Alright /v/. Which was the superior arena shooter and why? Compare and contrast.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10736408
Quake, the jerky movement of UT is pure fucking trash.
UT has better weapons
Q3 crushes UTC. Should've used UT2k4, it has at least some chances.
Quake is just another twitch shooter while UT requires tactics
>>344863394
Never actually played pickup TDM matches.
Quake is my favorite MOBA
>>344863178
Quake III
I've been playing both since they were released. The quake matches are still enjoyable but the ut matches are boring me to death nowadays
idk but quake just feels so fresh and modern
get this mod btw http://www.moddb.com/mods/high-quality-quake/downloads/hqq-high-quality-quake-v3t
and this mappack: https://mega.nz/#!4ZAiyDqA!q1R4Dqr4RLd2VrimlqRNbea5AVcD-u1wiEwSTt_pW1Q
UT was superior in everything except accessibility and that's what let Quake 3 dominate the market.
>>344863178
Quake for DM , UT for CTF or Domination or Warfare.
UT DM works well just it wasnt fast enough.
Votes tied 10 to 10. Pretty divided opinions.
>>344863178
UT is the Mortal Kombat to Q3A's Street Fighter 2.
>>344864447
An apt comparison. I think Quake was more complex mechanically but UT had more content and was more focused on tactical teamplay.
UT
Which is going to be the superior arena shooter, UT4 or Quake Ch...
oh, right. kek.
>>344866038
I don't know this meme
which one do you think it's gonna be?
>>344863178
Quake 3 is too spartan in design for me.
UT has low speed, high acceleration movement that results in very annoying strafe dancing. Feels cheap.
Quake's gunplay and movement feels better
but that UT soundtrack though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikBknk5Rf_Q
>>344866087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa-6fQyNkZo
OBJECTIVE OPINION COMING THROUGH.
Quake 3
>tighter mechanics
>more consistent gameplay
>more utilitarian map design
>better netcode
>more varied characters
UT
>more wacky, fun gameplay
>better music
>more interesting weapons
>more colourful and varied maps
>lower entry threshold
>better sequels/expansions (barring UT3)
If you disagree,I'M ON YOUR SIDE, IDIOT!!!
>more varied characters
What about Skaarj?
>>344866538
>UT 2004 has tons of characters
>UT3 looks like Gears of War with about as much variety
>UT4's in alpha so it has fuckall of anything
Emphazis on graphics was a mistake
>>344866538
They're just discount Predators. Q3 has crazier characters by comparison.
But who would win in a 1 on 1 deathmatch, Sarge or Malcolm? My money is on Malcolm. 9 time champ.
>>344863178
I'm not big fan of genre, but I liked UT more.
So I guess people who like this genre prefer quake.
Quake is arguably more competitive.
UT is much better for FFA and team based gamemodes and just in general messing around in.
I'm going to say quake purely because it actually has a fucking CTF mode; the translocator is the biggest cancer to team games I have ever fucking seen.
>>344866718
That nobody plays because their hitboxes are too large.
>>344867884
You can disable the translocator when hosting though. And UT also has CTF.Although I aggree with you, the translocator is shit.
>>344867884
But you can't use it while carrying a flag.
>>344868137
As australian, the luxury of enough people for multiple populated CTF servers is non existent, and the majority of people seem to be retarded and like it.
>>344868286
But it eliminates the process of actually defending an area. Stopping the enemy getting to your flag has a massive decrease in viability, instead it becomes all about chasing them down after they've inevitably got it.
This robs CTF of the territory control aspect that is a key part of what makes it fun.
>>344868486
Well for one maps in UT are rarely designed so that you'd be able to shoot translocator beacon at the flag position, for second, it's pretty obvious so enemy team can just kill you the moment you land on the flag and lastly you can shoot the flying beacon denying the teleportation.
>picked up UT3
>starring DoMarcus from Gears
>some forced war story with the relatives of the boss from Gears 2
UT3 was so weird to me.
UT/UT2k4 is too slow and the movement tricks are not fun.
I also don't like the secondary fire thing. I don't know why but I'd prefer two weapons.
Movement and gunplay just feels way better in Quake 3. And I like the gothic aesthetic and the characters more.
UT has better music though
>>344868672
Yeah, the flag itself, sure. You cannot stop an approach to the flag. There's no keeping them out of your base, no pushing them back. This also means there's little real interesting flanking or alternate routes to be taken.
>>344868842
>You cannot stop an approach to the flag
Biorifle
>>344863178
UT has literally always been alive this whole time
Quake died after 3 and only NOW FINALLY is coming back with Champions
advantage: UT
>>344869057
>UT has literally always been alive this whole time
You have brain problems.
>>344868842
But it means there's some really interesting ways around the map using the translocator, you can circle enemy position over bottomless pits by subsequent translocation, or utilize some tiny vent above to throw beacon through it. Honestly I don't see how you think it's a bad thing to have in game, just because it stops strategies you're familiar with being viable, when it just opens up new possibilities.
>>344863178
Fuck off. I played both competitively.
Instead of shitting on eachother you should lament the fact that games like these do not exist anymore or grab the same among of attention as they used to in the past.
Why the fuck are you trying to stir shit between old guards?
>>344869189
>Fuck off. I played both competitively.
Proof or GTFO.
>>344869189
The only way to keep a thread up on neo-/v/ is to antagonize people or post blatant clickbait.
>>344869189
>lament the fact that games like these do not exist anymore
>what is
>UT4
>Quake Champions (to be fair I guess the trailer isn't gameplay but com'on)
>>344869517
>Quake Champions
MOBA
>>344869517
There are plenty of games like that. Nexuiz, Warsow, Cube, Xonotic, Toxikk, Alien Arena, Open Arena, Sauerbraten to name a few. Does anyone play them? No. Does anyone want them? No. People think they do, but when they come out, nobody actually plays them.
i'll say quake 3 is the most perfect a shooter can get. it just fucking works. this being said, i sank far more hours into UT99/2k4 than Q3/live, though i've never once played either one online until a holiday last year where i played a couple rounds of UT99 in the UK.
i prefer the settings of UT, the characters of UT, the creativity of UT, and the visuals of UT, but Q3 just can't be fucking beaten in arena shooter gameplay no matter which way you slice it.
UT has party modes like assault, LMS, domination, but at a fundamental level the gunplay, movement, and action of Q3 is utterly outstanding. even these days i just can't fault it on anything. it does what it does absolutely flawlessly.
i regret a little never playing the online of any of them, but i think that it would've just corrupted baby-sized me faster than browsing the internet and gradually getting into shittier online games has, not to mention the fact that i'd be ruthlessly crushed by anyone i don't know in person (moba chumps like me).
>>344869189
compare and contrast doesn't sound like shit-stirring, just seeking opinions in a way that engages both sides.
>>344869189
Mods actively ban videogame discussion that isn't retarded clickbait here.
>>344869517
Quake Champions is a class based team shooter/hero shooter, not an arena shooter
>>344869831
>Bunch of nobodies make a game
>Nobody plays them
Whudathunkit
>>344870130
Explain Undermeme. I guess the difference is that arena shooters are too hard for tumblr whales.
>>344870130
>B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but they don't have a BIG NAME attached to them, that's why they fail!
>>344869517
>>344869639
>>344870073
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvDyLCadGGY
For what it's worth, here's an interview with someone who knows things about Quake Champions. I don't remember what he says exactly, but I'm pretty sure there's something along the lines of 'really guys it isnt a moba'.
>>344870325
That's literally the case
>>344863178
UT
>Better soundtrack
>Weapon alt fires
>Reedeemer
>More game modes
>Armor system (subjective)
>More varied maps
>UT4 coming up
Q3A
>Tighter gameplay
>Skill based movement (Dodging is good, but doesn't compare)
>Better designed maps (Subjective)
>Railgun
>Will never die
I know I sound biased, but I love them both to death.
Hope UT4 turns out great.
>>344870334
>interview
I don't give a fuck. Show, don't tell
>>344870334
Yeah Tim made it very clear it's not a moba. But he also made it clear that you can pick different characters with different attributes and abilities. For example, it's confirmed that you can pick a big guy with more health. So to me, it's not an arena shooter for sure, because players don't all start with equal footing. Not really a fan of class based gameplay so I will try the beta and probably skip this one
>>344870553
>It's not a MOBA
>It just has everything a MOBA does
UT has literally better everything except for the movement system. Better maps, music, art direction, sounds, bot AI, gameplay modes, weapons, but the dodge shit and clunky movement without preservation of momentum feel awful.
>>344863178
Quake 3 is the best competitive shooter.
UT2k4 is best game.
>>344870624
>class based shooters are a moba thing now>even though they originated in a fucking quake mod
>>344863178
I prefer UT but you can't go wrong with either of them.
Anybody who thinks one is good and one is garbage probably hasn't actually played either of them for a significant amount of time.
>>344870553
UT2003 had different stats for different characters just the same way and people absolutely hated it and it was removed from the core gameplay in UT2004. That's what the 'species statistics' mutator does in UT2004, you know, the one nobody ever uses. Why do people suddenly want it? Because they watched Blizzard's faux-Pixar character introductions?
>>344870624
Well it's already confirmed it's going to have deathmatch and rocket jumping, pretty sure it will be FPS, but like I said it's a hero shooter which was nicknamed MOBA FPS already as a genre name
>>344863178
Arena shooters you say? Help me choose then:
Zowie Za12
Logitech Proteus Core
>>344863178
UT is better
>>344871030
I've heard good things about Zowie, pretty sure Quake pros and also Fatal1ty use Zowie mice
>>344870553
Visor having wallhacks is already a huge what-the-fuck to me. Better be a puritan mode for no classes, all equals, but by the way he presents it, it sounds like there already will be.
>>344870298
Undertale wasn't made by a nobody. It was made by some dude behind Homestuck who knew exactly how all of these content-starved crazies thought, and exactly what they wanted. It was a class fucking act with perfect execution that was primed to snatch up all of the lost tumblr souls that andrew hussie and all that left in the dust by giving them everything they wanted for only $15 and 10% off. That wasn't some game made by a nobody, it was possibly the most efficient videogame business move I can think of in terms of money for nothing. Those kickstarter dollars sure didn't go into the game, and holy fucking shit did he ever get a payout at launch.
>>344870624
>what is team fortress
Oh right not a moba
Yes it's l i t e r a l l y called Champions but it's hardly a top-down tower-defense with round-scope level-up mechanics like every moba that's called a moba
>>344871230
>Multiplayer
>Online
>Battle
>Arena
Yeap, TF2 is a MOBA
>>344871230
I'd imagine duel will disable classes, and you seriously can't have Quake without duel, but then again the new DOOM didn't have duel and was completely team focused so who knows. QuakeCon starts on the 4th, I can be patient
Online Chess is a MOBA because it has online multiplayer with players battling each other in an arena. That """genre""" name is as moronic and vague as 'adventure games'.
>>344871230
>Undertale wasn't made by a nobody. It was made by some dude behind Homestuck
Nigger what?
It was made by an autist deep into the 'weird' rpg-maker lowfi jrpg subculture making the same shit he'd always made. But undermeme happened to be completely inoffensive while still being emotional, combined with /v/ marketing made it a guaranteed success.
If you consider yourself a fan of arena shooters, you have zero excuse for not downloading UT4 and aiding its development by posting feedback on the forums to make sure it's exactly the game you hoped to play.
>>344871879
>you have zero excuse for not downloading UT4
UT2k4 has more content
>>344871954
UT2K4 isn't free though
>>344872230
It's cheap as dirt
>>344872230
steam unreal deal pack has been about $2 many, many times in the past, unless i'm confusing it with supreme commanders. it may as well be free, along with the rest of the unreals.
>>344872484
Unreal Deal was 6 euros at cheapest
>>344873024
correct, though i'm sure you can understand 6 years is a while to forget a price tag.
>>344870450
>More varied maps
>playing only vanilla maps
what are community made maps?
>>344874427
I'm judging both on their own merit.
I'm not counting any mutators, community maps, etc.
>>344867482
Malcolm would beat Sarge for sure, but if we're talking final boss vs final boss I'm not really sure how Xan or Malcolm would stack up against Xaero.
I think it'd depend on the map.
>>344876448
Who even is Xaero? Why do the team models have his face ripped off and replaced with a mask?
Why does he turn into a statue in the credits?
Why?
>>344876776
Because the Vadrigar are fucking retards.
UT because that game has actual weapon variety which lends itself to actual different strategies and styles of play.
Meanwhile every weapon in Quake 3 is a variation of shooting at a point.
Unreal Tournament is an actual game. Quake 3 is a medium for the kinds of dipshits that like to brag about how good they are at video games (they assume other people care, you see) to compare their e-peens.
By the same token Counter-Strike is for people with questionable kdeas on "fun".
>>344876776
Why do bloody red gibs come out of Xan if he's a robot.
Truly UT and Q3 have the deepest lore, someone call Vaati so he can explain it all for us.
>>344876989
you're embarrassing everyone in this conversation
>>344877121
Ingame they say that there are rumors that xan isJehri Liandriin a combat suit, which is later debunked since they confirm XAN is in fact the leader of the miner robot uprising.
>>344863178
Wow the voting is really close
>>344863178
I grow up playing UT, and only recently got into quake, but it's clear quake is the better game.
UT is still the more fun game out of the two.
Marathon.
>>344877121
Isn't Xan just a guy in a suit?
Or is he literally upgrading himself with the latter iterations of the suit?
>>344863178
Quake
UT has more content out of the box but quake is fundamentally superior
>>344877121
UT actually has some pretty amusing and sometimes interesting flavor text.
quake 1 you fucking niggers
>>344877321
I always thought that the rumor in the first game was true and that Jehri just retired after you beat him since he could no longer be the best, even with the combat suit.
Then Liandri developed a new robot to replace him (Xan Mk.2) in the coming tournaments. He sucked ass though and couldn't beat Malcolm. To preserve Xan's record as best they could, they retired this model saying that "he was going to be out for a few seasons to be refit and tuned".
It wasn't until the mining uprising that they found a robot that actually was on par with the past champions.
They just wiped his memory and called him Xan Mk.4 and sent him to the tournament.
Each Xan is a different competitor entirely.
>>344877792
I loved reading the lore on each of the arenas before the fight. It was nice even if said lore changed from game to game.
>>344878578
Yeah. The guy you fight 1 on 1 on the first match appears in a later match, and they say he's super pissed at you.
>>344879023
I think I remember that.
It wasn't Toe Cutter or Barktooth I think, but it was near or in the match with those two late in the game that that character appears again.
>>344863178
UT had more depth to the weapons, more game modes, better map variety, and mutators to further mix things up.
All Q3A had was better graphics.
>>344871230
>gg
>not HUUH
>>344880634
HUH HUH HUH HUH HUHspeedrunning back to page one
UT 2004 was easily way more fun than quake 3. Soo many great maps and modes, and mods. Quake 3 can't compete
Quake 3 was only better in terms of 1v1 competitive matches.
>>344870624
So you did not play Team Arena
Fuck off retarded ignorant
>A game have abilities or characters
>It's a moba
Fucking 12yo kids don't know shit about games
>Always wondered what the Quake symbol was
>watch gameplay of ET:QW
>It's just a portal
Huh.
>>344884930
It's a stylized Q
>>344863178
UT was better.
The weapons felt very ineffective in Q3 and UT just had more overall variety.still played more Quake since all my friends liked it more
UT>Q3
UT2k4>Q4
ET:QW>UT3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLgSo90JhAQ
