Daily reminder that normalfags will never EVER take over RTS and RTT games
Feels extremely good man
>>344863090
You're right.
These genres also happen to be dead.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>344863158
>HAHAHAHAHA WE SHOULD LET THEM DESTROY OUR HOBBIES XDDD
The game in my pic came out last year dumbass
we need a proper vietnam men of war, not the shit they already pooped out
Which Men of War game is the best for singleplayer?
>>344863090
We'll just sell them to the pinkos instead
>>344863090
Whats RTT?
>>344863158
Thats a meme you dip.
>>344865063
Real-Time Tactics
>>344864721
>they
You mean another studio that just bought the rights to the engine for one game?
The creators of MoW did not make a Vietnam yet, it was another studio.
>>344865159
nah man its men of war so it counts
>>344864841
Red Tide
tfw everyone thinks tbs/tbt is japshit
I thought the same thing about my favorite genre, roguelikes. But then roguelites came around.
Careful friend, nothing is sacred. If strategy games are too difficult to take over, they'll just dumb them down until they're a hair's length away from shit like mobas.
>>344863090
>not the World at War mod
You're doing it work OP
>>344863090
Best ww2 RTS, even if it's flawed.
Company of heroes a shit
BYLAT
Genres normalfags will never be able to enter:
RTS
Grand Strategy
Fighting Games
Dungeon Crawlers
Hentai games
Anything else?
>>344863090
ASSFAGGOTS already did that.
>>344865775
Casuals have ruined Paradox grand strategy though.
>>344865726
not OP but i like both, MoW is definetily the more "hardcore" version with more need for strategy/tactics rather than just buildorder and countering shit.
>>344865775
>GS
Its too late.
Just look at EU4 and HOI4.
>>344865570
Enthusiast roguelikes are doing as well as ever, though. Hell, even many of the genre-defining classics like NetHack (latest update in last December) and Angband (April 17) are being maintained at some level at least, never mind all of their variants or less canonical but nonetheless good eternity project (like UnReal World, originally released in 1992 but still being actively developed).
>>344865775
All of those have already been ruined one way or another, even if we don't know it yet.
>>344863090
what game anon?
>>344865775
>sandbox MMOs
>actual role playing games (ss13, furcadia, prologue server)
>>344865726
Wow
With your shitpost we are officially RTS General
>>344865913
>Unreal World
I should really play that.
I never managed to survive the winter.
>>344863090
>muh coh, muh men at war normies talking about normalfags
do you even fucking close combat or combat mission?
>>344866084
GATEWAY TO CHAEEEEEEEN
>>344865775
Hex and counter wargames
>>344865735
reminder that mobas require more skill than RTS games
They've been gutting the Total War series for years though. The shitty campaign map we're left with and DotA style gameplay makes Gaius the Harsh weep.
>>344865775
It's already over, Anon.
>RTS
MOBA
>Grand Strategy
EU and HoI4
>Fighting Games
Smash
>Dungeon Crawlers
The entire ARPG genre
>Hentai games
Non-hentai VNs on Steam
>>344866084
>not playing superior graviteam tactics
burn in hell, casual shit
>>344865775
>Dungeon Crawlers
They're called DRPGs now newfriend :^)
Mobas are to RTS what cawadooty is to shooters.
>>344863090
That's because they're shit though, literally nobody enjoys RTS, it doesn't sell at all. That's the only reason there are no RTS on console
>>344865962
One of the Men of War assault squads
>>344866436
>>344866220
REEE GET OUT
>>344866306
but that's just another failed close combat/ combat mission clone
>>344866436
Can you imagine trying to play an RTS with a controller? How fucked would that be?
>>344866436
How would you even be able to play RTS on console?
>>344866250
The second latest game, Attila, was the most involved game vanilla both on the campaign map and battles, though.
That isn't to say older games didn't have some advantages (for example, I think the recruitment pool-based system as seen in Medieval 2 would fix many issues in later games, spamming top-tier units and such like) or some of their systems had more depth (for example, trait and retinue acquisition system most definitely has more intrinsic depth than talent trees but most of it takes place behind the scenes rather than affecting your decision-making: you might pay attention to stuff like 80%+ happiness causing poor with taxes trait but deliberately almost killing your general for HP buff probably isn't something you'd consciously attempt due to risk of losing the general being involved) but Attila definitely had more game systems both on the battlefield and campaign map, in addition to being more difficult due to less bad AI and other such factors.
>>344866697
Come on, just hand over the VP and your oversized rifles so we can all go home
>>344866436
RTS is the best power fantasy mate.
>>344866697
I miss snipers in halftucks
MG spamming noobs could not suffer its power
>>344866832
what the fuck are you talking, its better in every aspect, just check the reviews...
>>344867015
Say that to my face and not at Hurtgen Forest and see what happens.
>>344867158
Are you trying to trick me?
>>344865843
THIS and dlc whoring.
>>344867362
Yes because Hurtgen is balanced for germans while allies always loose.
>>344865570
why does this matter?
some people make some games that you don't like, and then maybe some games journalism idiots describe them with the same label you use for games you do like
the games you like don't stop existing
>>344866241
Reminder that MOBAs are normalfag cancer and are more casual than FPS games at this point.
>>344865735
Zer is no Dana over here. Only Osttruppen.
>>344867362
I hate fallschirms so much
>>344863090
Starcraft
Age of Empires
>>344863090
>Learn build order
>press buttons faster
>win
RTS
>>344867554
You can count on osttruppen! N-no, really, you c-can!
>>344867491
What if the game makers leave me behind?
Obviously it's not like they're obligated to pander to me, but it's still unpleasant.
>>344867667
Thats the only thing I don't like about MoW. Troops spawning out of nowhere. If you could build your base and create units like in Company of Heroes, the game would be PERFECT.
And keep the casuals the Sam Hill away from the RTS genre. C&C is our ace in the hole, we can't afford to lose it.
>>344865775
You should really check HoI4 my man.
Or don't if you are faint hearted
>>344863090
There's nothing to take over. It's a dead genre.
>>344867810
But buildings in COH literally only serve as teching, only difference is you need to get an engineer back to your base to build it. They might as well be replaced by tech you buy at the HQ and there would be minimal difference in overall gameplay.
>>344863090
They already did
>Fuck, controlling more than one unit at a time is too hard
>I know, let's use controls obviously designed for controlling armies to control only a single hero because i'm fucking stupid
ASSFAGGOTS are the most baffling concept to me
>>344868025
Last patch made it so that units spawn at buildings.
Making them get faster to the battle.
Expect vehicles.
>>344867667
> learn all moves to counter your any of your opponents moves
> win
chess
>first level
>hey this is pretty doable
>yfw this happens
>>344863090
>playing normie RTS
>not playing Autism: The Wargame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlq8suXqbh8
>>344868036
There's plenty of neat games with RTS controls and a single(or several) units.
I still don't understand why everyone and his mother made a shitton of independent moba copies and nobody bothered make full fledged games of the other popular WC3 maps like Transylavnia/Dark Deeds.
>>344867945
Nein, I don't zink so, mein freund.
>>344867810
But this is precisely why it is better than coh
Remove the silly base building resource gathering apm fiesta and you get a proper competition
>>344868025
only soviets and wehr
for brits and usf, they have a big bunch of buildings already, and more of them become 'active' when you buy the upgrade
and for okw (more like ogayw) they have deployable trucks
>>344867667
> run faster
> win
olympic sprinting
>>344868230
Best defence mission I have ever played. It's so intense that I was naturally forming attachments to individual soldiers performing well.
Like at the top right near the little sheds, I had one guy further out than everyone else that would pop people as they came through the sheds.
He fucking sat there as tanks rumbled past him to kill the infantry supporting him.
The guys I position in the factories to the top left all claimed German hats as well.
>>344868452
Don't forget about me~
>>344868230
Best level after the defense of tunis
>getting your separated artillery pieces back to the frontlines using a tractor
Cod I love these little things
>>344868276
Bylat you'll have to get through me if want to bully little tank
>>344868098
And the game didn't drastically change at all, you just drop off your infanterie kompanie/supports weapon kompneya/whatever at the edge of the base and have your grens or maxims arrive slightly faster where they need to be. And that only applies for OH/sov.
Frankly, I liked when units arrived from off map much more, as it allowed for example to support your teammate by having your units spawn on his side, which comes really handy on maps like rails and metal where the southern fuel point and VP get contested all the time.
>>344868376
That was pretty much my point, USF and UKF "basebuilding" is just literally buying tech at HQ to unlock new units. OKW is just a special snowflake.
Afrika Korps with Italian troops expansion for COH2 when?
Just imagine
>Early game Italian infantry
>Italian tankettes
>Mid game German elite infantry
>Panzer IIIs and 88s
A man can only dream
>>344868690
Italians seem like a pretty obvious idea for the next faction.
They lack any heavy armor but so do the brits.
I'd be happy to see them even just as a wermatch commander.
>>344868661
the fact that you call it base building when it's not base building isn't really a good complaint imo
>>344868690
oh man, all those german units we've seen over and over, shifted around another tech tree and slipped into another set of commanders
mfw soviets in africa
>>344866250
>implying the last two, attila and warhammer werent great returns to the classic TW formula and both incredibly successful.
>>344868843
>>344866250
they should've dropped total war after rome. making the same game 30 times is shitty, I can't believe people still buy it
>nobody remembers that wave of boring C&C clones that flooded PC market in 2000-2001 and WW2 RTS flood in 2002-2005
That were periods when RTS went casul. I also blame Red Alert.
>>344868402
>be black
>win
ftfy
>>344868935
I don't remember that many ww2 rts, or that many c&c clones
if you have a list and could say what's wrong with them I'd be pleased
>>344868690
>wanting 1942 shit in a game thats primarily centered around 1945
>>344868690
>afrika korps running around frozen russian villages
Oh well what the hell, the atmosphere the game had was ruined anyway with the addition of WFA and the removal of blizzards.
>>344868829
I don't really follow you there, I wasn't complaining, I was just stating that base building is pretty much glorified teching with the exception of OKW:
>>344869079
oh sorry. we have no disagreement then
>>344868932
i mean the same could be said about any series - but I think youre mistaken if you think the title has gone to shit when the last two are arguably its best entries.
>>344869079
The game was never historical.
Also the removal of blizzards is just another way to casualize the game.
>Sitting comfy behind your lines hoping that your men don't freeze before the T34s arrive
>>344869151
I've not played a total war game since medieval 2. I read about each iteration and the list of changes (this is what we get instead of a new game) is usually just nothing
>>344869219
>Also the removal of blizzards is just another way to casualize the game.
I disagree. Winning the match should depend on the player's skill, not on enviroment conditions. Imagine loosing your VPs and having only 50 points left and a blizzard comes along. You pretty much lost the match not because lack of your skill or better opponent's skill but rather unfortunate timing that you had no control over. Thats why they removed it from automatch.
>>344869079
>>344869219
I really liked blizzards. what was the reason for removing it? probably something like 'our precious twitch esports babies hate fun'
I thought shit like attacking right before or during a blizzard was cool, and trying to keep your guys warm. all fun
they could at least bring it back as an optional thing in automatch, fuck
>>344869389
Yea but if the negative effects of the RNG are in effect for both players, its still balanced.
Shouldn't have lost the vp in the first place.
Post your favorite RTS's/RTT's lads:
>Company of Heroes 1/2
>Supreme Commander Forged Alliance
>Total War Warhammer
>Age of Empires 1/2
>Age of Mythology
>Starcraft 2/Brood war
>>344869497
>RTS
Kohan: Immortal Sovereigns/Ahriman's Gift
>RTT
Myth 2 (you can play Myth 1 campaign and MP maps on the improved engine so 2 is a direct upgrade)
>>344869389
German detected.
normalfags play RTS' all the time, and have since they came out
quit kidding yourself OP
>>344869530
10/10 would play
though I don't what kind of weeb thing you'd replace the americans or soviets with
>>344869497
your list and:
>DoW1/2
>C&C Tiberian sun and Generals
>>344869151
>implying the first two sprite based TW games aren't the best in the series
>>344869219
>>344869460
It was actually removed becuase of the "DUDE MLG LMAO" competitive crowd that frequent the forums.
I don't know, I really liked the lulls in the fighting when you huddled all your men around camp fires to keep them from freezing.
>>344869389
With that same reasoning you could argue that vehicle armour should be removed as a mechanic. I mean, an IS2 bouncing three pak shots when he's one penetrating hit away cannot be influenced by the player either. COH series will never be a highly competitive game, and I don't know why people expect it to be.
>>344869530
>Check the workshop for some faceplates
>99,99% anime girls faceplates
>>344869497
>RTS
Settlers IV
>RTT
Does Jagged Alliance 2 count?
If not its Full Spectrum Warrior.
![Muh+freedom+_1373050c558641dd28970c68cf45b480[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/zv13RQz.png "Muh+freedom+_1373050c558641dd28970c68cf45b480[1].png")
>>344869647
Something like this for America.
>>344869647
American flag bikinis and sweater+pantyhose.
>>344869735
wehraboos and weaboos go hand in hand
>>344869750
those look like nazi guns
>>344869781
I've always wondered why
GERMAN STEEL
>>344869882
God germans are SO op.
>>344869497
Sins of a Solar Empire really doesn't get enough love around here.
That game is fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXzt_Hbk-fc
>>344869936
I actually love that game, forgot to mention it.
Only problem is how long the games go on for, it takes forever to do anything and gets pretty boring
>>344868690
what about a japanese expansion?with battleships aswell
>>344868690
The game is currently set in late war there's no way Italy or Japan would be able to play.
The only possible way for the Wops and Japs to exist at this point is to bring out experimental or blueprint weapons.
>>344870016
>automatch soviets
>semois vs japs
>they put a battleship in the river
>>344870016
Literally no one wants this.
>>344865875
>>344866268
>>344867881
whats wrong with HOI4?
Using the Spearhead mod in CoH2 made the Brummbar my favorite tank. Okay it doesn't have the best speed, armor, range, but the sheer destruction the pomf gun can deliver is hilarious.
I wish it was in War Thunder already.
post your first RTS
>>344866436
>no RTS on console
>halo wars
>R.U,S,E
>>344870195
Taking out blobs with that thing is amazing.
>>344869779
>American flag bikinis and sweater+pantyhose.
>>344870190
follow the reply chain my man
it's easy to understand
quite a pity with hoi4 in all honesty, they didn't widen the playerbase at all with all that sacrifice to appeal to a wider audience
>>344869882
so whats your favorite CoH dialogues?
>ha they're scratching your paint job helmut
>>344870195
I thought it had pretty decent armour?
maybe not on par with the ridiculous vetted panther armour you're used to
>>344870190
>Casualized as FUCK
>AI is retarded, even on historical focuses it does random shit
>There whole game is based around NOT microing your armies, instead leave them to the devices of the AI
>New military factory system is cool but the trade system is pants on retarded
>Need 1 steel
>Forced to buy 8
>The other 7 doesn't stockpile
>Removed any political or espionage action
>Removed money
I could go on and on and on...
Played CoH yesterday with a friend
The first, superior one
Realize it never got better than that
It will never get better than CoH
Feels bad man. At least i was blessed with such an incredible game for so long. CoH2 a shit. DoW2 a shit. DoW3 will be shit.
>>344870251
>Spearhead comp stomp with friends
>let the Brummbar loose
>400 kills
>>344869030
Well, I don't have a list, but still there was Sudden strike, Soldiers: Heroes of World War II and Blitzkrieg - with literally millions of add-ons, and thats for starters. Tons of games about operation is Normandy like Axis & Allies. Some of them were good, some were shit, but EVERYBODY played it.
C&C clones - well, you got me here - I do not remember titles besides Dark Reing 1 & 2, second Z game, Earth 2150, State of War and and because is was like 15 years ago and almost all of them was the same - build a base, gather all of your power with mouse and send them to destroy enemy base. Boring, especially when compared to games like Startopia.
>>344870446
What's wrong with CoH2 that isnt wrong with CoH?
>>344863090
Hourly reminder the genre is dead.
>>344869750
>america
>german guns
something is inconsistent
>>344870195
>Spearhead
>2 PIAT hits knock out a King Tiger
>T34/85 100% accuracy across the map with 1 hit kill any German medium armor
>Sturmtiger able to shoot from middle of the map directly on to opponent's base
>Pak36 sniping 2 models (soliders) per shot
>German's disguised USF unit being able to wipe out any Allied infantry without them shooting back because its "undercover"
LOLZ REALISM FTW, AM I RITE GUISE? xDDD
Blitzkrieg for COH1 was something. Spearhead is just shit.
>>344870202
>get kicked from every lobby because i was level 1
>always played skirmish
good times
>>344870409
>That on scratched the paint work!
>Just like driving down old Bobbington aye?
>MOVE YOU CAST IRON BITCH!
>>344870202
>>344870409
>If a mouse FARTS in this god damned minefield, i want its ass blown SKY HIGH
>Pride of the Fatherland
>Volksgrenadiers ready, for what's worth...Try not to shoot each other on the foot ok?
>"Tnickalow?", Williams, weapons and ammo
>>344870409
>The Red Army is filled with heroes!
>mfw
>world war 1/2 RTS
>"xxx of heroes" RTS
reason only the most neckbearded autists play it is cause the genre fucking sucks.
what could possibly be fun about a "realistic tacticool" rts with no base building and shit.
>>344870202
>>344870819
Whats the point in going into threads just to post a contrarian opinion?
>>344870819
>what could possibly be fun about good gameplay
fuck off
>>344870927
for replies of course
>>344870576
>any COH """realism""" mods
>good
I mean, for fucking around with buddies it's alright, but balance wise they're always pure dog shit.
>>344870536
The pacing and feel of the game is completely different, for starters, but to make it short:
Somehow you play CoH and CoH2 and CoH LOOKS BETTER than the sequel. The models are pretty, the textures are sharp, and the explosions, effects and physics are incredible. In CoH2 everything looks like the default explosion of Source Engine.
The sound in CoH2 is like a fat guy blowing through a pipe. Everything sounds muffled and not crisp enough.
The dialogues in CoH were full of little details and charm to each faceless soldier. The characterization was so good it felt like a DoW1 sequel in a WW2 setting. IT was impressive.
The meta of the game shifted a lot in CoH1, but it was more about positioning and controlling a map. CoH2 feels like a mixture of SC2 with cover mechanics, lots of rushing without the fine pacing the first had.
Literal p2w mechanics on an RTS game filled with DLC. They adressed it but it's not the same.
>>344870409
"ENGINEERS, EYES AN EARS"
>>344871073
>>any mods
>>good
>I mean, for fucking around with buddies it's alright, but balance wise they're always pure dog shit.
fixed
>>344870819
probably the fact that you get to focus on the fun part of the gameplay; the actual fighting.
>>344871178
>he never played the DoW/DoW2 mods that made the balance not a complete fucking joke
>>344870536
It's the first time i've been impressed at how a sequel can manage to look worse than a 10 year old game.
>>344871347
well there is that. if there's a niche a modder will fill it and if the game is balanced badly you better believe if someone can mod it they will and try to get people to see it their way
There needs to be another world in conflict
>>344871407
got any comparison pics to back up your hot opinions?
>>344870574
She's in japan. They don't sell American guns there.
>>344863090
It must feel great that your favorite genre is keeping casuals and fags away. Cheers to you.
>>344870536
Everything has already been mentioned, but I gotta add - optimisation.
I can run COH1 on high details in 4 vs 4 at 45-55 FPS, but god forbid I run COH2 on anything other than low to draw barely 35-40 FPS
>>344865775
>Grand Strategy
Getting more and more "accessible" every year
>Fighting Game
Open Twitch
>Dungeon Crawlers
What is Diablo 3
Only RTS's are safe (for now).
>>344865726
CoH is extremely sick. MoW is OK but anyone who plays it obsessively definitely falls somewhere on the extreme end of the 'huge autistic fag' spectrum. Sorry.
>>344871164
I'll only concede to the the voice acting part , don't know if it's nostalgia talking but COH1 just has more charm in that regard, but everything else, man, you're talking out of your ass.
As for the DLC, it's pretty much fixed with the inclusion of the new drop system, not to mention that most DLC commanders are dog shit anyway.
>>344863317
it's also just a carbon copy with slightly better graphics of a 7 year old game.
Anyway you're a liar, MOWAS2 came out in 2014.
>>344871536
>i can play a 10 year old game on high but cant on a more recent game
do you hear how retarded you sound?
>>344868690
I want this so much. Early game is like soviet spam late game is like OKW elites.
Desert maps with trench warfare, closely packed towns where tnaks cant go through.
It would be great.
>>344870409
"Jesus Conrad, tie your fuckin' laces!"
>>344870409
>Push it in his wound, just make him talk
>Dieters lips stuck on the tube again!
>Wilhelm, are you putting snow in your sandbags?
>>344871624
>most DLC commanders are dog shit
I feel that's not true. I'm not one to play 'le meta xd' shit, but I pretty much see non-standard commanders all the time for really every faction except soviets
I think they just need to rebalance commanders desu, the drop system is fine and having lots of optional shit is cool
>>344871791
A game can't be won with commanders anyway.
Even a King Tiger can be shat upon by base units.
>>344871624
I know you're in love with your game, but all of this is true. Just knock a house down in both games, a wall, a V1 rocket and you'll see CoH1 had better FX and physics.
Another guy said it too. CoH1 looks better than CoH2.
>>344870202
>>344863090
its because we arent nerds with no life.
>>344863090
I'd argue what happened to RTS is even worse than that though, since the genre was bastardized into the shitheap known as MOBA's that normies love the hell out of.
>>344872063
what are you doing here then?
>>344871974
bestest
>>344872123
Aye.Never finished Russia campaign though, to this day
>>344870409
>“We can't take much more of this shit, *inaudible gibberish* awwwwwwww, FUCK!”
>“Ha! What does that moron motorcycle think it's trying to do?”
>“Duffy, fuel, and you're smoking a cigga-fucking-rette!”
>>344870409
>you think this is kinderparty?
>>344871928
that's a pretty ridiculous thing to say
yes, no single unit can clear out the entire map. that doesn't mean they can't be overpowered and tip the balance in your favour a little too much
>>344871961
You're severely delusional if you actually think that.
>>344871436
I really don't understand why there wasn't. It received good sales and was successful. Then it was abandoned.
CoH is a flat out better game than CoH2.
It just is. It's not even close, IMO.
CoH2 has a lot of problems, starting with:
1. Too much indirect fire. Between how immediately everyone gets mortars, and the relative accuracy and power of mortars, and then all of the artillery that's available starting in mid-game, every match feels like the Scheldt now.
2. Handheld flamers in CoH2 are inexplicably bad at cleaning out garrisons, and machine guns switch windows in garrisons too quickly. Between that and the stupid Russian FHQ, the early game becomes a race to grab the building with the best windows.
3. The maps in the automatch rotation are bad, bad bad. This is particularly true in team games, but there are numerous issues with the maps that compound points 1 and 2. They have a fascination with making maps that have you playing for opposite points of the diamond, for instance. Then there are the mud and deep snow terrain features, which are absolutely terrible and discourage offensive play. If you want to discourage someone from pushing on your shit, that's what fucking machine guns, emplacements, armor, wire, and goddamn infantry units are for.
4. Armor costs in the late game are too low compared to fuel income. Late game, the armor just keeps coming. It's like they gave everyone Allied War Machine, except it's actually just that you can build a shitload of fuel caches and keep dumping out more goddamn heavy tanks.
Both games have specific balance issues, but CoH isn't nearly as fundamentally flawed as CoH2 in terms of overall game design. The only thing that sticks out as being incredibly bad core design in CoH is the British faction, and well, Brits are for fucking no-skill blobbing fags, so don't play them.
>>344864841
In my opinion its Faces of War. You get a nice little campaign for each nation, brits, france, us and germany i think it is and its not the recycled garbage like in men of war assault squad. Men of War original i think had a decent campaign too, also has the Dynamic Campaign Generator mod which is a cunt to get to work but worth it once it does. Like the other anon said, red tide is good and so is condemned heroes.
Stay away from Assault Squad and Assault Squad 2 if you want single player though, they are dog shit recycled corridor maps for each nation, just reskinned. Although maybe there is decent steam workshop sp maps out for it by now i'm not sure.
Also to the op, never underestimate normies ability to ruin any genre of games. All it takes is for them to find one simplified formula that catches on and they will spam out copy pasted retard games like you wouldnt imagine.
>>344872880
>soviet fhq
is this really the only specific thing you could come up with
>>344872512
Stop talking to yourself anon.
You're the delusional here. In fact, you don't exist.
>>344872531
Studio got sold to ubisoft to make their "Clancy" games.
>>344873008
I ment to add, ofcourse theres a russian campaign, since its a ruskev dev.
>>344872880
Why do you talk shit when it's obvious you haven't touched the game in probably a year?
>muh mortars are OP
Really man? He'll have one infantry squad less than you, and unless you'd literally only spammed MG teams with poor mobility, something that indirect fire should actually counter, you can simply advance to negate his mortar or get indirect fire of your own. Mortars, after all, are only effective against static targets. I won't even bother with static artillery emplacements, absolute waste of manpower unless you're bombarding a schwere or taking out a british sim city.
>flame weapons
Flame based weapons literally toast shit immediately that's in garrisons or heavy cover, especially vehicle borne flamethrowers. If you don't move the mg out of the garrison the moment you see a flame halftrack/wasp/kv8/whatever it's pretty much a wipe.
>FHQ
I don't remember when was the last time I actually saw anyone use that. It's a gimmick doctrine, and you need doctrinal armor to remain relevant late game as soviets.
>maps
Alright, I'll admit, some maps are absolute dogshit, but that's why you get map vetos.
>Armor costs in the late game are too low compared to fuel income. Late game, the armor just keeps coming
Stop playing 4vs4, it was the same shit in COH1 with fuckhuge armor blobs ramming into each other.
>>344865775
>Fighting Games
>Hentai games
about as normiecore as you can get
>>344863158
Better dead than normie.
>>344870202
Also my first game tied with Secret of Mana
>>344865735
You need light anti-tank support?
>>344871624
The best commanders for Wehrmacht are DLC. Same with USA
>>344871570
Diablo 3 is Hack n' Slash aka HnS albeit it is based off old-school dungeon crawling, but maybe I been out of the loop for too long and people label it as ARPG now.
>>344870409
Everybody inside, set a base of fire from the windows... Conrad, no stealing doilies this time.
>>344873076
I just came up with numerous specific flawed issues with the game, such as the relative power of indirect fire weapons across the board, terrible map design (see: General Mud and Oka River Winter for specific maps that include listed complaints), and the cheapness of late game armor compared to resource income.
I could go on pointing out many issues with CoH2 that have to do with overall gameplay quality, such as the fact that units tend to bunch up in cover more and that even tanks with AP shells can instagib an entire squad pretty easily because of it.
I mean, do you want specific balance complaints? First of all, we're talking about a Relic game that's still being patched, so that's going to swing wildly from one patch to the next. But at this specific moment?
1. US mortars are clearly an issue.
2. The Sturmtiger is pretty ridiculous if the OKW player uses the reverse key. If it's going to be an instakill on whatever it hits, it shouldn't be nearly that accurate.
I mean, compare that to CoH 1, where the only legit complaints about balance are pretty much confined to team games, and the most obvious one (they broke snipers in the final patch) isn't a decisive advantage for either side, since both Wehr and US get that unit.
>>344867362
>haha time for fallschrimjaging
>play with friend
>his baby AT gun can shoot out of fog of war and break all my shit
>I see the gunshots but not the gun itself
>manually aim back
>shot flies over the point I actually want to hit and hits the field 100 meters behind it
>it hits on target when I can actually see it, but when it disappears back into fog of war the reticule flies away
also
>go to throw grenade at AA gun shooting at my men
>men flank gun
>click grenade, click gun
>men see enemy tank crew nearby fixing tank
>take out grenades, instead of throwing them at AA gun 3 grenades are tossed at tank crew
>all men die
Is it me? Am I doing something wrong?
>>344874821
Your friend is basically trolling you by trying to convince you that Men of War is a good competitive multiplayer game, rather than a war porn sandbox in which you murder a billion russian conscripts.
>>344874507
Ostheer is literally the least reliant on doctrines, what are you on about?
I just pick any commander that has spotting scopes.
I've been playing Close Combat with my dad a lot over the summer break on a couple ancient Macs he kept running. It's the best time I've had with video games in years.
>>344874718
>the only legit complaints about balance are pretty much confined to team games
Germans being allowed to pay for vet still makes me mad to this very day.
It's basically "ALLIES MUST WIN IN 20 MINUTES OR GG" - the mechanic. All the kraut has to do is hang on until that sweet, sweet offmap vet 3 tiger that can 1v8 Shermans and that counters its own direct counter (AT guns) because its stupid accuracy and damage can blow the gun.
Not to mention vet 3 Grens with MG42s are fucking spammable.
>lol just don't let him get money for it
Defensive is easier than offensive. Even if you take 3/4s of the map that offmap tiger is only 900 manpower, and if all you're building is MG nests and mortars you'll have plenty of fuel and MP to buy vet. A competent player could save that up even on the back foot.
Allied players have a fucking massive "WIN OR ELSE" hanging over their heads, and they don't even have that strong early game. Volks with MP40s supported by an MG42 squad will devastate rifleman pre-BAR.
>>344872880
the second point of contention you have is literally 100% flat out untrue. Flamers are leagues better than in coh1 at garrisons and the Soviet FHQ has been nerfed so hard its irrelevant.
>>344874718
>complaining about the sturmtiger
how fucking bad can you be my man?
>>344874718
>1. US mortars are clearly an issue.
Hahaha USF mortars saved the whole faction from Rifle + Rifle + Rifle + Rifle tedium.
>>344867581
*telports in a building behind your wounded tank
Pshh...Nozing personnel...kinder
>>344870047
I still want them to bring out experimental stuff anyways, I want my black prince and maus
>>344863090
they will once everyother genre has been exploited for consoles
or it gets popular again
hopefully neither happens
>>344869750
>FG-42
>MG-36
>Murrikah
Is there any RTT games on the horizon besides the ninja one? I really hope that it will turn out to be good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkSoSFn_or4
>>344875521
infiltration units are such fucking bullshit jesus christ, but at least partisans and 4 man commandos are pretty much dogshit after the initial surprise factor, fallschirmjagers can serve as mainline infantry effective at all ranges with vet
>>344875196
Just go airborne and strafe.
That shit was OP.
>>344870409
>PANZERSHRECK, TIME TO UNPIMP HIS RIDE!
>ORDERS RECEIVED, WASTING AMMO! (ordering Knight Cross holder to attack tank)
>Open top tank. Rain. Fucking great engineering.
>>344865735
Roses are red
Violets are blue
I'm stuck on the eastern frontAND SO ARE FUCKING YOU
>>344872880
4vs4 babby detected
>>344875645
>mg36
m8...
RTS games were one of the most popular genres of games in the 90s you stupid fucks
everyone's dad with PC played them, and they were casual as hell and played like shit with winning rarely involving anything but massing your most powerful unit
>>344876340
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
I'm in a tank,And need to poo :(.
>>344875818
>Light infantry mainline infantry
If they are not flanking or attacking basic troops in cover they are fucked
>>344876640
Fuck my bad didn't noticed the barrel somehow.
Except they already have, it just mutated into mobas thanks to them.
>>344875035
bridge too far is the best in the series
sure some of the later ones have new features and slightly better graphics, but cc2 had the best balance of infantry and vehicles and troop buying system
also you have a based dad
>>344875196
>not just playing Blitzkrieg
>>344874718
> The Sturmtiger is pretty ridiculous If it's going to be an instakill on whatever it hits, it shouldn't be nearly that accurate.
but it's not it only one shots anything thats a medium tank or weaker
any call in heavy tanks survive a direct impact with half health and some part of the tank broken, and you have to get pretty close to fire unless it's a high vet level which makes it really easy to flank it on retreat
>>344865775
>Dungeon crawlers are few and far between
Feels bad, man.
>>344876961
You should be sorry, fuckface. How dare you incorrectly identify WW2-era German small arms? Do you know what you've fucking done?
This board is a temple - a haven - for those of us who actually care about some of the most important devices ever made. I bet you didn't know that the MG42 is still in service today, did you punk? I bet you didn't know and that now you do you don't even care. But German small arms from WW2 are the best small arms that have ever been made, and everybody who is anybody knows that, and you should care, because your Amerifat weapons are 1-for-1 copies of the Reich's marvels of engineering. The MG60 that Americans are so proud of is basically the MG42's bastard delinquent child, and the AK47 is an inferior Soviet version of the indisputably single greatest weapon ever made, the STG-44. In fact the stamped receivers of the STG-44 were folded so many times that they were harder than steel, a technique that the Soviets couldn't copy, which is why despite being exactly the same design AK-47s are as reliable as your erection whereas STG-44s are as reliable as mine.
I don't ever want to catch you incorrectly identifying WW2-era German small arms again, anon. Otherwise I'm going to have to open up a can of Schutzentruppe on your ass. That's German for whoop-ass, by the way.
Peace out.
>>344874718
I always veto general mud, but oka river seems ok to me
the only late game armour I have a problem with is the king tiger being non-commander, and the tiger ace costing 0 fuel
>instagib an entire squad in cover
this is usually because you're on the wrong side of the cover. the tank hits the wall/whatever and the explosion is right there where your guys are, making them a lot easier to hit than if they were just out in the open. if you are on the correct side of cover, you don't get hit by tanks all that much
yeah us mortars are stupid, I never understood the point of them. one thing I don't like about coh 2 is this unit creep, to the point that all factions now have mines, at guns, hmgs and mortars. it really takes something away, but most retards are of the opinion that more of everything is good
sturmtiger is somewhat triggering, the only thing I don't like is how it can shoot through shot blockers, that's totally retarded on certain maps
>>344870202
>>344877724
>ak47 is derived from the sturmgewehr meme
>>344875818
>excellent damage at all ranges
>fires decently on the move
>has super grenade
>has AT snare
>has poisonous smoke grenades
>cloaks
they're just fucking insane. too many bells and whistles. how about we make an okw unit that doesn't have 10 magic special abilities for once
>>344870202
AoE
>>344870202
I feel so old now.
>>344864841
Assault Squad 2. This anon >>344873008 is fucking retarded, ignore him.
AS2 is better simply because mechanically it's the most improved plus it has the most alive modding scene so all the campaign mods are there. Matter of fact you can download the faces of war and red tide campaigns straight off the workshop and they play the same (no cutscenes inbetween missions but mission dialogue works just fine.) They even had the condemned heroes campaign at some point but the modder abandoned that one so it's gone.
>>344869530
>unit flags are their panty designs
would buy/10
Anyone else feel like MoW is better than CoH?
>>344869936
>only have SoASE: Trinity
>literally everyone else has moved on to Rebellion
d-doesn't anyone want to play modded Sins doe?
>>344880194
I feel like they're very different games despite having the same kind of scale and setting
>>344872141
>>344869530
This is how you know maidposting has gone too far
>>344870409
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mwJaQCf6to
AIRBORNE
AIRBORNE
AIRBORNE
CLICK ON ME ONE MORE TIME AND I WILL FUCKING SMOKE YOU
>>344880194
>it begins
MoW and CoH are apples and oranges
Should've bought AS2 when it was on sale.
How's GT Mius Front?
I had an rts port on ps2 called conflict zone
The controller made it super difficult
No wonder they gave up porting them
Why is COH2 so popular in japan and among weebs?
>>344880560
Holy shit CoH had the best lines ever
>We're Jagdpanzer god dammit... and we hate you.
I always loved the contrast of smugness of all tank crews and the despair of infantry on all factions.
>>344881835
it's fun
>>344881835
>get my ass handed to me
>check his steam profile
>anime avatar and nip runes
>t-70
>female crew
>vet 3
>>344873959
Actually USF mortars are OP.
And they also serve as map hack right now because of a bug.
>>344878515
Mah nigga!
I played it on the Amiga back then.
Is CoH2 good now?
>>344881835
What makes you think COH2 is popular in japan?
