Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that this is the best Souls game?
Absolutely not.
Nah the DS sequel devs were amateurs who had no business making these games
>>344464436
DaS2 felt more original, unique, and well made. Which is really pretty sad.
>>344464890
>and well made
No.
>>344464551
FPBP
Dark Souls 2 and Dark Souls 3 shouldn't exist.
Dark Souls 3 is the weakest souls game
Dark Souls 2 is just awful, yet it still better than 3 due to the fact it's not a lifeless imitation of the first game.
Fuck these From shills.
>>344465165
2 is worse. It's just trash.
>>344465253
Dark Souls 2 tried to be different and flopped
Dark Souls 3 didn't try enough to be different and flopped.
Dark Souls 3 is god awful. Dark Souls 2 being bad doesn't make 3 good.
>>344464436
DaS1 > DeS >BB > Da3 > SoTFF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog shit > DaS2
Reminding that DaS3 isn't finished and when it get's it's DLC like DaS2 people are gonna dickride it saying it was great just like 2 was horrible before SoTFF
DaS3 has the best PvP3 tho and was way better then i expected
>>344465353
3 isn't THAT bad, it's bland. It's not as actively unpleasant to play.
>>344465429
>DaS3 has the best PvP3 tho
This bait.
>>344464436
No, while it has its merits it is by no means the best in the series.
>>344465558
Being bland, lifeless and boring is unpleasant to play. Who cares if it is mechanically good when the overall game is a snore?
>>344465429
surprisingly I also think DaS3 has the best PVP, I am usually more of a PVE guy but DaS2 really got me into it and now all the shenanigans in DaS3 has just made me fall in love with its PVP
>>344465639
Because you're comparing it to a game that's mechanically worse while also being a snore.
>>344464436
DS1>>>DS2=>DS3
>>344464436
Why the fuck are people saying DaS2 was bad? It wasn't. You fucks just have awful taste and love to suck each other's meme cocks. It wasn't that great of a game, but it definitely had it's problems. Now that its settled, shut the fuck up.
>>344465704
>while also being a snore.
but that's wrong
>>344465429
But the covenants were a joke and 2 had a greater build variety. The base game of Ds2 also had an area.
>>344464551
These 3 games are the only games that should exist. Time spent on 2 and 3 should have been spent making new IPs.
Miyazaki should not be allowed to make sequels.
Demons' (RIP) and Souls 1 are still better I think. Way better than 2 though.
>>344465560
Please don't tell me that you think BBs infinite jumping around PvP is good.
It's fucking impossible to land a hit on people that know what they are doing
>>344465857
>the act of praising DaS3 is somehow inherently shitting on DaS2
>>344465353
Dark Souls 3 being bad doesn't make Dark Souls 2 better.
>>344465921
Meant to say arena.
>>344466006
I didn't mean to click on OP's post, but as you can see, a lot of people hate it.
>>344465872
You're wrong :)
>>344466030
They're both shit, 3 is just worst
>>344465975
BB PvP is a joke, BB haven't worst pvp doesn't make DaS3 pvp good lol, what are you smoking?
>>344465975
its funny because 3 is exactly the same shit
>>344464890
Good lord, 3 must be awful :\
>>344466180
DaS2 is worse.
>>344466282
>>344466149
If you say so hi/v/emind bro.
Just know I'm not defending it or saying it's good :)
>>344466282
Atleast DS2 had some replayability and fun PvP unlike DS3
>>344465921
>Ds2 also had an area.
Please don't remind me of that shit
I still remember the shitstorm /v/ had when we found out there was no uncracked Red eye orb
That shit was fucking stupid
>2 had a greater build variety
Again that was only at the end after all the DLC.
Or maybe you got SoTFF where everyone wasn't running around with Painting Guardian's Curved Sword and the biggest Ultra great sword they could find and parried everything
>>344466462
DS2 doesn't even have regular playability.
>>344465961
DeS and BB feel more complete than DaS. I'm not bashing the game, only wish it had gotten more time in development.
>>344466426
Okay have a nice day :)
Das > BB > DeS
The other two games aren't really souls games, just shoddy chinese bootlegs and will not be rated.
>>344466670
The only correct opinion
>>344466638
Broken Archstone is the equivalent of Izalith/Demon Ruins/Old Londo being rushed
>>344465975
Not him, but DeS is the best PvP IMO (great weapon tiers, no poise, beat PvP movesets with appropriate counters). Outside of grassing it was the most balanced and most people interested in PvP didn't grass at all.
As for BB, the game is built around tech-catching after a single hit confirm. It's the most simplistic in the series but it's actually the most honest game in the series without Poise, BS spam, and infinites.
DkS2 was about abusing infinites and had unbelievably bad netcode/online collision compared to DeS/BB.
>>344466248
Yea now that you say it.
But at least you could counter that buy actually using a big weapon in 3 like a lance or a halberd or great axe
I still hold firm on that BB was much worse since the range is fucking huge on that jump
I'm a PCfag but Bloodborne is the best souls game, followed by DSIII, DaS, DeS and finally DSII
>>344464890
Huh? I don't agree. For me it's all about the bosses. I really like the more fast paced, dodge-oriented combat in 3. It feels like adding Bloodborne combat to Dark Souls. Fights feel more anime-like and bosses look super cool when they do their sexy stylish combos. What's the idea here? I think it's better than 2 in so many ways and I couldn't ask for more. I don't really care for build variety. I'm not in college anymore so I can't play these games for hundreds of hours and make dozens of different builds like you guys.
Dancer, Twin Princes, and Nameless are the only good designed bosses in the game.
>>344466180
Okay faggot what Souls game had the best PvP then?
Mind you that if you say Demon souls im gonna laugh and picking DaS1 makes you objectively wrong
>>344464436
It's the only Souls game that I enjoyed.
The faster combat made it playable for me, the first two was too slow and clunky for my tastes.
>>344467138
>what souls game had the best PvP
>except you can't name the only games that actually fit "best PvP"
(You)
>>344465639
>>344465704
>>344466426
Ok, I'm listening? Could you maybe explain why you think it's lifeless and boring? I found the NPCs in this game to be much more interesting than 2. 2 has literally no NPCs that I found memorable except for the two guys that fight each other. Don't even remember their names, thats how forgettable they were. Pate or something.
I enjoyed Dark Souls a fuckton.
I liked Dark Souls 2 SotFS.
I loved Bloodborne, once I got over the whole speed difference.
I want to like Dark Souls 3. However the no poise thing steams my broccoli. The FP mechanic is great and far better than the previous casting systems.
>>344467016
>I really like the more fast paced, dodge-oriented combat in 3.
It's not dodge oriented, it's mindless spam oriented.
DaS1 and 2 were actually dodge oriented, since stamina recovered way slower, especially in DaS2, and there were different dodge speeds and i-frames (related to either equipment in DaS1 or equipment+stats in DaS2). Often times after dodging you deliberately didn't attack just because you didn't want to leave yourself open with no stamina for another dodge if the boss decides to go for the quick counter attack. Also unless you were using the lightest weapons, attacks drained a lot more stamina too, so deciding when to go for multiple hit attacks was also a lot riskier.
In DaS3 I can roll 3-4 times in a row and still hit a boss with 2-3 R1 attacks with most regular weapons and roll away after that without any problem. And since 90% of non-boss enemies stagger so easily because of non-existent poise, I don't even need to bother to dodge, just land the first hit and spam R1 till they're dead. It's shitty and dumbed down combat.
>>344467292
>DaS1 Poise fiestaGod i fucking miss poise
>DeS sameshit moves and butcher knife
What part of Objectively don't you get?
>>344466929
I respect your opinion but here's my argument. DeS PvP is so imbalanced. You can go to Latria, and power farm 99 Old Spice and then infinitely spam overpowered spells, at your opponent.If they run just wait. If they charge you, make them run through a poison field. If they get close, cast second chance. There's no counter to that, unless the mage has some kind of ethics about fighting you fairly in an open area. I played a ton of Demon's souls PvP back when it was still alive and kicking.
>>344467619
This guy gets it. At least Bloodborne did some other things to make combat interesting, Dark Souls 3 is just R1 spam.
>>344467016
From your retarded opinion most people wouldn't guess you've had an education lmao
>>344467407
And the only npc i remember from 3 besides greirat(who was more or less thomas with some gimicks) are the ones directly copy pasted from DeS and Das. At least Ds2 had the balls to mix things up slightly.
>>344467407
NPCs in Dark Souls 3 have less dialouge than every other npc in ever other souls game. Even DaS has it beat.
>>344467138
Sounds like somebody just sucks dick at both of those games and blames the game rather than himself for being shit
>>344464436
The bosses are perhaps some of the best in the series and have stellar tracks accompanying them but bar two they're not very difficult. They're what people will remember most about the game. The game has a good few problems. The fast combat belongs in blood borne, the locations aren't memorable, it adds very little and relies too heavily on the foundations laid by its predecessors, it's the shortest and most linear of the games, the repair option is pointless, embers are a backstep compared to humanity and NPCs and covenants needed a lot more work.
>>344467619
>I can roll 3-4 times in a row
That still feels like Bloodborne though, but I did like Bloodborne's boss combat better where I could just wail on bosses. Even when I roll 2-3 times in a row (rolls feel faster or larger in this game) many bosses have large aoe attacks that hit me anyway. I love aggressive play and hate that conservative defensive shield shit. If I hit a boss in DS3, and they counter, I usually get full-combo-ed getting hit like 2-3 times or knocked down. You do get a lot of "free" hits for some normal enemies though.
>>344468018
>300 hours in DaS from just dicking around
>700 hours in DaS1 where 500 was probably form PvP alone
Stay buttblasted, i fucking loved DaS1 PvP especially.
But if you think it's better then DaS3s then you are delusional
>>344467407
>Could you maybe explain why you think it's lifeless and boring?
Extremely linear
No mob variety
Only 3 good bosses, 4 bosses are literal gimmick bosses (6 if we include parrying)
Only 4 bosses in this game are not boring humanoids with big weapons
References are shoehorned "Hey remember that one fight?"
NPCs are lifeless and offer nothing, they have no interesting dialogue after the first set and will repeat things from their first interaction even though you progressed their chain already. I denied Greirat his trip to Lothic and talked to him again and he just says "No, no, you can keep the ring" What the fuck? Also what this guy says: >>344468012
Some quests don't make sense and just seem forced. Orbeck suffers from this too, oh thanks for the scrolls and talking to me, gonna go suicide in archives now lol! Eygon literally kills himself because Erina is now a firekeeper. None of it makes sense. The only one that is interesting is Siegward.
>>344468552
*toggleescapes*
*tumblebuffs weapon*
*lag stabs you*
*giantmom*
*greatclub hornet ring swap skill*
*uses humanity*
fun times, love.
>>344467016
3's combat was so mindless and unpunishing compared to the first 3 souls games i felt like it was playing a casual version of Bloodborne.
>>344467619
I judge the games primarily by their bosses. Sorry, I don't really care for the normal enemies. Sword arts with L2 looks really cool and stylish. Feels more anime-like than the previous games.
>>344468552
ds3 pvp is the shittiest of the shit and anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron simple as that
>>344468787
>I judge the games primarily by their bosses.
Hey me too. Dark Souls 3 only has 3 good bosses out of the 19. Which makes it the weakest souls title for me.
>>344468680
>forgetting deadangle parry bait and dark magic
git gud
>>344468897
Sick counter argument
Objective list here
DS=BB>DeS>DS3>DS2
>>344464436
I wouldn't' know OP its the only Souls game I've ever played but I can say it was quite fun and amazing
>>344469102
>objective list
>includes das3 and das 2
nice bait my man
>>344466754
They had the decency to cut broken archstone. You have to play through Izalith.
>>344469282
its better than no content m8
>>344467830
More like I spend most of my time working and don't play Dark Souls very much? I played through each game once and that's all I have had time for. How is it retarded when I'm just giving my opinion on enjoying something? It's fun and the bosses look cooler than the past games. That's all I need. I don't spend time scrutinizing every mechanical detail. I do hate defensive play though. I like to just go aggressive 24/7 and brute force enemies down.
Sorry for having fun with the game I guess?
>>344469232
>lists exclude games that exist
are you some sort of mongoloid?
>>344468787
But you're fighting the normal enemies the majority of the time, you should care about them, how enjoyable they are to fight, their design and lore significance.
>>344469546
What games?
>>344469489
I disagree with that. Demon's Souls felt like it barely had any filler. If they threw in the archstone that probably wouldn't be the case.
>>344467891
They copy from DeS Mephistophles, copied Sieg, copied Maiden in Black, and the crestfallen is copied from every game, but that's just fanservice to me and I welcome it. I love how Maiden Astraea and Garl Vinland are now NPCs. I loved the fact that this new shrine was "copying" the Nexus from DeS. It's good fanservice.
AIso, I remember the pilgrim guy and he felt unique. The limbless dude on the throne was interesting, and there was never a gender -changing character like Airi and Horrace before.
>>344469970
The missing archstone is preferable to a broken level that people dread going through on repeat playthroughs.
>>344468741
You get punished pretty hard when bosses full combo you though. Many bosses have giant AOE attacks that are pretty punishing. Dancer, Gundyr, and Cinder come to mind. I got practically one-shot by some of their full combos or AOE attacks.
>>344470243
>drop down
>run 30 second
>kill boss (takes 45 seconds)
>run 30 more seconds
>kill boss (takes 25 seconds)
>run 30 more seconds
>kill boss (takes 10 seconds)
such a dreadful place
>>344468934
There will be more good ones in the DS3 DLC. 3 out of 19 is still good. Looking at the base game of DS2, there was only 1 good fight which was Smelter Demon. I did not find Pursuer or Lost Sinner fun due to your ability to manipulate outside factors in those fights (balistas and torches). So yeah when the DS3 DLC is added, it will have better bosses than 2.
>>344470616
But Ruin Sentinels was the best boss in DS2 vanilla
>>344468934
Rank all the games then then based on their bosses? You aren't allowed to count DLC since DS3 doesn't have one yet, but it will come out. Then your rankings will be fair.
>>344470749
becoming a reoccurring mob disqualifies it from being a boss
>>344470853
>You aren't allowed to count DLC
fuck off
>>344470749
Um no in my opinion? I didn't find enjoyment in that fight at all. It's a very isolate and destroy fight. It wasn't easy, but certainly not enjoyable.
>>344470057
Fanservice shouldn't be welcomed, there was too much of it in Ds3. It denies the game its own identity. Ludleth occupied a similar role to the Monumental from DeS and while Anri's player dependant gender was new their role was pretty much the cut Oscar content from DS1
>>344471035
Because DS3 DLC isn't out yet, so it's not fair to compare it games with DLC bosses. You do know that DS3 DLC bosses will almost certainly be better than the base game's bosses? At least some of them ALWAYS are better.
>>344470915
So Vordt and Dancer are not a bosses in ds3 because outrider knights are the exact same shit?
>>344471216
youre retarded
>>344471301
No of course they're not the same because they have different models and do not fit into my arbitrary definitions.
>>344470380
It has lazy jumping dragon anuses, one route requires a permanent use of a ring slot, the worst boss in the series which the director apologised for and the area outside said boss isn't even textured.
>>344467719
I see your arguments, but I don't think they hold up very well and I'm having a hard time thinking you played it when it was current. Maybe you did, but I'll tell you why I think that.
Clouds for example were only really good on oki (because you were guaranted a status ailment). Cloud cast speed was too slow to lay down a field... Even if you toggle casted it instantly. Not to mention touching a cloud didn't do shit, you needed to stand in it for a few ticks.
Second Chance (like all defensive miracles) had horrendously slow cast time. In 1-on-1 even with a hard knockdown you were often guaranteed a BS on someone trying to re-buff (and crack their SC), unless they were using Stormruler, which carried serious risks of it's own.
Warding was actually a worse problem because it has spell casting speed, and could easily be rebuffed... But it only lasted 40 seconds and was countered by elemental weapons/NR.
I agree, there were balance issues, sure. But the basics were the best aside from BB. Unlike BB though there was more under the hood and gimmicks. DkS3 has a few good things too (trying to make a sensible combo system for example). I feel spread between the games you have a good PvP game, but none of the games are good.
>>344471131
Well ok but I like fan-service and I don't feel like there's much wrong with being a sappy nostalgia fag every once in a while. The entire game felt like a love-letter to all the past games by combining all the elements of the past games and re-hasing them. The best part of the game for me was finding the Storm Ruler sword and getting amazing nostalgia vibes from Demon's Souls. Yhorm was piss poor easy, but based on these re-used elements, the idea was to give the series a send-off by saying, "here's what we thought were the coolest things from the previous games. Now that DS3 is done, we can finally move on to the next IP, so the series doesn't go the Call of Duty route.
>>344472002
>series doesn't go the Call of Duty route.
they already did do that
>>344464436
[COMBAT]
3>1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2
[STORY]
1>3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2
[VISUALS]
3>1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2
[ATMOSPHERE]
1>3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2
[WEAPON CHOICES]
2>3>1
3>1>2>Demon>BB
You know I'm right, 3 is just superior in every way. Best bosses, best music, best areas to just name a few. It even feels the best mechanically and makes 1 impossible to go back to. I'm sorry that you just have shit taste when it comes to games, but this is /v/.
>>344472002
I kind of think this is a backwards mindset. I understand where you're coming from in that the idea is that DaS3 is a loveletter to everything that came before. The only problem with that is that means the things DaS3 did that were memorable isn't because of DaS3 at all. It's because of the previous games that DaS3 is memorable which speaks bad about DaS3 because DeS and DaS were able to be memorable all on their own. Anor Londo in DaS1 was a landmark transition. Anor Londo in 3 is just "remember that time in DaS1?" Yhorm might have been as easy as sin but it's certainly preferable than wallowing in the past.
And just to make my stand clear, I have nothing against SOME fanservice. Just as long as you can stand on your own without it. A few shout outs are fine as long as you don't spend all your time sucking off your past achievements.
>>344472432
You're trying way too hard.
Heres to hoping DLC makes this game good
my least favorite souls game in its current state
>>344472190
Combat
1>>3=2
""""""""Story""""""""
1>>>>>>>>>>3>=2
Graphics
3>1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2
Atmosphere
1>>>>2>3
Weapon viability
2>1>3
Multiplayer
2>1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3
NG+
2>1>>>>>>3
Orginality
1>>2>>>>>>>>>>>3
>>344472796
Stop
>>344472002
A little goes a long way. I'm not saying nostalgia's bad, I just wish they'd been more subtle about it. A lot of people seem to be saying it's a love letter to the series, but that's more of an excuse for plain laziness. Yhorm was ruined by a throw back. He should have been a hard as nails boss fight that the player can take on normally. Only siegeward should have had access to the stormruler, it would given players more of an incentive to finish his quest. Better yet and siegeward been an entirely different character with no reference to Catalina.
>>344473067
>He should have been a hard as nails boss fight that the player can take on normally.
Noone forces you to use the Storm Ruler.
No boss SHOULD be a hard as nails boss. Dark Souls isn't about DIFFICULTY. I'm tired of you shitters always coming in here and spouting shit like this. You're to blame we got Dark Souls 2.
Fuck off, like seriously.
>>344471881
I played Demon's Souls in Fall 2010, so maybe not current? Maybe you played at a different time, or you played before me right when the game came out. I enjoyed melee and my favorite was BlueBlood Sword. Cursed Dragon-Bone sword with high strength and vitality was fun too, though the hitboxes always felt wonky. I did a ton of PvP with the Old Monk, both as the Archdemon and against him. Against the old monk, the other guy would just bombard the opening with poison or the cloud that breaks your equipment. He would then just spam fire spells and soul arrows. At that point it felt like an endurance test against someone with infinite mana. I know many spells are super slow with cast times, but if you play a guerrilla warfare style, by hiding in choke points, it's hard being a melee fighter. Shrine of storms guys would just hide near choke point entrances and bombard the openings if you came through.
Also, I know the spells cast times are horrendously slow. Firestorm makes the PVE a joke but it's slow cast time (and random pillars) make it bad for pvp. I'm not so sure about second chance. Maybe I wasn't clear. Most mages would cast it before the fight.
>>344473213
>Noone forces you to use the Storm Ruler.
Except that it's a fucking 20 minute fight if you don't use it with 40/40 str/dex and a +10 quality weapon, the fight is entirely designed around using a gimmick weapon to kill it in three hits.
>>344473213
You do twenty damage or there abouts with normal weapons. It's in no way enjoyable trying to take him on that way. Yhorm was hyped from the very first trailer, he'd be a giant boss done correctly, a chance to fix DS2's giant lord fight. A challenging, but fair fight is all I wanted.
>>344473649
>Except that it's a fucking 20 minute fight if you don't use it with 40/40 str/dex and a +10 quality weapon, the fight is entirely designed around using a gimmick weapon to kill it in three hits.
So not only do you claim that the fight would be better without storm ruler, but you don't know how to fight him without storm ruler. It should take you 4-6 minutes without storm ruler. He is designed to get staggered and riposte after 2 hits to the head, which you can hit after he does his 3 hit combo.
You want the game to be harder and yet you don't even understand how the fight works.
Jesus christ.
>>344473786
His head is a weak point you can hit after his 3 hit combo. Posts like these make me understand why noone likes the current souls fanbase. You guys don't even know how to play the games.
>>344473067
>>344472507
>>344472168
Fair enough, I see all of your points, and the game did definitely go a slightly bad route in terms of "creative bankruptcy." As for the PvP comments, the game is very imbalanced now, but knowing how much effort they put into balancing DS2's combat, they will eventually get it right. Who knows DLC may add way more weapon variety like BB.
Perhaps you anons are right as I am what I say I am: a blinded nostalgia fag. Maybe I will notice the game's flaws more once I play it again.
On that note, one new thing I did think felt unique were the weapon arts special attacks.
>>344464436
its the easiest one, best is bloodborne.
iam a long time fan, bought demon souls when it came out..knew nothing about this series..only played kingsfield as a child a lil bit.
it goes like this:
bloodborne > dark souls > demon souls > dark souls 3 > darksouls 2+dlc
>>344473881
No you won't fucking kill him in 4-6 minutes even if you hit him in the head/hands every time. In my playthrough i killed him without storm ruler because i thought it was fucking retarded and if you hit him in the head twice with a profaned greatsword +4 you will only do 180 damage out of 28000hp, that is 310 hits to the head and if you do that every 7 second (you won't) it will take 18 minutes to kill him.
>>344474012
But the majority of players are just going to use stormruler on him. He just has so much wasted potential.
>>344474701
You literally do not understand how the fight goes. You already proved this. Now you're spouting bullshit. The fight was not designed around Storm Ruler the fact that you can stagger and riposte him for BB visceral levels of damage proves this. If anything Storm Ruler feels as a last minute addition for people like you.
>>344474782
If you're complaint is he's too easy, then you can gimp yourself to make it hard. Difficulty is not what this series is about. If you want the fight to be hard you make it hard on your own means, you don't make it hard for everyone.
Yhorm with out Storm Ruler is very challenging and fun. But I can understand why people would get frustrated at it, especially if they lack the patience to wait for Yhorm's slam.
>>344474919
Then please edcuate me oh wise one. maybe you shouuld do video how to beat him under four minutes without storm ruler you fucking faggot.
>>344464551
>Bloodborne
>Mandatory
Not as long as it remains a console exclusive it isn't.
>>344475212
When you stagger him your riposte does 2200 damage. His head has a damage modifier to his attacks, a +7 longsword will hit for 350+ on his head. He has 28,000 health. 2-3 hits is a stagger. (depending on damage) That's 1100~ damage right there. + 2200 from viseral. 28,000/3300. You need 8 Visceral, less if you have a stronger weapon. And less if you hit his legs in between waiting for his ground slam.
Nowhere did I say under 4 minutes, you colossal retard, I said 4-6 minutes. Not only do you not know what you're talking about, apparently you're illiterate as well.
>>344464436
Yes.
>>344475134
I do think the boss fight is too easy, I think the majority of Ds3's bosses are too easy. I know the series isn't about difficulty, I know Miyazaki has stated that in the past. I'm no where near a good level player, I found bosses such as Orenstein & smough, artorius, Kalameet, darklurker and Orphan of Kos extremely difficult all decked out in max gear. I never had to try make them difficult and the sense of relief from beating them was unparalleled. Fighting Yhorm without stormruler doesn't come close to these, it's tedious.
>>344474919
>You literally do not understand how the fight goes
Mother fucker got 28000 hp nigger and massive physical resitance wherever you hit him even if he was to stand still and still take 100% of your damge the fight would still take and assload of time. In comparision nameless king have 11677 hp total and less resistance, Soul of Cinder have 10750hp total and less resistance and twin princeses have 7700 hp total and less resistance.
>>344476415
>>344475949
And yet no evidence to back this bullshit up.
>>344476585
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQLNkC_lXeo
Eat shit.
>>344475956
This proves nothing. If anything, it just raises more questions.
>>344476771
Daaaaaayuummmmm
>>344476771
Yes, gimmicky max crit builds and not the one shot weapon in the room was how the boss was designed. That's the entire fucking point. It's a boss entierly docused around gimmicks.
>>344474919
The developers would not have put stormruler in the boss arena if they didn't intend for players to use it. This is akin to knocking ceaseless discharge off the edge or using the plunging attack on the ancient wyvern. A boss fight that got gimmicks done right was Manus and the pendant.
>>344477115
Ok, stay being retarded anon.
This video literally proves you wrong, but okay. Keep up the shitposting.
>>344477115
LOL, RTSR at Level 1 doesn't do close to the AR at the level you should be when you fight him. Holy shit, you're so fucking retarded. He blew you the fuck out and now you're reaching.
>>344477235
Of course they intended for players to use it, but the fight does not feel like it was designed around it or else it would be required.
>>344477115
Bro, sometimes you gotta know when to retreat. No point in fighting a losing battle. You were wrong, so just drop it.
>>344476771
>>344476585
>you'll never personally make a video and upload it to youtube to personally btfo some random anon on the internet
How can one Anon be so based?
>>344477115
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa
best weapon in the game coming through.
I wish souls stayed niche and none of you faggots started playing it
>Dust
>Settled
Pick one
>>344478791
same
i really enjoyed 15min down times in between invasion/summons
That's right anons, keep talking, the heat you're all generating will light the first flame again, and it might birth the creation of Dark Souls 4 from the searing flames.
>>344477521
But fighting him while choosing not to use it isn't enjoyable too, it's boring compared to past bosses of the series. And as a built up lord of cinder who even received his own statue it's disappointing.
I liked DS2's covenants
Maybe even the best had it not been for SM
>>344479082
Pilgrims of the dark and company of champions were good because of what they offered to offline players. Way of the blue could be maxed out offline.
>>344479034
>isn't enjoyable
This is opinion
Also the anon above proved that it's FASTER to fight him without Storm Ruler, and more exciting. So I can't agree with your "boring" statement.
>>344479308
Wish CoC stayed in the game.
>>344479435
Yes, you're right, it is opinion in the end. I just think he could have been much better and doesn't live up to the other bosses of the series.
>>344479082
>>344479308
rat covenant best covenant
can you even imagine something like that if it was based in Sens?
>>344479768
That be fucking godlike.
Forcing them to port into Sens ground level and you can hunt them down.
>>344472906
Yes of course, he forgot
Rewards
1>2>>>>>>>>>>>>>3
Just finished Bloodborne. If I was going to play only one other Souls game, which should it be?
>>344478791
You can blame PCfats for ruining it for everyone with their insufferable and forced memes.
>>344480219
Ds1.
>>344480219
Dark Souls 1
>>344480219
Dark Souls or Demon's Souls.
>>344480219
Slashy Souls
>>344476771
Fucking dope
>>344464436
DaS - lore and pve was good but the pvp was lacking stability
DaS2 - the complete opposite. pve was really god easy but the pvp was great. you can't deny that.
DaS3 - pve is cool fast-paced like with monsters and new creatures , but the fact that the map wasn't interconnected was a little Bummer. for me what really amazed me in the first DaS was that the map was interconnected not to mention the whole dark atmosphere that game had..
in terms of pvp DaS3.. it just came back to the sluggish pvp it had in the first game .. really makes me wonder why they struggle so much combining those 2 worlds together , pvp+pve.
>>344480907
While I agree with your point, Soul Memory seems to be the one flaw in DS2 pvp according to many.
Creativity
1>2>>>>>>>>>>>>>3
Build variety
2>1>>>3
Boss fights
1>>>2>3
Areas
1>2>3
geee I wonder which one is the worst in the series!
>>344481259
Soul memory is pretty shit since it doesn't fix anything it set out to do and either makes you constantly rise in level tiers untill everyone is using everything or make you sacrifice a ring slot. However faggots claiming that is makes PvP unusable are full shit. The PvP in DS1 is for the most part really got though very meta reliant and not as varied as DS2 while the PvP in DS3 is complete trash with players defensive abilities being so many tiers above their offensive abilities that is not even funny and on top of that you can pretty much only invade worlds with 3+ phantoms friendly to the host.
>>344464436
ha
haha
no
bloodborne is the best imo, the setting is better in my eyes and the ost is flat out better, the zones look nicer and it has the most consistently great bosses of any souls game however i understand if someone with a different opinion prefers dark souls 1
dark souls 2 had good pvp but not much else at all
dark souls 3 was sub par in every way
a disappointing souls game
they really fucked it with the obligatory swamp level
it sucked
DeS i haven't played
>>344481504
are you stupid
>DS2 posters
Stop giving them (You)s.
>>344464436
>the best Souls game
>dksIII
>dust settled
>no DLC
>>344464551
Definitely. 2 and 3 should have been new ips.
Best Sound Track:
Dark Souls 1: Lord of Cinder
Dark Souls 2: Sir Alonne
Dark Souls 3: Main Theme
Best Boss:
Dark Souls 1: Artorias
Dark Souls 2: Fume Knight
Dark Souls 3: Soul of Cinder
Best Area:
Dark Souls 1: Anor Lando
Dark Souls 2: Shulva, Sanctum City
Dark Souls 3: Irithyll
Best NPC:
Dark Souls 1: Solaire of Astora
Dark Souls 2: uhhh... the talking cat???
Dark Sous 3: Fire Keeper
Best Moment:
Dark Souls 1: Fighting insane Solaire of Astora in Lost Izaleth's cave.
Dark Souls 2: Confronting the queen on your way to see King Vendrick.
Dark Souls 3: Seeing the fallen giant when revisiting Anor Londo :(
id say
BB > DaS1 > DaS2 >DaS3
never played DeS
PvE exclusively: BB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>elsewhocares
>>344482314
Genuinely curious why you think PvE in BB is good? Can you elaborate?
>>344482251
Best Sound Track:
who cares: who cares
who cares 2: who cares
who cares 3: who cares
bloodborne: gehrman the first hunter
Best Boss:
who cares: who cares
who cares 2: who cares
who cares 3: who cares
bloodborne: ludwig the holy blade or lady maria, too many great fights to count
Best Area
who cares: who cares
who cares 2:who cares
who cares 3: who cares
bloodborne: cainhurst castle
Best NPC
s-s-shut up
Best Moment:
aaah
you were at my side alllll along
>>344480907
>pve is cool fast-paced like with monsters and new creatures , but the fact that the map wasn't interconnected was a little Bummer. for me what really amazed me in the first DaS was that the map was interconnected not to mention the whole dark atmosphere that game had..
The map was kind of interconnected in Dark Souls 3. It is just spread out more, unfortunately.
>>344475956
ain't nothin litttle bitch
>>344482251
You forgot to add best phantoms.
1: Solaire of Astora
2: Bradley of the Old Guard
3: Sirris of the Sunless Realms
>tfw currently getting raped by gargoyles and invaders in ds2
>>344482868
Play offline and get Glencour
Oceiros is bullshit, can't beat him.
>344482760
Him and I won't give you a (You)
>>344482945
When he starts to do the ds3 360 degree attack spam with no stamina press the roll button 7 times in a row
>>344482251
>>344482810
Best invader phantoms
Dark Souls 1 - Kirk, Knight of Thorns
Dark Souls 2 - Maldron the Assassin
Dark Souls 3 - Yellowfinger Heysel
>>344482607
the bosses are consistently good
there are few if any bad bosses
there are also more
the combat is better, because while there are less weapons
you are only using 1 weapon at any given time and using a weapon with multiple forms and way more attacks just offers deeper combat
level aesthetic design and theme is just cooler imo
quicksteps are neat
bosses have interesting inspiration instead of just being "sword guy"
take the first two for example
wendigo always spooked me
so seeing the wendigo inspired cleric beast jump out of nowhere made me shit my pants and was great
then father gascoigne
hes mentioned all throughout yarhnam with the little girl and all and finding the little girls dead mother in there and the whole trick with the music box and the arena with the gravestones and stairs that can all be used against the boss in his different phases
just great
absolutely great
best ost of any souls game by far
from ludwig to gehrman to lady maria and the cleric beast
the ost on the bosses is always fucking great
bloodborne has the best ost factually
it was worked on longer than the other games and more money was spent making it
it all worked out just right
i could go on about why i find bloodborne better than any other souls game
however the bell system is shit
>>344483447
I disagree with you on some points, but i don't care for debating or trying to force my opinion on you. I was just curious to understand someones reasoning, thanks for sharing anon!
>>344483389
best phantom in DaS3 is leonhard
his quest was actually really good
>>344480320
>>344478791
It was nice when the game was just Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 1, back in 2011, when the community was still tolerably small. I'm afraid this is what happens to all communities when they become too big. You get generally unpleasant discussions on the forums, and people try to act annoying or get attention for the dumbest of reasons.
>>344483447
I'd take you more seriously if you typed better. Are you typing on a controller? Eating something with one hand? Cat on the keyboard? Shift keys broken? Actually a homestuck character with a typing quirk?
>>344478791
DeS was so nice. I think Solaire becoming a meme was the beginning of the end.
>>344476585
>>344476771
Souls threads can be very amusing.
>>344483685
Fucking this. They used to be hidden gems at that time
>>344482251
Care to include the other games?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZC8-3Rb2yo
>>344483682
>literally nothing: the sidequest
>>344483987
Covenants
>>344483886
At least Miyazaki decided to stop linking the fire when it got too weak.
>>344483987
>12seconds in
>"Things Dark Souls 2 did better"
>"Nothing lol"
>Black empty video for 22 minutes
thats a great video
>>344483980
Never played Demon Souls or Blood Borne. I never owned a PS3 or PS4.
>>344464436
>we will never, ever get Dark Souls: Director's Cut with additional content and the last half patched up to the quality of the first
>>344466534
>Again that was only at the end after all the DLC.
even before the DLC, DaS2 had an insane amount of customization.
>>344482775
yeah but it seems more "linear" where in DaS you just feel like exploring ,i remember myself get raped by thunder dragons when you have no clue how strong they are at the beginning.
>>344483823
watching tv and eating not willing to waste time proving my opinion to virgins on a taiwanese painting board
>>344483886
>>344483850
It's the inevitable downside of popularity. You attract idiots. The community gets big and you almost ensure sequels but the downside is with more fans, come more bad apples. I can't think of one community out there that hasn't succumbed to this when it becomes too inflated. I hate when this happens but we might as well get used to it.
>>344475832
>>Bloodborne
>>Mandatory
>Not as long as it has paid online it isn't.
ftfy
>>344484129
Thats a shame. I play many games on PC, but I don't have any issues with consoles either. Despite their flaws, there's still much to enjoy though the Sony fanboys can be incredibly obnoxious. Those two are great games, though DeS is a little dated. I respect it for introducing so many fantastic elements for its time.
>>344484395
Yeah. It's unfortunate but it's life. I'm an Idort and I've been playing since DeS, I think the BB community was the best it's been since DeS personally, I don't think this has anything to do with Sony or PC and rather just that less people were able to get the game.
BB has godly fan art, great lore and gameplay videos, great discussion etc. This is a huge step up from "sunbros" and similar garbage.
>>344483987
Those Ghey Scots are the only decent Souls YouTubers.
Nobody else does blind LPs with that level of bantz.
>>344464436
Adjusted for 2011, DS1 is better. DS3 improved everything but I don't think I enjoyed it nearly as much, mybe because DS1 was novel to me.
DS3 though, does have the most going for it within the context of having played the other 2.
>Ties in some more lore without forcing it down your throat
>does more to balance the pvp, and continuously gets updated for that albeit it comes at the price of poise
>Boss fights are pretty much all awesome, not quite as difficult as some DS1 fights but they're challenging and fairly satisfying
>It brings back the "I hope I can make it to the next fire even though I wasted my estus and don't know where I'm going" feeling the first one had but the 2nd one heavily lacked
If you played DS3 before ever playing DS1 though, I can understand thinking DS3 is the best one.
>>344482775
>>344484212
Thats where you have to differentiate between level design and world design. DaS and BB do world design way better and their level design is about even. DaS 2 does world design about the same as DaS3. They both feel very linear and spread out too far with minimum verticality unfortunately.
>>344484839
Don't get me wrong. I like consoles. I just have a big steam backlog and I only play 5-10 hours a week. I figure I should go through that and then buy the consoles & games once they are much cheaper.
>>344469232
>>344464890
I don't agree at all, 2 felt like a goddamn chore and before they nerfed Shrine of Amana, it was downright tedious (especially needing to go through it 3 times for the plat, four if you didn't intend to PVP to get certain items.) 3 felt a lot like 1 only a bit better, which isn't saying much because they both tend to go to shit toward the end content wise with areas that feel way too small.
I love that most people here will say it's the worst, but DaS2 SotFS was second best to DaS. Then BB then DaS3 then DeS.
Sorry but Dark Souls is the best. Graphics aren't bad, gameplay is most balanced. The only downside was humanity insta heals.
>>344489294
das2 being bad is just a big fat /v/ meme
>>344489735
>DS2 is bad
>meme
Bait
>>344490454
yes yes, we get it haha anon vee culture and what have you
2 had the best multiplayer, and for all it's problems, this is why I still loved that game.
>344490532
>v-v-vee is wrong! We're the right ones!
No (You)s 4 U
>>344482806
>>344476948
>174 hrs logged in
>HURRRRRRRAAA-DURRRRRRRRRRRRR MEANS NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(you)
>>344489735
The original is terrible. But SotFS made it right.
I'm holding on DaS3 for the same thing. It's fucked now but once it gets its touch up it'll be golden. That's how from works.
DeS into DaS. DaS2 into DaS2 SotFS. DaS3 into whatever makes it the potential most polished. But still awful covenant choices.
>Help; help; help; help more; jolly; invade; invade; invade differentlh
>>344481959
> everyone is using everything
What is wrong with this? What is wrong with variety?
>>344491303
>What is wrong with this? What is wrong with variety?
The problem is that it kills variety, when you can use every weapon and pull of every spell there is no specilaization and it turns into a bland mess.
>>344491245
So I'm guessing you just rank the games based on when they came out?
DS3 is the best, then Bloodborne, then 2, then 1, the Demon's? What is your personal ranking?
>>344491245
2 and 3 are both much worse for me. I like DaS and DeS the most because I hate gank fights and the later games heavily embrace those. 1 v1 is the only PvP fight I enjoy. Fights against multiple color coded players is just not enjoyable for me win or lose.
>>344491303
he means that eventually you'll be fighting fast rolling Master-of-all-Trades Havelmonster fagits.
>>344491245
I wish you are right about DS3 but i feel it's problems go much deeper than DS2. DS2 had an alright base but a pretty crappy world, DS3 on the other hand got a great world but it's combat and balance are all centered around it's bloodbourne combat and can't really be fixed by great dlc without revamping the entire game.
I just finished my first playthrough SotFS the other day, doing NG+ right now. Should I get Dark Souls III now, or should I wait for the DLC to come out?
>>344482251
Best Sound Track:
Demon's Souls: One Who Craves Souls
Dark Souls 1: Lord of Cinder
Dark Souls 2: Sir Alonne
Dark Souls 3: Soul of Cinder
Best Boss:
Demon's Souls: Guess.
Dark Souls 1: Manus
Dark Souls 2: Fume Knight
Dark Souls 3: Soul of Cinder
Best Area:
Demon's Souls: 1-3
Dark Souls 1: Sen's Fortress
Dark Souls 2: Frozen Eleum Loyce
Dark Souls 3: Nothing really sticks out
Best NPC:
Demon's Souls: Sage Freke
Dark Souls 1: Solaire of Astora
Dark Souls 2: F E E B L E
Dark Sous 3: Yuria
Best Moment:
Demon's Souls: False King Allant's cutscene
Dark Souls 1: Gwyn's first jump at you
Dark Souls 2: Discovering Vendrick
Dark Souls 3: Phase 2 of Soul of Cinder
>>344492369
wait for dlc/winter sales
its not worth getting at full price
>>344476771
>literally uploading a video to prove an anon wrong
thats dedication
Bloodborne is the best of the spiritual franchise.
But as for Dark Souls itself, I don't know.
Dark 3 certainly has more polish than Dark Souls, but I feel like Dark Souls was a more original experience. I think that's always the case with sequels, that the first feels more fresh.
>>344492415
>wait for dlc/winter sales
>its not worth getting at full price
Can get it for $38 right now. Too high still?
>>344492657
eh, id try to go for $30 but if thats the best you can get go for it
>>344464890
Dark 2 was fanfiction while Dark 3 was a sequel.
That's my stance on the series. Dark 3 is the actual Dark Souls 2.
>>344491698
Well, from had an idea and pushed it out with DeS. Then polished it with DaS. Then everything after that was a sequel. DaS2 SotFS captured the atmosphere, mystery, immersion. It changed combat in some enjoyable ways. But the overall game wasn't as memorable and lacked visually and experientially. DaS3 tried to polish the look, world and memorability. But it fell short on a lot if levels. Just like DaS2 before going into Scholar.
>>344492014
The PvP wasn't all out ganking in SotFS though. And it wasn't as prominent as it is in DaS3 and was more subtle like in DaS. Which is how it should be. They let their good combat get to their heads and fucked it up in DaS3. But it's not beyond repair yet.
>>344492190
Really if they add proper poise it'll be fantastic. Being an armored Dex build cannot compete against hyper armor and it lopsides the game since it's easy enough to avoid parry and backstab as a heavy. Plus all heavy ganks are pretty much unbeatable as a dex unless you've got 5 star connection.
>>344494618
How would say Bloodborne falls on your list? Despite the bashing it gets for bad pvp and the limited builds, I just like being bale to get my 1 v 1s, with zero gank bullshit aside. It also has more originality than DaS3 and by comparison can stand on its own as a unique game.
