BF1 is gonna suck. Not because of stupid white guilt"revisionist" history Dice Sweden is pulling or the hype not being able to live up to expectation.
It is because that this shit is exactly the same as fucking all the Battlefield games. The only thing unique is the blimp and the mustard gas. It is a literal reskin. Fuck all the praise about being unique.
From a guy that has played the Alpha and you know it is fucking bullshit when people are shooting MGs from the hip and semi-automatic rifles are in abundance.
I just wanted another good RO2 clone from a AAA studio.... Why /v/...
>>344683304
DESU the lack of optics on most weapons means that most fighting will be close quarters, and the maps look like general Euro terrain scattered with destructable buildings; things we havent seen since Bad Company 2. No more shitty meme cities
>>344683304
>watch some videos of alpha players
>zeppelins are flying fortresses for whatever reason
>tanks are faster than for whatever reason
>everyone has automatic weapons for whatever god damn reasn
But it will still sell a ton and I mean who cares, look at FC Primal, Mirrors Edge Catalyst or Just Cause 3.... no one talks about those games anymore
>>344683626
Honestly if it's more like BC2 I won't be too angry
What are the maps looking like? Are they in urban areas? Trenches?
>>344683868
Looks like mostly bombed out villages. There is only one map with trenches and they're not even the primary focus of it.
>>344683756
Word
>>344683868
it's mostly rural, which is definitely good
>>344683304
but anon, All battlefields have been the exact same game since the first one.
If you think WWII armchair generals are bad, just wait for this game to get released. The internet is going to be flooded with teenage Americans just dying to show off what experts they are of WWI history.
>>344683868
Trenches were early and mid war. Fighting did reach urban areas in late war. There were also more semi-automatic and automatic weapons in late war but still not on the scale of B1
>>344683304
Eh, I have little interest with BF1 going the WW1 route. Just zero interest, but hopefully whatever TECHNOLOGY developments they make for BF1 will be able to be brought into the fold whenever they come back to a modern warfare setting game again.
>>344684152
But nothing beats the feeling of playing Strike At Karkand and manning the stationary MG to shot at those infidels rushing the city.
>>344684324
The post below yours is literally what you just said
>>344683304
>same as fucking all the Battlefield games.
>It is a literal reskin
You're... just... realizing this? Like, after BF3, BF4 and BFH?
>>344683868
The one I got into was basically a town in the center and a shitton of plains around it.
>>344683756
>>344684120
It does not play like BFBC2. It reminded me of the Homefront 1 multiplayer for some reason.
>>344683304
>I just wanted another good RO2 clone from a AAA studio.... Why /v/...
Really retard, did you expect DICE to do that?
Man you're fucking retarded.
>>344684537
>It does not play like BFBC2
>>344683626
>and the maps look like general Euro terrain scattered with destructable buildings; things we havent seen since Bad Company 2. No more shitty meme cities
>what is Golmud Railway
>>344683304
What is even the point in having mustard gas if you give ALL players MG and automatic rifles? It's not like they are forced to stay in a single position, they're just gonna run around with their MG's not giving a shit.
>>344684324
The worst thing is the game is going to make everyone think coloreds were a common sight in WW1. Or that everyone had automatic weapons.
The last good battlefield game was 2142, bad company series was not bad but its been massive shit since. Anyone expecting a game from EA in 2016 is a fucking idiot.
>>344684152
look at this fucking retard
>>344683304
theirs nothing wrong with battlefield. if its gonna be the same, that's more incentive for me to get it.
>>344683304
>This Battlefield game is a Battlefield game
Guess what, it's part of a series and there a meaningful changes to people who actually play these games. Hardline was what you'd call "a literal reskin" but it was also different enough that it's fucking garbage and no one plays it. Weird how changing the setting and everything in the game makes the difference between a good game that people still play and a shit game that no one plays even though it's newer.
>>344684451
>>344684152
We all knew what to expect from BF3, BF4, and BFH. FFS, BF3 and 4 had classic maps in them so it was bascially advertising it was a reskin.
What I didn't fucking expect is Dice literally fucking with historical weapons used in WWI.
>>344683664
>for whatever reason
It has to be fun for an average player
>>344684759
the one bf4 map that isnt a city
and its fucking
TERRIBLE
>>344685346
it's my favorite map
take THAT
It's going to be bad because it's a Battlefield game.
>>344685318
Trying to disable a slow moving chunk of steel by disabling the tracks or setting it on fire would be just as fun.
Why do BF fanboys constantly praise DICE for being "risky" all the time?
>it's just a regular battlefield game with a skin to make it look like something that is popular right now
Wow so risky
>DICE hasn't shown they know how to make good maps and BF1 looks like more of the same with giant open areas to run across and minimal cover at flags
>Vehicle balance has been off in BF4, they nerfed every single counter to vehicles, will probably make tanks super OP in bf1 because there are less of them
>Seeing that this is titled BF1 it's probably just a $120 spinoff while they wait to announce BF5 next year
Eh, I just don't see it. They totally fucked up BF4s release and then continued to screw over game balance throughout the entire time it's been out. Not interested in in this at all.
>>344685346
city maps are fun though
>Tfw the music in this game sucks ass
What happened to the god-tier pre-Bad Company music?
>>344685823
BF5 better have EU forces
>game franchise doesn't change
>people hate it
>game franchise gradually tries new things
>people hate it because in a few years, it doesn't look like the original
Anyways, I haven't played a Battlefield game since BF3, I'm excited even if it is just a reskin.
>>344685697
retarded redditors
I like the Battlefield series but DICE makes stupid fucking decisions in every entry that holds the games potential back, it's just not disappointing enough for me to not buy the game though
>>344685962
It's a pretty dick move of them to tease the everliving fuck out of a 2142ish title and then not do it. The last maps in bf4 were literally the prelude to it.
If they wanted to make a WW2 game so much why didn't they just make a WW2 game?
>>344686220
>The last maps in bf4 were literally the prelude to it.
Feels like they went a different direction after COD starting going the near-future route too
damn shame
>>344686272
They want to spread diversity and progressiveness to all the wars first
do you get defibs still, if they were in the alpha
squad wiping only to watch them all come back from suicide zapping medic has had me considering uninstalling most of the old games alot recently, if that particular feature carries over I won't even bother with '1'.
>>344686220
>Campaign is about the formation of the PAC
>Every DLC has prototype weaponry seen in 2142
>The last DLC that has hovertanks and the titan factory
>lolno we ww1 now
So fucking stupid
>I just wanted another good RO2 clone from a AAA studio
Why would you expect Battlefield to become RO?
Why would you expect any game in an established franchise to morph into something else over the course of one game?
>>344686405
There's a morphine syringe that functions the same as the defib
>>344683304
even the new star wars battlefront is a battlefield reskin
>>344683304
People like Battlefield though.
>>344685496
Yup. Anyone who is past being a gamer grill would have a ton of fun figuring out how they will take down a tank with bolt actions, teargas and a maxim. Having to actually use tactics and cummincation, you know?
But nah let's just make up some alternate history and throw in some semi auto rifles, an rpg or two for each "faction" and call it a fuckin day. Oh yeah and then Premium. Kek.
>>344686601
watch someone respond to this seriously
>>344686440
Because red orchestra tries to focus on the whole large squads of bolt action foot soldiers with limited specialised roles.
This is just going to be BF2 with some fucking mustard gas
>>344684324
>>344684890
Honestly I think it'll have a positive effect on WW1 knowledge, though that says more about the dire state of the public's knowledge than anything about the game. Most people can't name the combatants beyond US/UK/France vs Germany, and a not insignificant portion of people don't even know when it started or ended. I learnt about the Zaamurets from it at least.
>>344685904
But it is the pre-BC style of music. No techno or dubstep here.
>>344685164
>literally fucking with historical weapons used in WWI.
Would you like to show me where there are inaccuracies in the depiction of the weapons? Beyond the presence of a prototype Lee Enfield sight on a lot of the guns, and the M1907 having too small a magazine for its ammo capacity, I'm not seeing anything inaccurate here.
>>344686418
They did it because all the CoD-babbies were crying about there being too many sci-fi shooters.
>>344686584
thanks anon. no more 'how are you even alive, you have no skull' 's for me.
>>344686040
>game franchise doesn't change
>people hate it
>game franchise gradually tries new things
>people hate it because in a few years, it doesn't look like the original
The problem here is that DICE changes what is good and doesn't change what is bad, BF1 so far looks like all of the worst parts of BF3 and 4 just with a """"WW1""" skin slapped onto it. Hardline specifically brought in a lot of great mechanics and yet none of them are present in BF1, you've also got the timeframe not really allowing for great kit balance so things like an engineer class are totally removed. Map design is probably their biggest fault and everything shown thus far confirms that they still like large open spaces surrounding each objective, gameplay wise it's a total mess and not all that fun when you're only option is to sprint across open ground or your team gets spawn camped because you have nowhere to go.
Ontop of all of this they completely removed spawning mechanics in BF4 and it looks like BF1 didn't see them re-implemented, players spawn randomly in their designated area even if it's directly infront or behind of an enemy.
>>344685823
BF4 has amazing vehicle balance, get good.
It has the best vehicle balance in the series.
>>344683626
t. overly optimistic
I don't get why you faggots keep lying to yourself. If you have played every BF from BFBC to now (older ones don't reflect the obvious route DICE has taken), then you know that this OMG BFBC2 element!!!!111 shit doesn't exist. You cucks said the same shit in BF3, 4, Hardline, and now this. For fucks sake. DICE went on record saying they have 0 fucking clue about how BFBC2 was great. We will NEVER. NEVER FUCKING EVER. Get another BFBC game that played like a BFBC game, not even it's elements.
This game is gonna be a reskin of BF4
>tfw people think this broken mess is a good game
>tfw it is a shitshow of a game and sucks in nearly every goddamn aspect
Here is what the game is. Reskin BF4, keep shit map design, millions of guns meme when only 3 are useful, classes not playing how they should be because DICE doesn't know what the fuck they are doing (expect medic to be the go to class for the 4th straight game), explosive spam? come on down!, and my favorite, potato and duct tape servers.
BFBC2 was the game that put this series on the map for casuals and hardcore alike, it was also the last good one that had done everything right. The series is casual trash now. Never forget.
>we want the casual COD crowd
>>344685904
Are you saying
>all around me are familiar faces..worn out places..
Isn't amazing music? Get real dude, the nostalgia is fuckin with your head.
>______ is just ________ but with ________
there's the door
>>344686418
I blame COD.
>>344686440
Cause RO proved bolt action rifle combat could be done.
>>344686768
Other than Halo there are no real Sci-fi shooters
unless you consider the exo-suit shit sci-fi which is retarded
>Nobody is using a bolt
>WW1
The only thing really pissing me off is the firepower and accuracy of those fucking guns. These things were basically one step above shitty western repeaters, and in BF1 they're fucking sniper rifles.
The whole point of WWI was mobility outclassed armaments. It was much easier to move than it was to shoot. The main purpose of the trenches and no man's land was to bog down troops so they could shoot them without missing. Almost every aspect of combat revolved around cqc. Gas, shotguns, and shelling were all effective because of this fact.
>>344683304
Not only is it a reskin, it's a reskin with far less gameplay options due to the time period it's trying to emulate.
Game is going to be complete shit.
>>344686726
>This is just going to be BF2 with some fucking mustard gas
It's more of a mixture of Battlefield 4 and Battlefront mechanics in a WW1 skin.
So far it's the best battlefield. Less spammy, looks the best, has all the good features of past games + some such as climbing over most walls and not needing to open a parachute for every jump out a window, and has a large open map with lots of places for close combat. It has better spawning mechanics around objectives. Also the weather effects on maps, clear, fog, rain are pretty sweet.
As long as the full game has lots of maps and not 6 you play over and over it'll be great. Probably get it once DLC has been released or some keyreseller steals a bunch.
>>344686974
>unless you consider the exo-suit shit sci-fi which is retarded
That's near-fufture at most, we already have prototype exosuits right now.
>>344686757
>Would you like to show me where there are inaccuracies in the depiction of the weapons? Beyond the presence of a prototype Lee Enfield sight on a lot of the guns, and the M1907 having too small a magazine for its ammo capacity, I'm not seeing anything inaccurate here.
I am not talking about the complex nature of guns. Yeah past guns were shit. I am talking about standard semi-auto guns and automatic guns being in abundance in WWI.
What is wrong with standard Bolt-Action rifles that were actually used by the common soldier in WWI?
>>344683304
>people pretend they want realism in vidya
You don't though or else you wouldn't be playing video games. If people wanted realistic shooters then RO2, Insurgency, and ARMA would be on most played lists, not CS:GO and TF2
Also, no AAA company has made a remotely pseudo-realistic FPS.
>>344686726
Is mayonaise gas a weapon?
>>344685318
people like world at war and it had even more bolt action guns than this game will, I don't know why devs love to coddle so much, just give people the benefit of the doubt that they might enjoy something different, it's battlefield, people will buy it regardless.
>>344687027
>The whole point of WWI was mobility outclassed armaments.
Does BF1 really lack semi-auto rifles or is this just another meme?
>>344687027
Stop posting this shitty bait in every BF1 thread.
>>344686974
Black Ops 3 was obviously Sci-fi, it literally had a fucking insane AI/virus that was fucking with your mind through a god damn neural link.
>>344687218
there are semi-autos but everyone and their mother are using the automatic weapons if all the alpha gameplay is anything to go by
>>344687218
The medic class uses self-loading rifles.
>>344687051
>far less gameplay options
>due to the time period it's trying to emulate
That isn't stopping DICE at all.
>>344687165
>If people wanted realistic shooters then RO2, Insurgency, and ARMA would be on most played lists,
Arma 3 is consistently in the top 15 most played games on Steam m8.
>>344687214
Another kid trying to prove he is an expert in WWI.
>>344687157
>What is wrong with standard Bolt-Action rifles that were actually used by the common soldier in WWI?
because it's BOOOOORING for the modern gamer
>>344687218
from what I have seen in alpha videos, no
but why bother with something thats not automatic when you can just spray and pray
>>344687214
Cavalry was still used, along with tanks. The tactic of bum rushing opponents completely subverted the usual stand still planned battle nonsense.
Someone charging you from 15 yards away with pic related had the advantage due to gun jamming and weapon accuracy.
>>344687410
Show the comparison in numbers to the other games I stated. May as well be an ocean of difference
>>344687473
The modern gamer is retarded, so that's a good thing.
>>344687185
>had even more bolt action guns than this game will
>CoD-WaW had 4 bolt actions
>Bolt actions confirmed for BF1
>Springfield
>Mauser 98
>Lee-Enfield
>Mannlicher M1895
I didn't count the lever action because it doesn't count.
They haven't even revealed the entire weapons list and everyone is already crapping their pants.
>>344687504
>15 yards
>weapon accuracy
yeah im sure its going to skew 45 degrees off
>>344687072
>As long as the full game has lots of maps and not 6 you play over and over it'll be great.
9 maps, plus possibly at least one free one after release.
>>344687157
You said "fucking with historical weapons". I assumed you were talking about inaccuracies in the guns themselves, not the lack of bolt actions beyond the Scout class.
>>344687410
Your point? DICE and EA will never target the audience of those games.
DICE will never make a RO clone, when are you stupid fucks going to get it through your skulls, ever since BF1 was announced I've seen droves and droves of retards saying "ZOMG RED ORCHESTRAFIELD BASED DICE" then when it's shown that it's just another fucking battlefield game (as should be, mind you) you start crying and saying that DICE has forsaken you and shit.
Like, seriously, how retarded do you have to be to expect DICE and EA to make a AAA shooter that's anything like RO AT ALL. Battlefield is a fucking ARCADE SHOOTER series, why in the name of hell would it suddenly morph into a realistic borderline milsim game?
Are you really that delusional?
>>344687027
>>344687504
>this faggot baiting in every BF1 thread with the same pictures and pasta
>>344687504
Only useful if you can get into the trench, and that's the hard part. The reason trench warfare developed was because it was too easy to sit there and just shoot everybody who attacked with a machine gun. Or just bomb them with artillery.
>>344687165
>RO2
>Realistic
Kek.
I mention RO2 because it is a game where bolt-action rifles were the common weapon and was actually fun.
>>344687531
But DICE want the modern gamer to buy their game, they're a AAA studio, they don't give a fuck about "hardcore" players, they want the CoD kiddies and other causals.
>>344687527
Literally within spitting distance, and it's often in the top 10.
Not my fault that you're a casual, stick to consoles where you belong.
>>344687660
>RO2
>realistic milsim
You dumb nigger, RO2 is borderline arcade, hell, it even has arcade modes.
>>344687784
getting into a trench was actually relatively easy
the impossible part was actually holding and defending a captured trench against the counter assault because trenches were intentionally designed to be as easy to capture from the rear as possible
>This game isn't what I expected so it's going to be shit
>>344687660
I'm convinced this entire board is delusional. The majority just want to fit in with the hive mind so they just spout all the memes and jump on every hype train that rolls in.
It's frightening considering most are real people typing this shit.
>>344687773
>One Verdun thread from 10 hours ago is every BF1 thread
Dude, you bait isn't even clever, let alone popular.
Think about how righteous a modern Titan mode would be if they did 2143 instead of ww1.
>No hover vehicles
>No in atmosphere space ships to board
>No mechs
No thanks.
Seriously I thought that's why they didn't have ground to space combat in battlefront, i thought they were saving it for 2143
>>344687504
don't forget of the legendary Polish winged hussar charges, said to be fearsome in WW2
afaik the validity of it happening to some great effect though besides its being cool on paper is dubious though
>>344687410
To be fair: RO2 got assfucked by the devs and Insurgency got fucked by the garbage ass community even when it was still a free mod and that hasnt changed
>>344687639
>You said "fucking with historical weapons". I assumed you were talking about inaccuracies in the guns themselves, not the lack of bolt actions beyond the Scout class.
When I was talking about "historical weapons", I meant that I am pretty sure that an abundance of common soldiers never had prototype semi-automatic and automatic rifles.
>>344687876
Lets be real, no one plays arcade in RO2. People play it to simulate WW2. Most people don't like the idea of running across a battlefield for three minutes just to get blown up or die in one hit or even die right when you spawn. Its not a noob friendly game.
FYI bolt actions are still good in BF1 as long as you dont play like a total shitter, this is why everyone here thinks they dont exist/are bad in BF1.
>>344687876
Uh, not sure where you learned math but there's orders of magnitude of difference between CS:GO and ARMA.
Maybe you forgot to photoshop the image?
>>344687876
>Over 5 times the amount of people at it's peak
>Spitting distance
All the alpha footage ive seen has been people running around with machine guns. I was kinda hoping for bolt action rilfes everywhere. Guess its just gonna be like the other BF games
>>344687504
Cavalry was used by many of the major powers of WW2, as well. That doesn't mean they fought on horseback. You don't expect motorized infantry to drive their trucks straight towards the enemy's lines, either.
>>344688087
Insurgency is fine. I've played since the mod and it has only gotten better. How the fuck do you think it got worse? You're an idiot if you just go around shitting on games, indie games no less, because it's 4chan and it's c00l to be edgy.
>>344687504
The hand to hand warfare of WWI has been horribly exaggerated over the years, mainly because the weapons look cool. They were really only used as a last resort (as with knives in all wars) or by small teams during night raids. You wouldn't be charging in the day with one, and if you managed to make it into an enemy trench during a normal attack you sure as shit wouldn't put away your spear/club (that can fucking shoot) to pull out your nailboard.
>>344688130
>no one plays arcade in RO2.
>>344688190
>>344688205
Obviously it doesn't compare to CSGO, literally no other games compared to CSGO and Dota 2 in terms of playercount, but as far as the rest are concerned it's relatively close.
>>344688254
As a person who basically wanted the same thing... yep sorry bud.
>>344688335
You dont need to justify the money you spent on a mediocre mod, really.
>>344683304
>The only thing unique is the blimp and the mustard ga
Except Verdun has 4 different gas types and got released before BF1
>>344688393
Nobody plays arcade in RO.
t. over 400 hours in RO2/RS
>>344687876
How the fuck does Civ V still have that many players to this day?
>>344688337
>you sure as shit wouldn't put away your spear/club (that can fucking shoot) to pull out your nailboard
akchually you would. trenches were too narrow to use bayonets effectively and it was hard to work a bolt in the middle of a fist fight. if you had a shorter weapon you had more control over your opponent's. there's a reason germans would sharpen their shovels.
>>344687973
You're just plain fucking wrong. The consensus among nearly all historians is that trench warfare and the stalemate developed because firepower was much greater than mobility, and tanks and other inventions helped to break the stalemate by providing more mobility.
>>344688520
Cause it is fun anon.
>>344688475
>4 different gas types
So fucking what? Four new shades of green fog? Wooooo!
>>344688337
They were used mostly by suicide squads, people like deserters who were never expected to succeed and it was basically like sending them to a firing squad without wasting your own bullets.
>>344688107
Considering japan just barely had an idea of semi autos (they had one semi auto prototype that was gonna be the model for mass production but the boat carrying the prototype fucking sunk kek) you'd be right. There's no fucking way they think anyones gonna believe that in ww1 ALL of the factions and units had semi autos. That's just a retarded move. They took the lazy way out, instead of making gameplay that felt heavy and fun they just threw in semi autos like it'd fix whatever issues it has.
>>344688475
>>344688520
Because it's a good game.
>>344688520
mods
also some dumb fuckers who started a marathon multiplayer game at launch
>>344688071
>Polish winged hussar charges, said to be fearsome in WW2
Jesus christ, American education.
>>344688107
Only one prototype weapon so far, and it far predates WW1.
>>344684341
Yeah nah mate. Trenches were a persistent part of warfare post-1914.
>>344687973
>getting into a trench was actually relatively easy
Stop. I can't. I am getting off for today. Fucking Summerfags.
Battlefield: Heroes was the best battlefield
Prove me wrong
>Pro tip: you can't.
>>344688437
>>344688851
>ruined by the Pay2Win shitfest
Yeah nah
Playing BF solo is fucking terrible, but luckily I'll have a squad of 5 people for maximum comfort.
>>344688183
DMRs in large open maps are some of the best weapons to use in BF4, too. I don't see why the semi auto in BF1 won't be any different.
>>344688625
Different lethality timers. Get fucked.
>>344688625
They experimented during the war with different gasses with ranging effects. Musterdgas was used because the casualties needed very intense medical care, the gas had quite a low mortality rate. It was used to incapacitate hospitals with an overflow of people needing medical care.
>>344689001
How to make bf4 friends?
>>344689101
The Mondragon is a 3 shot kill from medium to short distance. Anyone who says semi-autos are bad is either a baddie or has never played.
>>344689213
like the ol' "good snipers kill, great snipers wound"
DICE have fucked up badly with BF1.
WW1 didn't have to mean grognard dysentery and trench foot simulator, but what it did invite was a refresh and broadening of the ankle deep mechanics that have made BF become a stale graphic showpiece. They completely and almost contemptuously shunned this opportunity.
It won't last, but maybe that's the point? If the core mechanics are enough to satisfy, you won't need to but the 3 expansion packs and inevitable sequel.
>>344689217
They're my IRL friends and a guy I've played games with now for 10 years so, I dunno.
>>344689213
This is actually correct. Out of all the WWI experts now on this thread.
>>344689163
None of which are quick enough to kill with. BF1 does gas better by restricting you to hipfire.
>>344689217
You don't
randoms in battlefield are the dumbest motherfuckers to exist so good luck finding a group unless you sell your soul to satan and join a server community
>>344689101
>>344689254
I aint ever talkin about semi, the scout bolt action rifles with no scopes are really good. The british? 1 with 10 shots is the slowest firing 1 but 1 shots anyone with a bit of damage and 1 pistol shot after a body shot will kill anyone. Any 2 shots from the rifle will kill anyone, the open scope hipfire is tight and easy to use too, so in close quarters you can shoot once and then melee if you have to since melee axe is 2 hits with no damage.
>>344684447
hmmmm
I'll admit i don't really have much clue about tactics, guns etc used in WW1 beside the trench warfare and so on. Did they really fight like you do in BF1?
>>344688661
>Germans first used all three lethal gases
The Eternal Teuton.
>>344689675
shut the fuck up
>>344683304
>stupid white guilt"revisionist" history
Somehow I find it difficult to believe that you haven't let this influence your opinion at all.
>>344689914
W-why?
>>344683304
haha right? the original battlefeilds were set during world war 1 and 2 era, what the fuck is so new about this one?
>>344686768
I bet next BF is sequel to 2042 when CoD go back to WW2
>>344689690
Yeah but the allies used gas attacks far more then the germans by the end of the war due to more favourable wind conditions most of the time. Also germany had one of the largest chemical industries in the world which developed these gasses hoping to end the war quickly and prevent further loss of life.
I think the best part of this is how people are talking about how apparently BF1 is going to replace text books and documentaries about WW1.
Somehow a couple of black soldiers get into a WW1 game and whites are going to get completely rewritten from history because of it.
Let's forget that half the bitching is about Wikipedia shit like the correct sights on a rifle or the amount of SMGs were produced, suddenly everyone is going to accept it as fact because Battlefield 1 said so.
Meanwhile in reality, people realize this is a mass produced entertainment product and not a representation of history as BF1942 was.
No one takes movies like Braveheart or The Patriot as historical fact, why would anyone think a video game is any different?
>>344690168
2142 you dunce
>>344690226
Yeah... That is not going to happen you fucking drama queen. A video game inaccuracies is not going to be accepted as the truth.
>>344690226
It's not improving anything by not being true to history
it's pushing their agenda into media, people who say rewriting history though are full of shit
>>344690416
That's literally what I said.
>>344690416
That's exactly his point.
>>344690226
>No one takes movies like Braveheart or The Patriot as historical fact
Oh you sweet summer child.
To be fair most shooters are just running around in circles like an idiot and clicking on heads
You have to be autistic to enjoy doing that over and over
>>344690491
>>344690497
My bad, I was wrong..
>>344690824
To be fair most video games are just clicking on things
you have to be autistic to enjoy doing that over and over
>>344690824
To be fair most books are just recognizing arbitrary patterns in symbols
You have to be autistic to enjoy doing that over and over
Daily reminder that some guys are working on a free 2142 server system. Get ready for 2142 /v/ nights.
>>344688003
most are shills too.
>>344690625
Maybe NO ONE is an overstatement, but the slightest bit of research shows that they're meant as historical fiction, based more on the period than the actual history.
There will always be a select group who "learn" their history from products intended to entertain rather than educate, but it's not like these people are academics with any sway.Braveheart has something else going for it in that it's a movie for Americans, and I don't think they many Americans bothered learning about Scottish history during the Middle Ages.
>It's the same as fucking all the Battlefield games
People who expected a simulator out of this is just fucking retarded.
>>344684152
>Battlefield 1942 and 1943
>Accurate depictions of WW2
>Battlefield Vietnam and Bad Company 2: Vietnam
>Accurate depictions of Vietnam War
>Battlefield 1918 mod for 1942
>Accurate depiction of WW1
>Battlefield 1
>EVERYONE WAS BLACK, THE RUSSIANS AND FRENCH WEREN'T AS RELEVANT AS AMERICA OR ITALY, EVERY PLANE IS THE RED BARON, EVERY GUN IS A BARELY FIELDED SEMIAUTO CARBINE, HEAVY WW1-ERA MACHINE GUNS ARE HIPFIREABLE, FUCK TRENCHES
>nah man all the battlefields are dumb lol
>>344683304
>having any optimism for a game developed by EA
>>344691278
people who expected the developers to pick up a book and make the game historically accurate are fucking stupid too.
>>344685164
Every single weapon in the game was either used in the war or a prototype. Literally how it always has been on Battlefield games. Fucking research for once dumbass
>That soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9afoUafD0-s
Glad to see they brought back orchestral instead of the PVVZZZT PVVZT
>>344691425
>Battlefield 1942 and 1943
>Accurate depictions of WW2
>>344690474
No one is forced to stay "true" to history. You can do whatever you want. Remember how /v/ was saying that if SJW's wanted to change the industry then they should start making their own videogames? Well, now it's happening and there's nothing wrong with that.
>>344691713
Yes but sometimes you need to take a step back and see if the changes you are making improves the game in any way, saying you are staying true to history then adding blacks to british infantry is just going to cause a shitstorm among fans that know their shit, and maybe a few people who will pick up the game and play the campaign will applaud you on twitter.
It's just them wasting effort to appeal to an audience that doesn't care for your game and alienates people who are playing your game
>>344688703
any evidence to back that up?
>>344692038
god you people are so gay
>>344683304
Tons of non whites died fighting in the first world war, but I shouldn't expect a white trash hillbilly to understand that.
>>344692605
>MFW people think I am white.
>>344687165
RO2 might have been with a good Dev.
>>344691425
>THE RUSSIANS AND FRENCH WEREN'T AS RELEVANT AS AMERICA OR ITALY
Why do people keep saying this? DICE just chose the stories they wanted to tell, and they wanted to show the Italian front which as far as I can tell has never been shown outside of Italian war dramas. I'm psyched for Italy.
>EVERY PLANE IS THE RED BARON
You're already wrong seeing as how there are three place classes and the others haven't been added yet.
>FUCK TRENCHES
THERE'S TRENCHES IN THE ALPHA MAP
>HEAVY WW1-ERA MACHINE GUNS ARE HIPFIREABLE
You can't even take heavy machine guns with you.
>EVERYONE WAS BLACK
There are 3 black soldiers, 1 Indian, and the rest are white. 3/8. 3/12 if you remember that pilot and tanker have their own skins now. We don't even know what the Italians, Ottomans, Americans, Austrian, or French models will be. If it really bothers you that much then you can just change your model to unlockable ones which was shown in the leak.
Also,
>Bad Company 2: Vietnam
>Accurate depiction of Vietnam War
Yeah, like that time the NVA attacked everyone with motor scooters.
>>344692521
If you expect to be taken seriously then have an actual rebuttal rather than throw an insult
faggot
>>344684152
since bf3
>>344686916
call of duty 2 proved that ages ago
>>344692991
I forgot all about that game... is there still a community because I still have my boxed copy.
>>344691425
>BF4
>Chinese flying F-35s lel
>BFH
>yea that. lel
>muh historical accuracy
>>344692893
like i give a fuck if some fatass takes me seriously while crying about skins in video games
You are the epitome of a modern day crybaby faggot who wines about the most idiotic things non stop
>>344692893
there's nothing to rebuke in your argument. you're making broad assumptions based on how people will react to colonial soldiers in WW1. I've seen 3-5 threads in total about it in on the BF1 forums and reddit, and one that was literal shitposting. The only place you find a controversy about it is on here, and once again half the time it's shitposting that devolves into not even talking about the game.
>>344683664
>Zeppelins
If you could one shot it with a pistol would it be fun?
>Tanks
Tanks ARE very fast and if they were 5 mph would it be fun?
>Automatic
There were plenty of (mostly prototype but still, its an alternate memeverse) automatic guns back then.
>>344690336
its a special release,you probably didn't play it.....my dad worked for dice you see.
>>344694508
zeppelins supposedly had many compartments from my understanding so picturing it a few or even a bunch of times wouldnt down it. Obv not as much as BF but a pistol aint taking down shit
>>344691706
Dude, half the people here never played a bf made before BC2 so why would you take what anyone says in this thread seriously.
>Battlefield 4 still has 41k players on PS4
How?
>>344695021
If you have ever played Rise of Flight, it's pretty hard for a single fighter to take down a zeppelin in a single pass, mostly because of the many compartments you mentioned.
>>344691506
mp18 was used in no major battles of ww1. It was released 2 months before the war ended and like 6 were made.
>>344684537
>It does not play like BFBC2.
That is bad
>It reminded me of the Homefront 1 multiplayer for some reason.
Homefront multiplayer was incredible broken, it is like an attempt to clone natural selection gimmick.
So who asked for this?
I might actually go play Infinite warfare, half the issue with COD is its fanbase, if BF1 cuckwars acts as containment COD might be fun.
I hope they remove the repair shit from the Medic and only allow the tank and pilot classes to repair.
We don't need squads of Medics reviving each other and repairing a tank.
>>344696514
It is either that or Bloodborne
>>344698626
medic can repair? r u sure? I only saw medkit and syringe but i barely played medic
>>344699217
not in alpha but yeah they will get the tool
>>344699217
They will have it in the full game. Its fucking dumb
>semi auto rifles
>health packs
>defib
>repair tool
Way too god damn versatile. If they get any anti-tank then they are fucked from a balance design. I don't want to see 20 of these on each team
>>344698038
You're kidding right? MP18 was issued to several storm trooper units during the Summer Offensive. The Allied Powers took note of it and they banned Germany from making more of them in the Versailles Treaty.
>>344699903
*Spring Offensive
>>344699603
Everyone gets light anti tank grenades if that counts. So they do kinda
>>344699603
TBF, the hammer does shit repair. Nothing like the blow torch where a squad of engineers can make a tank invincible in BF4.
>>344688703
Yeah, he's very serious about that one
>>344691425
>Battlefield 1942 and 1943
>Accurate depictions of WW2
Yeah, I sure remember German jetpack troopers and ground based XF-85 parasite fighters that fly like ufos from history class.
>>344683304
The terrible part is that it would have been trivially easy to make a truly unique Battlefield game using the WWI setting without even changing the arcade gameplay.
>assault, support and scout all start with bolt-action rifle + sidearm (scout gets a scope too)
>the medic carries a LMG, but this can only be hip-fired when not using a bipod due to its bulk
>more 'exotic' weapons such as SMGs and automatic rifles are 'consumables' within matches that are bought with a resource you get from playing the objective
>core game mode is a Rush-alike where the distribution of vehicles reflects reality (e.g. British attackers get plenty of Mark IVs, Whippets and Rolls-Royces while the Germans have field guns everywhere, and German attackers get an A7V and captured Mark IVs while the British get tanks to counter them instead of field guns)
Modern Dice just can't do anything right, apparently. Who would ever think it was a good idea to make a WWI game for the 'unique setting' and then completely squander it by making a WWII game because the modern shooter audience apparently can't handle something new and different?
>>344702778
>more 'exotic' weapons such as SMGs and automatic rifles are 'consumables' within matches that are bought with a resource you get from playing the objective
Terrible.
>>344683304
>be an englishman in 1916
>drafted
>shit, time to pack my things
>"I love you my dearest Veronica, until we meet again"
>"I will never forget you, Reginald, our love will never fade"
>few months later, Battle of Somme
>platoon approaches an abandoned church
>we kneel respectfully at the altar and thank the Lord for being with us in battle
>a shell explodes nearby
>ohfuck.webm
>a wounded frenchman is dragged into the church and bullets begin to whiz by
>he cries something out in french, his hands tremble as he drags out a bloodstained photo of a woman
>"C...Clémence..."
>God bless his soul
>positions are taken and the battle ensues
>take aim through a shattered stained glass window, hands shake as I try to steady my weapon
>platoon leader screams for us to take cover as a metal beast rolls in next to the church
>deafening silence in the church before a grinding sound is heard followed by a loud thud
>strange footsteps echo from outside of the church before moving within the sacristy
>we take aim, ready to unload on those filthy Huns if necessary
>suddenly the footsteps stop
>a shadowy figure emerges from behind the altar
>"GET DEM CRAKAZ"
>all hell breaks loose as strange creatures dance out from behind the altar
>the church suddenly is filled with explosive gunshots, battle cries, and mumbled ebonics
>one creature approaches the wounded frehman and snatches the photograph from his balled fists
>"who be dis cracka biotch"
>he performs unspeakable acts on the image
>suddenly my radio crackles and my ears are filled with the sound of what must be an angel
>"we have taken objective butta"
>what the fuck? where's the grizzled commander? who is this bitch?
>I am dumbfounded as my fellow servicemen drop their weapons and begin apologizing for the slave trade
>>344703089
So how would you manage these weapons that were very rare but did see service? Because the only acceptable alternative I can see is giving them the boot entirely.
>>344703301
Let a few of those kits spawn in the base and people can the rush to get them.
>>344703301
No one complained about the weapons in 1942, so who gives a fuck, like seriously, name on battleifield that was historically accurate to the degree of RO2
Oh wait
none of them
It's sensationalized to work as a multiplayer game. If you don't like it play something else. dongface
>>344703301
I don't really care about the historical side because it's a video game, and that's what this game is balanced towards. The class system currently in the alpha is the most balanced one in a while. No all class weapons, so you have to take notice of where you're going on the map and choose your engagements. It's about working with your squad as a team. If you have a system where you can buy automatic and semi-auto weapons with resources you'll ruin that by essentially getting rid of what makes each class have a limited engagement role. Each class should be competitive, not limited to its role by gadgets, that's what ruined weapon balance in BF4 and made Assault and Engineer one up every other class.
>>344703616
>Better equipment is a reward for running for spawn points like a fag instead of playing the objective
Cancer
>>344704512
Make the bolt actions good enough and it's not going to be a problem. Forgotten Hope worked just fine without everyone running around with an smg, or whatever.
>>344705061
Got first place like 5 times already using bolt action no scope scout
>>344689001
As long as you play the class correctly you will be on top, I just uploaded a recon class guide an hour ago and uploading an engineer guide right now and both times I was on top playing by myself. It is seriously common sense - go to objective - take base - get points - be on top...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYnDms8tuio
>>344704481
>No all class weapons, so you have to take notice of where you're going on the map and choose your engagements. It's about working with your squad as a team. If you have a system where you can buy automatic and semi-auto weapons with resources you'll ruin that by essentially getting rid of what makes each class have a limited engagement role.
And who's to say that assault wouldn't be the only one able to purchase SMGs, and so on and so forth?
>not limited to its role by gadgets, that's what ruined weapon balance in BF4 and made Assault and Engineer one up every other class.
But in a WWI setting you don't get people running around with missile or grenade launchers or what have you because they didn't exist, so pretty much all gadgets would be support, utility or static defence items instead of extra weapons for all occasions.
>>344705195
EXACTLY, as long as you do the objective, you are going to get on top, which most of these COD kiddies don't get, they are more concerned about their K/D ratio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYnDms8tuio
You could totally just watch this video about why BF1 will be a lot different gameplaywise than BF3/4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Kp8PsgXRGY
The reason it looks so similar is because all the retards from the Alpha are playing it exactly like BF4. It will need some time til they adjust their playstyle (except when DIOCE gets bullied into changing the mechanics back to casual because all the COD kiddies can't get no kill with SMG on more than 30m).
>>344688703
it must have been fearsome charging into tanks
>>344705502
The Assault class gets the overwhelming majority of anti-tank weaponry. Giving anti-tank soldiers the ability to engage at all distances is a bad idea. Would you consider gimping the non-scoped bolt actions to not have them be like that? If so, what's the point of even having them in then. It's just a bad system.
>>344691451
>>344706678
Why's it a bad idea? They still need to get pretty close to use their AT shit.
>>344707452
They really don't with the rocket gun, and AT grenades can be thrown quite a distance.
First dlc WHEN?
>>344707959
The first DLC is free. The bad news is it's about a month after launch so that probably means it should have been in the base game to begin with.
ITT
a call of duty player explains to us that call of duty games are all the same
please sir, tell us more about the soldier manshoot soldiershoot mans gamemans shoot mans soldier game shootmans RIGHT CLICK REALISM SOLDIERMANSHOOT
Was Bad Company 2 only praised for its multiplayer, or was the single player actually good too?
>there will never be another Battlefield game that focuses on making good Rush maps
Fucking kill me now, BC2 was so good.
>>344708598
It's pretty forgettable but it at least has better characterization than subsequent Battlefield SP campaigns.
>>344708806
They're remaking Rush in BF1 into a game mode kinda like Verdun's main game mode.
>>344708341
what the fuck
>>344708920
How so? Never played too much Verdun. Is there footage of it?
>>344708886
I liked Bad Company 1 since it felt kinda like Three Kings
>>344683304
>>>344707959
>The first DLC is free.
It must be bait to hook you in for the next 5 paid dlc + bf1 premium right senpai?
you guys think you're history buffs or weapon experts because you play a game designed for a handheld controller?
>>344690226
You REALLY underestimate how fucking stupid the average person is.
There are people who've used Inglorious Basterds as some sort of historical piece.
>>344709217
Uh huh, I'll believe that when I see it.
>>344709406
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Is+Inglorious+Basterds+based+on+a+true+story
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Is+Inglorious+Basterds+real
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Is+Inglorious+Basterds+true
>>344709607
I don't see anything about people claiming it was a true story.
