Why is it that this game is so well liked, the story is boring, the combat is terrible, the controls are bad, the lore and game world are generic and the roleplaying elements are fairly shallow. I've seen people say that this game is better than Morrowind when it comes to early 2000s western action rpgs, and I have no idea how they arrived at that conclusion.
Wew
>>344770146
I TRIED SO HARD
>>344770592
Good post
>>344770146
Germans are patriotic to a fault. They gave Lords of the Fallen multiple GOTY awards, for christ's sake.
I understand nationalistic pride but this is just delusional.
>>344771268
LotF is Polish you fucktard
One of the best protagonists imho.
He literally says what you think and shuts the fuck up when you want him to.
Good branching quests too.
Also youre always treated like a piece of shit and have to fight your way up
>>344770146
Must be some kind of conspiracy
>>344771268
Good thing Germans hate Poles in general.
>>344770146
i know you're probably a memester, but give this video a look. they're just incredibly well crafted open world rpgs with god-tier level design, atmosphere and quests.
the controls suck horsecock though. there's no denying that. and the actual rpg mechanics are rather barebone.
>>344771505
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVYrALStucs
forgot to post the link, duh
>>344771371
>Lords of the Fallen is an action role-playing video game developed by Deck13 Interactive and CI Games
>Deck13 Interactive is a German video game company based in Frankfurt, Germany
CI Games are a Polish publisher who assisted with the development on top of financing the game, as publisher's tend to do.
>>344771505
>>344771585
Not memeing, I didn't hate the game but I have no idea how people can compare it to Morrowind. I'll watch that video though.
>>344770146
Sounds like witcher 3 yet that got goty for some reason
>>344771746
How is the lore and game world not generic? It's generic western high fantasy through and though.
>>344771468
>>344771707
i love both morrowind and gothic 2, but they're totally different games imo.
they're just frequently compared because they were released more or less at the same time and are both open world rpgs. apart from that, they don't have anything in common.
it's a game that is just rewarding as fuck
unlike Oblivion where leveling up doesn't do anything in G2 you feel stronger with every level
and every level also gives you more freedom as stronger enemies are the only wall the game throws at you
>>344772065
Don't get me wrong, I may not like Gothic 2 much but it's certainly a better game than Oblivion.
>>344771951
Actually it's much more reastrained and low-key than the average RPG setting.
It might not look unique now due to ASoIaF capitalizing on the same thing, but compared to the average Forgotten Realms clone that was in fashion in the early 2000s, it felt pretty fresh.
>>344772185
I kinda understand that the beginning of the game is kinda hard to get through but if you bite through it the reward will be waiting for you
The one thing that doesn't make me completely like this game is how fucking hard the game is if I install NotR. I get it, it was aimed at expert players and all, but why am I forced into this level of difficulty just to enjoy all the content? I don't suppose there is a mod or patch to make the game less difficult?
>>344770146
Still better than Morrowind
>>344773161
t. German
>>344773035
There's a semi-official savegame editor on worldofgothic, give yourself 13 learning points per level amd the difficulty will be very similar to vanilla Gothic II.
One of the best open worlds ever. Actually fuck it, the best open world ever
Probably the best videogame town (Khorinis)
Incredibly varied quests with tons of ways to complete them
Interesting characters (to be fair most of them are Gothic 1 refugees)
Combat system that did compromise between stats and pure action right. Something Morrowind utterly failed at.
Gothic 2 shits on Morrowind in almost every aspect except maybe magic.
>>344772376
it makes some things much easier though
you can get some insane powerful spell scrolls right from the get go to get some fairly easy levels in
also the are much more things to get you stronger as well, the balance even if it feels insane in the beginning is pretty much perfect
>>344773665
which game has good magic then?
i'm honestly curious
>>344771707
I thought Morrowind is a horrible game and I can't understand how people can think it's better than Gothic II
>>344770146
Are you that twitch cuck who closed the game after he was stupid to even open a chest ?
Or simply an american ?
>>344773665
Not that guy but I don't see how Morrowind has bad magic when you can levitate, icarus jump, telekinesis, and shit like sound spells as an alternative to silence wich doesn't exist in most games. Also you can make your own spells unlike, again, most games.
However I do agree about Skyrim's magic being shit.
>>344773760
Two world 2 be h
>>344773506
No. It's good, probably very good but also flawed.
>>344773665
to be fair. magic and alchemy in morrowind are so hilariously broken, you absolutely have to try it at least one.
soon people will praise skyrim in all seriousness and gothic will be forgotten, an ancient treasure only known by a chosen few, lost to the ages
I just finished 1 recently and started 2. The thing that was so great about 1 was how much it rewarded exploring. There's a ton of shit to do and it's actually a pretty immersive game. You actually can feel your character getting stronger as you progress, something most games seem to lack. The story was nothing special, but the game really had a great sense of adventure. For all the trouble the controls gave me and some of the other weird hiccups, it really was afungame that I really enjoyed.
Really if I had any complaints with these games it's group combat. Group combat is annoying as hell, especially in 2, and all the strategies online boil down to cheesing the AI by getting it stuck or glitching it out or having an invincible NPC escort you somewhere and lure enemies towards him. It can be really aggravating at times, especially in 2 so far. 2 in general seems to be far harder than 1 ever was, but that's probably because of the expansion. It's really busting my balls the further I get, and I kind of wish I was just playing vanilla 2 instead.
Honestly I'm debating restarting with vanilla Gothic 2 and not touch NotR until I've beaten it once. The difficulty just seems a bit insane compared to 1.
The other issue I have with the games is how easily you can screw yourself out of much needed XP. I'm at the point of 2 where I'm ready to join the Militia, but instead of joining up with them I want to go find the other factions and do all of their quests so I can get the XP. Had to do the same thing in 1, otherwise you were really gimping yourself out of a few levels and those few levels could really affect the difficulty. There's just too much of a risk to not min/max the early chapters.
>>344770146
>hey everyone, x game is shit
>tell everyone my opinion and why i dont like it
Pic related is you pretty much
>>344773957
2 expansion literally makes your game easier.
>>344773957
you can get unlimited xp from skeleton mages in Gothic 2
>>344773919
DD has absolutely awful magic. You press a button and stand there like a retard. The animations are flashy once you do cast them but actually playing a mage is fucking mindless garbage.
>>344774043
It makes all enemies tougher and it makes leveling your skills cost more once they get past 30, making it even tougher to get the required stats for better weapons and to do more damage in general.
>>344773919
nigga what
>>344773957
expansion in gothic 2 serves as a place to buff up your character to not get slaughtered in the main-game
it really balances itself out
you basically clear khorinis until only tough-as-nails enemies are left, then you go to the expansionarea, clear everything there, then you can breeze through chapter 2 and 3 no problem
>>344774413
you still end up much stronger in NotR than Vanilla in the end
use some scrolls to get some easy xp at the beginning
>>344773760
Arx Fatalis
Rudra no Hihou
>>344773919
Fucking lol
The world actually feels alive. Most charakters in the big city know each other, they have their daily routines. There are few nameless people without any purpose.
The town is great and has more than 5 houses, unlike Solitude in Skyrim.
The quests are interesting and there are different ways to complete them.
The fighting system 1vs1 is actually quite fun and way better than the "click until it's dead" of TES.
The voice acting is great, at least in German.
The world is dangerous and you feel like you are really in an adventure. Go 10 feet into a forest and you will get killed. By goblins who are about 3 feet tall. In a shit game (like Oblivion) you breeze through "ancient dwarf ruins" on level 3. Even a small cavern with some skeletons feels more rewarding in Gothic 2 (goddamn, the skeletons in this game are killers).
>>344773919
Weebs pls
>>344773957
Expansion is annoying at the start. Forget about buying some fun skill like lockpicking or something. You need to dump pretty much every point you have into strength to get a decent weapon first. This is even true for mages.
>>344774043
>>344774636
>>344774686
I guess it just makes the first chapter seem so much harder then? I'm playing pretty blind without looking stuff up much, and I've been having a tough time. It's been slow going but I'm finally starting to feel tougher.
Which are the expansion quests to the new area? The Ring of Water stuff? Because I've done most of the other stuff in the city so far, in fact I'm ready to join the militia, but I'm just making sure I go out to the other two factions and do their intro quests before I permanently get locked into Militia. I assumed it's like 1 where you lose access to a lot of those quests once you join up.
>>344775214
>Which are the expansion quests to the new area? The Ring of Water stuff? Because I've done most of the other stuff in the city so far, in fact I'm ready to join the militia, but I'm just making sure I go out to the other two factions and do their intro quests before I permanently get locked into Militia. I assumed it's like 1 where you lose access to a lot of those quests once you join up.
You are correct about everything you just said.
>>344775203
It always annoyed me that you start gothic 1 being able to lockpick, but in 2 you forget even that
>>344774396
Then if you're bitching about "muh magic, muh one button" think about this paradox game about a sorcerer or some shit which name I don't really remember.
>>344774451
Nope, in Legend of Grimrock you had to select runes and could cast on the move for example
>>344775298
Good to know, I'll just grit my way through these tougher parts for now.
>>344775214
there are a shit ton of wargs next to the city
if you buy a firerain scroll pull them all together and roast them you pretty much get a free level just from that
you can also buy some transform scrolls that you can use to go on a rampage just don't level up while in animal form because you loose the HP gain from the levels
Don't mind me
>lore is generic
Gothic 2 lore is fantastically desinged because it works through gameplay and characters. You can meet random people and ask them about shit and each will give you their own unique perspective. You slowly learn about civil war with Onar's farm and orc siege in the Valley, and how it affects Khorinis. Farmers will bitch about raiders and taxes, merchants will bitch about paladins taking all their stuff 'for war purposes', soon you learn about weird crimes and drug trafficking through the city, at some point you will be approached by the thieves guild etc. And story changes with every chapter, characters get new lines, their change locations, some will come to like you and some will start to hate your guts.
Morrowind has dead, static cities where every stonefaced NPC dumps wikipedia articles about ancient gods and other verbal diarrhea written by 12 year old.
>tfw you turn a corner and there's more than 2 enemies
the games were good but fuck trying to fight multiple mobs
>>344775764
was gothic 3 any good? I heard the expansion sucked but thats it
When I was 12, i used the "o" cheat on a woman, dropped my cloths and used the brush in front to Lehmar the moneylender so it looked like a blowjob.
A miracle that I didn't turn out gay.
>>344776026
>was gothic 3 any good?
It's the best TES game but not a good Gothic game
>>344776005
>Morrowind has dead, static cities where every stonefaced NPC dumps wikipedia articles about ancient gods and other verbal diarrhea written by 12 year old
I chuckled because it's true
>>344771498
Oh please, we had dubbed Baldur's Gate and many others. If anything, Gothic dub was hilariously stiff.
I actually enjoyed Gothic 3 more than Skyrim and Oblivion.
Too bad I couldn't finish it because my save got corrupted and I don't feel like putting in another 40 hours to get to where I was
>>344775764
let's se what we will got (just not crossbow)
Just remember in every Gothic/Risen that Mage is always hardmode for the first half of the game and then by the end your basically a god.
>>344776309
>playing Gothic without saving in a new slot every time you save the game so you have 10 different saves at any given time
That's just crazy
>>344776340
Congratulations
>>344776497
shit happens
>>344776309
Same.
Mostly because choices matter in Gothic 3 even if its a bit clunky and because the combat isn't completely braindead.
>>344770146
>>344773237
t. American
>>344775764
>>344776309
>""""""""""Gothic""""""""""" 3
Fuck otta here
>>344776026
>publisher wanted it to compete with The Elder Scrolls in size
>but still handcraft everything
>also told them to build a new engine that'll look better than Oblivion
>also release it the same month as Oblivion or something (so in half a year or something)
>that of course doesn't happen but game is already rushed as fuck
>halfway through development publisher notices that he barely has any money left
>tell the developers to wrap their shit up and release ASAP
>game is an utterly broken fucking mess with glitches and bugs out the ass
>the only thing that's mostly done is the world itself
>quests, dialogue, combat, RPG, is all underdone
>developer ditches publisher
>some of the developers and the fans sit down and make community patches to fix fucking everything
>game is mostly bug free now, but the horribly undercooked story, quests and dialogues are still there
Roaming the world is nice and there are some pretty cool locations with their own special flair to them.
It's nowhere fucking near as good as the previous two but it's not terrible and it can be really comfy.
>>344776859
at least jowood got the Axe finally
>>344776765
British actually
>>344776859
Then they turn aroundand put out Risen which was legitimately great. Dont know what the fuck happened to make 2 so shit. I haven't tried 3 yet.
Never played it, but it looks like an alright game.
>>344777282
>Dont know what the fuck happened to make 2 so shit
Risen was a PC game that later got a console port
Risen 2 was a PC game that got made with consoles in mind. Risen 1 ran like shit on the 360 so they needed to make the world smaller but they didn't want to give you loading screens every 5 minutes so the solution was making lots of tiny islands.
From people who tested the game.
ELEX is going to be the best Piranha Bytes game since Gothic 2.
http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/elex/artikel/elex,52515,3273528.html
>>344777663
I want to be hyped, because I just recently picked up Risen 1 and it was fantastic.
>>344776859
Forgot to mention the fucking music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLyqSQhS6E0
Can't think of a better western RPG.
Mortowind is deep and I love it, but it still feels lifeless can't compete with Gothic's world.
>>344776005
>Morrowind has dead, static cities where every stonefaced NPC dumps wikipedia articles about ancient gods and other verbal diarrhea written by 12 year old.
The fact that I met people in Morrowind with all of their dialogue options already greyed out because I had talked with other clones of them about all they had to say weirded me out after playing Gothic first.
>>344777663
That article also says that ELEX is kinda similar to Gothic 3 in terms of size and content spread.
But the jetpack giving you the ability to travel faster than usual will make it less obvious.
So basicly ELEX is going to be Gothic 3 - This time with finished it but its SciFi now Edition
>>344777456
The whole pirate thing was lame as well, I don't know why they would focus on that. 3 being a weird mash of the first and second games is better, buts still off.
>>344778303
Does the series have any kind of continuity or can you skip 2?
>>344778303
Because islands gave them the option to make it pirates and people LOVED the pirates in Gothic 2.
>>344776029
Dude, there's a locked room in gothic 1 in the old camp fortress where a full frontal nude chick bathes once a day.
They literally gave her a piece of clothing called "naked babe" to make her MORE nude than her bra and panties that was the usual nude state.
Jerking it to that was way less of a hassle.
A question, friends:
I often see the Gothic/Risen series praised for its own world offerings -- and indeed, it does deliver on a world where you "could go anywhere". However, I find that character progression is very jagged, and does not match the openness of the world. Why is that?
The first gothic, for instance, locks the potential of your character to your position in the story. You could go anywhere in the first chapter, but you're probably going to die. Since enemies only respawn between chapter breaks, the character really doesn't have a lot of ability to gain levels, cash, and utility -- especially if they're unable to actually harvest all of the available enemies (most will be too strong). Instead, you're required to do quests (albeit at your own discretion and sequence) to gain the only rewards notable enough to define your character.
This to me seems like a tight-rope situation. Sure, you have all the freedom to walk left or right of the rope, but you're very likely to fall and waste your efforts up to that point. The alternative is to invest your time on the rope, collect the parachute pack on the other side, and then make your way back over that rope so that you can collect the wing suit back on the other side. And back and forth. Back and forth.
>>344778437
Risen does have a continuity but 3 kinda breaks it by giving you a new main character.
You can play 3 without knowing Risen 2 and you won't miss anything besides the past of a few characters. Which is not important at all.
>>344778221
why are they pushing for these overly huge maps?
it will just end up as another disaster
>>344770146
You're from Poland? : D Because this game is very popular in Poland : p
>Some polish interviewer asks Björn the lead director of PB why they don't make a new Gothic
>they are afraid of the ultra high expectations
>>344778702
I think this is supposed to illustrate that you don't get stronger overnight. Advancing chapters illutrates greater passage of time during which your character gets good enough to kick ass.
But in the first place, if you heard that "you can go anywhere" is the main selling point of Gothic, you were lied to. The series is very blatant with its roadblocks, it just has the courtesy to not make them completely impossible.
>>344777663
>>344778221
That's actually pretty promising to hear. These same people played Risen 3 early and said it was what Risen 2 should've been and was more like the first one, and they turned out to be right. I'm cautiously optimistic now.
>>344778921
They don't have fuck Jowood as their publisher anymore. They'll actually finish the game this time.
>>344779145
>They don't have fuck Jowood as their publisher anymore. They'll actually finish the game this time.
Funfact; The game ELEX gets published by Nordic - Who are Jowood 2.0
>>344778702
Limitless open worlds in RPG's are cancerous because they remove believability, character progression, balance and other things to make it viable for you to go anywhere. The strength of Gothic's world isn't that you can go anywhere you want at any point, many games do that and it's not notable. The strength is in how the world itself is designed, how believable it is and how you progress through it.
>>344779284
Fucking why
>>344779284
I heard that the Nordic Games buy Jowood
>>344779117
>they are afraid of the ultra high expectations
Obviously. But apparently they're also afraid of all the free money they'd get in exchange for getting yelled at, so it's really just their choice.
But then I often hear that the dev team is entirely different to the one that worked on Gothic anyway now. So it's even more obvious why they wouldn't want to try that.
Let's see how Olek turns out. I meant Felix.
>>344779384
>>344779479
Exactly. They bought out most of Jowood after Jowood died.
They are actually decent so far. Red Faction Guerilla Steam Edition turned out great and they even patched Guild 2 on Steam and fixed lots of issues.
They seem to care more than most publishers.
>>344778702
You can actually harvest all enemies in chapter 1 with a level 1 character if you are using all the tools that are offered to you. Aka magic scrolls and ranged weapons and the like. Nothing prohibits a hit and run strategy. Enemies do not regenerate health unless you go to sleep.
>>344779645
>patched Guild 2
Wait, when did this happen ?
>>344778702
A world being open and easily accessible from get-to would be boring as fuck. Gothic 2's genius is satisfaction of overcoming shit that kills you by farting in your general direction. My favourite moment in a game is the beginning of chapter 2 for several reasons:
a) You return to the valley of the mines, feels comfy as fuck if you played Gothic 1
b) The game drops your pathethic 7-10 level character into the area swarming with orcs and expects you to survive. At this point its absolutely impossible to fight them and your only option is to drink potion of speed, pray to Allah, and run for the castle, because every creature in the valley can murder you.
15 hours later you genocide every orc on the map, and it feels fantastic
>>344778702
Gothic is the exact opposite of "go anywhere" open world RPG. When you have an open world where you can "go anywhere" it ends up feeling dead and static because it's designed around this idea that you can go anywhere, regardless of level and equipment and shit.
Gothic games take the more realistic approach of here's a world to explore, but different factions and monsters live in different areas, and it's up to you to navigate these dangers if you want to explore everywhere. Your plopped into a big world with it's own rules and it's up to you to develop your character to make your way through it. Yeah you could go explore some tempting dungeon, but have you developed your character enough to actually take on the tough enemies inside? Unlike a lot of recent RPGs that reward you just for buying the game and let you prance around wherever your special snowflake-self wishes, you have to work in Gothic/Risen in order to experience everything. There's no hand-holding.
More open world games need to take this route. Instead of everything being "open" from the start, there need to be some sort of checks you need to be able to pass to open up the world. Otherwise what's the point of having character development of any sort if you can just "go anywhere" and "do anything" right from the start?
>>344779794
You really don´t need that shit. Just learn combat a little and you kill pretty much everything. That orc outside of Khorinis in cave ? No problem on level 3.
>>344779809
Last year.
http://www.theguild3.info/social/thread/6546-the-guild-2-renaissance-patch-4-21/
All to get people hyped for Guild 3.
>>344779962
>No problem on level 3.
Maybe in vanilla G2. You need a damn decent weapon and strength to wield it to even start chipping away his health.
>>344779939
>drink potion of speed
or you can transform into a sheep, the orcs won't care (but beware from wolves). Or swim through the river.
>>344777663
>gamestar
No fucking way I'm going to fall for this
>>344779939
I feel like the reason so many people hate Gothic games are because they're used to being treated like 4-year old soccer players in RPGs and expect to be rewarded with praise for no effort. At the first sign of actual difficulty and needing creative problem solving they flip out and go straight to their favorite forum to whinge about how it's shit and Skyrim is much better.
>>344780462
There aren't really any non-shit german sites for that stuff.
4players is even worse now.
>>344778702
>You could go anywhere in the first chapter, but you're probably going to die.
That's the point. If you are skilled enough, you can go there early and reap the rewards.
>>344779939
>a) You return to the valley of the mines, feels comfy as fuck if you played Gothic 1
>b) The game drops your pathethic 7-10 level character into the area swarming with orcs and expects you to survive. At this point its absolutely impossible to fight them and your only option is to drink potion of speed, pray to Allah, and run for the castle, because every creature in the valley can murder you.
Kek, not with NotR. In NotR, you'll probably head to Jharkendar first, finish off Raven, get the Claw and proceed to wipe the entire Valley for exp and loot. Atleast that's what my min/maxing ass does.
>>344780310
or, you can finish the expansion content beforehand and just slaughter them all
>>344780264
Dude, orcs are literally same pattern over and over. Hit, step back, hit step back, step back, hit...
You can´t lose that.
>>344780650
And it doesn't tell you that you are strong enough. That's the best part, the cave may be full of gobos which you missed in the beginning, skeletons around your level or skeleton mages which will rip your ass apart and the only way to know is to go in
>>344781057
And this is why G2 and NotR should be played in two runs
>>344781192
Yes you can, through sheer fatigue. Their HP is difficult to bring down early game and a single mistake usually makes you drop dead.
>>344781192
If they are close enough, they'll use a pretty fast left-right attack and gut you. Not to mention it takes 10 minutes to take one down with shit stats and I guarantee you you'll fuck up atleast once in that time.
>Try the mage path this time after finding out on the internet you can also join the monastery instead of just militia or mercenaries
>the quest to become mage is too fucking hard to figure out so I have to google that shit
Pic related
The only part of that quest I figured out by myself was that I needed to go behind the monastery somewhere, and somehow obtain the holy hammer. I'm just so bad at this game.
Also kinda planning to reroll and with the tips in this thread (mostly the "don't spend points in shit and get stats in the beginning" one), start a melee militia character
>>344783372
>>the quest to become mage is too fucking hard to figure out so I have to google that shit
But the guy tells you that you need a sheep and lots of gold.
>>344779130
>>344779307
>>344779794
>>344779939
>>344779943
>>344780650
I understand that a pure and open sandbox where all corners are accessible is structurally less rewarding and less interesting than one that withholds some corners, or requires a test to access those corners.
I also understand that difficulty is a thing that can become overcome through game knowledge and performance ability. One of the feints employed by RPG's and stat driven games is the illusion of being able to overcome great difficulty through character growth. It's always rewarding to climb over a cliff that you were once unable to even reach, though we forget that we've grown taller since the last time we tried.
The thing that troubles me about Gothic and Risen (the only two games that I've played of the series, mind you) is that I don't really feel like my character is growing until I attempt those major quests. However, I don't really feel like I can even attempt those major quests -- after all, I haven't grown.
It's like I need to shuffle my feet for hours before I am allowed to take one single step, and then I will be back to shuffling.
Maybe I haven't really committed myself enough to the game.
Guys. Listen. I played "all" gothic games. First one I like the most because of nostalgia and the seting. Second one is better in every way (But I still like the first more). Third one was really bad and I never finished it.
Now. I want to know what is bad about ArcaniA. I never played it, but everyone says it is worse than hitler. I want to know why exactly. Is it buged to shit like 3 or something worse?
>>344784190
You sound like you'd be much happier just playing Fallout 4 and Skyrim Remastered.
>>344784508
Arcania got made by the devs who made Giana Sisters later.
So devs who never made a RPG before and it shows. The combat is without depth and same goes for any of the RPG elements. The world is build around linear corridors with invisible walls everywhere and you are not allowed to go back to old regions once you passed them.
Besides that it fucks with the lore. But that is a non-issue now because everything post-3 is not canon according to PH even the addon for 3 made by poo in the loos.
>>344784190
Well, that's just the kind of game it is. You start literally as a common peasant and your first order of business is hours of hard work to not be a peasant anymore. At the start your character knows fuck all and the gameplay as well as the world reflect that.
>>344784508
>I want to know why exactly
Imagine your favorite movie all time. The one movie that you love so much, and would do anything for a sequel for. Imagine they make a sequel, except it's a bollywood version with a budge of about $200 and when you go to see it it turns out it's just an overweight BR tranny singing off key about how nobody will give them free handouts.
>>344783461
he says mage not apprentice
>>344784548
I appreciate the burn, though I'm actually playing Skyrim right now. I have to admit that it is underwhelming most of the time, but it provides much more convincing rewards out of the hour or two that I can sustain playing through. Admittedly, those rewards are literally just junk items and ticks off of quests that don't really mean anything, but the story that I get to tell myself from moment to moment sounds like it's actually going to go somewhere eventually.
The difference that I've run into with gothic is that I might spend an hour out in the wilderness, but I usually come back the same man that I was when I went in. And now, when I ask myself whether I should try to pitch myself into one of these three camps -- none of which had done any decent job at selling themselves to me -- I'm left to wonder "why?" Will I be able to kill that giant chicken now? Or, will I need to save the island first?
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't always appreciate games that give you the opportunity to speak to every face you come across, but pretend that there's any opportunity to not speak to them.
I also happen to play games from the X series. As far as the series goes, the games were best when plot the is sparse. These are games that require lots of time and energy investment, but once spent the rewards are discrete. You can spend hours hunting around for weapons transports or lonely dealers and rich asteroids, and once you do, you get the opportunity to steal and build what you can. And in the end, you get a thing. A real thing that you can use. A new transport goes into your fleet. A new fighter is something to add to your wing, you might even want to fly it yourself. Loot is loot. It goes into the pool, becomes money for you. Becomes a new station. A new station becomes more money, more tools, more rewards.
>>344786164
It has been a while but don't you just do stuff outside of the monastry and watch your apprentice buddies get killed?
>>344786328
he was too stupid to figure out how to steal that hammer to kill that stone golem
>>344786328
I remember that there was something with golem and hammer but don't remember what exactly, but as i recall you could find him pretty easy
http://webm.land/media/a0Bv.webm
I like gothic and gothic 2
>>344786318
>>344784758
It's obviously a delay of gratification situation. I can appreciate going from rags to riches; this is a staple mechanic that just about every game relies upon these days.
The thing that bugs me, though, is the idea that I might've just spent an hour trading in my rags for rags. The knowledge that, at some point later in the future, there is a switch that transforms my rags into a T-shirt doesn't exactly entice me to continue trading rags for other rags.
I guess I've sabotaged my own enjoyment of these games. Wikis are a drug. The worst kind of drug.
>>344786773
Ah, that's where you're coming from. Then let me tell you that yes, this is precisely the case with armors - they pretty much only advance plot-wise. Most other gear however is independent of your progress. You can get the best dex sword in G2 during your first hour in Khorinis, for example.
>>344786628
>those fucking archers attacking you while you try to go up the stairs
fuck that shit
>>344771884
I don't understand how can anyone say german voiceovers are good. That language sounds like an execution order or a curse every sentence.
>>344786495
Actually I did figure out the hammer part, but how the fuck was I supposed to find the golem when it's so hidden? Yes it's on the path to the cave where the rune is, but it's behind trees and shit that I would never have found out alone unless it attacked me while I was walking on the road, wich it didn't. The rest was easy to figure out aside from where the fuck the cave was actually located since you have to go on this long ass trip in a forest.
Just saying though. I'm not complaining the quest was hard, in fact it's what I expect from a trial that would make someone a Fire Mage, not like skyrim's bullshit college quests
>>344788681
they told you its whereabouts
and you can also hear its footstep when you're walking on the main path
>>344788681
It's not that hidden, you're supposed to actually look for it instead of expecting it to be on the middle of the road.
I gave up on Gothic 2 years ago when I played it, I think with the expansion, because I reached a point in the first chapter where I just couldn't progress the quests without coming up against groups of enemies I could barely dent. Strength and skills started costing way more than they should've for such a low level. The only option I had to progress was to continue the story by joining the militia, but that would just make it so I couldn't finish quests for some decent exp.
I had enjoyed the first game a lot, but everything about 2's difficulty just seemed to make the game more tedious than enjoyable. I also enjoyed G3 and Risen well enough, but whenever I think of going back to G2 I remember how frustrating it became because there were so many barriers limiting how I could enhanced my character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIb7CeRvZeE
>>344789218
Vanilla 2 is way easier than 2 with NotR
>>344789218
Don't play with the expansion installed unless you've completed the game twice and know everything about it.
Or just give you twice the LPs per level or something, it's not something you should be able to complete or even enjoy on your first playthrough unless you're a complete masochist.
>>344789358
That's what I've gathered over the years. Seems it was designed specifically for people who've played G2 multiple times and know how best to min/max their characters. I remember when I first posted asking for help years ago on some forum, pretty much all the replies were very specific instructions on how to build your character or what quests to do before others. It was then I realized I just didn't have the patience for it at the time.
Maybe that's why so many people dislike the series. You can only really buy G2 with it's expansion on Steam and GoG, with no option to only get the base game.
>>344771468
german """"""""""""""humor""""""""""""""
holy shit, they cant even play football right.
>get to irdorath
>be low on lab water flasks
>buy all available flasks from your crewmembers
>find all remanining flasks on irdorath
>make mixtures like crazy
>save
>realize you don't have a flask to recharge innos eye for the last time
that was bad
>>344789686
Shut the fuck up.
>>344789605
>download gog version
>replace files
>bam you have vanilla G2
>>344789605
I've never played G2 with Steam or GoG but I recall reading somewhere that there was an option to install only the base game.
>>344789929
They removed that for some reason. Only option is to just torrent.
>>344783372
>as a kid I stayed in act one for fucking ages
>fucked up almost everything on the island
>level fucking 15 in act 1
>want to finally join the fire mages
>sure, just build this fire arrow rune
>yeah, no problem, except... There's no fire arrow scroll left on this entire fucking island
>I literally had used them all to cheese skellingtons and other stuff
I restarted the game and played less autistic from then on out.
>>344788623
It's great for dry humour and sarcasm.
>>344788623
t. grzegorz brzeczyszczykiewszczicz
>>344789686
You don't get to speak bad about the dead. Don't you have any manners?
>>344780462
yep, gamestar is pretty bad when it comes to gothic
pre-release:
>endlessly hype gothic 3
>several gothic 3 focused magazines till release
post-release:
>shitload of articles about how buggy it is
>first gothic 3 edition magazine included a parody of the gameplay
>when PB started developement on Risen 1, GS made fun of that too in a "Die Redaktion" video
Even though I was really disappointed with Gothic 3, I really felt bad for PB at the time.
Getting encouraged so much just so you get told of how shit you are.
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/07/07/gothic-retrospective/
pretty good article i read recently about gothic 1. really is quite unlike any other rpg out there. wish modern rpgs would borrow from gothic rather than ubisoft open world shitfests.
>tfw cooking tons of raw meat in your pan at the old camp
>tfw learning how to lockpick and going around every house looting every chest (best lockpicking in a game ever by the way)
>tfw actually being TAUGHT something when you learn a skill... advancing the skill advances your combo
>tfw that amazing world with each camp making sense within the world of the barrier, all those dark forests you're told to avoid and can later conquer
>tfw best hunting in a game ever
TW3 should've taken more tips from Gothic instead of from Bethesda/Ubisoft.
>>344792354
>that swampweed
>>344793097
Because if you do gothic, there's no reason to make the map xboxhuge, nothing to measure against skyrim and asscreed: 2nd place champions of the genre behind gta.
Good stuff about ELEX
>Seperate food items are back - No more rations
>Food and potions get animations
>There are multiple cities all over the place
>no loading screens after the title menu
>You can go anywhere after a short intro
Bad stuff:
>They confirmed that no settlement is on Khorinis level
>Huge mapsize might also bring less density of content
>From the videos it seems like the combat is similar to the combat of Risen 3 with maybe some improvements only
>>344784508
Gothic 1 had a much better world though. Quality over quantity
>>344794804
I enjoyed Risen 1 combat, was 3 that much different? Because I dont see it having Risen combat being a bas thing.
>>344770592
CANT WAKE UP
>>344795787
Risen 1 combat gave you the option to block from any direction and effective evading.
Risen 3 combat was mostly you jumping around in order to avoid hits and clickspamming. Especially magic was pretty meh where its really nothing but you pressing the LMB over and over again. The AI was weak as well.
>>344795978
I'm probably a pleb for thinking so but I liked the shotgun in 3, that one you get from (stealing?) from that one guy is great.
Motherfucking Gothic Thread?
Gothic 1 is kinda bad to be honest. The game really fizzles out once you join a camp, everything becomes too linear and most quests are 'go get x things and come back'.
Gothic 2 is a phenomenal improvement, and you stay your own man the whole game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKtJZYlSMac
>>344798817
Kek
>>344773957
>group combat
>not using hit and run tactics to 1 on 1 everybody and fuck the enemy by attrition
step it up sempai
>>344776765
Gothic is more in line with oldschool american RPGs and is basically Ultima 9 if it was good.
>>344798817
I never ever asked for this
>>344773957
Lmao just backstep nigga
>>344798817
>>344775764
ROLLIIIIIIIIIIING
>>344789686
You must be german then you unfunny faggot
>>344775764
Is it too purist of me not to like Gothic 3?
>>344792354
you the guy who makes al those gothic maymay's? You made me one about the ridiculous critical damage in NOTR a year ago or something. I love you.
>>344773957
>how easily you can screw yourself out of much needed XP
it's not that much needed.
momentarily helpful, but if you just kept playing you'd also get more XP and it would all work out.
You really don't need to finish all 3 faction intro quest lines.
You'll become an overpowered god monster at the end anyway no matter what you do.
Why have Gothic suddenly become a thing these past two years? Ive tried making Gothic threads since like 2009 but barely any responses until '14 or so. Steam sales or something?
>>344776005
How did Morrowind have such shitty keyword dialogue? They could have at least made NPCs more unique with fewer, but specific topics like MM6 instead of generic wikipedia dumps for every NPC with zero personality.
>>344799586
It's random.
I have been here since 2010. Sometimes threads fail and other days you get 500 replies.
Most times they die around 200-300 posts because germans and polandballs end up going to sleep.
>>344776005
I love Morrowind, but you are absolutely right. I like it though anyway, even though youre spot on with verbal diarrhea about ancient gods. I love that kind of stuff. Gothic 2 and Morrowind are both my two favourite RPGs.
Question: Is fighting with neutral NPC characters an expected part of the game progression?
Like, if I come across two miners nursing a chest, do the developers expect me to walk up to them and challenge them to a duel? Is that something I should do? Is it something I need to do?
Like, this is foreign concept to me. I don't live in a vacuum where concepts like ownership and hospitality don't exist. I guess I see named, scripted, and posed NPC's as a special class of NPC. I don't mind slaughtering hostile bandits guarding a chest, but I would feel really bad beating up a bunch of townsfolk.
Gothic and Risen are supposed to be a lawlessness simulators, right? That's the real "open world," right?
>>344789687
wait, I don't remember you needing a flask for that
>>344771268
is lords of the fallen actually a bad game? what makes it worse than the average souls?
>>344799764
You can beat the shit out of them and not kill them if you want to.
>>344799764
You can do that no problem in Gothic 1. Its not expected but its nice meta-xp. When I play I beat up all NpCs in New Camp for example since no one reacts, and steal their stuff and get more money than I need rest of the game. But its pretty 'meta' and breaks immersion somewhat.
So short version: not really a part of the game but nothing is stopping you.
>>344799764
>Question: Is fighting with neutral NPC characters an expected part of the game progression?
>
>Like, if I come across two miners nursing a chest, do the developers expect me to walk up to them and challenge them to a duel? Is that something I should do? Is it something I need to do?
You either wait for them to go away from the chest so you can open it and steal from it while nobody is watching
Or you beat them up (without killing them) and take the stuff while they are knocked out.
Or you talk with them and it turns out you can just take all that stuff.
>>344799586
The sheeple have woken up. Soon we'll be able to talk about Ultima and Wizardry on /v/
>>344800068
I like that, hope youre right
>>344799936
>what makes it worse than the average souls?
It wasn't made by nips.
>>344800068
There was a successful Wizardry thread here some days ago.
>Ultima
Never because it would just devolve into people being butthurt over EA
>>344799942
It's not just an issue of lethal vs. non-lethal. It's more an issue of "being a bully" and beating up people for their lunch money.
I'll beat up bullies for their lunch money, but that's different.
Like, I don't suffer from that FO3 attitude where I hope certain characters aren't essential because I like their gun.
I guess I just don't like it when people see me with a red box around my name.
>>344800279
The Ultima threads will pop up when Underworld Ascendant comes out
>>344800319
It's a prison colony bro go full murderhobo.
Gothic 2 is the best game of all time
>>344800492
mite be true??
>>344800554
yes
I noticed something about Gothic II in my circle of buddies, there are two types of people here
>played Gothic II
>can't get into Witcher 3
>not played Gothic II
>praise Witcher 3 like masterpiece
>>344800492
lol
>>344800845
weird, I'm a pole, played G1,G2 andG3and I also quite like TW3
>>344800845
I like the Witcher series.
for me it was more like
>played Gothic 1+2
>felt disgusted after playing any Elder Scrolls Game and never touched them again.
>>344800845
Not true. Gothic 2 is my favourite game of all time, but I still loved Witcher 3.
>>344801080
You are also non white subhuman slavshit.
>>344800845
I can get that. To me Witcher 3 felt like they wanted to make a gothic game but failed to understand any of the things that made gothic good. It was like they were big gothic fans but their favorite game was gothic 3
>>344801221
I dunno about that mate, I seem to be pretty white lookinggtfo to your containment board you god damn sperglord
>>344798817
Why isn't there a bigger modding community for the Gothic series? I feel like there's a lot of wasted potential
>>344770146
RUSSIANS. IT'S THE FUCKING RUSSIANS.
they hype the shit out of anything that is either made or influenced from Russia. Don't believe anything else.
>>344801363
Oh yeah Poles are so white looking
>>344801670
this guy knows what hes talking about for sure
>>344801670
Gothic II influenced from Russia? How?
>>344801670
Gothic has no russian influence retard.
>>344801661
Appearently its not easy to mod. Very tedious. Not designed to be modded like Morrowind etc.
>>344771464
>One of the best protagonists imho.
t. generic waste of life
>>344799591
Depends entirely on the NPC. Several actually have hidden skill checks but the speechcraft system lets you blow past them. IIRC, they fucked up the keyword parameters and too many NPCs wound up with too many keywords.
>>344800845
I really need to get around to that game.
Deciding to read all the books first was a terrible mistake.
It was going well for a while, all amateur fantasy fun about getting drunk with a dragon and his waifus and so on, but then it suddenly turned into polish knock-off Song of Ice and Fire out of nowhere and I've basically been sitting on the last book for almost a year now, unable to read any more of people 200 years in the future in another dimension talking about people of the past on the other side of the continent who talk about what the protagonist did two months ago.
/v/ is fucking cancer
>>344801670
Ayoo hol up a minute..
>>344801702
I don't get it. That boy looks like the average redneck.
>>344801949
Nah. The thread was fine. It just that some retard found it now sadly.
He didn't even change the way he shitposts.
>>344801702
Looks American.
Anyway arent there several Anericans who are slavic anyway? Americans preaching about purity always makes me laugh when their name is like John Yang Cortez-Slowski
>>344771464
Speaking of W3, by the way
>be nonamed dude
>you lost everything
>weak as shit after G1 events
>try to hit first city guard
>he beats the shit out of you
>be old experienced sexy gray mutant
>try to hit first city guard
>he beats the shit out of you
>??????
totally broke immersion for me
>>344802036
>>344802195
Rednecks and Americans aren't white either.
Posting best music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9O_naB_4dU
>>344801949
>>344802052
>0:18 in Germany on a week day
>Gothic thread turns to shit
Must be a coincidence
>>344802360
Give back Danzig you fucking pollock.
>>344802291
W3's leveling system was fucking awful. You get a shitty selection of mostly bland abilities and the real thing that determines whether or not you can fight someone is the number over their head? Level 5 Griffin? Piece of cake. Level 19 Drowner? 2 hit KO.
>>344800845
I just happen to like both Gothic and Witcher series.
Now please fuck off and stop trying to pit everything against witcher you shitposting fuck
>>344802731
witcher is a mediocre series
>>344802731
are you ok
>casuals complaining that gothic 2 is hard
I can tell you that notr is not hard you just have to dedicate your build to the type of weapon you want to use and do quests ib the beggining and after that explore the world for xp
I completed returning 2.0 on hard and that mod makes the game 5-10 times longer and 2-5 times harder at times and hard isnt even the highest difficulty setting, overall a great russian mod but play it on easy if you want to enjoy the content (you might still get raped in the ass because there are tens of thousands of enemies throughout the mod and there are tons of new massive areas
People interested in mods should check out requiem mod dark mysteries mod velaya mod returning mod and golden gate mod (most of them offer new/redesigned maps with new heroes and stories and add alot of new features)
>>344800845
you forgot the 3rd type
>played gothic 2
>what a clunky piece of shit
>praise witcher 3 as it really deserve.
>>344802931
to each to his own
>>344803010
not really, every other game I like gets cross shitposted with witcher
>souls games
>new vegas
>now gothic
just fuck off you salty bastards its just some goty awards
>G1 and G2 were awesome, buggy but awesome
>G3 happens
>Jowood forces PiranhaBytes to make it more americanized to appeal to a broader audience
>G3 turns out to be shit
>PB dissolves
>Some fucking noname turd fags develop G4
>>344803585
>>PB dissolves
That didn't happen.
They just made Risen under a new publisher.
should I play Risen senpaitachi
>>344803010
BUSTAH WURF
>>344803817
If you like Gothic 1 & 2, it's a bit casualized but it still has the same kind of exploration, good music, somewhat decent lore, and nice magic. Different atmosphere but comfy.
>>344771268
Germans patriotic wtf you smokin boy
>>344803815
I actually meant that they left or were forced to leave. Jowood can suck a dick.
>>344804083
They left because Jowood was dying and they both started fighting over the IP rights.
gothic/risen games are pretty bland and pointless.
>thread was dying
>suddenly 1 post every minute with some guy shitposting Witcher and Gothic
You are not even trying to be subtle about it.
Like the other anon said: Stop being salty over Witcher. The few people in this thread who care about Gothic know who you are. Pretending to be retarded is a waste of time.
Who is hyped here?
Jowood lost the Gothic rights, Pyranha Bytes is back at it again, they hinted in a german interview, that the next Risen game will finally connect both worlds, and it was their plan all along.
Finally a new Gothic from pyranha bytes, a real gothic, no fucking Risen, no fucking arcania, i cant wait boys!
>>344804876
oh fug, source?
I need to start playing risen
>>344804876
If they at least can make something as good as Risen then that would be great.
>>344804876
Wasnt risen 3 the last one? And impretty sure thy said they wont make a new gothic game
>>344775764
Wasn't Gothic 3 buggy as shit?
>>344804876
ELEX is next. They said Gothic is always a question but for now they entirely focus on ELEX.
>>344805048
Risen 3 brings in some Gothic creatures and one of the bosses basicly confirms that the happenings of Risen take place after Gothic 3 in the same universe. But they still deny it in interviews because they want to keep the option open to ignore all of Risen for a potential new Gothic game.
>>344770146
nice, a free bait
>>344805048
im looking like shit for the source but i cant find it.
Someone from PB said something along the lines
"the similarities between the games could have a purpose, that are connected to gothic 5, but i cant discolsure too much yet *SMILEYFACE*"
>>344770146
WEW LAD
Is Gothic RPGKino?
>>344805048
in the german game the narrator from risen 1 was the same voice as xardas, so it was always implied, that he knew what was happening
