really wasn't. IS in particular is bad because it's laughably easy so there's no reason at all to ever create new Personas. The dungeon crawling itself is crap and the encounter rate is infuriating, even if the dungeons themselves are better designed than P3 and 4's. Which really isn't saying much since P3 and 4's dungeon layouts are just randomized corridors. No, the P2 dialogue is bad in the gameplay department and good at everything writing related. Music is Meg but there are some decent tracks, like Maya's Theme.
>>344969438
>the P2 dialogue is bad in the gameplay department
>Music is Meg
are you on your phone, anon
>>344949295
The game is not 40 hours long at all, maybe half that. It's a budget title and it shows. What most people love about it is the potential it has. It doesn't come close to it, but if it wasn't such a clearly low-budger release on the DS the game could've been damn amazing.
>>344950778
Cress is literally the localized name, it's awful but it is what it is
>>344968317
>FFV
>V
>DQV
>V
>Persona 3
>3
>Suikoden 1, 2, 5
>1, 2, 5
Your taste in numbers is exquisite, Anon.
Try Phantom Brave, it hits Steam in about a week or so.
>>344948367
This. My GOAT jrpg, and I've played a hell of a lot. Trails in the Sky is simply fantastic.
>>344939253
busy rhyming with "oh no nigger"
>>344969438
I think P2EP's battle system is excellent. I like how you can manipulate turn order and change personas in battle, I really like fusion attacks, and there's lots of other things I like like the importance of buffs, eating food for temporary stat boosts, etc. I'm not sure why it gets so much hate. The battle animations could get annoying but you can skip them in EP. I guess there's a lot of menu use? Is that what the problem is?
>>344967926
According to general consensus
>Zero/Ao
More of the same good writing, world building and characters that went into TitS
>Cold Steel
Very bland characters, potentially interesting premise that's far less utilized than it should be because the game attempts to appeal to wider audiences and resorts to very tropey and clichéd writing. Characters are kinda bland and the combat is a step up from previous entries but still not great.
It's funny how there are multiple fake LoH fans/TitS babbys itt who don't even recognize the standard acronym for the game they pretend to love.
Every franchise has to have its worst fanbase I guess.
>>344970047
don't you have eops to complain about
>>344956653
shit sucks.
>JRPG
Now that's the thread I can relate to.
>>344936052
Bravely Default and Bravely Second.
SPOILERS AHEAD. NOT PLOT SPOILERSJust grow a pair of balls and don't complain about repeating stuff, they're one of the best battles of the game.
>>344969541
Yeah, I didn't notice it autocorrected 'meh'. My bad.
>>344969880
Everything you've mentioned was done better by other JRPGs, both nowadays and at the time of P2's release. It's not challenging, it's too slow to be fun (even with animations skip on and especially considering the shitty encounter rate). It's just really underwhelming for a game under the MegaTen umbrella. P1 was at least so stupidly broken it was kinda funny. P3 and 4 are both easy but combat is quick and flows well enough to not get too stale. P2's is stale from the beginning.
>>344970214
no no no NO NO NO NO NO NO
>>344970126
Evil oriental penis shoguns?
Those are concerning.
>>344970269
Inside of yourself:
yes yes yes YES YES YES YES YES YES!
>>344970246
Guess it's a matter of preference, I prefer P2's gameplay to other Persona games, it has its merits even though it isn't the best battle system ever. P1 is broken like you said and P3&4 are way too simplistic so I find them boring and stale right from the beginning.
>>344970214
Welp, we had a nice thread. Goodnight everyone.
>>344970562
>>344970269
>I'm literally too new and stupid to not reply
You're just as responsible.
(And so am I, but it doesn't bother me.)
>>344938659
Don't listen to this man, he's stupid. P2 are the best Persona games.
>>344936052
Breath of Fire II, OP. Play it.
Jrpg general!
>>344941295
>>344949096
These plus Breath of Fire II.
>>344970871
My nigga.
>all these kattbros and jrpgbros
Based.
>>344949096
>Legend of Dragoon (criminally underrated)
>Greatest Hits sales
>mentioned every jrpg thread
>also mentioned literally every obscure games thread, even though it isn't, because LoD fans are special snowflakes
It really isn't underrated at all.
Especially since it's the epitome of a mediocre, bland, boring, generic 3D jrpg.
>>344971235
Np, familia. Always love me some jrpgbro for serious discussion.
Who is this samefag
You really need to play terranigma.
>>344971358
You like the girl too?
>>344971243
True but I'd still take that over a clusterfuck of retardation and awful ideas like FF8 any day.
>he fell for the Persona 2 is good meme
As much as people want you to believe it is not really a good game
>>344971593
100% agree with you there.
>>344971465
It's on my backlog, though I don't know what to expect from it. I guess it's sort of like Ys or Mana? Do you need to fight enemies and level up or is it more about dodging a boss' attacks and wearing him down?
>>344971593
Well it's not like people are claiming FF8 is great either.
And FF8 has god-tier music and an interesting setting so it's not without good points. The junction system ended up a horrible mess but I think it had some potential.
>>344971918
The problem with VIII is that the music and setting are all it ever had going for it.
The plot, cast, dialogue are all a hot mess and junction/draw are just tedious, unfun and too easy to break.
>>344939196
>>344939808
>>344944072
>>344942184
>>344961629
>>344964326
>>344967156
Did Victor Ireland start posting on /v/ or something? I didn't realize Lunar fans were this fuckin' delusional.
Any srpg bros around?
>TO
>FFT
>Shining Force
>Front Mission
>Langrisser
>Arc the Lad
It hurts that they're all dead or gone to shit now.
>>344972565
SRW OG coming next month, in english
>>344972565
I'm around. My favourites are
Front Mission
Langrisser
Growlanser
Fire Emblem
SMT Devil Survivor
Valkyria Chronicles
Tactics Ogre
Unfortunately most are dead, but I have hope that there will be another Devil Survivor and Valkyria Chronicles.
I don't like SRW or NIS games very much but I suppose those are doing fine.
I heard the hyperdimension noire srpg is OK so maybe I'll give that a try.
>>344972923
>I heard the hyperdimension noire srpg is OK so maybe I'll give that a try.
It's unremarkable, but somewhat enjoyable if you're in the mood for a tactical RPG.
You might look into Wild Arms XF, Gungnir, or Yggdra Union if you haven't already played them.
>>344953694
Kind of late but actually, turn-by-unit speed games are far more broken than turn-by-team because usually what happens is that speed becomes the end be all stat and we get games like FFT and TO where slow classes or builds are actively hurting your performance later on.
Turn by team systems while still easy (but that's a problem most srpgs have after a good while in their games) usually give weaker/lighter classes more movement which allows them to get to key points and side objectives faster while the rest of your team crosses the map.
Anyone here play the Luminous Arc games and Stella Glow?
Those were fun.
>>344972697
I know. And an upcoming mainline English title.
Probably won't get OG because I don't support Asian-English releases. I believe they're counteractive to getting an actual Western release.
Might get the mainline title, since those will never be released here anyway due to licensing.
SRW was never that great. The gameplay is just ok and the writing sucks, especially in OG. But I do shamelessly love giant robots.
>>344972923
Nippon Ichi, Compile Heart, Idea Factory and Intelligent Systems srpgs are all pretty bad.
And I wouldn't touch another nepshit game regardless of genre. Won't make that mistake again.
Devil Survivor is great though.
>>344972565
love arc the lad. any other srpgs like this? more like traditional/srpg hybrids?
>>344974049
LA3 is shit
glad i never came across that horse shit
Still waiting on Romancing SaGa 2 Vita. Don't fail me now.
>>344974049
I played luminous arc 2. The gameplay was rather dull. I tried a bit of Stella Glow but it seemed like more of the same.
>>344974248
I dunno about arc the lad but when I think of "traditional/srpg hybrids" I think of Growlanser.
>>344974351
yeah, that's what I'm thinking of. honestly, most rpgs could benefit having a grid based battle system.
>>344972565
What do people think about Vandal Hearts? I'm playing through it right now and it's pretty fun so far.
>>344974460
God no, it would make standard battles take longer than they should.
Think if you are playing Pokemon and you are in the caves and you hit a random encounter with a Zubat and you have to navigate a bunch of tiles to either fight or run.
>>344974049
Played LA 1 and 2 and Stella.
Wouldn't bother picking any of them up again for a replay.
Summon Night series does what the dox better.
JRPG's have been completely eclipsed by WRPG's
>>344974506
Decent, fun games.
I'm glad someone mentioned Wild Arms XF too. Fun game, liked the mechanics and the unique grid.
Suikoden Tactics had potential with the huge amount of units to recruit but fell kinda flat. Still fun.
Jeanne d'arc is pretty solid, so is Stella Deus.
Also agree with the guy who said Gungnir and Yggdra Union. Also, Knights in the Nightmare.
Eternal Poison is great if you want a solid plot and punishing, unforgiving unit management. It doesn't hold your hand or let you just grind to win. If you suck at team management, you will lose.
>>344974635
>Summon Night series does what the dox better.
What exactly does Summon Night do better? I thought Summon Night 5 was better than Luminous Arc but it was still pretty bad.
>>344970246
> P1 was at least so stupidly broken
Both versions? Haven't played it but Portable is supposedly updated and has some new dungeons.
Summon Night is a dead series. Everyone has fond memories of SN3 so they dealt with 4 and 5, and then 6 was just AYYY ALTERNATE DIMENSIONS LOOK WE BROUGHT ATY BACK, YOU LIKE ATY DONTCHA?
Sad
>>344974351
Stella Glow's strength is in the character interaction and the OST. The gameplay's rather by the numbers for an SRPG but it manages to get it just right if on the easy side.
>>344974635
The only good Summon Night games are the GBA spinoffs.
>>344970246
SMT 1-3 are easy too. It's a meme to say otherwise.
1 and 3 are as easy to cheese as P2 with key demons and buffs, and 2 is even easier to cheese than P1 with status bullets and elemental swords.
So how many of you played games from the 7th Dragon series?
>>344975046
not in terms of waifus. that's all that matters.
>>344975046
this and it kills me. JRPGs held onto their cliches too long and didn't innovate enough. now the only JRPGs I want to play are classic ones that did it best.
>>344976097
I think people are referring to the block minigame when they say Nocturne is hard. I ragequit at that and haven't picked it up since. .
>>344975525
>Summon Night is a dead series.
It's looking pretty lively considering they just released a new game.
>>344976638
Langrisser also just released a new game and it's sure as hell dead.
Worst srpg I've ever played.
>>344951586
Bravely Default was shit. Even if you ignore the lame story+characters the gameplay is brainless garbage.
>>344976939
This. Shameless turbo weeb/otaku/nostalgia cash-in.
Awful plot, dialogue and cast and the gameplay is just an easy mode version of FFV. The Bravely system made it way too easy and exploitable.
Not to mention the hideous look of the game.
They tried to copy FFV 20 years later and made it worse.
>>344968819
There are two japanese versions of Return of Werdna.
>>344936887
>Fire Emblem Path of Radiance
>Painfully easy entry in babby's second srpg series.
What did I miss that made it easy? I've only played Shadow Dragon, Sacred Stones, Path of Radiance, and Awakening, and I found Path of Radiance to be the hardest of those.
