We all know about what went wrong (rushed development on both releases, TAC, X-Factor, Zero/Vergil/Doom being way too good, among other things) but what about what went right?
Game speed, input buffers, lack of a landing state. MvC3 played like butter. It got the subtle things right.
Viewtiful Joe.
>>344595328
Could you explain the landing state bit? And I agree on on MvC3 playing smooth. Even on a super casual level it just feels like a joy to play and press buttons.
>>344595650
He already showed up in TvC, technically.
>>344594786
>Vergil being too good
He's exactly as powerful as he should be.
>>344594786
playing as broken shit is fun.
phoenix wright
>>344596037
Vergil was a mistake.
>>344596037
To be fair, Wong already blew his xfactor, while balrog had full everything
>>344594786
I really wanted ms marvel to be in.
Now we'll only get captain marvel for all future games
>>344596656
You'll get both next timeimplying there's even going to be a next time
>>344594786
I love the combo system, it feels flexible.
>>344595891
Generally, when landing from a jump in a fighting game, you have a short landing animation. Generally, they're very short and can be canceled into blocking or attacks, but I believe MvC3 has none whatsoever, so you can go from an air state to moving on the ground instantly.
I may be wrong, though. Don't quote me on this.
At least it was something other than Street Fighter. Now Capcom's never gonna make a non-Street Fighter fighting game ever again.
>>344594786
some of the stages look pretty.
>>344597068
Eh, I still believe in Rival Schools 3 in 2018exclusive for NX
I loved that you could dash with two buttons. Dash canceling, air dashing, etc never felt as fun. Fucking hate that other fighting games don't have that
>>344597313
They couldn't make a new Darkstalkers, they're not gonna revive an IP that wasn't even half as successful as that.
>>344594786
it had a lot of replay value and was pretty addicting
but cutting off from my life was for the better
no way I'm paying for live or psn, get that shit outta here I already pay for internet
>>344597380
Marvel has always had that. PPP dashes and KKK super jump shortcuts. I think post Marvel Super Heroes games had HK/HP be the launcher shortcut as well.
>>344597559
Doesn't matter that much if it's a moneyhat.
>>344597729
There's no reason for anyone to moneyhat an obscure series with no real legacy over more influential and well-known series.
>>344594786
>Zero/vergil/doom too good
>Most dominant player right now plays Hulk/Haggar/Sentinel
>>344597380
Now that I think about it, I think these are the only games that do 2 button dashing. Weird.
>>344598467
That doesn't negate the fact that those 3 characters are picked way too often and are too good. Doom in particular is a problem since 9 out of 10 teams WILL have Doom for either PLASMA BEAM or HIDDEN MI-SILES.
>>344598467
>Haggar
How?
>Hulk
HOW?
Because shit like this can happen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Unhph7slWQo
>>344598742
Tons of health + damage out the ass + Hulk wins scrambles most of the times with Drones assist + just damn good playing.
I still think that either MvC4 or MSH 2 will happen eventually, but it'll mostly depend on Disney wanting to get into esports.
>>344596656
Alt costume, then?
>>344596638
xfactor is still fucking stupid
>>344594786
>but what about what went right?
>>344601454
ehh... the game needs it otherwise their would be constant timeouts
>>344598742
iirc hulk/haggar/sentenel won evo last year
>>344601787
Not really. Damage is high and scaling is low for the most part. X-Factor as an idea is fine, but not the execution. Same with TAC.
>>344601973
I still think the game needs xfactor it ends matches quickly or can lead to a comeback its fine but TAC can go away i don't like guessing games especially ones that don't lead into anything if i guess right
Xfactor in theory is a good idea, giving players a chance to comeback. But its too powerful, level 1-2 are fine but level 3 should be removed if they make MVC4 or MVC3 Remastered.
>>344594786
Despite what people usually say the game's balance isn't that terrible
Even She Hulk and Hsien ko can do cool shit and combo, unlike other games in the series where some characters could even combo or could not hit confirm into a super
Some of the top tiers are ridiculous but outside of them the overall cast doesn't have massive gaps between them
The game itself feels good to play. It feels fluid and fast
X factor is a bit overpowered but it does a lot to spice up the game with creative combos and situations or it can serve as an emergency cancel. so I think x factor is a mixed bag and it could be great if they nerfed it a bit
The cast is very varied, includes more obscure characters instead of just what was popular because of the 90's cartoons and it isn't very heavily charged with SF and X-men like MVC2
The game looks good. I really like the shading that they used
I personally really liked that the launchers are mapped to the same button to every character, that makes it easier to pickup other characters and play them
>>344602437
Shulk was nerfed to shit in Ultimate. It's not even fair since only Combofiend made her look good and she still required good execution.
>>344602301
I would like to see xfactor given the v-skill treatment
instead of simply getting faster/stronger each character gets a special trait that enhances their playstyle
>pheonix wright can get turnabout mode
>pheonix turns into dark pheonix
of course these should be adjusted for balance
>>344602584
I know
She used to be great but now people argue that she might be the worst in the game, even worse that Hsien Ko
>>344602584
If only he worked for capcom at the time he could've helped the game's balance
>>344602914
Shame that Combo and Haunts are so low key. I bet they'd do anything to kickstart a new Mahvel game at Capcom.
I think they did the best overall job with their online modes compared to any other game. Every game needs to have a copy of Marvel's Player Match mode. Shame about that netcode, though.
Anyone in the scene know why the Marvel scene dropped off like it did? Why doesn't the game get the same amount of exposure as it used to?
That Seth Killian fought tooth and nail with Marvel to get Storm and Sentinel in when Marvel wanted to say no because of movie bullshit. Bless him for that.
>>344598467
well the game is dead and all the gods don't practice anymore.
kbr plays nothing but marvel, also laria is stupid.
>>344598742
KaneBlueRiver won Evo last year with Hulk/Haggar/Sentinel, blowing the fuck out everyone who said only top tier matters.
>>344603369
The netcode was alright. It wasn't near SF4's netcode, but it was alright from my experience.
>>344594786
If there is anything Ultimate added that was great, it was the spectator mode. What the fuck was wrong with capcom during Vanilla's development? Did they think staring at the lobby screen was okay and not boring?
>>344603430
No real future in terms of support, overexposure and stagnant meta (for the most part)
>>344602437
>I personally really liked that the launchers are mapped to the same button to every character, that makes it easier to pickup other characters and play them
Honestly, this was one of the best changes to the gameplay. Simplifying the game to LMH and a dedicated launcher while also mapping unique mobility options was damn smart.
It feels extremely good to play. Like actually the movement of the characters as they respond to your inputs feels fantastic, which is something a lot of fighters don't have.
Despite being hard to master, it's actually very much a pick up and play game because all the characters usually use the same inputs, they just do different things with their moves.
>>344603630
>The netcode was alright.
No it was not. It was sometimes fine, but a lot of the time it was FUCKING AWFUL and made you never want to touch online.
>>344603524
I really fucking hate it when a company only cares about promoting the latest shit with a game. Fuck your movie, TV show, or porn magazine, they don't need advertisement in a video game, put in characters from all throughout your history or don't make the game in the first place.
This is also one of my biggest problems with Smash Bros and Sakurai's "If they don't have an upcoming game then they can't get in" bullshit.
>>344603430
One reason is because its on last gen consoles and another reason is because a few years ago Marvel cut ties with all their licensed games and taken them off the shelves and offline, including UMVC3 and MVC2. So its hard to find a copy now. But there is hope, Marvel is getting back into video games. I hope they bring UMVC3 to PS4, XB1 and PC to keep the game alive and relevant.
>>344603430
I suspect a combination of Disney meddling and sf+nextgen
>>344603868
Their whole thing is Marvel figures if they do nothing to promote X-Men, then the movies will bomb and the value of the license will fall low enough that Marvel can buy back the movie license.
>>344603430
The earthquake didn't help, either, specially because it was the reason we got Ultimate instead of regular DLC.
>>344603868
>Movie Advertisement: The Roster
That pissed me off too. Not a whole lot, but enough to make wince a once or twice.Except for Ghost Rider. I wanted Ghost Rider in Vanilla. It's a shame he is shit.
i like fighting in mid air. wish i could do infinites
>>344603997
those movies are bombing fine on their own. Only a matter of time now.
>>344598742
Hulk has easy dumb ToD combos
>>344604357
Yeah but then Deadpool went on to be the highest grossing R rated movie opening weekend in history.
>>344594786
>Fast ground movement AND Air Movement
>simple button layout but has a lot of room for unique normal and specials
>Dedicated launch button
The balance leaves a lot to be desired, but it was really fun to play.One other thing I appreciate is the hit-stun you get in the early hits in a combo. Anime Fighters have piss-poor hit-stun and makes it tough to convert from certain hit confirms
>>344603524
>>344603868
In their case, it's because they're X-Men and the whole fil rights fuckery that comes with them makes Marvel incredibly hard on using them outside the comics. Aside from Marvel Heroes, every other new Marvel mobile games simply excludes anything that has to do with X-Men and Fantastic Four because they don't own the movie rights anymore and Fox won't budge on them ever.
And besides, MvC3 still managed to balance "current" characters and obscure stuff (I mean, MODOK/She Hulk/Taskmaster? And then in Ultimate with Rocket/Iron Fist)Frankly, I'd take a Mahvel Super Heroes 2 because no X-Men and Doom on a MvC is just wrong and they could shuffle some moves to newcomers. Like maybe give Black Panther some Wolverine's slashes and stuff like that.
>>344604357
Eh, maybe F4 but X-Men is still viable to them. Fucking Deadpool grossed more than ALL current capeshit movies including Civil War.
>>344604124
>Movie Advertisement: The Roster
If only. Where the hell is Taskmaster in the movies? Will Dormammu ever appear?
>>344604646
>Where the hell is Taskmaster in the movies?
It's rumored that he'll be the villain in Deadpool 2, since he is one of Deadpool's most known villains.
>>344598742
Hulk with sentinel drones is invincible and Haggar lariat lets him have dumb incoming mixups
>>344597559
Specially if their idea of gaining interesa, is just to make a hack job rom port with filters of one of the classic games instead of JUST HAVING COMITMENT of actually making a new one.
>>344603430
Several reasons
>Marvel license issues means Capcom no longer can patch it
>terrible netcode so you damn well better have someone to play with in person
>xfactor as it is needs an overhaul because level 3 is simply too powerful
>outside of Evo, doesn't have much of a tournament scene
>SFV sucked away players from UMvC3 big time
>>344604124
Do you really expect them to NOT promote the more current stuff? The trick is to do that while also provde less known characters for exposure and Capcom did more than well enough in that regard (honestly, the only characters missing were Cyclops/Venom on the Marvel side)
>>344604124
Ghost Rider just needs the right assists, Dante guitar assist is his best friend.
>>344604357
I might be in a minority, but I would prefer it if the Xmen don't join the MCU. If Marvel got the rights back and started making movies and I do not want them in the Avengers. They work better in their own universe, that is why I am cautious of Fox losing the rights. The last couple Xmen movies were good imo, they are going in the right direction.
ryu has a nice kamehameha wave
I like UMvC3 but I really question some of Capcom's picks for the roster
>Trish
>Firebrand
>RE5 version of Jill
>Nemesis instead of the RE1 Tyrant
>C. Viper of all SF4 characters
>Spencer
Were they just throwing darts at photos on a bulletin board?
>>344604550
>tough to convert from certain hit confirms
Hit confirming is supposed to be tough, Marvel 3 is babby mode where you can graze someone with Doom's j.M, go outside, have a drink while you think about the combo you're about to do, come back and juggle him with his retarded crouching normals and launch the guy for a full combo into super.
>>344605587
>I would prefer it if the Xmen don't join the MCU
I would be fine with it as well
The x-men have always seemed to exist in a different world from the regular marvel shit so whatever
If no one else has seen it before, I think this is a really nice beginner's guide to understanding the Marvel scene.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WaE0qGdoiU0lJKxIDO0MKLeS0DiPeZ6WV3cjsv1nbtE/edit#heading=h.2gazcsgmxkub
>>344606028
>hit confirming is supposed to be tough
say who?
>>344605905
>>Trish
Story goes that no Trish meant no Dante.
>>Firebrand
They got Arthur in, so might as well. Plus hey, obscure ass representation to a fantastic series.
>>RE5 version of Jill
Most current one, and I guess they had Frank planned for vanilla so they didn't want 2 zombie movesetsI still miss both MvC2 Jill and TvC Frank
>>Nemesis instead of the RE1 Tyrant
More iconic, I guess?
>>C. Viper of all SF4 characters
That was before Juri turned out to be such a hit. And she was basically a Marvel character in SF4 so it was fitting.
>>Spencer
Nah, that was a great choice. Maybe not using dreads Spencer, but still. And shit, it gave us BIONIC AAARRRMMM so it's all good.
Phoenix Wright was fun to play even if he's a total gimmick character
>>344606371
Yeah but when you actually got that gimmick to go off he suddenly became god tier.
>>344606329
>Nah, that was a great choice. Maybe not using dreads Spencer, but still. And shit, it gave us BIONIC AAARRRMMM so it's all good.
Yeah but of all properties, do you really want to push a character from a game that wasn't even that good?
We could've had fucking Batsu or one of the Cyberbots mechs.
>>344605905
Nothing wrong with any of them.
>>344606329
>Story goes that no Trish meant no Dante.
I still would've preferred Lady getting in over Trish.
>>344596924
>you have a short landing animation
not really..what games have this
>>344606329
>>>Nemesis instead of the RE1 Tyrant
>More iconic, I guess?
Is it though? I mean when people talk about the RE games they love, it's 2 and 4 that gets mentioned. Resident Evil 3: Nemesis is practically ignored half the time when discussing the series. At least RE1 people still quote the lines.
>>344606028
If it was tougher to hit confirm in a game like this every match would go to time
>>344605905
Trish is great. I'd rather 3 Lady though, given both Dante and Vergil.
>>344606601
Do we really need another shoto-esque character? Sure he's very different in terms of overall kit, plus he was fun as hell in TvC, but he'd still be kind of redundant. Akuma already made Ryu irrelevant.
A Cyberbots character would've made a great Sentinel fodder, but I believe that not even Jin was considered for the roster in either vanilla or Ultimate so maybe it never crossed their minds.
>>344603612
that team gives me cancer every time i play online considering how it removes 80% of the intricacies from the game and simplifies everything to safely super armoring with drone spam then killing you with low execution combos.
>>344606702
Maybe in a Capcom All Stars? They have shit to use with her DMC4 moveset now.
>>344606307
Over 20 years of fighting game conventions, any poke leading into death/huge damage is awful game design, more power to you if you enjoy that.
>>344607019
And yet the world's top players couldn't shut it down.
Which says a lot about how badly this game has needed patching for years.
>>344603612
Yeah but everyone felt better when that guy challenged KBR to first to 12 and won 12-7.
>>344607139
yeah you don't know anything thanks for posting
If they make UMVC3 remastered of MVC4 who do you want them to add? I want more crazy DMC characters like Nero and Lady, other than that I don't really care about who they add to the Capcom side. I want some Spiderman characters like Black Cat and Dr Octopus. Black Panther and Daredevil are a must.
It annoys me that Marvel knows that this game has a huge devoted fanbase who would give an arm and a leg for simply a balance update.
If Marvel is serious about getting back into gaming; how about a gesture of good will? Put Marvel 3 back on sale, release an updated, current-gen version with new characters and balancing.
>>344607517
Megaman should have been in the whole time, there was no excuse for his exclusion,
>>344607641
Backwards compatibility on Xbone might ignite the fire again
How to fix UMVC3
>Remove TAC infinites
>Nerf Level 3 XF
>Nerf Morrigan's mirror super
>Make it so Dooms missiles disappear when he's hit like every other projectile
What am I missing?
>>344607517
Namor and Howard the Duck.
>>344607641
>Marvel: Ok capcom, we'll let you patch umvc3
>but you have to nerf all x-men and f4 charcters to shit
>and add a bunch of shit to promote our movies
>>344607641
Yeah, but fighting games aren't a good investment.
>>344607517
if it were up to me, I'd do Marvel Super Heroes 2. I mean shit, it would even still be based off Infinity War like the first game.
>>344607517
Add a male Darkstalker for once. Let people know that the franchise isn't supposed to be Senran Kagura or Vanguard Princess.
>>344607897
>>and add a bunch of shit to promote our movies
If that meant Falcon/BP/Daredevil I'd be all over it.
>>344607517
Megaman and Venom
>>344607897
Im ok with movie promotions since that means we'll get Black Panther, Ms Marvel and Thanos. Maybe Black Widow but she would basically play like Jill.
>>344606892
You're using the timer as an argument as if you're trying to avoid another vanilla SFxT, Marvel 2 has no X-factor and has stupid shit like Cable/Blackheart/Sentinel and you rarely saw games going to time, all you need is shorter combos and higher damage on them to compensate so the game would return to neutral more frequently.
>>344607270
Thank (you) for your insight, captain shitpost!
>>344607517
Doc Ock and Venom were supposed to be in 3, such a shame we never got them. Scarlet Witch would be cool I guess.
>>344607641
The people that were instrumental in even getting the project greenlit (biggest being Sven) left Capcom and the community guys on now just aren't as vocal for a new Marvel, or simply wanting to work with them.
>>344607858
Make so TAC's are punishable on break
>>344607915
>Yeah, but fighting games aren't a good investment.
Well, both yes and no.
They are not the biggest demographic by any stretch of the imagination, but they are some of the most loyal and passionate consumers around.
SFV might have had a rocky launch, but thanks to having one of the most fucking diehard fanbases around even that game managed to pull through.
So maybe a new Marvel 3 wouldn't make them a ton of money, but it would generate a ton of goodwill. Show that they are serious about video games.
>>344608208
you were the one shitposting my friend
your post added nothing to the discussion and was simply your classic /v/ cynicism
here have another one
>>344608429
>They are not the biggest demographic by any stretch of the imagination, but they are some of the most loyal and passionate consumers around.
>SFV might have had a rocky launch, but thanks to having one of the most fucking diehard fanbases around even that game managed to pull through.
This. You gotta fuck up on XTekken's level to make a community not form.
Hypothetically, if Marvel's sunday spot gets replaced for next year's Evolution tournament and it's like a 50/50 chance it will.
What game should replace it? sm4sh need not apply since melee is already there.
>>344608429
>So maybe a new Marvel 3 wouldn't make them a ton of money, but it would generate a ton of goodwill. Show that they are serious about video games.
Businessmen in 2016 don't care about things like that. They just want as much money as possible and they want it now.
>>344608208
>Marvel 2 has no X-factor...and you rarely saw games going to time
But in that game assists fly in and out twice as fast as Marvel 3 so you lose life to everything at every second and chip damage in that game adds up like no other game
>>344608429
Yeah, but why bother when Disney could just get EA to do a Marvel hero shooter and basically get an audience that's as loyal but thrice as big?
>>344608546
Capcom understands it, but Marvel doesn't, and that's the problem.
The reason Capcom never lost its fighting game fanbase is because as a whole, they've been very good to them.
>>344608529
I-I don't know. Maybe T7?
>>344608529
>Hypothetically, if Marvel's sunday spot gets replaced for next year's Evolution tournament and it's like a 50/50 chance it will.
Somehow I don't see it happening. It's tradition, Marvel was almost always the game before Street Fighter in finals, even when we were playing MvC2 and 3rd Strike.
>>344608529
Blazblue Central Fiction
>>344608529
Schedule is up. It's not replaced, it's just playing earlier in the day.
>>344608871
>2 anime games on Sunday
>Blazblue, at that
>>344608741
>a Namco game being on Sunday
>>344608429
Capcom fighters simply don't generate enough revenue. Netherrealm makes a shit load in comparison, Marvel would be smarter to go to them, but they are already in bed with DC. If only they were willing to make Marvel vs DC Injustice...
>>344608850
>even when we were playing MvC2 and 3rd Strike.
That was back in the days before it became all corporatized. A game with a playerbase as small as 3S had back then wouldn't even have a chance of getting into Evo now.
>>344608546
>Businessmen in 2016 don't care about things like that.
Actually, thanks to the internet, they totally do.
We literally live in an "influencer economy". Youtubers, forums and review sites have a huge impact on what people buy and don't buy.
A new Marvel 3 would generate a fucking ton of "GETTT HYPE GET HYYYYPE" from a very small vocal community. Which creates a ripple effect on the internet.
It's why Marvel is now being all "FUCKING US GAMERS AMIRITE GUYS???". Social media has taken the world by storm.
>>344608997
BB had the hypest finals last year though. Its the last high quality sprite based fighter around, so it needs to be supported if we want to continue to see sprite based fighting games.
>>344608529
I honestly see T7 getting its slot. Maybe Blazblue since it's been in EVO a couple times already.
Also, I hate to admit this, but that slot might go to Injustice 2 if it's released before next year's EVO. Given Ed Boon would push hard to have two games in and Mr. Wizard loves money, it all fits in too perfectly.
Of course, this is all hypothetical.
>>344609179
This was still more hype, and I don't even play KI.
The music is really fucking good, both versions you can pick.
TvC was still better at the end of the day though. And we all know we'll never fucking see a sequel to that.
>>344594786
>what about what went right?
It gave us Dante, Vergil, Trish, Wesker, Phoenix Wright, Jean Grey, Nemesis, Arthur, Amaterasu, Viewtiful Joe, and mother fucking Dormammu.
>>344609285
TvC was worse in both roster AND gameplay
>>344608954
Who else here is going to watch the streams on Saltybet for match betting?
Wish I could've gone this year though.
Tatsunoko vs Capcom was better
>>344609285
Their biggest mistake was putting it on the Wii.
>>344609024
If Marvel wanted money from fighters, they'd have 2 choices
>Capcom
Still synonymous with fighters, even among casuals. Guaranteed player base and exposure.
>Namco
Absolute massive arcade business, could be great for market penetration in asian markets (and we all know that Disney loves them Chinabucks).
I want to go wildcard and say that Marvel could also do business with ASW, but that's just my want for anime Marvel crazynessnot that Mahvel isn't anime already. And I think I remember some people saying that Team Ninja and Marvel were in talks for something, but it fell through or was just for a musou.
>>344609285
>TvC was still better at the end of the day though
Eh, Baroque and Variable Air Raid and the roster but that's it. I still love it though and would kill for an HD port.
>>344609490
It actually sold alright, but it was made in that period where Capcom had crazy expectations for everything.
>>344609285
>both versions you can pick.
I'm afraid I need a reminder on this.
>>344609490
That was intentional so they could make it on a low budget. It was "testing the waters" (God, how I hate that phrase) for a fully-fledged new versus game.
>>344609214
With a Kombat Pack 3 possibly being a thing, I could see Injustice 2 be a Saturday game and MKX still be Sunday.Shit's getting too big. We need 4 days for this soon.
>>344609409
>TvC, despite having a smaller roser, had a more diverse roster, digging deep into obscure shit, just so they could
>Baroque was better than X-Factor
>actual effort went into it's presentation
TvC had a character from a fucking quiz game, Rival Schools, Onimusha, and a SFIII character. Why couldn't MvC3 go that far with their roster? And if you bring up characters like Dante or Red Arremer, both were meant to be in the game.
Also, Across the Border is a better theme than what MvC3 had.
>>344609654
>That was intentional so they could make it on a low budget.
It was an arcade game for a year though.
>>344609431
Saltybets is still a thing?
>>344609541
At this point I would be happy if Marvel just went to Nintendo and made a Smash Clone. I don't care anymore just release something that isnt shit.
>>344609562
You had regular music and then DYNAMIC music. Or some shit like that. What it did was just replace the menu music with different renditions of everything.
>>344609787
He has a separate computer whose sole purpose is to run mugen, so there's no reason for it to go away.
>>344609787
Yeah, and during Evo salty comes back and takes over and makes custom betting where you bet on the actual evo matches as they happen.
And in-between games you bet on stuff like "next game starts before 2:35 vs still in intermission by 2:35"
>>344609860
Oh. Neat had no idea you could do that.
>>344609732
Because MvC3 was a much bigger project and needed more sales. They had to balance well known and obscure for both sides. TvC went more obscure since that was low budget by default and was done as a test game.
Baroque is better, but X-Factor gives you more options since it can be used as a guard cancel as well.
Presentation wise, I agree but UMvC3 was a definite improvement (though I miss the pre fight model loading)
>>344609971
I remember the fan video for Claw and the betting options he put on during that
>priest dies
>priest lives
>>344609971
Neat. Guess I'll give it a shot.
>>344594786
>We all know about what went wrong
it's a hyper-kinetic mess that caters to <12-year-old Marvel fans, not mature gamers, much less the core FGC
hence, Jizzstained Wang's synonymy with the shovelware
>>344609214
I was thinking Injustice 2 as well since WB is all for supporting fighting games due to Netherrealms and Boonie really killing it with the releases
>Mk9 sold well won Goty
>Injustice sold better won Goty
>Mkx sold AMAZING and won Goty
Not to mention the mobile stuff but i like Detective Comics so i'm all for it as long as they but this cutie in the game.
>>344610061
You think they would have gone further with the roster if not for the 2011 Disaster?
Also, TvC, at least in the original 2008 Wii release had endings animated by Tatsunoko and everyone had their themes, which must have ate into the budget.
>>344609738
On Wii-based arcade hardware, So again, it wasn't cutting edge spec-wise for the time.
>>344609787
Mugen in general is still a thing. It's kind of surprising, given the lack of official support it had for so long. I guess despite its flaws, it just fills that "easily customization fighting game engine" niche in a way that nothing else has.
>>344610302
>much less the core FGC
You mean EEEESPOOORRTSS? MvC3 is still thug as fuck.
>>344610362
Injustice 2 basically being an RPG Fighter might work against it in terms of tournaments, but MKXL getting more characters balances it out for WB/NRS.
>>344610413
Maybe, but Marvel wanting release parity with Avengers and Capcom wanting UMvC3 out before SFxT to avoid cannibalism didn't help either. Honestly, Marvel 3 even existing seems to be a damn miracle at this point.
>>344610568
Sucks that EF-28 or whatever the 3D equivalent never took off. A 3D Mugen would be a huge hit, I feel.
>>344610413
TvC is also superior because it's the only Marvel vs game in the series to have a Capcom final boss.
>>344610710
...huh. Never noticed.
It's kinda disappointing that Capcom Cup is a one game tournament.
Capcom should really make Darkstalkers 4.
>>344609841
>I would be happy if Marvel just went to Nintendo and made a Smash Clone
Kill yourself
>>344610927
Marvel was part of it one year and it was a popularity contest
>>344610927
For DS4 to sell, they'd have to be REALLY sure they didn't make any screwups like they did for some of their previous games. DS doesn't have the hugely dedicated fanbase that SF has that allowed SF5 to overcome its shaky start. In order to rebuild DS's playerbase and get people interested in the brand, they'd really have to offer up a quality product with no corners cut and no blunders attached.
Will Garireo vs Dogura ever be topped?
We know it's going to happen eventually. I hope it's essentially a TvC2.Also, post teams.
>>344611435
The whole BB top 8 that year was hype, not just GFs.
>>344610618
Boon cleared everyone on that and mentioned they do think of the tournament scene when they make their games and they're working on a solution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuAtCiB7dxQ
>around 5:53
It amazes me that people still don't know about this but it did come last in twitter polls on what Netherrealms should do next behind a Shaolin Monks sequel too.
When will Capcom partner with ASW again to make Sengoku Basara X2?
>>344611453
how would they even include saitama in a fighting game
>tfw never bought Jill or the Scarlet Spider alt costume
A-at least I got the Akuma, Frank West, and Zero alts along with Shuma Gorath...
>>344611665
I don't really care for NRS, so I didn't know they clarified. I'm real curious to see how they'll balance it then.
>>344611453
>no Gintama
Bitch no.
>>344611762
How would they even include Phoenix Wright in a fighting game?
>>344611762
Super secret hidden boss.
You aren't meant to win. Only survive.
>>344611692
The reception of that game was pretty bad, wasn't it?
Marvel is goig to be hype as fuck this Evo. Pasadena was nuts.
>>344612103
I want to KBR to get his shit kicked in.
I don't know who fucked over the devs more, Marvel or Capcom.
-Capcom
>rushed the game out with mvc3
>killed it fast with umvc3
>dev teams for other capcom games refused to let their characters be used
>none of the OCs from mvc2 showed back up
>lied about how certain characters couldn't be included because of engine limits but added them in anyway
>zero patches even when they had the license
-Marvel
>Saw it as more of a promo for their movies
>didn't want to allow inclusion of many fan favorites
>fucked over capcom with the license so they couldn't support it
>>344594786
>game has a bunch of (relatively) easy to perform infinites
>the players wonder why their game is dying
>>344612501
>none of the OCs from mvc2 showed back up
Did anyone really want them back?
>>344612284
I can't believe people still lose to him and that Fchamp let him get 7 games
>>344612607
I did.
>>344612607
I wanted monkeygirl and Ruby was planned but scrapped
>>344611942
It was made by the Fist of The North Star staff team.
And yes, it has infinite dribble/juggle, just like their FotNS fighting game.
>>344612607
I'll happily take Ruby Heart. Amingo and Son-Son are meh.
>>344612103
Scamby's year baby
>>344612284
I do too. he has been getting too cocky and his haggar incomings are getting too disgusting
Tekken x Street Fighter 2, except this time make it good.
>>344612980
Yeah, sure, release a sequel to a game that's not out. Great idea.
![nova_[richard_rider]_9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kxXsecK.jpg "nova_[richard_rider]_9[1].jpg")
Dick Rider making it in.
>>344613102
Fuck, I mean Street Fighter x Tekken.
>>344594786
The trailers, which where way better then what they had any right to be. Especially that long opening trailer for Ultimate
>>344611453
>Tfw recking shit with Dante, Saitama, and Yugi
>>344613152
Them not including it in the game was a bad idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSSILyBYtfs
>>344611665
It's pretty clear that Ed Boon and the NRS team gives a fair share of consideration toward the tournament scene with their games after MK9 onward.
When you put an achievement in your game based on your tournament scene's star player you know they're at least somewhat conscious about it.
>>344613110
And Iron Mask
>>344604608
>makes Marvel incredibly hard on using them outside the comics
But they are doing their hardest to kill mutants in the comics as well
>>344613625
Yet they still have how many books running?
>>344611665
All i want for Injustice 2 is Beast Boy and Static. I want it so bad.
>>344613680
I think It's 4 comics, who all deals with the same thing. Mutants getting killed and replaced by inhumans
>>344615057
You mean the Inhumans that just got a book cancelled?
>>344614000
Beast Boy is dead in Injustice
>>344615336
Since when do deaths in comic books have permanence? They could find a way to allow him to be playable in the storymode.
>>344606842
smash bros
>>344616253
Uncle Ben still hasnt come back to life
>>344616630
I mean for protagonists and villains, most of them, especially the popular ones have death seem more like a small obstacle.
>>344616253
Injustice universe follows the comic and if this one is in the same universe then chances of him appearing are slim
Anyone else here wanted a dumb, shallow, story mode (or at least a few tid-bits of lore and lines of exchange in arcade) for MvC3? There's a lot of material here for stupid, fanfic-tier greatness. Fuck, I get wet just thinking about how differently stories would have gone and what new stories could have been created with the merging of the Marvel and Capcom worlds.
>>344617609
Of course. Crossovers work best when there's character intereactions between everyone.
>>344617609
How much really would have changed? What was the last Marvel event before MvC3?
>>344617163
They're slim yeah, but i still hope it happens.
Due to Disney MvC4 is almost impossible, but interest of Nintendo vs Capcom has been expressed tons of times by the heads of both companies, especially Ono.
Would you be ok with Nintendo vs Capcom given the gameplay is the same?
>>344618780
Only if Sakurai and Fire Emblem stay as far as fuck away as possible outside of Marth.
>>344619039
Ike/Marth would be cool.
Literally nobody else though, especially not Roy.
Ganondorf would be dope as fuck as a mahvel character.
>>344618780
Nah, I feel that they don't really mix.But Rival Schools or even Cyberbots on Nintendo would definitely feel right.I'd rather have a proper Namco vs Capcom fighter first.
>>344606842
Street Fighter has it. They're called landing frames. It's extremely quick and subtle, but playing without it is very noticeable.
>>344619158
Roy is the least of my worries. No more than 2 though.
>>344607858
>Nerfing Morrigan before Zero, Vergil and lariat
nah
>>344618390
I'm not TOO familiar with Marvel, but if we're taking what we see in the game at face value, (which is a bit silly, I think) I am going to assume based on the maps that it's "Shadowland". That's a good 5 years worth of material before the multiverse ends.
>>344607858
You gotta be REALLY fucking good to make Morrigan go full 2hu and be effective. And quite frankly, lots of players have found a way to fight back against her.
Characters like Zero are the real problem.
>>344610710
Isn't Abyss from MvC2 technically a capcom character
>>344619471
>lariat
How much of a faggot are you? It's already been nerfed going into ultimate and if you think that is anywhere near a priority fix for UMVC3 I bet you don't even go to tournaments
>>344619617
Abyss is an OC made especially for the game like Ruby Heart, Son-Son, and Amingo. So far Yami is the only actual Capcom final boss, while Marvel has Apocalypse, Onslaught, and Galactus.
If there was a MvC4, who would be the final boss? There's no one higher than Galactus.
>>344619808
i'm just salty about kbr
>>344608954
dang, no Grand Master Challenge this year?
>>344619616
Zero/Vergil/Doom are the real cancer.
>>344620109
Doom especially, because ANYONE can play Doom well. He isn't just amazing, he's braindead.
>>344607858
TACs are just fucking garbage and need to be reworked. Fuck trying to guess a 5 way guess of up,down,side,throw or meaty normal
>>344619870
Galactus is one of the biggest jobbers in Marvel when it comes to cosmic entities. He's almost always presented as not being nourished by devouring a planet, which makes him quite low tier in the overall power level scale of marvel's cosmics. It's only when he's nourished that he's a real threat and even then there are things greater than him.
>>344620061
Those are all just the big name official streams, it might be on a side stream
>>344620316
Can't really call that jobbing. If he was at full power when the new bad guy beat him up then it would be jobbing.
>>344620346
Son-Son in MvC2 is that character's daughter. Did he have any kids in his game?
>>344620310
They already had a good system in TvC with Variable Air Raid. Just make that shit super scaleable in exchange for guaranteed air combo and tag in. It's still in the code, even in Ultimate, so it must;ve been removed really late.
>>344620550
The point of a jobber is just anyone who's relatively strong that loses a lot for the sake of making other characters look like hot shit. And Galactus is a fucking pro at that
>>344620676
But it only happens because the writers make him weak and hungry in order to do it. When he's at full power he then thoroughly trounces whatever originally beat him. It's cheating, pure and simple, like someone beating up Bruce Banner and declaring they beat Hulk.
>>344619870
Phoenix Force, bitches.
>>344621075
How would it manifest? An actual Phoenix? Part one is Possessed Jean Gray, part two is a giant Fire/Psychic bird?
>>344619039
Marth would be such a lame add, though. Why not add something different to represent FE like Lyn or Sigurd?
>>344619870
Thanos? Doom? Personally, I'd like more OC bosses like Abyss, or maybe an amalgam character. I feel one of those would fit better than an exclusively one company character as the final boss.
>>344621075
>Final boss is a team of 3 random characters with the Phoenix Force
Such a shame that Cykes didn't make the cut. Would've been interesting to see how vidya people would react to Rightclops. His dialogue would probably always be 100% hard.
>>344620868
He's not a total push over still, he's quite powerful even when hungry. And that's really all most people know him as, that he's this cosmic being who is always a threat because he fucking travels to universe devouring whole planets. It's still enough to elevate the opposition in the audiences eyes, which is really the main goal of jobbing.
>>344621413
I'd rather see more Capcom villains.
Astaroth
Sigma and one of his giant bodies
Dr. Wily Machine and Capsule
Tyrant
Mecha-Hitler
>>344621556
Wasn't MvC 3 before Rightclops was a thing?
>>344621643
Just bring back Cyber Akuma.
>>344619170
>rival schools vs. nintendo
Please no. I just want another standalone Rival Schools game. No crossover bullshit. Same with Darkstalkers.
I don't care what anyone says, I think the roster was absolutely wonderful
A bunch of forgotten Capcom classic characters made their fighting game debut here.
I just wish they continued supporting the game.
>>344621731
I never said crossover, just Rival Schools on Nintendo consoles.
>>344610710
>only Marvel vs game
>Tatsunoko vs Capcom
>>344621380
It feels wrong not having him as the rep more than anything, especially if he's the only one.
>>344622193
TVC was MVC for Japs
>>344621723
>bring back the most boring and retarded Donut Steel
Fuck that noise.
>>344594786
The graphics hold up still today, like they look great. The characters they added in ultimate were perfect. idk i still like this game.
>>344599078
Fucking Thor
>>344612707
>>344612767
>son-son
>MvC2 OC
>>344622520
The MVC2 SonSon is the original's daughter
>>344622520
As stated upthread, the Son-Son in MvC2 is the daughter of the one from that old game. So yes, she is an OC.
>>344622520
By technicality, she was.
>>344607517
>Ctrl+F
>No "Gene" anywhere in this thread
I'm very disappointed in all of you
>>344608021
>anakaris
>>344622595
>>344622607
>>344622682
I guess,
>>344622693
Also who were the canceled characters for MVC3? I only remember
Gene from God Hand
Doc Ock
IIRC these character were planned for the game but scrapped due to time constraints. There are more characters but it's a damn shame we didn't get Gene
>>344622802
>Anakaris
>male
Anakaris is amummy
>>344599078
Holy shit Thor is fucking nuts. Never seen that high level play with him.
