Is Chrono Triggered still the pinnacle of the genre?
Easily.
Wasn't even in the top 10 SNES rpgs desu senpai
>>344757113
Garbage tier DBZ art
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>>344757335
wats ur top 10 then?
>>344757113
Absolutely
It's my favorite Jerpager.
>>344757372
Super Mario RPG x10
>>344757113
Akira Toriyama art alone makes this game awful as fuck.
ATB shit can never be good
>>344757113
No that's Nocturne
>>344757547
/thread
i'm not a connisseur on JRPGs but I really liked Chrono Trigger because it's shorter than your average game in the genre, it didn't have any grindy bits from what I can remember
>>344757113
Probably.
>>344757113
Golden standard =/= pinnacle
>>344757993
Digital Devil Saga is way better
>>344757473
LOLOLOLOL
>>344757113
That game defined genre for years. Even on the west. Look at things like Mass Effect. It's based on Chrono Trigger's patterns.
>>344757113
Nope
People that say that chrono trigger is
>da best game evurrr XDDD
Are the same people that post those "le gaymu girlfriend test XD" on facebook
>>344760102
gold standard not golden you troglodyte
>>344759120
Most jrpgs are 20-30 hours
A first time Chrono run would be that.
Fuck you numpty bitch
>>344757113
It's more timeless than most JRPG's due to no random encounters. Seriously, as I grow older I don't have the patience to play games like Skies of Arcadia with insane random encounter rates.
>>344757113
It is. Mad Final Fantasy fags need not apply.
>>344760371
I want to take gamur gurl test.
>>344760371
So what JRPG is the pinnacle?
>>344757993
>Shit Megami Tensei
fuckin lol
>>344760406
would it help if I pretended to be retarded and started posting other incorrect phrases
I personally don't think so. I only played it last year for the first time and it was only like 9/10 imo
>>344760640
Suikoden 2 and Breath of Fire 3
It should be in the top five, but probably not in the in the first position.
>>344760819
>>344760152
>>344757993
All correct.
>no grindy bits, perfect length as a result
>does time travel right, something most games do not
>amazing OST
>engaging story
>creative and original plot and environment elements
>likable and varied cast of characters
>battles done in actual locations instead of a battle screen
>tons of side quest content before the final boss
>solid pacing
>unique battle elements like using the environment and team combos
I mean I'm not surprised /v/ finds random weeb games better but this game more or less improved on the formula of JRPGs in every way.
>>344757113
Chrono Cross was better tbqh
>pinnacle of the genre?
rpgs?
fuck no
>>344757113
Would have been better with combat more similar to Secret of Mana, Illusion of Time and A Link To The Past.
>>344760538
You can fuck up no random encounters really, really hard. The original Romancing SaGa is almost unplayable because of its combination of slow movement speed, areas saturated with enemies that are hard to dodge, and areas that are designed so that you HAVE to fight a shitload of enemies to get through a bottleneck.
>>344761248
>CT
>not a weeb game
>>344757113
CT was a good game but at no point was it ever the pinnacle of JRPGs.
>>344761895
I'm not saying it isn't, but the difference between CT and some of the games being suggested in this thread is that if you mention CT to people IRL there's actually a decent chance people will know what you're talking about.
It's pretty much the only flawless JRPG I can think of.
>>344762250
CT isn't flawless. It has balance issues, its equipment system isn't as interesting as it should be, double/triple techs are a gimmick that's only rarely useful, and it's a little too easy. It's just that unlike games like FFVI, its flaws aren't bad enough to ruin the game.
>>344757113
>still
never was. greatly eclipsed by the earlier secret of mana among other things
>>344762250
>flawless
uhhhhhhhh. i mean, among other things i can't remember a single music track from CT whereas i remember tons of music from every other squaresoft game on snes...
>>344757113
FFV is best and most comfy
>>344762442
>>344762442
I don't think it's too easy, it's just mostly designed so that the player doesn't have to grind for levels. Which is a good thing. Level grinding is something a lot of modern JRPGs rely on to pad out the length of their game, and some older ones did it too. If you took out grinding, every JRPG would probably be around the same length as CT.
The equipment system is almost exactly the same as most equipment systems of its time, so that's not really much of a fault.
I found double and triple techs to be useful in quite a lot of boss fights, at least until I got Magus, since his gimmick was no combination techs but extremely strong magic.
No idea what balance issues there could be, really.
>>344762664
>uhhhhh
>...
I don't know why you're typing like that, but I can very distinctly remember Frog's theme, the final boss theme, the theme for Zeal, and one of the boss themes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YsAyO9oW00
>>344763004
V is more or less a Dragon Quest game.
>>344763007
you don't get to police how other people type. thinking there has to be some standard way of typing here smacks of "us" sekrit club shit. stop embarrassing yourself acting like a little kid.
I really wish I could even understand why /v/ seemingly hates ellipses suddenly. what a bizarre thing to take issue with for 0 reason
>>344763379
Like you're any better, picking out that detail in order to ignore every point in the post.
>>344763379
fuck off. can't we just have a conversation without someone giggling about their epic bait tactics for once?
>>344763486
? like im any better by directly responding to someones odd criticism of me? why would i respond to anything else in the post
>>344763508
tell that to the guy trying to police typing style, not me.
>>344757113
>Is Chrono Triggered still the pinnacle of the genre?
Yes.
>>344757113
I don't think there's any better introductory JRPG.
>>344763007
>No idea what balance issues there could be, really.
Robo exists and makes everyone not named Crono look like shit. He completely obsoletes Marle.
>>344763313
I should try a DQ game
>>344762250
>if you mention CT to people IRL there's actually a decent chance people will know what you're talking about.
No? Especially considering its age, only video game hobbyists/enthusiasts will know what the hell Chrono Trigger is.
>>344757113
>>344764301
They really are an acquired taste.
At first you'll think how backwards everything seems.
But as you go along, you realise those systems are part of the series, part of those mechanics.
They're games about planning, preparation and exploring, think about the like that.
>>344757547
What's wrong with ATB?
>>344760152
How so?
>>344764528
DQ would be better without the bag. It defeats the point when you can buy 99 herbs and never have to worry about whether you should use your MP or use one of your precious consumables to heal up.
>>344764421
More of a chance than Suikoden and Breath of Fire, which were both mentioned in this thread
>>344757345
Try to write a post not entirely made of memes next time.
>>344764954
I wouldn't count on it.
>>344764660
A lot of things.
>>344765107
Name five.
>>344764823
Better music, better characters/plot, much better gameplay
>>344757473
I don't know why but this shit made my day, thank you anon
>>344765097
If you ask white men in my age group (25-35) there's a decent chance they're know Chrono Cross or Chrono Trigger.
It was a very popular game.
>>344757113
It's good, but Terranigma was better.
>>344765481
And those same people will likely have heard of other games of the era mentioned in this thread. They're video game hobbyists.
>>344765584
It's good, but Robotrek was better.
>>344757113
It never was?
>>344761895
CT is japanese, but it feels way less MUH ANIME than many JRPGs.
>/v/ - Contrarian Video Game Opinions doesn't like Chrono Trigger
Yes.
Best characters, music, world and story.
And on top of all that
Best turn based battle system
>>344757113
DeJap Star Ocean on SNES was sooooooooo much better. Not even a contest.
>>344766095
>Best turn based battle system
Until The Last Remnant came along.
That game does everything Chrono Trigger did, except better.
>>344761248
This
>>344757113
It's a fun game isn't that good enough?
>>344762442
>double/triple techs are a gimmick that's only rarely useful
:o???
>>344757113
It's the pinnacle of craftsmanship. But it's game design has since been surpassed in complexity.
going into battles without the flashy transitions was really nice, wish more games of the same genre used it
>>344766291
Hmm I don't know this game's battle system. Better check out a gameplay video
>character runs into an enemy, slashes
>screen fades
Stopped right there.
The best about chrono trigger is that you don't get magically teleported into some kind of arena with a paintjob of your previous surroundings
>>344766602
>>344766634 here
I like your style
>>344757113
It's the Baldur's Gate 2 of JRPGs.
>>344766095
>Best turn based battle system
What is Grandia? What is Mana Khemia? What is Trails of Cold Steel?
>>344766853
If any of those have transitions into battle screens then they are inferior.
>>344757335
i bet you didnt even owned a SNES you fucking fagget
>>344765107
name 2
>>344766983
Are we talking about battle systems or what? Transitions aren't a part of battle system.
>>344767232
They kind of are, since Chrono Trigger's battle system made use of the fact that there weren't any transitions via the environment and enemy positioning in the environment.
>>344766693
The worst offenders are 3D JRPGs, since old games could have the excuse that the hardware had all kinds of limitations, but playing a much more modern game, and you're walking in a cave and then suddenly you're fighting 5 enemies just looks retarded.
>>344757113
Dragon Quest VIII is the pinnacle in my opinion. Followed by Chrono Trigger, Suikoden II and Dragon Quest III, IV and V.
But since the same guy worked on all of those except Suikoden II, the guy who established JRPGs to begin with, that should say something.
>>344757113
What kind of shitty kingdom has their city and then a huge field and then their port? Why is there a huge fucking field there? It just makes it harder to transport goods from ships into the city.
>>344767496
DQ8 is an immense boring grindan with no interesting mechanics and bland world.
Honestly i still can't understand people who have it as their favorite, especially above Chrono which at least has some cool gameplay and story gimmicks.
>>344767467
Yeah exactly this. It just breaks immersion. In chrono trigger, enemies were still walking around while you made your choices so everything felt very organic.
>>344764421
I've met plenty of casuals who knew what Chrono Trigger is.
>>344767536
The northern part are living houses whereas shop, inns and stuff are st the port. The castle is at a protected position
>>344766291
Last Remnant was garbage and you should eat a bag of dicks just for sitting through it.
>>344767718
>I had to grind to beat the waterfall game
>then I quit in rage
You don't say.
>never heard of Chronotrigger growing up
>never played a Final Fantasy game
>Only JRPG was Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario
So I've heard it suffers from being one of those games that's amazing and groundbreaking at the time, but now the things it was amazing for is commonplace in games today. Is it worth playing or should I just read a summary/watch a playthrough?
>>344768270
Considering the fact that JRPGs today still have battle transition screens and grindy as fuck segments, you heard wrong. Chrono Trigger fixed both of those issues and many more.
>>344757113
chrono trigger isn't even the best on snes.
final fantasy 3/6 and earthbound are two rpgs I personally prefer. I still think chrono trigger is a fantastic game. just not the best in the genre and not on snes.
>>344768452
Chrono Trigger shits all over Earthbound's text heavy clunky combat.
>>344767718
>DQ8
>grinding
Chrono Trigger is about the only JRPG you'll ever be able to play. Any other game will be 'grinding' to you. Case in point, you don't even need to grind in Dragon Quest VIII.
>>344757113
is chrono trigger actually good or is it a secret of mana type deal where its only famous because it was a nintendo rpg in the 90s?
>>344767467
>>344767748
>MUH IMMERSHUN
Here we go again with this bullshit. Look, I prefer no battle transitions, but if I may play devil's advocate here: I can see the reason why transitions are used in modern games.
Back in the 2D days, map creators would create a tileset, which they would use to draw an entire map, and people were satisfied with that. However, in current times, people expect every area to appear completely unique. If you try to build everything with presets, then people bitch about the lack of variety. Like,
>"THE REPETITIVE ENVIRONMENTS RUIN MUH IMERSHUN"
So map building is no easy task these days. Imagine having to build completely unique maps, and balancing enemy encounters. If you never use transitions, then it becomes way too obvious that a lot of enemies are spawning within a small square foot. Now you have a reason to complain how immersion breaking that enemies just spawn out of nowhere.
>If there are so many anamies in this one room then why don't they just attack at the same time? UGH!
Or
>It's too obvious that enemies are spawning behind my back when I turn the camera around. UGH!
The field of view also presents a problem. Because if you can see enemies off in the distance, while you are fighting enemies nearby, then it makes you wonder why the far off enemy isn't running to join the fray. You can clearly see it, thus it must be able to see you. It should be rushing to help it's brethren. On 2D maps, your view was limited to what's on screen, so out of sight, out of mind.
>>344768270
Many of my friends who can't stand JRPGs still name Chrono Trigger as one of their favorite games, if not their favorite. It holds up just fine.
And if you're a fan of JRPGs, it holds up even better.
>>344768552
do you really think people love earthbound for the combat?
>>344768270
First time I played it was in 2013. On my top 10 games list since then
>>344768270
Chrono Trigger is worth a shot. If anything, it's charming.
>>344768713
You're an idiot for asking.
>>344765942
It's anime as fuck only it's more like early-90's anime.
>>344768731
>>MUH IMMERSION
I want immerison when I play rpgs.
>>344768810
Since you do a lot of combat in both games, it means something. I would argue CT's story is also better than Earthbound, if anything Mother 2/3 get way too much credit.
>>344768731
>MUH FAGGOT
Yes, you're a faggot, now kill yourself you piece of shit.
>>344757485
What a baby, the game is all sprites he really just designed the characters you only really see how they look on the cover
But Toriyama off DBZ is an acquired taste but the more games you play with his art the more you like it
>>344768871
what a unique response ill assume thats reflective of the average intelligence of chrono trigger players and chalk it up as a weeb shit game
>>344768956
>>344768964
I want people to understand that immersion is only as proportionate as one's ability to suspend disbelief.
If you're unwilling to suspend disbelief, because you expect game makers to make giant maps with completely unique enemy encounters throughout the entire map, then you're not being very realistic. You could immerse yourself with a simple adjustment of expectation.
>>344768943
It has an anime style, but what can I call it, it doesn't feel forced?
Example: I look at trailers and gameplay bits from Final Fantasy XV, I see an androgynous faggy boy that uses enormous overcompensating swords that tries too hard to look cool. There are clips of the main kid deflecting sword attacks from huge metal monstrosities, which looks quite dumb. I just get the impression the game is trying so hard to look cool for teens.
Now Chrono Trigger had a spiky hair boy with a normal sized katana fighting monsters, Crono didn't look like he was trying as hard as the things in XV, for example.
>>344769238
And I want you to understand that you're a fucking faggot piece of shit.
>>344765274
>Better music
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAaHDL3352c
>>344757113
no suikoden 2 is. multiple endings check. many recruitable characters check. tons of mini games check.a side quest involving the iron chef minigame that existed before iron chef was known about in america check
>>344769308
that's what he meant by early-90s anime you underage
>>344765942
>Chrono Trigger
>feels less anime
>entire reason the game was made was Sakaguchi wanted to make a game 'in the world of Akira Toriyama'
>can't walk two steps without Shounen cliches and comedy
>>344768270
I played it last year and it's one of the most well balanced games out there.
Imo it's the pinnacle of JRPGs because at no point you're out of the immersion since it never does anything extremely wrong to make you realize you're analyzing a game.
It barely gives any attack points except for the sometimes confusing progression
>>344757113
Chrono Trigger is about as fined tuned an RPG can really be
it's what every game should be
Varied cast and setting
no time filler like grinding or fetch quests so the game flows and isn't to long
consistent strength gaps between bosses that aren't insanely wide
well written story with multiple ends
etc
but the thing with Chrono Trigger is that it really doesn't cater to any niches that attract more people to it
its whatever game should strive to be like first, but then try to be better in their own ways, yet funny enough there really aren't a lot of games that have learned the perfection that CT is
but looking how more popular other games are especially one in its own generation, and all these posts saying other stuff it just goes to show you that pandering pleases more people than fine tuning your game to hit all markets
>>344769308
Like any medium, there's good and bad. Chrono Trigger was written by Yuji Horii and Masato Kato. Two writers who focus on subtle writing and appealing to all age groups. FFXV was written by two writers who are trying to pander directly to 14 year old boys and girls.
In other words, Chrono Trigger is written well and FFXV will be Naruto level writing with flashy graphics.
>>344765942
Probably since it's the same artist who did Dragonball Z, which let's face it, is as international as Mario.
I still havent beaten Lavos
>>344770316
Take him on by going through the black ship thing, there's enough enemy encounters there to level you up plenty.
>>344770316
That's lameos.
>>344770061
I don't think it's Toriyama, it's the overall art style the game uses, that avoids CRAWLING IN MY SKIN like pic related
This anon >>344770037 is spot on. CT appealed to everyone, while XV is clearly going for a certain age group.
>>344770316
I can't even remember what it's like to suck at this game. Last time it gave me a challenge, was when I was 11 years old.
>>344757113
It would be if it wasn't for the superior sequel
>>344770578
Best waifu
Best game
>>344770578
Easy on the bait there friend. I still think Cross is one of the best PS1 RPGs. But its clearly incomplete compared to Chrono Trigger which is one of the most polished and complete games in history. Especially compared to any other Square RPG.
>>344770569
the last time CT gave me a challenge was because I couln't read.
>>344761895
>>344770539
You guys are really missing the point. A game is considered a "weeb" game, when it succumbs to otaku pandering, over genuine creativity.
>>344770369
I destroyed the Epoch
>>344770832
>epoch
It's epona, you fucking retard, and that's a completely different game, I don't know why the hell you bring that shit up here that has nothing to do with it.
>>344761895
It really isn't, though. I guarantee you more people can be convinced to play it as opposed to shit like Tales.
>>344770832
Oh shit, I never thought about that. So if you destroy Epoch on Lavos's outer shell, then you can't reach the Black Omen?
I didn't think the game had any elements that locked the player out of content...
Maybe you can reach the black omen by way of the ocean palace?
>>344771050
Dark Age is limited to a single island after it's destroyed
>>344757335
>>344771050
Fuck off, I'm talking to him, leave him alone.
>>344771408
Fuck you faggot
>>344771584
Fuck off, he was telling me to fuck off. Leave him alone.
This is superior in everyway
>>344771774
>>344771584
>>344771408
>samfagging this hard
>>344757473
Epic. Here's your (you).
Final Fantasy VI blew it the FUCK AWAY
>>344771774
What the fuck is your problem, leave him alone, fuck off
>>344761895
>Le strawman posting xD
Try reading next time.
>>344771937
>
>>344768270
>Good story
>good OST
>no random encounters
>commonplace
Wat?
>>344771931
>Forced grinding or else you do 1 damage to regular enemies
>Bloody Mary
>Magic system makes no sense
>muh zombie lolis
>muh blasphemy
>muh downer ending
>>344770578
>First half you don't know wtf is going on
>Second half is rushed story
This and the 2nd cd of Xenogears were the downfall of Squaresoft.
>>344772441
nah you're just retarded
>>344772197
Fuck off, leave him alone he's telling us we're samefags
>CT
>pinnacle
not even the best SNES RPG
That's metal max 2
>>344760818
IGN pls
>>344757113
I played it on ps1 and the load times made it unplayable for me.
Actually have a snes copy but have no desire to play it again.
>>344772796
>smug animeposter from /a/ posting a game no one has ever heard about before
What a surprise.
>>344773158
>>344773158
>no one has ever heard before
That's how one makes it easy to tell they're plebs and only hang around plebs.
Not that thinking Trigger is an above average RPG doesn't do that flawlessly enough.
>>344771026
You... didn't play CT, did you? Epoch was the time ship, dude.
It's not even the best SFC JRPG.
Hint: There are multiple SMT games on the SFC.
>>344766415
single techs do more damage in most situations. Only a few double techs are worth using
Most triple techs are completely useless except for like the reraise on a LLG/speedrun
>>344773572
Are you just trying to fill your contrarian opinion quota for today?
>>344773875
>having taste = being contrarian
k
stay plen
>>344773572
>if you don't know about my favorite obscure games you're a pleb
>>344774246
Why won't ogre fuck lewd elf
>>344774246
Why dont you try to get more in with people who knows about JRPGs instead of just going to /v/
If you think MM is obscure you just lack exposure, which is typical of chrono fags.
>>344774992
Look buddy. Just because your group of friends talk about it doesn't mean that your favorite japan exclusive rpg is not obscure.
>>344757345
>/a/ fag that thinks little bobblehead anime girls with bug eyes is the pinnacle of anime art detected
>>344774992
This is the game you're making a big deal about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD8LwUVpqew
Is this the part where you tell me I'm a pleb for thinking this looks like absolute shit. I like Chrono Trigger because it doesn't look like a Final Fantasy clone.
>>344757345
End yourself or go back to your shithole, honestly, i don't know what's worse.
>>>/a/
>>344775572
>posting an NES remake instead of metal max returns
>>344776081
>Smug anime faggot says "metal max 2"
>Google "metal max 2"
>Get chastised for not knowing the obscure REAL title.
This is why no one like hipsters.
>>344776234
Metal max isn't obscure though, its been talked about on /vr/ many times.
>>344774091
Name 5 issues with CT
>>344776485
/vr/ not the obscure board for jaded 30+ hipsters who dig through the bottom of the retro barrel because they're sick of current mainstream games.
Anyone got that picture showing how most of the game would be DLC if CT came out today?
>>344776696
>>344776485
Forgot my meme arrow
>
>>344767496
>dq3
>pinnacle
dumb nipposter. literally playing it now and its alright even in 2016 but so is ff1 which is worse in ever regard. i argue that 4,5,6,7,8,9 are better in most aspects as well
>>344757485
Dr.Slump is really well drawn.
>>344757113
It never was. It was never close. It's faily good but pic related is the pinnacle.
>>344765274
>better gameplay
Fuck no. Being able to constantly change your party dynamic is why smt games are so fun.
DDS is just trying to pander to final fantasy kids.
>>344778372
You're not fooling anyone.
>>344778372
I've always like Shining Force better.
>>344778372
the only thing Phantasy Star games did isforge my JRPG skill in labyrinthine maps and temper my soul with mandatory grinds. especially 1 and 2
>>344776234
>>344776234
Are you for fucking real pleb?
Why don't you try like, lurking more?
>>344776680
I can name anything it does, and other games does it better.
Think MM2 for instance, or the DS version, Reloaded
It's like Chrono Trigger on steroids, except with a crazy post apocalyptic setting, awesome side quests, insane vehicle customization and classes
Open, non-linear story and world that was way ahead of its time.
Game is like the perfect mix of the premises of trigger and fallout series and does everything better.
Fuck, even Romancing Saga 2 is miles ahead of Trigger, go play that on your phone or something
>>344776974
Learn how to read. He said DQVIII was the pinnacle, followed by other games.
>>344771027
>>344772141
If someone is going to refuse to play a game for being too Japanese, they're not going to fucking stop when they see CT and go "oh yeah wait that looks good"
>>344757113
I will never understand why people think CT is a good JRPG. The combat is really generic trash with pretty much 0 difficulty or thinking involved, if you want some generic JRPG combat pretty much any DQ from V onward would be vastly superior. Hell, DQ games even feature Toriyama as well.
The only thing CT has that stands above it's peers is it's music, otherwise other JRPGs have more interesting combat and stories executed as well if not better. Actually CT has some really solid pacing as well but I'm not sure if that can be chalked up to length alone. I consider DQVIII to be the superior generic JRPG but DQVIII felt like a slog to get through at times, can't say the same about CT.
>>344764954
see, this >>344772796 guy brought up a game people who know CT likely haven't heard of
Not really. It had a great combat system but the game itself was pretty linear, all things considered. You still need to know where to go, but the world map(s) are so small that it hardly matters. The story has a lot of room to branch out but never ventures further than some minor sidequests.
>>344780267
>romancing saga 2
lmao looks like a shitty Final Fantasy just looking at its battle system
