Which punk you prefer, /v/?
they're all shit
Cyberpunk, by quite a long way. Raypunk is okay.
>>344582128
I adore Cyberpunk, Diesel punk is pretty cool too. I can't think of a good example of raypunk and steampunk is just garbage
>>344582368
that image isn't cyberpunk
>>344582591
>steampunk is just garbage
Any of them are fine except cyberpunk, it's just a loser's way of saying generic sci-fi garbage.
>>344582629
Gunnm is pure cyberpunk, m8. Mixed with fightan action, though.
They're just settings. You can have a quality work in any of those, really.
Probably the only good thing to come out of the steampunk setting
>>344582629
this is
>raypunk
I don't think that's real.
Cyberpunk is the only of those 4 that actually invokes the "punk" name of the subgenre and also has some really fantastic and meaningful literature in it.
The rest are hyperstylized faffing for morons.
Also it's not fucking "raypunk" that's not a thing, it's called retro futurism.
There will always be a special place in my heart for Cyberpunk.
Biopunk
gothpunk
Name one steampunk game that actually utilizes the themes of the genre and isn't just fantasy with top hats and airships.
Pro tip:you can't, it doesn't exist.
Whats 40k?
Is there Ray Goth Metal?
That's what I like.
cyberpunk was the only one that has any actual punk aesthetics, before it was extrapolated to basically anything postmodern related (which has nothing to do with punk or the Marxist shit they're tied up with)
>>344583492
Name any piece of steampunk media that actually utilizes the themes of the genre and isn't just fantasy with top hats and airships.
Actually, name anybody who knows what the themes of steampunk are.
>>344583504
>Whats 40k?
Dark Fantasy: But In Space?
I like grimdarkfuturefantasypunk
>>344583492
Arcanum, duh.
>class struggle
>anti-Semitism, gnomes being Jews
>rapid industrialization makes older kingdoms like Dernhelm obsolete
Threadly reminder that you can't take anything and slap punk on it to make it an aesthetic.
>>344583791
That's a cool postpunk
punk basically means juvenile shit
>>344582128
I love cyberpunk, like dieselpunk, but I've never seen any raypunk stuff and 95% of steampunk is fucking garbage.
There's great potential in all of them, but Cyberpunk has the best track record. I'd say it's a lot to do with the near-future setting and highly relatable themes to do with technology and corporate distrust and so on. It's not too oversaturated, but compared to the other three it's really the winner.Steampunk really needs to get its shit together
Cyberpunk is the only one worth being called a subgenre.
The rest are just artstyles.
>>344582681
>garbage defends garbage
>>344582629
>Battle Angel
>the greatest manga of all timeright behind Aria
>not cyberpunk
You shut your whore mouth
>>344582128
Cyberpunk > Raypunk > Dieselpunk > Steampunk
Give me a cyberpunk game that isn't fucking dully lit, minimal neon light gritty bullshit
>>344583024
>>344583186
>>344584264
>weebs are upset because somebody isn't playing along with their "i-i-it's not a childish cartoon if it's japanese!" agenda
typical. go back to your containment board.
>>344582128
Modempunk.
>>344584386
so, you want a cyberpunk game that has none of the defining characteristics of cyberpunk?
biopunk
>>344582128
styber punk the best
>>344583492
Thief 2
>>344583227
I think it's like pre-war Fallout and TomorrowLand
>>344582681
>>344582591
Steampunk is not as shit as it is generally regarded, it's just that it's been overdone so fucking much it's just boring now.
That and hardcore autists seem to latch on almost automatically to it
>>344584386
Beneath a Steel Sky.
>>344582591
>steampunk is just garbage
Arcanum was good.
>>344584440
>Post cyberpunk
>Someone says it's not
>Correct them
>'weeb argument'
Stay classy.Thanks for the (You) though, it's nice to have an excuse to post more Gally.
Thematically and aesthetically I prefer steampunk, cyberpunk has better games overall but is full of edge now, so it's stale.
>>344583162
Not the only good thing, imo.
BioShock
Final Fantasy 6
Thief 1 & 2
Grandia
Fartpunk, i just made it up. It's set in a post apocalyptic world dominated by fratboys
>>344584440
>autist gets automatically triggered over chinese drawings.
Kek. Must be nice being you
Atompunk = Bestpunk
>>344582128
normally I think it's all gay but I guess I'll go with diesel since I just finished reading the dark tower and it's got that kinda vibe to it.
>>344583492
steampunk has themes?
>>344583641
I have some possibilities in mind. A lot of them can also be shared with the rest, like mechanized labor leading to new class structure, nature vs civilization, industrialization and its effects, and I guess time-period wise you could throw in colonialism as well.
>>344584615 Beat me to it.
The Thief games do steampunk rather well by keeping it more subtle, wrapping industrialism up into a religion and way of life, and the more industrialized locations are, it's more dangerous to you as the player since it leads to loud metal walkways and troublesome security measures. It's to serve as a metaphor for the cold harsh machine religion can be, like the Catholic Church at it's worst.But that's just a theory
>>344584807
>BioShock
Not really Steampunk, tho. It borrows some elements, but that's about it.
>>344584386
This has to be bait
>>344584807
Bioshock ain't steampunk tho
>>344582591
>steampunk is just garbage
Real steampunk, like Theif II, is actually good. But for some reason steampunk just because "Gears and steam on everything!"
>>344582128
Cyberpunk Dark Souls when?
I've had enough of both cyberpunk and steampunk. I would love to see more Dieselpunk and Raygun Gothic.
>>344584990
just became*
>>344584386
I can't even think of a game that HAS those things in it
Whalepunk
>>344582128
Next time just say you want a cyberpunk thread OP
SkaPunk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udUCjJphE-0
>>344582128
Cyberpunk is my favourite for obvious reasons. It's simply the most well realised setting. Dieselpunk I like in theory though I can't say I've seen it done much. Steampunk on the other hand is a setting that defines style over substance and I am far from a fan of it. It's all superficial and lacks, for example, the society half of cyberpunk's "high tech, low society"; steampunk is simply quirky technology and cogs in your hat. However, depending on how you define it, I'd say Dishonored's the best steampunk setting around despite the term doing the game and its universe a great disservice, but people will keep using that word. I always felt like it merely shared the Victorian inspirations but with a way more distinct dieselpunk feeling; brick buildings giving way for concrete industry, old values being thrown down the abattoir with the whale carcasses that power the city's new industrial age, a plague brought about by the new order. The classical and the aesthetic juxtaposed against industrial brutalism.
>>344584940
Yeah, it's about capitalism gone mad. Those air ships are all coal powered, and to get that coal you have to mine it. The punks in steampunk are all coal miners who are aggressively attacked if they unionize.
>>344582128
Steampunk is for hardcore fedora tippers so i choose raypunk
>>344585015
>Not just a Sci Fi Dark Souls where your entire interstellar base/starship crashlands onto an alien planet and you just run around killing aliens and maybe rogue robots from the crashed ship
>>344583991
>but I've never seen any raypunk stuff
the jetsons
Debate thisProtip it's simply not possible
1. Cyberpunk
2. Dieselpunk
3. Raypunk
...
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...
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674. Steampunk
>>344585214
I should also add that I have no opinion on raypunk, though I do like art deco in all its tacky glory.
>>344585214
>Steampunk on the other hand is a setting that defines style over substance and I am far from a fan of it. It's all superficial and lacks, for example, the society half of cyberpunk's "high tech, low society"; steampunk is simply quirky technology and cogs in your hat.
Cyberpunk on the other hand is a setting that defines style over substance and I am far from a fan of it. It's all superficial and lacks, for example, the society half of steampunk showing the growth of the divide between the upper and lower classes, rapid industrialization destroying the older ways of life; cyberpunk is simply neon lights and hackers.
>>344585219
>No Steampunk game where the final boss is Margaret Thatcher
Wasted opportunity.
>>344582128
Raypunk - RTS
Steampunk - RPG
Dieselpunk - Driving Game
Cyberpubk - Adventure Game
>>344584615
>>344584945
It has some elements that could be considered steampunk, like the Mechanists and medieval society in industrial revolution, but that doesn't make it a steampunk game any more than the Pagans or Hammers or Keepers make it whatever-punk.
It's the closest label to fit maybe, but I've always found it's more its own thing.
>>344585428
Raypunk is pretty damn bad nigga, should at least be number 274.
>>344584960
>>344584989
I took it to be that, maybe just as a theme then?
Even if we eliminate it from the list there's still a coupe of good ones in there. I wish there were more Steampunk games that did more than just skin everything with gears and Victorian fashion. It's fantasy that touches on sci-fi, and there is something that appeals to me.
Seapunk
>>344582591
Would Flash Gordon be Raypunk?
Steam punk is the most difficult to pull off and also the most raped by idiots who put some gears on a top hat and call it steampunk.
True streampunk is shit like The Difference Engine, and that's, pretty fuckin neato.
Also cyberpunk is usually good.
Dieselpunk usually devolve rapidly into over the top guns and moustaches western, have still to see a nice and consistent specimen.
Raypunk is gay garbage for faggots
>>344585468
So it's literally just late 19th century with cooler tech?
>>344585659
Yeah, that's fair.
I'd still point to them as an example of how to do steampunk related shit in a good way.
>>344585828
Pretty sure Flash Gordon defined raypunk.
>>344585860
Cyberpunk is literally modern day with cooler tech.
It wasn't back when Neuromancer was written but it is now.
>>344585828
Yes, and Star Trek too.
>>344585659
It only seems that way because it doesn't slap random cogs and tubes on everything. But I'd only say Thief 2 is steampunk, not 1.
>>344585428
Steampunk is only bad because of its fans. The actual steampunk games are generally pretty good.
Is Memepunk a thing?
It should be.
>>344585970
Cyberpunk proposes an entirely new world order and moral dilemmas we have never seen before. It's simply far more fleshed out than steampunk is which just seems to regurgitate Dickensian stories, only replacing what 19th century people genuinely thought was new, awe-inspiring tech with things WE would consider the very same.
>>344582128
>"raypunk"
wtf kind of retarded forced meme shit is that supposed to be
that's just standard sci fi nothing "punk" about it
>>344583256
It's called whatever people choose to call it. That's how language works.
>>344585219
that's it?
>>344582128
Cyberpunk and dieselpunk. Depends on my mood.
>>344582128
>Steampunk
>no dirigibles
But you include corsets?! It's like you don't even know steampunk.
Let me ask you this. If you were presented with a scene and the glaring element was either a corset (easily confused with a Victorian/Enlightenment theme) or dirigibles, how many people would accurately identify the genre?
Thought so.
>>344582128
Cyberpunk>Dieselpunk=Steampunk>Raypunk
>>344586459
There's a handful more, it depends on the media involved.
Usually steampunk deals with themes like antiquity, age, mythological embedding, tradition, and so on.
>>344586225
The biggest point of cyberpunk is the changes in ways we transfer, consume and value information. Those changes - well, they've happened. It's just less flashy and arguably less cool. We don't need decks to enter the bright neon matrix, we use phones to connect to various sites, to chat, buy, there are cyber crimes, governments all over the world are constantly pushing for more control, terrorists use social networks to organize and recruit. We use it to shitpost. It's pretty crazy stuff all around. High tech, low life - indeed it is. Then again, "high tech, low life" is just a realistic reversion of the older and more positive sci-fi story trends, where technology would make life better for everyone.
Cyber > Diesel >> Ray >>>>>>> Steam
Steampunk actually has some really interesting potential thematically. Unfortunately most of the people who like it are the "DUDE COGS LMAO" types.
>>344582128
>Raypunk
FUCK I remember this game where the whole thing was like an old 70s pulp sci-fi.
I forgot what it was called though.
What are some good dieselpunk games?
>>344583284
>tfw %90 of those things are now in your phone
>>344586775
Mad Max
Dark Void had a great "Raypunk" retro futurism aesthetic, great art, setting, music and ideas, verticality in a third person shooter, jetpack battles, great ideas
Too bad the gameplay that holds it all together is just so mediocre, and the art is muddled in brown and bloom UE3
>>344586843
Here's a question. Is Fallout 4Raypunk?
would it be possible to make a daytime cyberpunk game without breaking the aesthetic?
I always wondered how the cyberpunk worlds looked like in daytime.
Post-cyberpunk is where its at,
>>344582128
Whalepunk
>>344586521
it says airships dipshit
>>344587015
Mirrors Edge, I guess.
>>344585961
don't be playin me familia
>>344586997
It's shitpunk
>>344587015
Think darkness, smog, heavy pollution.
>>344585865
>>344585987
Yeah, it just has so much other themes and motifs going on it doesn't really feel steampunk, but if you want it's also the best representation of it. And it's definitely something-punk so why not.
>>344586775
When reading the description of dieselpunk I thought of The Pitt DLC for Fallout 3. Regardless of the rest of Fallout 3, I thought the theme and writing of The Pitt was done pretty well.
>>344586284
Nobody calls it raypunk though.
>>344587054
Oh-ho-ho You just played my trump card. That's like calling all cars volkswagens.
>tfw wanted to like Technomancer because cyberpunk
>couldn't overcome the fact it was a shitty, broken game
>>344582128
Cyberpunk has the slickest aesthetic, and would probably make the best setting for a game out of the lot. Dieselpunk would be a good second.if you had to live in one of the four, raypunk is better than the rest by a fucking mile
>>344586268
it's pretty much modern media made to deliberately ape the style of rocketeering sci-fi from the 40s and 50s
no one actually calls it that though
>>344584386
that Ghost in the Shell game for PS1
>>344587087
i fapped to that show so many times as a kid
>>344583256
>Cyberpunk
>Meaningful literature
>Try to read neuromancer
>Plot advancement and actual progression of anything is 3 lines sandwiched between paragraphs of descriptions of roombas and high tech chairs and shit
Cyberpunk literature is techno-masturbation.
>>344586578
I'd argue that cyberpunk is more than that. Sure, it's based on the advent of the information age but tackles issues that we've yet to face. The moral implications of AIs, human cloning, corporations taking control of society, human enhancement etc. What I'm asking is if steampunk offers anything genuinely new that can't already be dealt with in fiction about the actual victorian age and the industrialisation; the stories about people and society.
>>344582128
Cyberpunk is always good
Diselpunk is never done
Western Steampunk has forgetten what makes the genre good in the first place (they forgot the spirit of optomism, and dwindled only being into Tesla and handle bar mustaces)
Raypunk isn't the term its called Retrofuturism
>>344587435
>if you had to live in one of the four, raypunk is better than the rest by a fucking mile
My niggah
>>344587297
I saw this coming, yet I still replied
fucking airship autists, there can't be that many on /v/
>>344587569pleb
>>344582128
>Raypunk
Isn't that Atompunk?
modempunk, you casuals
>>344586843
>Pre - WW2
>Team up with Nikola Tesla in an alien world hidden inside the Bermuda triangle and retrofit alien technology such as jetpacks against them and their army of robots, to stop them supplying the Nazis the technology to win WW2
It's like somebody ripped off the Rocketeer and made it a videogame
![tos_2x13_thetroublewithtribbles0309-trekpulse[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3CRFrnR.jpg "tos_2x13_thetroublewithtribbles0309-trekpulse[1].jpg")
>>344585743
raypunk is comfy as fuck though, them colors
>All these non-existant terms adding the word -punk at the end
Absolutely disgusting.
Raypunk=Dieselpunk>Cyberpunk>Redditpunk
Cyberpunk varies in quality wildly. You can have some good stuff, or you can have some absolute dogshit as cyberpunk tends to attract edgelords like banksy.
Dieselpunk is often plauged by people who just throw random car parts on something, but if that's the worst you can say about it...
Raypunk is so out of style, it's a breath of fresh air. I'd love to see it make more of a comback in media i'd be willing to consume.
Steampunk is so buried under fat girl used maxipads it'll need another 70 years before it'll be tolerable again. 100% M'lady.
>>344587782
that's just sci fi
>Dieselpunk
>post-apocalypse
I thought it was just a used, decaying world, not a dead, destroyed world?
>>344582128
>putting "punk" after everything
Literally why
Cyberpunk is the only one with any punk elements.
>no Desertpunk
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>>344587206
Medieval/Gothic/Fantasy/Steam/Citypunk?
Whatever it is it's good, if competently blended together you can do plenty of shit at once instead of pigeonholing yourself into one theme or artstyle or motif
>>344587724
Fuck you, go read this book and realize how fucking pleb your shit tastes are. I forgot, you don't like reading, you just like to throw technological words and adjectives into a blender and ejaculate to the product. Shove a chrome silicate handbreak up your ass you fucking cyberboo.
>>344587923
You are correct.
post-apocalyptic is its own genre without the punk attachment.
Diesel can be post-apocalyptic, but requires plenty of backstory explaining it.
OP's image is shit.
>>344583227
It's actually "raygun gothic". Shit like Flash Gordon
>No /v/-shitpostpunk
Loss.jpg
>tfw no shantypunk game where you play as a captain of a merchant vessel exploring the seas and searching for adventure
>tfw no shantypunk barmaid gf to bring you another pint as you and your crew sing your songs into the late hours of the night
why even live
![latest[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1zmqzu2.jpg "latest[2].jpg")
Diesel?
>>344582128
>Steampunk
>Brass, coal
Ok, fine
>Airships
That's dieselpunk
>Corsets, gentry, goggles, parasols
What the fuck do those things have to do with Steampunk? I thought that steampunk was about, well, I don't know... FUCKING STEAM MACHINES? Steam machines which, by the way, the author of this retarded image seems to have forgotten.
I mean, if steampunk is defined by airships, corsets, gentry, goggles and parasols, then The Diamond Age is officially a steampunk novel. Spoiler:it isn't
>>344587716
>fucking airship autists
It's a fucking dirigible REEEEEEEEEE
THE BEST PUNK IS MOBAPUNK GRANDSTRATEGYPUNK IS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO SPREADSHEETS
FPSPUNK IS FOR THE CASUALS
BUT CINEMATICPUNK IS BEST
FIGHTINGPUNK IS TOO HARDCORE BUT AT LEAST RACINGPUNK IS GAINING GROUND CANT FORGET ABOUT MMOPUNKS AND MINECRAFTPUNK GAMES
>>344588153
There is, it's calledLovecraftian
>>344585970
cyberpunk is more of a satite or hypebole of contemporary technocracy and bureaucracy than just a straight modern setting.
Stuff like social divide, cultural degeneration and moral ambiguity are common themes too.
>Xpunk
LET THE MEME DIE
>>344588162
>Airships are diesel
They are technically both with larger ones leaning to diesel, more personally sized ones leaning steam.
As for the last bit, Steampunk because "normalized" and associated with those things.
Cosplayfags mostly.
I'd pretty much go with Ray- and Cyberpunk. There has been some excellent work in cyberpunk, but not lately in the former (I've gotta think back to Timesplitters and its Planet X and Ufopia levels for that.)
Steam punk can be decent, though there are issues with it that I find that were already mentioned in the thread.
Oh, and aside from Mad Max and New Vegas, fuck post apocalyptic settings.
is the defining nature of a '...punk' genre a dystopian form of whatever theme it is?
>>344588237
>Minecraftpunk
It's survivalpunk you autist.
![Final-Fantasy-VII-Set-4-final-fantasy-78725_1024_768[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/q7DkSlb.jpg "Final-Fantasy-VII-Set-4-final-fantasy-78725_1024_768[1].jpg")
Is FF7 diesel punk?
>>344588412
No just stupid shits adding the word punk to anything and think it makes it an actual world.
Bunch of stupid shits in this thread.
>>344582128
>Raypunk.
>Not Raygun Gothica.
It's like you faggots never wanted Vampire Hunter D.
>>344588412
Yes
>>344588478
It's not far from it, maybe could be a caricature of dieselpunk. The term is applied liberally.
>>344582128
>punk
>shit words made up by autists
in the real world, we call all of those things science fiction.
>>344588583
I'm sure you work 9 to 5 and eat ham and eggs for breakfast.
>>344582128
im pretty sure steampunk and dieselpunk are one in the same.
>>344587569
>paragraphs of descriptions of roombas and high tech chairs and shit
It's great, isn't it?
>>344587594
Ehhh, cloning and AIs are, well, cloning and AIs. Can't remember a good piece about clones on top of my head, but I, Robot (obviously) and some Lem's stuff deals with AIs and it's not cyberpunk by any stretch of imagination.
>if steampunk offers anything genuinely new
It probably doesn't, I mean the seminal novel is The Difference Engine and IIRC it's basically "what if Babbige's toy actually worked well for us and we entered information age even earlier". But again, the problems cyberpunk discusses nowadays can be covered by general distopian fiction and sci-fi, IMO. In the end, both are nice aesthetics - though cyberpunk was predictive once.
>>344588156
Whale fat was basically diesel, so yes.
>>344588365
>social divide, cultural degeneration and moral ambiguity
Sooo... a straight modern setting?
Sure, we haven't went full Neuromancer, but the modern day is pretty much what was shown in the early cyberpunk novels. Yes, cyberpunk is a hyperbole, but it made the right predictions.
what would you call the equivalent of a modernpunk, or something present day but... punk?
>>344587847
old star trek is pretty raypunk
>>344587015
I'd imagine they'd probably go with a surreal and artificial facade for the environment, in order to distract people by creating an illusion of utopia
>>344588412
Cyberpunk was the first, and it made sense because it combined Cyber (I.E. high-tech, futuristic, etc) with Punk (that fashion movement from the 80s-90s.)
Then Steampunk got invented, and they used the name because they thought it sounded cool, and was a reference to the extremely popular Cyberpunk genera. It also did the same thing by imagining a world of high technology, but in the past instead of the future.
Then, people who didn't want to associate themselves with steampunk and wanted to be special snowflakes invented everything else, again sticking the punk on just because.
>>344582128
>steampunk
>does not mention steam once
What would fallout be closest to? Dieselpunk?
>>344582128
adding punk to a noun doesnt make a new genre.
what other cyberpunk games have sexbots in them?
>>344588989
Retro futurism
cyberpunk assuming you mean from games that actually exist
I have a fetish for diving suits and shit but never really felt a steampunk urge.
>>344588819
That's a bit like saying Verne's novels were pretty steampunk - it doesn't make sense. Neither Verne nor Roddenberry were aiming for a special aesthetic - they just made stories about what seemed futuristic at the time.
>>344589206
Well, if you retrofit Verne etc. to be steampunk, then it was pretty predictive as well, at least about the tech parts, not social issues.
>>344588989
gaypunk
I, being a gentleman of distinguished taste, seem to particularly enjoy a setting in which young people who are unsatisfied with society perform simple rock music and drink high-proof alcohol. I believe it's called punkpunk.
>>344586997
of course not.
>>344589031
All the ones that make sense, and most of the ones that don't.
>>344589703
Do they travel via phoneboxes?
Are they excellent to one another?
>>344582128
Biopunk
>>344583284
>tfw the newsstands keep fucking hiding 2600
IT'S NEVER EVEN OUT ON TIME ANYWAY
STOP HIDING IT BEHIND FUCKING BULKHEAD SLABMEAT MUSCLE MAG OR WHATEVER THE FUCK
>>344584730
One of the only good examples. The industrial revolution, the conflict between tech and magic...such a great atmosphere.
And the steampunk wasn't over the top. There was one airship in the game, a couple of gliders and they all crash and burn. Steam locomotives are a thing but they're chewing up the countryside. The most steampunkish things were some tesla coils and that top hat that created a magnetic fieldwhich was patrician as fuck.
Cyberpunk
>>344583075
Get your well formed opinion out of here.
>>344586997
Post apocalyptic Cyberpunk
What punk would a setting where there are only robots and beings made of mechanical parts?
Mechpunk?
Wizardpunk
>>344582128
I dislike the use of those terms, but dieselpunk is best of the four.
Cyberpunk is the only real genre.
>>344582128
raypunk is an interestingly special snowflake way of saying scifi
>>344590081
Yes, I believe so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFCuE5rHbPA
Diesel punk+cowboy weapons.
Fucking cowboy MMO/RPG when?
>>344590441
I kind of wanted to write a story about that. It would be about a Japan that closed its ports once more. With the rise of waifu bots, their birth rate would eventually hit 0%. A century later, only the machines are left to inherit the country, forming a sterile utopia that still maintained Japan's extensive xenophobia.
What do you call a genre in which punks are used for everything?
Punkpunk?
>>344589031
>Dorothy
someone watched Big O
Good games that are diesel punk? Want to play some dark tower shit
>>344582128
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>>344583256
Are you fucking retarded all of them are Punk because all of them are stoires depicting individuals and social groups trying to adapt their culture/assets/iinfuence, to survive and prosper in a future-shocked society.
Which by consequence means that any speculative narrative based on contemporary disruptive technologies will inevitably become retro-futuristic.
Cyberpunk came into existence in an era rith with disruptive technologies- THE 1980's
Cyberpunk IS retro, Deus ex was celebrating it's sweet sixteen last month.
Neuromancer is already 30yrs old.
Realising what cyberpunk was actually about William Gibson and Bruce Stirling wrote "The difference engine", the algorithm was left unchanged only that time the data it was fed was no longer 1980's western society.
Good by mega corps hello robber barons!!
>>344593831
Are you fucking retarded >>344583256
dunkpunk - society is based around basketball
>a mix of dieselpunk and steampunk
Would it be good /v/?
>inb4 steampunk is fedora tier
>>344588063
>guy shit talks Neuromancer
>then recommends terminal world
Holy shit you can't be serious
>>344593831
There's very little steampunk that's actually "punk". Most of it is better described as gaslight fantasy.
Genre was permanently ruined when it went from "a couple books, tv shows, and tabletop rpgs" to "goths gluing gears to top hats."
And Raypunk is just people renaming pulp to try and fit in with cyberpunk.
>>344594180
A mix of engines that use steam and diesel/oil?
>>344594180
Isn't that just Mad Max?
>>344582128
Cyberpunk has both the greatest works and greatest potential, so closely is it linked to modern society.
The rest are kinda novelties. Aesthetics only.
Dieselpunk and Cyberpunk are extremely close, but are definitely better than the other two, but I've never even heard of raypunk outside of maybe like once or twice.
>>344582128
all mediocre
who else here /victorian/
>>344594686
kinda
>>344594180
Already exists>>344588156
It has oil, trams and guns--diesel
It has swords and no cars yet--steam
nobody in this thread understands cyberpunk, particularly OP
>>344595304
didn't know you shitpost on 4chan, William
pls write more articles for Wired or something, I like your style.
>>344595304
Cyberpunk doesn't have to be punk. The likes of Blade Runner are hardly punk at all. It's just contemporary sci-fi that tends to focus on darker elements.
>>344582128
biopunk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEE4yZgphFk
>>344595862
Does "punk" really need to be a suffix for every aesthetic?
>>344594445
/v/ has made your inner complacent contrarian lethargic faggot blossom into a modempunk, watch as you enjoy the tech race drag you into the future by the ankles of your codeine/adderall pumped body, watch as you shitpost about VR while editing metapost ironic memes referencing a past generation nostalgia for a show that existed before them.
The Modempunk is numbed by the future, the modempunk looks at the world and sees a cyberpunk novel.
NO>>344594686
FUCK NO>>344594924
It's post-apocalytic, economic colapse to be more precise.
>>344590441
what film is that?
>>344582128
The one with android prostitutes and smoggy neon-lit urban hellholes set in the distant future of 1997.
I like settings where it's pretty much all sky.
Floating islands, airships, usually some bullshit magic resource.
Stuff like Last Exile, Skies of Arcadia, Stories: The Path of Destinies. Shit like that.
>>344585526
So is Mad Max considered dieselpunk?
>>344597972
>last exile went to shit in the second season
Why must all good in this world die?
>>344584264
you can't relate a whole realist subculture to a stupid anime drawing alright my dear fat piece of shit anon?
Please consider that there are some serious people here either who doesn't give a shit about your childish imaginations and forced fantasies.
>>344584386
VTM:Bloodlines
>>344582128
>Raypunk
Didn't even know this was a thing...
>>344588989
Ray gun gothic, or atompunk.
Fallout is a cynical deconstruction of the deluded scifi of the more conservative 1940-60's that believed that society would remain in cultural stasis forever or evolve into some silly idealised utopia.
In the Fallout of universe american society culturally froze and remained unchanged right up untill the bombs droped in 2070
>>344598627
fallout 1 and 2
energy weapons, radiated giant animals, mutants, ayys cold war red scare culture etc etc
>>344598337
I still haven't watched it, just a few of the episodes at the beginning.
It seemed kind of the same, but with more girls and piracy.
A bit worried about going back to it.
>>344598783
>In the Fallout of universe american society culturally froze and remained unchanged
That's not exactly true, really. Fallout society had pretty different social norms, it was less racist and sexist really, but also much more of a fucking shithole. The visual style is lifted from the 50s sci-fi, at least partially, but the society was pretty different.
>>344582128
Name one thing that's diesel-punk because that sounds a million times better than the rest.
i like the "go fuck yourself" punk most of all
>>344582128
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
>>344599692
i forgot they stoped hating and started loving the negroes
>>344582128
raypunk has never had a good video game and i would fucking kill for one.
It doesn't make sense to call something "-punk" if it doesn't have any "punk" themes in it (rebellion, anti-authority, anti-corporation, etc.).
Also, I'm pretty sure "Dieselpunk," "Raypunk," and "Biopunk" settings/themes don't apply to enough works to count as actual genres.
>>344587087
Barbarela did it first but Flash did it best.
Cowpunk
>>344582128
everything but the shitty fucking fedoratipping meme tier steampunk
>>344600561
Fallout classic, and fuck you if if your a graphics whore.
>>344600583
Yeah, people have been agreeing with you since the 1990s.
Nobody has contested the term, despite Cyberpunk owing its entirety to detective fiction and noir and hardly an ounce to punk, since it's regarded as the best promotional campaign for science fiction works.
>>344585780
Bioshock is Decopunk.
>>344600971
>decopunk
>dieselpunk
>steampunk
>all slight variations on the same theme of hyper-advanced old-timey culture which the fans insist is completely fucking different
Christ it's like I'm browing heavy metal genres.
>>344587435
>no one actually calls it that though
that was my point
>>344582591
Guns of Icarus is alright
>>344601087
yeah raypunk is just 60s sci fi theme
>>344582224
/thread
>>344601575
Raypunk is different.
I mean it's debatable whether or not it's a genre at all, but still it's those three in particular that I am picking on.
>>344601436
I just want guns of icarus except with 40 player ships. This "our sky pirates fly tiny gunboats with no crew quarters or munitions storage" shit is infuriating.
>>344601701
nigga it's hard enough to manage 3 people flying a tiny ship, managing 40 people flying a gigantic fucking cruiser and you'd be more often than not at the mercy of a shit captain or an underageb& crew
>>344601575
And Cyberpunk is just 80's sci fi themed
>>344601693
how is it different
>>344586085
This. Mostly I just like the airship feel.
>>344582128
diesel punk is boring
steampunk is always garbage and hipstershit
raypunk is interesting but so fucking cheesy
cyberpunk is just perfect
>>344601846
>5 people standing right behind the captain whining that he's a shit pilot and should let them drive
>3 communications officers who spend the whole time rping
>10 marines hip firing enemy ships 3km away
>guy on the biggest battery is afk
I'd still play it.
>>344601989
Because it's the idea of deliberately aping 60-80s sci-fi, and not hyper-advanced victorian or turn-of-the-century culture like the other three examples.
The only real point of contention here is why they keep stapling "punk" onto fucking everything.
Steampunk, Dieselpunk, Decopunk, Biopunk, Raypunk, Solarpunk, Nanopunk, Cypherpunk, Cyberpunk, and those are just the ones with wikipedia articles. It's fucking ridiculous.
